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Dummy Jumper
Posted - 2010.02.24 23:26:00 - [151]
 

It is just awesome! At last Scorpion got beautiful model!

Comm Den
Posted - 2010.02.24 23:28:00 - [152]
 

WowShocked

0oO0oOoOo0o
Posted - 2010.02.24 23:30:00 - [153]
 

Quote:
For those interested, the factions colors are:
Front row (from left to right): Civilian, Navy Issue, Rattlesnake (Guristas), Ishukone Fleet
Second Row: Widow (Kaalakiota), LaiDai Protection Service, Mordus Legion , NOH Internal Security
Back Row: State Issue, Wiyrkomi Peace Corps


Does this mean we are getting lots of new faction ships ? Or is this just the skins, while the stats stay the same ?

Catari Taga
Centre Of Attention
Middle of Nowhere
Posted - 2010.02.24 23:31:00 - [154]
 

So Caldari ships are all going to be redesigned to look symmetrical now? I actually liked the scorpion hulls... Sad

Vertigo Ren
Posted - 2010.02.24 23:43:00 - [155]
 

Originally by: Diana Arseti
Fail redesign.

The design itself is more or less normal but the way it looks on images u'v shown us is idiotic. Are u trying to make fly toys?
Make it look more realistic. Remove half of the glossiness from the surface and maybe (just maybe) it'll look more or less ok.
Only ships that look realistic atm are Drakes and Hurricanes (one can add Hel and Phoenix here along with few others).
After T3 hulls were introduced to the public everything seem to be heading in the wrong direction.

JUST MAKE IT MORE REALISTIC!Evil or Very Mad


What are you basing realistic off of? In the entire planet, we've got less then 10 real space-worthy ships. Not even true space ships. And none of eve's look like those. Rolling Eyes

Zarlis
Gallente
Posted - 2010.02.24 23:45:00 - [156]
 

wow they look awesome
while you are on a roll lets get rid of that ****e green colour that appeared on Gal ships during the graphic upgrade

Evelgrivion
Gunpoint Diplomacy
Posted - 2010.02.24 23:47:00 - [157]
 

Originally by: Catari Taga
So Caldari ships are all going to be redesigned to look symmetrical now? I actually liked the scorpion hulls... Sad


I challenge you to look at the in game model and say that again with a straight face. Wink

Kytanos Termek
Caldari
Perkone
Posted - 2010.02.24 23:50:00 - [158]
 

Im now a happy ewar pilot.

This makes up for the nerf.

Seghan
Posted - 2010.02.24 23:53:00 - [159]
 

Downsizing the diffuse map to 512? Why would you do that?

FawKa
Gallente
x13
Raiden.
Posted - 2010.02.25 00:03:00 - [160]
 

Originally by: Sader Rykane
Originally by: FawKa
The Scorp may look cool and funny as first glance - and then you go - what are you trying to do here?

Let's be honest - it looks like a toy.
Caldari is to me (on the ship design) the most possible futuristic way humans would build spaceships. They seem industrial-made. They were made not to be pretty but to work in space. (I know I may be overthinking for some ppl to follow me here).

Why would man kind build a flying scorpion?
Next thing you'll do, dear CCP, is to make ppl able to painjob their ships into Hello-kitty rainbows?

This is just one ship, but as you see in this very thread.. There's no end to it. Please don't ruin the illusion of this being a "serious internet-spaceship" game.

Best regards


So wait... for a game to be "serious" we need to fly terrible looking ships?

Refusing graphic upgrades makes us hardcore?


Think before posting.

There are a billion ways of making the scorp look different. I do not agree or disagree that it should be changed. it's an endless discussion.

I do however not wan't the Vagabond looking like a homeless person
I do not wan't the Raven to look anymore like a bird than it already does
I do not want the Sleipnir to look like a horse from nothern mythology

Do you get my point? I love the graphics. But this looks like a bad joke by some art director that doesn't work at CCP.

Thuranni
Eldjotnar
Posted - 2010.02.25 00:11:00 - [161]
 

Originally by: FawKa
Originally by: Sader Rykane
Originally by: FawKa
The Scorp may look cool and funny as first glance - and then you go - what are you trying to do here?

Let's be honest - it looks like a toy.
Caldari is to me (on the ship design) the most possible futuristic way humans would build spaceships. They seem industrial-made. They were made not to be pretty but to work in space. (I know I may be overthinking for some ppl to follow me here).

Why would man kind build a flying scorpion?
Next thing you'll do, dear CCP, is to make ppl able to painjob their ships into Hello-kitty rainbows?

This is just one ship, but as you see in this very thread.. There's no end to it. Please don't ruin the illusion of this being a "serious internet-spaceship" game.

Best regards


So wait... for a game to be "serious" we need to fly terrible looking ships?

Refusing graphic upgrades makes us hardcore?


Think before posting.

There are a billion ways of making the scorp look different. I do not agree or disagree that it should be changed. it's an endless discussion.

I do however not wan't the Vagabond looking like a homeless person
I do not wan't the Raven to look anymore like a bird than it already does
I do not want the Sleipnir to look like a horse from nothern mythology

Do you get my point? I love the graphics. But this looks like a bad joke by some art director that doesn't work at CCP.


The only thing that looks like it wouldn't belong on a "serious" ship to me is the tower, or "tail", at the back. Maybe this tower is a ECM projector enhancement tower or something, giving the Scorp it's ECM capabilities.

Think about it this way, if you're into the whole backstory thing. Bunch of engineers design a super awesome new battleship. Battleship initially has a working title. Battleship prototype gets built, shown off to state officials and admirals and the like. Some admiral goes, "Hey, that tower makes it look kind of like a scorpion". Whole meeting room goes quiet, until the project lead points out that "Scorpion" is a incredibly badass name for a warship.

FawKa
Gallente
x13
Raiden.
Posted - 2010.02.25 00:16:00 - [162]
 

Edited by: FawKa on 25/02/2010 00:20:08
Thuranni @

I agree.. it's the tail that's the problem. I'm more concerned by the fact that CCP can't see this themselves.

I know we could make up a story and make the hopefully-not new model work with the storyline.

There's this russian guy that makes artwork. A dominix looking like a shoe etc - can't find his bloody site - but that's good fun, it looks AMAZING . we can all agree to that. But we would never ever wan't to fly a shoe into a fleetfight, now would we?
(those saying yes, go play kitty online, please) :D

Edit: anyway point is to scream out an opinion before it gets crazy. I really don't wan't EVE to deploy paint-jobs or whatever comes next if we keep changing the models like this.

Ronin Nazuri
Posted - 2010.02.25 00:26:00 - [163]
 

FTA: "And yes, this does mean that we will have to update every ship in the game, but it is a process that will be done over multiple expansions, starting with the Summer 2010 expansion."

How many ships are going to be updated in Tyrannis?

Since the Caladari engineers have learned symmetry, can you talk to the Gallente ones about the Helios? Very Happy


Tae Ren
Posted - 2010.02.25 00:28:00 - [164]
 

Originally by: Diana Arseti
Fail redesign.

The design itself is more or less normal but the way it looks on images u'v shown us is idiotic. Are u trying to make fly toys?
Make it look more realistic. Remove half of the glossiness from the surface and maybe (just maybe) it'll look more or less ok.
Only ships that look realistic atm are Drakes and Hurricanes (one can add Hel and Phoenix here along with few others).
After T3 hulls were introduced to the public everything seem to be heading in the wrong direction.

JUST MAKE IT MORE REALISTIC!Evil or Very Mad


Glosiness = new state of the art reflective armor. To deflect those pesky amarrian lasers right back at them...

Alek Row
Minmatar
Silent Step
Posted - 2010.02.25 00:31:00 - [165]
 

I like my ugly Tempest and I know lot's of people is not going to like this. But any chance of making it real? No? Damn...

OBS: I don't know where I found this pic, I have it for years, maybe old artwork?

Krathos Morpheus
Legion Infernal
Posted - 2010.02.25 00:45:00 - [166]
 

Originally by: FawKa
But we would never ever wan't to fly a shoe into a fleetfight, now would we?
As long as it kicks hard enough... :P But yes, please, fix Dominix!

Rainus Max
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2010.02.25 00:56:00 - [167]
 

Quote:
I like my ugly Tempest and I know lot's of people is not going to like this. But any chance of making it real? No? Damn...

OBS: I don't know where I found this pic, I have it for years, maybe old artwork?


I dunno I wouldn't mind a Tempest MK2 option, Minmatar went back to the drawing board and "redesigned" the ship same stats but a more Maelstrom-ish look. Keep the old version too.

Ferroith
Posted - 2010.02.25 00:59:00 - [168]
 

Finally I get to see, why the Scorpion is called the Scorpion :D

galphi
Gallente
Furnulum pani nolo
THE SPACE P0LICE
Posted - 2010.02.25 00:59:00 - [169]
 

Edited by: galphi on 25/02/2010 01:03:49
That looks amazing, and I'm glad to finally see whoever came up with the awful lopsided caldari designs has been demoted to janitor Razz

If you're redoing ship designs, please please please consider redoing the Dominix & Celestis, their designs are horrible and could use a major facelift Cool

Oh, and the Moa. And Osprey. Caracal could be a bit better too. Raven of course, but that just makes sense. I think that covers it Laughing

Alma Malice
Posted - 2010.02.25 01:10:00 - [170]
 

Did not like previous design.
Did not buy ship.
New design is awesome.
Will buy as soon as its out.

Also: Coporate Caldari are ocd about efficiency and everything being perfect and clean - they would never design any ship that was NOT symmetrical imo.

Only race with assymetrical ships should be minnies, gotta love them for that :)

Myrkala
Minmatar
Rebel Inc
Posted - 2010.02.25 01:24:00 - [171]
 

I sure hope this helps out with the textures on the Tempest, even with Trinity they leave something to be desired... so many small details looks washed out.

Britomartida
Pumpkin Scissors
DarkSide.
Posted - 2010.02.25 01:27:00 - [172]
 

Originally by: Ronin Nazuri
FTA: "And yes, this does mean that we will have to update every ship in the game, but it is a process that will be done over multiple expansions, starting with the Summer 2010 expansion."

How many ships are going to be updated in Tyrannis?

Since the Caladari engineers have learned symmetry, can you talk to the Gallente ones about the Helios? Very Happy



They talk about textures. Only Scorpion get new model, other ships stay the same, so you can start whining. About Helios... It is so ugly... Just make it symmetrical is not enough, it is need completly new model, like Dominix.

Lusulpher
Gallente
Posted - 2010.02.25 02:15:00 - [173]
 

Originally by: Deva Blackfire
Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 24/02/2010 16:45:55
Originally by: Xtover
Originally by: Deva Blackfire
New scorp looks like LEGO CnC4 model tbh. Way over the top and imo doesnt fit too good with other ships we already have :X


read the blog.

They want to redesign the ships to have the updated stlye of the T3 ships.

if you compare it to the Tengu, it fits.


Just leave the Chimera, Charon, and Rokh alone.


Considering that t3 ships are generally UGLY its not really a good thing.

Edit: and whatever you say - it still looks like CnC4 failure design.


T3 is not ugly, they are "unique". It's really all about the detailing.

But I have to agree with you about CNC4. THis is an ugly Scorpion, it tries too hard to be a scorpionspaceship.Neutral

Asymmetry is beautiful[according to the ancient civilizations who invented Art].

Caldari's racial profile is asymmetry and it's the part I love about the Gallente designs too. the beauty is in beholding their oddities.

Make that Domi change subtle and it remains iconic. Make it a Lego ship[I LOVE LEGO ANYTHING] and you ruin a part of the IP. Like a certain ****ty Navy Megathron that does not look like the pimp Navy Comet...



Mechanical, symmetrical, [rusty]= Minmatar
Mechanical, asymmetrical, [dry]= Caldari
Organic, symmetrical, [shiny]= Amarr
Organic, asymmetrical, [wet]= Gallente
Organic, symmetrical [wet]= Jove



That's what I've come to expect from the Art department. What I see here is a bad compromise.

tl;dr: Remove 1/4 of all Caldari, ships randomly. Symmetry is boring.Evil or Very Mad

Once again, kudos on upgrading the graphics to match your last work. Must have whipped the **** out of them.


Mike C
Caldari
MicroFunks
Posted - 2010.02.25 02:19:00 - [174]
 

YAY! Now my widow doesn't have to be beat like a red headed stepchild. Oops, sorry Asuka.

Lolion Reglo
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2010.02.25 02:25:00 - [175]
 

Edited by: Lolion Reglo on 25/02/2010 02:28:28
Originally by: FawKa

Next thing you'll do, dear CCP, is to make ppl able to painjob their ships into Hello-kitty rainbows?



http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/3925/clipimage001xn2.jpg
Laughing


I also love how people are trying to tack on other jobs to this blog saying other things need fixed. lolz. like an artist is gonna fix ship mechanics...Laughing

Originally by: Lusulpher
Edited by: Lusulpher on 25/02/2010 02:26:24
Originally by: Alek Row
I like my ugly Tempest and I know lot's of people is not going to like this. But any chance of making it real? No? Damn...

OBS: I don't know where I found this pic, I have it for years, maybe old artwork?


That looks badass AND follows the update work the Minmatar textures need. +1




but ... but... Minmatar ships are supposed to look like they're about to fall apart in mid flight. that inherent to the race isnt it? thought that is a badass pic i must admit.

Lusulpher
Gallente
Posted - 2010.02.25 02:25:00 - [176]
 

Edited by: Lusulpher on 25/02/2010 02:26:24
Originally by: Alek Row
I like my ugly Tempest and I know lot's of people is not going to like this. But any chance of making it real? No? Damn...

OBS: I don't know where I found this pic, I have it for years, maybe old artwork?


That looks badass AND follows the update work the Minmatar textures need. +1

Also, nothing wrong with Helios, you must surely mean the Navitas, a ship so ugly and aimless in design it reminds me of the Probe's awfulness.

For all you saying you did not buy a Scorp and don't know why it was called Scorp, it's because it's conning tower is close to a scorpion profile. Quit acting dense.

This looks amateur to make a "scorpionship" and then add fins on every part of it!! IF ANYTHING, ECM boats need more antennae.
This is disappointing.

Most of the Minnie ships are missing those solar sails and "oars" to make them look like historical trade/slave ships, but you start with the Scorp...

tl;dr: Leave the iconic profiles alone, fix Navitas/Minnie wrecks. Alliance paintjobs coming next huh? Cool.

Sader Rykane
Amarr
The Dark Space Initiative
Revival Of The Talocan Empire
Posted - 2010.02.25 02:47:00 - [177]
 

Edited by: Sader Rykane on 25/02/2010 02:48:21
Edited by: Sader Rykane on 25/02/2010 02:47:44
Originally by: FawKa
Originally by: Sader Rykane
Originally by: FawKa
The Scorp may look cool and funny as first glance - and then you go - what are you trying to do here?

Let's be honest - it looks like a toy.
Caldari is to me (on the ship design) the most possible futuristic way humans would build spaceships. They seem industrial-made. They were made not to be pretty but to work in space. (I know I may be overthinking for some ppl to follow me here).

Why would man kind build a flying scorpion?
Next thing you'll do, dear CCP, is to make ppl able to painjob their ships into Hello-kitty rainbows?

This is just one ship, but as you see in this very thread.. There's no end to it. Please don't ruin the illusion of this being a "serious internet-spaceship" game.

Best regards


So wait... for a game to be "serious" we need to fly terrible looking ships?

Refusing graphic upgrades makes us hardcore?


Think before posting.

There are a billion ways of making the scorp look different. I do not agree or disagree that it should be changed. it's an endless discussion.

I do however not wan't the Vagabond looking like a homeless person
I do not wan't the Raven to look anymore like a bird than it already does
I do not want the Sleipnir to look like a horse from nothern mythology

Do you get my point? I love the graphics. But this looks like a bad joke by some art director that doesn't work at CCP.


I'm not exactly seeing the problem with making the scorpion look like its namesake?

You're looking at this as if its all or nothing.

OMG IF WE MAKE ONE SHIP LOOK LIKE ITS NAME THEY ALL HAVE TO!!! Calm down, this is better than the current scorpion by leaps and bounds. It may not be to YOUR liking but its still a much better looking ship overall.

Super Whopper
I can Has Cheeseburger
Posted - 2010.02.25 03:29:00 - [178]
 

Very nice!! I like this a lot.

Commander TGK
Gallente
The Deep Space Armada
Posted - 2010.02.25 03:46:00 - [179]
 

Hoo-rah!

Peryner
University of Caille
Posted - 2010.02.25 03:54:00 - [180]
 

I'm just goign to go there and say it.

I've been playing eve for 5 years now and I ALWAYS though the scorpion looked like a s scorpion. Even in classic graphics that's what it looked like to me. It's got the tail in the back and everything. it's not like they chancged the idea of ship, they just added the seacond wing.

here look, with both wings, even the old model looks just like a scorpion

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd151/karantanija/simetricalscorp.jpg


That said, the ships scale is off. The tail and main body have lots of little lights and a cool off center randar dish. But the rest of the texture, in the wings looks to large. Where as in the old ship had lots of those spike things to show it's size, and lots of little windows.

This ship looks big in the middle, but the wings look JUST LIKE the tech 3 cruisers. Which is what you were going for but... the edges are FAR to beveled. the vents are tooo large, the texture has no marking to make the hull seem... BIG! Like the windows or the little vents on the tail.





Also, I'm curios, as an artist that does 3d and stuff, how did you get better looking textures by cutting the diffuse in half? please answer, ti's really bugging me :/

unless the back of the model isn't textured? Laughing


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