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Serpents smile
Posted - 2010.02.25 04:05:00 - [181]
 

Mad Damn it CCP!
I promised myself not to train for squid ships!

Now you're forcing me. Sad

Yon Krum
The Knights Templar
R.A.G.E
Posted - 2010.02.25 04:28:00 - [182]
 

Good God! Scorp got a second wing! *BOGGLE*

What is this they do?!? Ditching the asymmetric ships that make the eyes bleed? Can it be?

Good job. Also, good blog. When you do the Blackbird, see if you can keep it's butt-ugly charm, though....

--Krum, who now needs to see if the Scorp will turn like it does now... so graceful in spite of its lines....

Pater Peccavi
Minmatar
Tribal Liberation Force
Posted - 2010.02.25 04:37:00 - [183]
 

Originally by: Volir
When you get to minmatar, can you make them rustier?

Tagami Wasp
Caldari
Sarz'na Khumatari
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2010.02.25 04:54:00 - [184]
 

Apply same treatment to Moa plz. Also, to the SYS-K guy that likes asymetrical stuff: if I wanted to watch Dali art, I'd go to MoMA. I want symmetrical ships, dry and functional, not fancy.

Augin Soric
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2010.02.25 05:00:00 - [185]
 

Oh my GOD.Shocked

I liked the scorpion before but now it's just....wow. I like how it looks even very different from the other Caldari BS's, it fits the feel of it being a very new battleship design. I still can't get over how great the redesign is, looks like I'll be flying nothing but scorpions from now on.\

Domi gets next appointment :D

Davik Rendar
Gallente
Posted - 2010.02.25 05:04:00 - [186]
 

Originally by: Peryner
Also, I'm curios, as an artist that does 3d and stuff, how did you get better looking textures by cutting the diffuse in half? please answer, ti's really bugging me :/

I too am sceptical about halving the diffuse texture res, however the NGS - PGS comparison images are quite convincing, so it may actually be the low-res mask map that was reducing the quality of the shaders.

CCP: Just another suggestion, make logo squares like on the Interbus shuttle. This will solve any mirrored logo issues like someone pointed out. Also it would create the option of having alliance logo's displayed on ships, which would be an awesome step towards "personalised" ships.

I do think the new Scorp model looks absolutely spectacular though, well done CCP.

Catari Taga
Centre Of Attention
Middle of Nowhere
Posted - 2010.02.25 05:11:00 - [187]
 

Originally by: Evelgrivion
Originally by: Catari Taga
So Caldari ships are all going to be redesigned to look symmetrical now? I actually liked the scorpion hulls... Sad


I challenge you to look at the in game model and say that again with a straight face. Wink


I was sitting in one when I wrote that. For ships that are not designed for atmospheric flight there is no reason to be symmetrical. The new design looks like a toy, designed to look as much as a scorpion (the animal) as possible. That does not fit with the utilitarian technocratic culture of the Caldari, or at least it should not IMO. I do like the new texturing though, that looks pretty good.

Anyway I'd much rather have seen art department time spent to finally create models for missile launchers (and have the missiles come out of them) rather than redesign the scorp. Clearly CCP disagrees. Wink

Zakurai
Caldari
Posted - 2010.02.25 05:17:00 - [188]
 

Looks great! Please for all that's holy, just, and everything that's good in the universe do the raven! Many missioner's have to hang their heads in shame as they use their overpriced non-symmetrical brick for beating lvl 4 missions. I just wish the Raven stats met with the looks. Get the same guy who did the Merlin or the drake, they have a good eye for design Very Happy

UVPhoenix2
Rim Collection RC
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2010.02.25 05:39:00 - [189]
 

I hope this fixes the Hyperion's shotty paint job. Increasing the sharpness of the Raven's textures would be nice as well.

Jei'son Bladesmith
The Storm Knights
The Cool Kids Club
Posted - 2010.02.25 05:49:00 - [190]
 

new scorpion is made of **** and win

Arakkis Melanogaster
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.02.25 05:49:00 - [191]
 

Edited by: Arakkis Melanogaster on 25/02/2010 05:50:07
You know what could seriously use some love? The Helios. The Maulus hull looks amazing, and changing the Helios to the Imicus hull was a terrible mistake. Even the Navitas looks cool. Why use the worst hull for the T2 frigate?

Yakov Draken
Minmatar
Tides Of War
Posted - 2010.02.25 05:50:00 - [192]
 

Looks awesome!

I wish CCP had gone with the short range brawler idea for the Scorp . . . don't see a lot of them as it is.

Ranger 1
Amarr
Ranger Corp
Posted - 2010.02.25 06:27:00 - [193]
 

Quote:
I agree.. it's the tail that's the problem. I'm more concerned by the fact that CCP can't see this themselves.


After comparing...

... I really don't see your point.

Bellum Eternus
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2010.02.25 06:31:00 - [194]
 

SWEET JESUS! \o/

Meeko Atari
Posted - 2010.02.25 06:46:00 - [195]
 

\\Very Happy//

Commander TGK
Gallente
The Deep Space Armada
Posted - 2010.02.25 06:48:00 - [196]
 

I want upgraded backgrounds!

Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
Posted - 2010.02.25 07:16:00 - [197]
 

Originally by: Bellum Eternus
SWEET JESUS! \o/

Bellum Eternus
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2010.02.25 07:20:00 - [198]
 

I CAN'T POSSIBLY EXPRESS HOW HAPPY I AM AT THE NEW ART! OMG OMG OMG!

Who do I send the beer to? CCP Nag?

Duchess Starbuckington
Posted - 2010.02.25 07:43:00 - [199]
 

Originally by: Bellum Eternus
I CAN'T POSSIBLY EXPRESS HOW HAPPY I AM AT THE NEW ART! OMG OMG OMG!

Who do I send the beer to? CCP Nag?


This Very Happy

I would've been happy with just another wing tbh, but they went the extra mile (or 20)

Sturmwolke
Posted - 2010.02.25 07:59:00 - [200]
 

Originally by: Lusulpher

Asymmetry is beautiful[according to the ancient civilizations who invented Art].

Caldari's racial profile is asymmetry and it's the part I love about the Gallente designs too. the beauty is in beholding their oddities.


Asymmetrical appreciation is generally an aberration of the basic human instinct.
Lazy Google random link - http://www.livescience.com/strangenews/051221_symmetry_nature.html

You might appreciate it, but 99 other humans won't.
It took long enough for CCP art department to move into the right direction (imo), making old asymetric designs a little bit more palatable to the eye.

Originally by: Lusulpher

Symmetry is boring.Evil or Very Mad



There a plenty of ways for anyone to design beautiful symmetrical ships and keep its iconic uniqueness.

Freyya
Advanced Planetary Exports
Intergalactic Exports Group
Posted - 2010.02.25 08:08:00 - [201]
 

Absolutely about damn time Razz Nice redesign too! One thing i would like to add is that it does seem to have lost some of its industrial appearance...that perhaps has something to do with the high grade of "LOOK MA! I'M MADE OF PLASTIC" gloss and rounded shapes of something that used to be made up of squares and triangles. Little bit more use of steel paint would do the trick i think...

Ohh and previews are nice.. let's see a preview of all the ships you've done so far Wink

WarDecEvading HaulerAlt
War-Dec Evading Alt Corp
Posted - 2010.02.25 08:08:00 - [202]
 

As a cynical graphics programmer I have to ask why you are omitting the Z channel from your normalmaps when you could store it in the blue channel for some added precision, and cheapen the decode by not requiring a per-pixel square root to calculate the initial Z value...

C4 985
Posted - 2010.02.25 08:08:00 - [203]
 

Looks great indeed. But could you make the "arms" in front a little longer to the front? I know it won't happen , but i tried :). Good looking scorp again.

Serpents smile
Posted - 2010.02.25 08:25:00 - [204]
 

Originally by: WarDecEvading HaulerAlt
why you are omitting the Z channel from your normalmaps when you could store it in the blue channel for some added precision, and cheapen the decode by not requiring a per-pixel square root to calculate the initial Z value...


What? Shocked

Baron Agamemnon
Caldari
The Einherji
Supernova Federation
Posted - 2010.02.25 08:33:00 - [205]
 

Edited by: Baron Agamemnon on 25/02/2010 08:34:32
Sweet!

I actually like the new Caldari design, true to the old one, but new in many ways.

Looking forward to see what you will do to the Raven!

Originally by: Tagami Wasp
Apply same treatment to Moa plz. Also, to the SYS-K guy that likes asymetrical stuff: if I wanted to watch Dali art, I'd go to MoMA. I want symmetrical ships, dry and functional, not fancy.



What is so wrong with asymetrical? I for one like differnt styles on the shipe, some symmetrical, others not. Wink

McFly
Peanut Factory
Posted - 2010.02.25 08:42:00 - [206]
 

i liked the missing wing, I hope CCP doesn't go to crazy with redesigning the ships. I mean they are icons of EVE. When Trinity Launched and they changed some things here and there it was a bid deal, but tread carefully here CCP. I don't want to login in one day and all my ships look like the most aggressive death mobile drawings of that sci fi kid in the back of class....

Von Kapiche
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.02.25 08:42:00 - [207]
 

Edited by: Von Kapiche on 25/02/2010 08:43:44
Wtf is a "real spaceship" supposed to look like anyway? why *can't* some Caldari designer use an animal theme? it's SPACE, it's not like it matters what shape the thing is. The Gallente could make a giant green Marshmallow Man Dominix and it'd still function just as well.

I'm kinda dubious about a Badger, still. And... yes, lets not go too near the Drake either ( although if you squint hard with Dali glasses on, it's got a vague duck-ness to it ).

R4zGr1z
Posted - 2010.02.25 08:55:00 - [208]
 

Very nice model CCP.

The only thing i would like to ask is that you will be remodelling all the ships take that chance to implement the missile launcher bays. The answer we always get was: It would require to change all the ship models in EvE, and that can't be done, NOW you are doing it, so for god's sake do the laucher bays.

Berzerkergang
Caldari
Heretic Academy
Posted - 2010.02.25 08:56:00 - [209]
 

Okay: First of all, Thanks CCP for the updated graphics on the scorpion. I love it and maybe the ship will be seen for its worth now everyone loves the look. Scorpion is seen as the ship noone wants to fly. Strangely enough it has its nickname: Primairy... It is a good ship when you have the skills and knowledge how to fly with one...

Secondly: Will the people whining about lag, bugs, fixes and other stuff not related go back to their own topics so that the people that do bring constructive comments and such here can actually be read? You do realise that if CCP reads through this section they will probably not read the "FIX THIS! I AM ANGRY!! EMORAGE!!!" parts at all? They just want to know what we think about the redesign and will make notes about the people that aggree and disaggree.

That being said, again my praise for the work that CCP has been doing. I am truly looking forward to the next expansion ;)/

Sig Freed
Amarr
Imperial Navy Courier Service
Posted - 2010.02.25 09:13:00 - [210]
 

Edited by: Sig Freed on 25/02/2010 09:14:05
Originally by: Peryner


Also, I'm curios, as an artist that does 3d and stuff, how did you get better looking textures by cutting the diffuse in half? please answer, ti's really bugging me :/

unless the back of the model isn't textured? Laughing



You'd be surprised. The spec masks have a lot of detail in them at a glance, which drive additional layers of quality on top of what also looks like a much better normal map. Secondly, most eve ships drive their appearance with clever use of cube maps that in many scenarios, wash out any detail in the diffuse.

The diffuse drives the base but is no longer the bread and butter for quality.


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