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Nobani
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.03.11 17:00:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: Red Raider
Originally by: StinkEye McNuttz
Wow, looks like I really hit a nerve with this one. Thanks so much for the thoughtful, mature responses. It has been most helpful!


Lets see...you want something that means you don't even have to login but once a month to move your character forward and dismiss any and all intelligent responses as irrelevant and expect people to give a damn about keeping your stupid idea civil?

Goodluck with that bud.

Go play something else where you actually have to apply yourself to advance and then come back and tell us that the skill que sucks.


SPS

Czert ElPrezidente
Caldari
Posted - 2010.03.11 17:04:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: sg3s
You do NOT get to complain about the queue after CCP has finally added one for training skills after MUCH persistence.

That is all, now please **** off.


Jup, dont whine about using petrolejum lamps for lighting insead of torches, you are not mature for light bulps. ugh

Czert ElPrezidente
Caldari
Posted - 2010.03.11 17:09:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Nobani
7 day training queues will destroy the game, but a frigate which is better than any other frigate in almost every category is fine? Nice to know. YARRRR!!


SIGNED.

Torothanax
Posted - 2010.03.11 17:59:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Ragedman
Just be happy the que is there. Any veteran can tell you that they got up at some obscene hour to start the next skills.
Exactly this right here ----^

Try playing without the queue sometime. It used to be the only time you trained short skills was when you were online to monitor them, and the rest of the time you had a long skill going. Didn't wanna get up at 2 am to change a skill? Find a 3 day skill to train for 12 hours. If you didn't want to miss training time you had to figure out how to juggle and jockey your skills.

A thirty day skill queue is a character farmer's wet dream. Seriously, you can't figure out how to set your skills up to fit your schedule? Training is easy mode since they added the queue.

GIGAR
Caldari
Posted - 2010.03.11 18:38:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Czert ElPrezidente

mayby someone CANT log every 2 day as 99% of others, and you write EXACLY - 99% OF OTHERS - but what to do IF YOU are in that 1% ? And if you weekend player you STILL at bootom end compared to every day players. Not in skills (for this ignoring different training times for skilds depending on atributes). You are bootom line in ISK + ships, modules (which can count as skills too - relative speking).
And Im completlůy lost at your last line. Im musl select skills, run missions, produce stuff..etc - here is no auto from CCP :))).

1) Find another MMO
2) Avoid playing on other days than weekends
3) Report back how much progress you get in those days you don't play
4) Find a Logic skillbook, train it to lvl5, and the use 24 hours to philosophize over what just happened
5) Profit!

Mike C
Caldari
MicroFunks
Posted - 2010.03.11 19:03:00 - [36]
 

Edited by: Mike C on 11/03/2010 19:03:58
Originally by: Czert ElPrezidente
Originally by: Red Raider

Tough ****! Log in more and solve the problem like 99% of the player based does. I am sure you WANT an awful lot, want a lot of ISK, want a lot of cool ships, want to lord over Jita, etc...but guess what EVERYTHING takes effort including skill training. Even stranger is that EVE has a learning system for skills that doesn't require you to actually play the game specifically so casual players like yourself don't end up at the bottom of the rubbish pile for being a weekend warrior and you are still here *****ing about it. Why don't you just ask for all the skills to be given to you since you want them all without putting forth any effort at all to get them despite it taking 2 minutes of your time to do so rather than hours on end like any other MMORPG.

God this idea is stupid. Mad

WAAAHHHH!!! CCP I WANT YOU TO HOLD MY HAND AND DO EVERYTHING FOR ME!!! Embarassed


mayby someone CANT log every 2 day as 99% of others, and you write EXACLY - 99% OF OTHERS - but what to do IF YOU are in that 1% ? And if you weekend player you STILL at bootom end compared to every day players. Not in skills (for this ignoring different training times for skilds depending on atributes). You are bootom line in ISK + ships, modules (which can count as skills too - relative speking).
And Im completlůy lost at your last line. Im musl select skills, run missions, produce stuff..etc - here is no auto from CCP :))).


Then you are ****ed. This is the way of life, deal with it.

EDIT: Also if you have an iPhone/G1/droid or any newish smartphone you can use VNC to control your PC which has eve up.

Red Raider
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2010.03.11 20:30:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Czert ElPrezidente
Originally by: sg3s
You do NOT get to complain about the queue after CCP has finally added one for training skills after MUCH persistence.

That is all, now please **** off.


Jup, dont whine about using petrolejum lamps for lighting insead of torches, you are not mature for light bulps. ugh


We have already covered why it isn't an option. There is still some effort required just not nearly as much as other mmo's require which is really nice. The problem is extending the training que opens up character farming which is already big business for those who are throwing real life money at their problems in eve. Something CCP was against until PLEX and that is only meant to deter gold sellers and all the pitfalls associated with them.

If you can't log on, sorry, but the rest of the community shouldn't suffer because you can't take 2 minutes out of your day or train long skills in the interim like I spent 5 years doing.

ChrisIsherwood
Posted - 2010.03.12 03:09:00 - [38]
 

During one of the fanfest presentations, A CCP employee said they were evaluating allowing phone/web access to skill queues. He said something about personally wanting to be able to do it while traveling. They did not commit to anything, but clearly CCP understands this is an issue and already mentioned one solution they are investigating. I am not getting my hopes up for this release, but you never know what will be in Cosmo/new Eden/Spacebook/CBA. When it does happen, the tears will flow.


If CCP truly wanted to discourage all the character farmers from giving them $15 every month while causing little lag and requiring fewer network resources, they would not periodically run PowerOf2 promotions.

Trimutius III
Avalon Guards
Gypsy Band
Posted - 2010.03.12 03:22:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: StinkEye McNuttz
Wow, looks like I really hit a nerve with this one. Thanks so much for the thoughtful, mature responses. It has been most helpful!

You should say thank you that queue is there, imagine how it was befor March 2009, and people played without queue at all. Login once a day in evening for 1-2 minutes it won't hurt. CCP said already that they don't want to benefit offline players anyhow that's why they don't want to make longer queue...

Misanthra
Posted - 2010.03.12 06:54:00 - [40]
 

Don't worry past a certain point...you won't miss not having this feature. All my toons...I consider a 2 day train to be be fast as hell at this point as I look at 10+day trains as being the norm lol.


Got time to write an e-mail, get your daily dose of "interesting" video (take that as you may, could be youtube, could something else lol),etc ya got got time to log into eve imo (alt tab is your friend lol).


If in a corp...ccp giving you a freebie "hey I am alive" for your leadership (well ones that don't watch participation closely) . If not in a corp, turn a bad into a good. Some of my killer market/contract finds...were a screw it I am here to load a skill, lets add a minute or 2 for market/contract look overs.

Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
Posted - 2010.03.12 09:31:00 - [41]
 

Quote:
Wow, looks like I really hit a nerve with this one. Thanks so much for the thoughtful, mature responses. It has been most helpful!

Its not really that you have touched a nerve, its just that this is an oftem posted idea/whine!

I dont think I need explain why we have a queue and what life was like before it (other posts in this thread cover all that).

Sorry if you feel that people are attacking you over this but your 1 week queue is a character farmers dream and hence, is not wanted in Eve by the majority of regular players.

To the person who posted saying "but what if you are the 1% who need a long queue...." Do you really think you are so special that the entire game be changed to suit you?

Terd Furguson
Posted - 2010.03.14 17:48:00 - [42]
 

Edited by: Terd Furguson on 14/03/2010 17:59:44
Edited by: Terd Furguson on 14/03/2010 17:51:02
Very HappySo I'm guessing that a feature allowing us to gather ore while AFK similar to the way we gain SP is out of the question?
ROFLMAO seriously, can't you silly f***ers tell when you're being had?!?!?

Juliet1234
Posted - 2010.03.16 02:56:00 - [43]
 

Obvious troll is obvious. It takes less than a minute to log in, set a skill and log off. If you don't have time for that then you obviously don't have time to play this game. In fact the amount of time you have spent *****ing about it on the forums you could have set your skills 1000x over so obviously you do have time.

Czert ElPrezidente
Caldari
Posted - 2010.03.17 17:39:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: GIGAR

1) Find another MMO
2) Avoid playing on other days than weekends
3) Report back how much progress you get in those days you don't play
4) Find a Logic skillbook, train it to lvl5, and the use 24 hours to philosophize over what just happened
5) Profit!


2. something like WOW :))))). Realy - here are two types of MMO - one in which you gain XP only when acive play (like wow), but in these games you have set maximum lvl of xp which you can have (and ask yourself - why the implement it :) ). And second in which you gains exps even if you off-line. But eve is onlyest game which have implemented 24h limit (now :) ). In others you have no limit in time or easy limit on them.

3. I did play others mmo - and I say - for on-line onlyes I get more overal improvment in these types, than in eve :) (because o design).

Czert ElPrezidente
Caldari
Posted - 2010.03.17 17:45:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: Red Raider

We have already covered why it isn't an option. The problem is extending the training que opens up character farming which is already big business for those who are throwing real life money at their problems in eve.


Yes, character farming - but hey, i was never spammed/offered any farmed character for my whole time in eve. In which place farmed characters make problem other than in character selling bazar ?

Czert ElPrezidente
Caldari
Posted - 2010.03.17 17:56:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Jint Hikaru

To the person who posted saying "but what if you are the 1% who need a long queue...." Do you really think you are so special that the entire game be changed to suit you?


No, I just paying customer and I think this gives me ceratin power :))).

And as writen earlier - I never noticed any problem at any place with flooding of character farmers in eve (after implemenattion of current que). All of you stating that chracter farming is problem NOW, but no one told me in exacly which PLACE is it . (local chat, cetŕtain systems, forums ...etc).

Cassidy Solo
Posted - 2010.03.17 18:37:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: StinkEye McNuttz
I am basically a weekend warrior. Setting up training can be a real pain due to the 24hr limitations. Would you PLEASE consider broadening the training que to allow as much as 30 days worth of skills to be loaded at one time? I understand the shorter que encourages folks to play every day. But for some of us more "mature" (OLD) gamers, who work 12 hour days 6 and 7 days a week, that just isnt possible. As a result, we often miss out on valuable training time. I'm certain I'm not the only one facing this problem. Your kind consideration of this matter would be HUGELY appreciated!



The implication here is that kids don't mind the 24 hour limit, but that adults need more. Coming from the guy named StinkEye McNuttz, I have to question the "maturity" of the OP. Contrary to the implied dynamic, adults are generally able to prioritize, and manage their time more efficiently than kids, allowing them that 2 minute login to set their skills.

Originally by: Czert ElPrezidente
Originally by: Jint Hikaru

To the person who posted saying "but what if you are the 1% who need a long queue...." Do you really think you are so special that the entire game be changed to suit you?


No, I just paying customer and I think this gives me ceratin power :))).

And as writen earlier - I never noticed any problem at any place with flooding of character farmers in eve (after implemenattion of current que). All of you stating that chracter farming is problem NOW, but no one told me in exacly which PLACE is it . (local chat, cetŕtain systems, forums ...etc).


You see a lot of ISK spammers in local, though. A lot of the ISK websites out there also sell characters. Also, people who are looking to buy characters would simply need to type "buy EVE characters" in Google, or any other search engine, and they would get thousands of hits. People looking to "throw money at their EVE problems", as someone else put it, would know enough to do this. It's the same way you find ways of getting characters and gold in other games.

And while, yes, as a paying customer, you do have certain rights, the right to have the game catered to you, at the detriment of the overall community is not one of them. The majority of legitimate subscribers do not want to see this implemented. If you have a vote due to being a paying customer, how many votes do I have with seven accounts, four of which I've been paying since 2006 and earlier?

Originally by: Czert ElPrezidente
Originally by: GIGAR

1) Find another MMO
2) Avoid playing on other days than weekends
3) Report back how much progress you get in those days you don't play
4) Find a Logic skillbook, train it to lvl5, and the use 24 hours to philosophize over what just happened
5) Profit!


2. something like WOW :))))). Realy - here are two types of MMO - one in which you gain XP only when acive play (like wow), but in these games you have set maximum lvl of xp which you can have (and ask yourself - why the implement it :) ). And second in which you gains exps even if you off-line. But eve is onlyest game which have implemented 24h limit (now :) ). In others you have no limit in time or easy limit on them.

3. I did play others mmo - and I say - for on-line onlyes I get more overal improvment in these types, than in eve :) (because o design).


Which other games have you played that have advancement systems similar to EVE? Can you please stick with those games, as you have already said that you have better improvement? Honestly, it's people like you that I don't like, and I really wouldn't shed a tear if you went and found a game more to your liking and one that suits your "special" needs. By that, ofcourse, I mean your login needs, I'm not implying anything about your mental health.

Trimutius III
Avalon Guards
Gypsy Band
Posted - 2010.03.18 00:03:00 - [48]
 

Edited by: Trimutius III on 18/03/2010 00:05:36
Originally by: Czert ElPrezidente


No, I just paying customer and I think this gives me ceratin power :))).



As it appears. CCP much more interested in playing customers rather then simply paying. They sometimes say their opinion that player who play more have more benefits (Like they can afford buying PLEXes (playing for free) and they can train skills more effectively) CCP intends to benefit players who actually play. CCP somewhy really interested in actually activity, so all of players pay same subscription (PLEX = 17$ for CCP so no problem there) but somebody who not only pay subscription but also plays a lot have some benefits and CCP give them that benefits deliberately. For example their opinion in dev blog about queue:

http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=621

Quote:
While itīs cool that you can advance your character when you are offline, we did worry that if we introduced a skill queue some players might just set a queue for a year and become less active in EVE. Thatīs not what a massively multiplayer ONLINE game is about. EVE is a social game and we want you exposed to other players so you can start making legends out of you or corporation and strive for domination. A long abstinence from EVE would ruin this for us.



So live with it. They don't like offliners...

Czert ElPrezidente
Caldari
Posted - 2010.03.18 17:47:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: Cassidy Solo

You see a lot of ISK spammers in local, though. A lot of the ISK websites out there also sell characters. Also, people who are looking to buy characters would simply need to type "buy EVE characters" in Google, or any other search engine, and they would get thousands of hits. People looking to "throw money at their EVE problems", as someone else put it, would know enough to do this. It's the same way you find ways of getting characters and gold in other games.


Since I regulary block aby ISK seller, I dont know about farmed characters here :). For googling them - CCp can make official bazar with lots of filters (like price, toptal SP,..etc) which will make managing loads of chars easier. And if current stage is mess, how can it get worse ?

Originally by: Cassidy Solo

And while, yes, as a paying customer, you do have certain rights, the right to have the game catered to you, at the detriment of the overall community is not one of them. The majority of legitimate subscribers do not want to see this implemented. If you have a vote due to being a paying customer, how many votes do I have with seven accounts, four of which I've been paying since 2006 and earlier?



problem with longer que is very simple - older players want to stay at as it is, but younger to prolong it (as reaparing of this thread in many forms confrim). Ideal solution will be voting from CCP for yes/no with additional infromation of char. age linked to vote.
Originally by: Cassidy Solo

Which other games have you played that have advancement systems similar to EVE? Can you please stick with those games, as you have already said that you have better improvement? Honestly, it's people like you that I don't like, and I really wouldn't shed a tear if you went and found a game more to your liking and one that suits your "special" needs. By that, ofcourse, I mean your login needs, I'm not implying anything about your mental health.


I think you missunderstment me here, I didnt write/mean, that they are better in GENERAL/overall terms, but in terms of training :)

Czert ElPrezidente
Caldari
Posted - 2010.03.18 18:04:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: Trimutius III

While itīs cool that you can advance your character when you are offline, we did worry that if we introduced a skill queue some players might just set a queue for a year and become less active in EVE. Thatīs not what a massively multiplayer ONLINE game is about. EVE is a social game and we want you exposed to other players so you can start making legends out of you or corporation and strive for domination. A long abstinence from EVE would ruin this for us.


Maby I ******ed but I dont get it. If you are weekend player your corp will never grow to size of every days player, never become big player and never ruin game for others if you will get out. Having longer que didnt add/remove your time for PLAYNG eve,. only make managing of char easier.
For every day player it will make no changes - they can manage que without pronlem. And they will not cut off 18 WH operations (3 per day) because they can setup que for 6 days more.
And for statistical resons it will be VERY interesing if average active playing time per active char grow up or ged down after introducing que. (To confrim that introducing of que make players geting break from game or denny it).

Straight Chillen
Gallente
Solar Wind
Posted - 2010.03.18 18:15:00 - [51]
 

Czert you should seriously refrain from posting ever again.

Changing the game to accommodate the smallest minority of players does not make for good game design. If you can't assed to log in and que your skills, you should start training your skills to co-inside with when you have time to play.

You are also foolish if you dont believe this would be a character farmers wet dream. Character farmers dont go around spamming their sales in random systems, They do their sales right here on this very forum. Character farmers dont do it to get rich in game, they do it to RMT the ISK they make.

I'm sorry that your too busy in life to log in for a minute and add a skill every few days, that you have no intention of training longer skills that would remedy your issue, That you think the game should be redesigned to suit your own personal needs, and that you have no idea how character farmers work and why they do it. You should consider finding a game that you can better enjoy at your leisure, as judging by your comments and proposals, it’s not Eve.

Ask anyone who has played the game since before they introduced the skill queue, and they will tell you it is more than sufficient.

Misanthra
Posted - 2010.03.18 23:12:00 - [52]
 

What's really funny is its the people too busy to login for 2 minutes to put skillz in find time to come here and write this topic over and over again. Found time to come here somehow lol.


Eve lets you train without grind, be thankful. If time that limited, you'd never get anyway where else in most other games lol. CCP's caveat is you have to log in at least every 2-3 days for skills less than 4 (we'll assume a skill loaded up from 1 to 3/4 is a 3 day rotation at least). Very fair tradeoff to not have to mob it for 40 hours a week to level up.



Mimiru Minahiro
Posted - 2010.03.18 23:20:00 - [53]
 

Was going to originally give this 2/10


But after two pages of troll goodness, I have to grudgingly give it 6/10.

n1


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