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Romulus Activus
Amarr
Tokos Securities
M E T H O D
Posted - 2010.03.08 07:42:00 - [1]
 

Why does Mining barge need to be at 5 for a covetor, yet the Hulk an exhumer only needs to be at 4? Either covetor should be lowered to 4 or Hulk should require Exhumers lvl 5. Hulk is a t2 and it should be equivalent skill wise.

Asheru
Caldari
The Shadow Plague
Gentlemen's Agreement
Posted - 2010.03.08 08:40:00 - [2]
 

The Exhumers skill is the T2 skill. That's like saying you should have to train Heavy Assault Ships to 5 before you can pilot a Vagabond.

SokoleOko
Minmatar
Death Wish.
Posted - 2010.03.08 08:49:00 - [3]
 

You meant "mining barge" skill? Hulk need "exhumers III", btw.

Yes, this is stupid. If you can fly Covetor, then you're less than 1 day away from Hulk - no point of flying Covetor then. IMHO - Covetor shouldn't need Mining Barge V.

AFAIR there's NO T1 ship (capitals excluded) that need basic skill on V. You can have, say, racial BS on III and you can fly even Tier 3 BS.

darius mclever
Posted - 2010.03.08 10:49:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: SokoleOko
You meant "mining barge" skill? Hulk need "exhumers III", btw.

Yes, this is stupid. If you can fly Covetor, then you're less than 1 day away from Hulk - no point of flying Covetor then. IMHO - Covetor shouldn't need Mining Barge V.

AFAIR there's NO T1 ship (capitals excluded) that need basic skill on V. You can have, say, racial BS on III and you can fly even Tier 3 BS.


Covetor is used alot in lowsec/0.0 mining. so its requirements still make sense.

HeliosGal
Caldari
Posted - 2010.03.08 11:12:00 - [5]
 

next up tech 3 barges which might have special subsystems

i could see related to cargo, mining specialisation ships ie veld focus etc

Resistances, wormhole mining bonuses

Callista Sincera
Amarr
Hedion University
Posted - 2010.03.08 12:34:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: darius mclever
Covetor is used alot in lowsec/0.0 mining. so its requirements still make sense.


I think the point was, that it's only a day's worth of training from a corvetor to a hulk. Also, the corvetor has more uses than that! You can fly it during a hulkageddon and not care if it get's blown up (thank's to insurance).

Dantes Revenge
Caldari
Posted - 2010.03.08 14:28:00 - [7]
 

I think the original idea of making a covetor a level 5 skill was due to macro miners. It meant a longer training time before players could use the biggest of the barges, also more money lost if they got banned.

Jerid Verges
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2010.03.08 15:07:00 - [8]
 

I agree. The training time to reach Covetor (not Hulk) should be lowered. As well as with the Procurer. It makes their use incredibly limited in scope.

The only reason Covetors are used is because they're not as expensive or costly to lose as Hulks.

Illrean
Posted - 2010.03.08 18:06:00 - [9]
 

All three of the mining barges are very general. They are all general ore/ice mining ships. The T2 Exhumers are all specialized, the Skiff is for mining Mercoxit, the Mackinaw is for mining Ice and the Hulk is specific to mining ore. That specialization is why the Exhumers come at ranks 1 2 and 3 as opposed to 1 3 and 5.

Veliria
Posted - 2010.03.08 19:21:00 - [10]
 

Astrogeology should go to IV instead, that way you keep the current 1-3-5 skill reqs for the barges, and it also has the upside of benefiting anyone who already got Astrogeology to V for mining at an earlier point (which benefits all mining, not just barges).

Illectroculus Defined
No Bull Ships
Posted - 2010.03.09 00:44:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: SokoleOko

AFAIR there's NO T1 ship (capitals excluded) that need basic skill on V. You can have, say, racial BS on III and you can fly even Tier 3 BS.


Iteron Mk V need gallente Industrial V

This suggestion to reduce the skills for Covetor to Astrogeology V & Mining Barge IV have been going around forever, there were a bunch of pre-reqs reduced in Dominion, but this was never touched.

Jerid Verges
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2010.03.09 02:12:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Illrean
All three of the mining barges are very general. They are all general ore/ice mining ships. The T2 Exhumers are all specialized, the Skiff is for mining Mercoxit, the Mackinaw is for mining Ice and the Hulk is specific to mining ore. That specialization is why the Exhumers come at ranks 1 2 and 3 as opposed to 1 3 and 5.


First of all. No. The Hulk is not a 'Specialized' ship. That is a load of crap. It is designed as a general purpose mining vessel that is better then the Covetor. If it were specialized then the Covetor would be able to outmine it on general asteroids.

Second of all. If these ships are so specialized it should take LONGER not shorter. To train for them. Since if they are specialized they super exceed in a given field.

Retriever. Take 9 days to train for. Covetor. Take 40 days to train for. Hulk. Take 4 Days to train for.

It makes 0 sense. It takes impossibly long to get to the Covetor but Hulk is right around the corner.


 

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