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Master SpaceNinja
Caldari
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.03.02 06:55:00 - [91]
 

Originally by: Airborne Ninja
get out


No

Suitonia
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2010.03.02 08:55:00 - [92]
 

:frogout:

Dr Stroomb
Amarr
moonshine ventures
Posted - 2010.03.02 09:42:00 - [93]
 

Let me summarise what is being said here.

SE and Coven are attacking sys-k because sys-k is made up of carebears and SE/Coven are pvpers. Pvpers like action and hate carebearing so this puts them on a path of collision.

What I never managed to understand is the following: how do pvpers fund their activities? I doubt it's only through loot/salvage of the wrecks. Someone, please, illuminate me.

As I understand it, a pvper who looks down on, and snobs carebears definitely has a carebear alt (or many alts) himself. Or is himself the leader of an alliance or CEO who makes other players' lives miserable by pushing them away from what they like to do most. I bet if you let your members alone, without any harassing to join fleet, very few will join, which tells loads. I'm saying this to all.

(Dudes, make sure you select the right pvp alt to reply to this - there's a character selection field some line further down)

Suitonia
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2010.03.02 09:47:00 - [94]
 

Miners/Industrialists/Ratters are not necessarily carebears, a carebear is someone who whines and complains about PvPers. The term has lost a lot of meaning though.

Personally I make all my isk trading.

OrDeR
Caldari
Muppet Factory
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2010.03.02 09:59:00 - [95]
 

Originally by: Dr Stroomb
Let me summarise what is being said here.

SE and Coven are attacking sys-k because sys-k is made up of carebears and SE/Coven are pvpers. Pvpers like action and hate carebearing so this puts them on a path of collision.

What I never managed to understand is the following: how do pvpers fund their activities? I doubt it's only through loot/salvage of the wrecks. Someone, please, illuminate me.

As I understand it, a pvper who looks down on, and snobs carebears definitely has a carebear alt (or many alts) himself. Or is himself the leader of an alliance or CEO who makes other players' lives miserable by pushing them away from what they like to do most. I bet if you let your members alone, without any harassing to join fleet, very few will join, which tells loads. I'm saying this to all.

(Dudes, make sure you select the right pvp alt to reply to this - there's a character selection field some line further down)


Real pvpers have spies and steal isk. Let me know if you find any Real ones, I need some pointers.. I have illuminated you.

Dr Stroomb
Amarr
moonshine ventures
Posted - 2010.03.02 10:07:00 - [96]
 

Originally by: OrDeR
Originally by: Dr Stroomb
Let me summarise what is being said here.

SE and Coven are attacking sys-k because sys-k is made up of carebears and SE/Coven are pvpers. Pvpers like action and hate carebearing so this puts them on a path of collision.

What I never managed to understand is the following: how do pvpers fund their activities? I doubt it's only through loot/salvage of the wrecks. Someone, please, illuminate me.

As I understand it, a pvper who looks down on, and snobs carebears definitely has a carebear alt (or many alts) himself. Or is himself the leader of an alliance or CEO who makes other players' lives miserable by pushing them away from what they like to do most. I bet if you let your members alone, without any harassing to join fleet, very few will join, which tells loads. I'm saying this to all.

(Dudes, make sure you select the right pvp alt to reply to this - there's a character selection field some line further down)


Real pvpers have spies and steal isk. Let me know if you find any Real ones, I need some pointers.. I have illuminated you.


But you cannot steal forever, can you?? You soon get a reputation. Even if you keep making new alts, it's not easy to get access to wallets, especially with young alts.

VCBee 2fast2furious
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2010.03.02 10:30:00 - [97]
 

Originally by: Dr Stroomb
Let me summarise what is being said here.

SE and Coven are attacking sys-k because sys-k is made up of carebears and SE/Coven are pvpers.


No, SE/C0VEN are attacking because SYS-K, who owe their current position to the long-standing support of SE, failed to show a united front when IT attacked Paragon Soul last week, and gave tacit support to IT's invasion.

That sort of **** is always going to break up friendships.

Suitonia
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2010.03.02 10:32:00 - [98]
 

OrDeR is a ~ReAl~ PvPeR, and not just a FOTM chaser, you can tell because in the past 2 years he has been in the following well respected and non-FOTM alliances.

IAC, KIA, PuPPeT MaSTeRs, Cult of War, Minor Threat, Zenith Affinity, White Noise, Triumvirate.

OrDeR
Caldari
Muppet Factory
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2010.03.02 10:33:00 - [99]
 

Originally by: Dr Stroomb
Originally by: OrDeR
Originally by: Dr Stroomb
Let me summarise what is being said here.

SE and Coven are attacking sys-k because sys-k is made up of carebears and SE/Coven are pvpers. Pvpers like action and hate carebearing so this puts them on a path of collision.

What I never managed to understand is the following: how do pvpers fund their activities? I doubt it's only through loot/salvage of the wrecks. Someone, please, illuminate me.

As I understand it, a pvper who looks down on, and snobs carebears definitely has a carebear alt (or many alts) himself. Or is himself the leader of an alliance or CEO who makes other players' lives miserable by pushing them away from what they like to do most. I bet if you let your members alone, without any harassing to join fleet, very few will join, which tells loads. I'm saying this to all.

(Dudes, make sure you select the right pvp alt to reply to this - there's a character selection field some line further down)


Real pvpers have spies and steal isk. Let me know if you find any Real ones, I need some pointers.. I have illuminated you.


But you cannot steal forever, can you?? You soon get a reputation. Even if you keep making new alts, it's not easy to get access to wallets, especially with young alts.


Yeah you can. Here's a simple scam:

Buy a two chars with 30mil sp each go through there corp history and apply to them corps in the history. While the corp members think you are the old owner you slowly get access to what you need. Once you have accomplished your goal sell the chars and buy new ones.

Its all about talking sh*t, if you can talk sh*t you can get access to anything. Make sure to scam enough to cover the transfer fees etc.

note* takes isk to make isk.

OrDeR
Caldari
Muppet Factory
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2010.03.02 10:47:00 - [100]
 

Originally by: Suitonia
OrDeR is a ~ReAl~ PvPeR, and not just a FOTM chaser, you can tell because in the past 2 years he has been in the following well respected and non-FOTM alliances.

IAC, KIA, PuPPeT MaSTeRs, Cult of War, Minor Threat, Zenith Affinity, White Noise, Triumvirate.


Seems you are the new FOTM. Where can I app ?

Gryana
Gallente
Silver Snake Enterprise
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2010.03.02 11:50:00 - [101]
 

Originally by: VCBee 2fast2furious
Originally by: Dr Stroomb
Let me summarise what is being said here.

SE and Coven are attacking sys-k because sys-k is made up of carebears and SE/Coven are pvpers.


No, SE/C0VEN are attacking because SYS-K, who owe their current position to the long-standing support of SE, failed to show a united front when IT attacked Paragon Soul last week, and gave tacit support to IT's invasion.

That sort of **** is always going to break up friendships.


What is of course missing from the summary is the large amount of diplo work done before during and after the SE/IT Drama Llama came round for tea and cake.

Giacomo Carissimi
Gallente
ElitistOps
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.03.02 13:31:00 - [102]
 

Originally by: Gryana
This can only end well :S

i know, right? look at all these awful posts by sys-k.

Dodgy Past
Amarr
Digital Fury Corporation
Posted - 2010.03.02 15:02:00 - [103]
 

Originally by: Dr Stroomb
I bet if you let your members alone, without any harassing to join fleet, very few will join, which tells loads. I'm saying this to all.
LOL

Yeah thousands of people play this PvP game because they just want to carebear in peace. They even moved to null to do it.

My thanks to SE and c0ven for making sure the south doesn't go the way of the north and remains a worthwhile place to live.

Deviana Sevidon
Gallente
Panta-Rhei
Butterfly Effect Alliance
Posted - 2010.03.02 15:45:00 - [104]
 

Originally by: OrDeR
Originally by: Dr Stroomb
Originally by: OrDeR
Originally by: Dr Stroomb
Let me summarise what is being said here.

SE and Coven are attacking sys-k because sys-k is made up of carebears and SE/Coven are pvpers. Pvpers like action and hate carebearing so this puts them on a path of collision.

What I never managed to understand is the following: how do pvpers fund their activities? I doubt it's only through loot/salvage of the wrecks. Someone, please, illuminate me.

As I understand it, a pvper who looks down on, and snobs carebears definitely has a carebear alt (or many alts) himself. Or is himself the leader of an alliance or CEO who makes other players' lives miserable by pushing them away from what they like to do most. I bet if you let your members alone, without any harassing to join fleet, very few will join, which tells loads. I'm saying this to all.

(Dudes, make sure you select the right pvp alt to reply to this - there's a character selection field some line further down)


Real pvpers have spies and steal isk. Let me know if you find any Real ones, I need some pointers.. I have illuminated you.


But you cannot steal forever, can you?? You soon get a reputation. Even if you keep making new alts, it's not easy to get access to wallets, especially with young alts.


Yeah you can. Here's a simple scam:

Buy a two chars with 30mil sp each go through there corp history and apply to them corps in the history. While the corp members think you are the old owner you slowly get access to what you need. Once you have accomplished your goal sell the chars and buy new ones.

Its all about talking sh*t, if you can talk sh*t you can get access to anything. Make sure to scam enough to cover the transfer fees etc.

note* takes isk to make isk.


The Truth is much simpler. Most of the Elite-PvP types have some Macros running somewhere to get their ISK, other sell GTC en masse, which is legit, or directly purchase their ISKs at the local farmer store.

T'Aldaani
Minmatar
Igneus Auctorita
SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
Posted - 2010.03.03 02:11:00 - [105]
 

Best of luck, c0ven.

PDP Kordal
Gallente
The New Era
C0NVICTED
Posted - 2010.03.03 03:57:00 - [106]
 

To Coven, Hope to see you on the battle field again. After sitting camping CVA for soo many days. it is good to find someone that shoots back. This morning has made my dayTwisted Evil.






Nobani
Minmatar
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.03.03 04:09:00 - [107]
 

Originally by: Dr Stroomb
I bet if you let your members alone, without any harassing to join fleet, very few will join, which tells loads. I'm saying this to all.


Just because you're an achiever doesn't mean everyone is.

Asheru
Caldari
The Shadow Plague
Gentlemen's Agreement
Posted - 2010.03.03 06:20:00 - [108]
 

Originally by: Deviana Sevidon
The Truth is much simpler. Most of the Elite-PvP types have some Macros running somewhere to get their ISK, other sell GTC en masse, which is legit, or directly purchase their ISKs at the local farmer store.


Thread got sort of quiet, all of a sudden.

*crickets*

Dr Stroomb
Amarr
moonshine ventures
Posted - 2010.03.03 07:07:00 - [109]
 

Originally by: Nobani
Originally by: Dr Stroomb
I bet if you let your members alone, without any harassing to join fleet, very few will join, which tells loads. I'm saying this to all.


Just because you're an achiever doesn't mean everyone is.



Nice document, well done and thanks for the information. Still my point is, please stop pushing people around.

Dr Stroomb
Amarr
moonshine ventures
Posted - 2010.03.03 07:14:00 - [110]
 

Originally by: Asheru
Originally by: Deviana Sevidon
The Truth is much simpler. Most of the Elite-PvP types have some Macros running somewhere to get their ISK, other sell GTC en masse, which is legit, or directly purchase their ISKs at the local farmer store.


Thread got sort of quiet, all of a sudden.

*crickets*


Yes it suddenly did...

Kel'taith
Gallente
ElitistOps
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.03.03 07:27:00 - [111]
 

Good fight c0ven, you brought it outnumbered and completely out gunned against our fleet and an ECM Large tower with gunners. Without hesitation I might add. It's rare to fight anyone with balls, we certainly didn't find enemies of your quality against goons, bricks, or CVA. I look forward to many good fights in the future, It saddens me we could not find a way to remain friends through recent events.

Venzon 2003
Caldari
Beach Boys
Cartel.
Posted - 2010.03.04 02:56:00 - [112]
 

friendly bump

Dr Stroomb
Amarr
moonshine ventures
Posted - 2010.03.05 07:05:00 - [113]
 

... bump ...

answers guys, more answers ...

Dynast
Gallente
Osirians Of Eve
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2010.03.05 08:17:00 - [114]
 

Another major engagement took place yesterday, this one in SE/Coven's favor. Looks like they're serious about their 'GTFO of eso' ultimatum, as they're dropping SBUs and reinforcing poses. Will be good times this weekend.

Nestor Ne'Arthe
Amarr
Firebird Squadron
Posted - 2010.03.05 09:06:00 - [115]
 

Originally by: Dr Stroomb
Let me summarise what is being said here.

SE and Coven are attacking sys-k because sys-k is made up of carebears and SE/Coven are pvpers. Pvpers like action and hate carebearing so this puts them on a path of collision.



What I have always failed to grasp, is why do PvP'ers insist on attacking people that definately are not interested in such activities. I mean, seriously, if you're a "pr0 l33t pvper" pick on someone who can actually give you a beating. I find shooting easy targets dull, but it seems that way too many people need instant gratification on their actions. A good comparison would be playing a game with a 6 year old. You let him win, in obvious ways, and he's happy every single time, because he "won", and at the end of the day that is all that matters ;-)

As for getting the money - everyone rats, everyone. That is all.

thearrowofapollo
Gallente
The Fallen Angels Unit
Initiative Mercenaries
Posted - 2010.03.05 10:28:00 - [116]
 

i like that yo say ur not bothered about losing space but then contredict yourself in the last sentance about estoria, however that said gl and may the noobs be with you resetting sys-k maybe a good thing as there wasnt much action going on ;)

Venzon 2003
Caldari
Beach Boys
Cartel.
Posted - 2010.03.05 13:18:00 - [117]
 

Originally by: Dynast
Another major engagement took place yesterday, this one in SE/Coven's favor. Looks like they're serious about their 'GTFO of eso' ultimatum, as they're dropping SBUs and reinforcing poses. Will be good times this weekend.


no drama, just stront and set RF timers for US TZ and u gonna be fine Laughing

Dr Stroomb
Amarr
moonshine ventures
Posted - 2010.03.05 15:21:00 - [118]
 

Originally by: Nestor Ne'Arthe
Originally by: Dr Stroomb
Let me summarise what is being said here.

SE and Coven are attacking sys-k because sys-k is made up of carebears and SE/Coven are pvpers. Pvpers like action and hate carebearing so this puts them on a path of collision.



What I have always failed to grasp, is why do PvP'ers insist on attacking people that definately are not interested in such activities. I mean, seriously, if you're a "pr0 l33t pvper" pick on someone who can actually give you a beating. I find shooting easy targets dull, but it seems that way too many people need instant gratification on their actions. A good comparison would be playing a game with a 6 year old. You let him win, in obvious ways, and he's happy every single time, because he "won", and at the end of the day that is all that matters ;-)

As for getting the money - everyone rats, everyone. That is all.


Thank you Nestor, thank you. I could not have said it better myself. I am sick and tired of people boasting they're pvping and then find them in killmails with 50 other peeps. So sad. It's player versus player, in singular. Since we are at it, what do you think of fleets and blobs?

Vashan Tar
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.03.05 15:39:00 - [119]
 

Originally by: Venzon 2003
Originally by: Dynast
Another major engagement took place yesterday, this one in SE/Coven's favor. Looks like they're serious about their 'GTFO of eso' ultimatum, as they're dropping SBUs and reinforcing poses. Will be good times this weekend.


no drama, just stront and set RF timers for US TZ and u gonna be fine Laughing


As a former resident of angel space (we told you the rats sucked, you didn't believe us), I can assure that there is nothing more annoying than the SE cap fleet assaulting your holdings in Estoria every time you leave the region to go do something fun.

Vimple
Caldari
SniggWaffe
Posted - 2010.03.05 15:45:00 - [120]
 

**Disclaimer** The below statment does not refelct upon my alliance/corporation. It is mine and mine alone. **Disclaimer**

Stainwagon will die due to the simple fact that SE jumped the gun without communicating with the rest of Stainwagon. SE has always had trouble staying on the same page with the rest of SW along the lines of who is blue to everyone else. Now they went and dropped the ball. Coven are following along out of loyalty. So the sides are drwan up LR, SC vs SE, Coven, and Stainless. IT will prob back there new pets. The question is will -A- and Atlas stand by and watch. If they both stay neut or back LR, SC then Stainwagon is absolutly dead. Unless of course SE/Coven can pull in support from outside of the south.


May wealth always be just out of reach and discord always follow in thine own footsteps. -V


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