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Orb Lati
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2010.02.28 23:16:00 - [301]
 

I personally hope that the art department takes a realist approach to windows on the ships.

I really hate the textures you see on some ships where you have rows of lights denoting portholes/windows on the hulls.
The fenrir would be a good example. It looks like you could house a city population in there with all the windows drawn on it.

AbudSeab
Posted - 2010.02.28 23:19:00 - [302]
 

Originally by: Planetary Genocide
Edited by: Planetary Genocide on 26/02/2010 23:35:30
All I can really say about this is that I'm now training up Caldari battleship and buying one when the redesign goes through just so I can sit in station and spin it.

This thing looks sexy. And I don't even like the Caldari ship designs for the most part, but... damn, I like it. Perfect blend between asymmetry and symmetry, fiercer look but still the same utilitarian Caldari design...

Do want.

For the guy who commented that the Caldari can't pilot symmetrical things, Drakes are symmetrical :P


Oh god, it's true... Drake is symetrical... oh no... CCP you need to solve this issue!!! :-) lol

Pesets
The Hunt Club
Posted - 2010.02.28 23:51:00 - [303]
 

Originally by: Orb Lati
I really hate the textures you see on some ships where you have rows of lights denoting portholes/windows on the hulls.
The fenrir would be a good example. It looks like you could house a city population in there with all the windows drawn on it.


You could actually house a city population in a Fenrir. I think one chronicle mentioned an industrial with a crew of around 500. Of course that doesn't necessarily mean it's a good idea to put windows all over the ship's hull. Even more ridiculous is when those lights are placed all over the place on frigates and destroyers (Rifter, Thrasher, Merlin, Cormorant) - where they are way too small to be windows, and it makes no sense for them to be there at all.

Planetary Genocide
Gallente
White Sail Anarchists
Yarr Collective
Posted - 2010.03.01 00:51:00 - [304]
 

Originally by: Abdiel Kavash
The new skin is meh. The new model is epic fail. One of the reasons I started playing Caldari is because of the asymetric models. This is SPACE, we don't have to fly in jet planes any more! Variety for the win!

Also, what was the art department thinking? "Hey, look, a Scorpion. Let's make it look like a scorpion too! Win!" Ehm, since all the other Caldari ships already look like whatever they are called. Next thing you see is they put wings on the Drake and make it breath fire. Mad

</rant>

On the brighter side, I like the second part of the blog. I would definitely love to see more variety in ship models / color schemes, even if it's just eyecandy and no stat-wise difference. Maybe even alliance color schemes in the distant future! Take a look at how Infinity handles it; basicaly you get to pick a primary and a secondary color, and those get applied to preset areas of the ship's texture.


As if to make it worse, a "drake" is actually a male duck. Think about that one, eh?

As for asymmetry, etc... one of the things EVE has done for me is opened my eyes in regards to design and stuff... not everything has to be symmetrical. But, symmetry is preferred still, and frankly, the new symmetrical scorpion is much better-looking than the current scorp model.

Van PokerAlho
Posted - 2010.03.01 02:38:00 - [305]
 

and the people rejoice in deep joy, scorpion is now beautiful!

Really hope that artist finally realized that non-symmetric ships are not good looking (to some extent, not all, but very difficult to get a asymmetric nice design).

Now take out those side engines from models like stabber, omen, etc.. please Very Happy

Sajuukkar
Amarr
The Littlest Hobos
En Garde
Posted - 2010.03.01 04:46:00 - [306]
 

Stabber (well Vaga) and Omen are two of my favorite ships tbh. And I think the people concerned with ships being "realistic" should take a step back and think about what would happen if the eve ships were more realistic looking. I am not saying that they would look better or worse, but it wouldn't look like eve. I like those pointless "windows" on my frigates.

Scorp looks awesome! Yay for love for the tech 1 (and tier 1 to boot).

I really appreciate that devs are going back and looking at polishing things that are great ideas but never quite got perfected (faction ships for example).

Nicely done...can we have a Domi redo sometime though? Wink
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DMF KingBob
Posted - 2010.03.01 06:54:00 - [307]
 

Edited by: DMF KingBob on 01/03/2010 07:01:25
Edited by: DMF KingBob on 01/03/2010 06:59:20
Edited by: DMF KingBob on 01/03/2010 06:54:35
a hobby 3d designer like me can say that the redesign of the scorp looks very well and fresh
it is a great success
can we have a polygon count from old and new model?
i guess this was much work for more then one person
and wich programs are used by the designers?

chaosjj
Posted - 2010.03.01 06:59:00 - [308]
 

Edited by: chaosjj on 01/03/2010 07:05:55
BTW, this better not be a joke

Dastreus
Posted - 2010.03.01 08:42:00 - [309]
 

Originally by: Jagga Spikes
I LOVE YOU! it was about freaking time, too! don't forget the raven, tho.


1: Love the new Scorpion look! Might get a widow in the xpac now. I was already considering one after my Golem training rounds out, so I have something for a different type of fun.

2: I LOVE the Raven look. However, if they were to have both "wings" be long, It'd be a 10/10 design IMO. Keep the underwings the same. I like the "arch" on one side.

Phaese
Posted - 2010.03.01 10:42:00 - [310]
 

I think it looks a bit too much like an actual animal also. One easy way to fix that is just to cut off the "tabs" at the front of each wing; they make it look like the wings are claws, which makes the model cross over from "suits its namesake" to "zoo in space":

this

Selar Nox
Posted - 2010.03.01 11:49:00 - [311]
 

Originally by: Phaese
I think it looks a bit too much like an actual animal also. One easy way to fix that is just to cut off the "tabs" at the front of each wing; they make it look like the wings are claws, which makes the model cross over from "suits its namesake" to "zoo in space":

this



100% agree

SillyWaif
Galactic Kingdom
Posted - 2010.03.01 13:09:00 - [312]
 

As stated before:
Reskinned scorpion is awesome
symmetrical scorpion is not

Exclamation Please make it asymmetrical again Exclamation

Facepalm
Amarr
Battlestars
Posted - 2010.03.01 20:03:00 - [313]
 

Looks great. Do the raven next pl0x!

Zebramind
Caldari
The Violet Hour
Posted - 2010.03.02 00:44:00 - [314]
 

Edited by: Zebramind on 02/03/2010 11:15:00
Wow, this sucks.

"Improving" something iconic takes understanding of what makes the thing stand out in the first place. How the f*** can you seriously go and change one of the most interesting hulls in EVE from asymmetric, weathered and very believeable into this piece of phoney Lego ****?

Just fix the lousy texturing. That would do it. And the Raven while you are at it.

*sigh*

edit: Come on CCP. The old Caldari BS designs - Raven, Scorpion - have been signatures of EVE. Because they have edge, myth - all sorts of stories in them. The new Scorpion looks like something Mattel came up with to woo 8-year olds. -=TRANSFORMERS=- yeah!
But maybe it really is an attempt to dumb down design to have broader appeal. Mainstreaming EVE. Then good job. You will open yourself up for competition, though.

"Emo much, Zebramind?" Nope - but I see this as part of a tendency which I find harmful to a brilliant creative vision. And now I hear marketing talking in the background. Makes me upset. (in game) :)

So. Will there be little EVE blisterpacks with spaceships in them? For the 8-year olds.

Noveron
Caldari
Aitnaru
Posted - 2010.03.02 02:00:00 - [315]
 

I'm in for simetry, the new look is fantastic.

Yakiisoba
Posted - 2010.03.02 22:23:00 - [316]
 

YES!!! This is awesome. Cannot wait CCP ^_^

Never liked the look of the Scorpion but loved flying it. Man oh man, If this is the beginning I cant wait to see whats next!

Also please dont listen to the nay sayers. You guys are doing a kickass job

Hikaru Sulu
Caldari
Black Legion Industries
Posted - 2010.03.03 00:12:00 - [317]
 

The Scorpion model I always thought was charmingly quirky due to its asymmetry.

I think the Raven's just makes it look like it has down syndrome.

Nothing against the new model, I love it, BUT DO THE RAVEN TOO. It shoulda been done first.

HeliosGal
Caldari
Posted - 2010.03.03 06:44:00 - [318]
 

the old scorpian model could perhaps be used for some new factional battleship somewhere along the line perhaps

Planetary Genocide
Gallente
White Sail Anarchists
Yarr Collective
Posted - 2010.03.03 19:01:00 - [319]
 

Originally by: HeliosGal
the old scorpian model could perhaps be used for some new factional battleship somewhere along the line perhaps


Rather a Cruiser... seeing as it apparently "Doesn't have the weight of a battleship." That was the only part of it that I didn't understand, it looked like a battleship, just not that good-looking of one.

While I do enjoy the redesign of the Scorpion, I realized now that it no longer has that "utilitarian" look of most Caldari ships, it does look a bit more fantasy-ized.

Erik Finnegan
Gallente
Polytechnique Gallenteenne
Posted - 2010.03.04 12:25:00 - [320]
 

Symmetry is for art novices. Twisted Evil

Mydazx
Posted - 2010.03.04 19:03:00 - [321]
 

You should make a mission out of the refit for existing Scorps & faction models. Issue a "product recall" for them & have the owners report particular stations to have it changed. That way those who like the old model can keep it. ugh

Danesta Rictor
Posted - 2010.03.04 19:37:00 - [322]
 

OMG PLZPLZPLZPLZPLZPLZPLZ do this to the raven nextVery Happy

Arbitoress
Gallente
Posted - 2010.03.05 17:50:00 - [323]
 

Edited by: Arbitoress on 05/03/2010 17:52:01
Could you please, for the love of GOD, fix the Hyperion skin?

Look at the Thorax and then the Hyperion, the window sizes are grossly disproportional, the texture quality seems blown up on the Hyperion in comparison to the detail on the Thorax (which is still even lacking now).

So please, don't JUST do this ship, take a look at the rest of them too and maybe make some improvements elseware.

Excellent work though, keep it up!


*Edit* The windows on the Hyperion are roughly 3 stories high each.

Atrossoe
Gallente
Lost Nomads
Posted - 2010.03.06 04:53:00 - [324]
 

This is incredibly informative. I do just have one question though for the dev's, Are we as corporations or alliance going to be able to add a thumbnail of our corporations or alliances symbol onto the side or wings of our ships? Because this would be particularly useful in combat situations of up close and personal combat. You could link the texture directly to the players character that is currently inhabiting/using said ship in order to keep the symbol only on the ships of those players.

just some food for thought.

Lusulpher
Gallente
Posted - 2010.03.06 10:47:00 - [325]
 

Originally by: Zebramind
Edited by: Zebramind on 02/03/2010 11:15:00
Wow, this sucks.

"Improving" something iconic takes understanding of what makes the thing stand out in the first place. How the f*** can you seriously go and change one of the most interesting hulls in EVE from asymmetric, weathered and very believeable into this piece of phoney Lego ****?

Just fix the lousy texturing. That would do it. And the Raven while you are at it.

*sigh*

edit: Come on CCP. The old Caldari BS designs - Raven, Scorpion - have been signatures of EVE. Because they have edge, myth - all sorts of stories in them. The new Scorpion looks like something Mattel came up with to woo 8-year olds. -=TRANSFORMERS=- yeah!
But maybe it really is an attempt to dumb down design to have broader appeal. Mainstreaming EVE. Then good job. You will open yourself up for competition, though.


"Emo much, Zebramind?" Nope - but I see this as part of a tendency which I find harmful to a brilliant creative vision. And now I hear marketing talking in the background. Makes me upset. (in game) :)

So. Will there be little EVE blisterpacks with spaceships in them? For the 8-year olds.



And they nerfed the Hyperion skin's res when Trinity hit. Have you seen what they did to the Fed Navy Mega?? Comet skins on all our ships, NEVER gonna happen, but the Imperial Navy has them now anyway...

cBOLTSON
Star Frontiers
Posted - 2010.03.06 12:55:00 - [326]
 

All I can say is WOW!!!!!!!1111!!!!11!!!1!!!!!!!1111

That actually looks like a scorpion. Awesome ccp art team!

Hell SPRUCE UP ALL THIS SHIPS AS GOOD AS THIS!!

And the new texture system looks a lot cleaner.. very nice =)

Shira'v'Dhraal
Posted - 2010.03.08 09:36:00 - [327]
 

Please, don't use the camo, it's terrible. Otherwise the new model is great (when not painted as a jungle Rambo wanabee).


Lone Provider
Posted - 2010.03.08 19:41:00 - [328]
 

Can you have a go at the Dominix please, not too drastic-

1/ Skin similar to the Proteus

2/ Stretched lengthways abit

3/ Maybe a visable bay opening like on the carriers

Lone Provider
Posted - 2010.03.09 11:47:00 - [329]
 

Originally by: Lone Provider
Can you have a go at the Dominix please, not too drastic-

1/ Skin similar to the Proteus

2/ Stretched lengthways abit

3/ Maybe a visable bay opening like on the carriers



Something like this DOMI

Lusulpher
Gallente
Posted - 2010.03.10 01:54:00 - [330]
 

Edited by: Lusulpher on 10/03/2010 02:05:41
Originally by: Lone Provider
Originally by: Lone Provider
Can you have a go at the Dominix please, not too drastic-

1/ Skin similar to the Proteus

2/ Stretched lengthways abit

3/ Maybe a visable bay opening like on the carriers



Something like this DOMI



I can't zoom properly on those, upload to EVE Files.
Shorten the length and expand the opening a smidge. Maybe even place them halfway recessed in the hull on both sides, or just 1[organic, asymmetric]

And need a slight curve. And a few of those epic nostril flares the others have. Nvrmd, they are supposed to be blasterboats.
The Domi is a distance ship, she regally slaughters and wipes her bloody fingers off with a napkin, and if she has to, cruise slowly in, and utilize some hybrid jugular biting. That's why she looks like a cruiseship.

And the smileyface Vexor...w.t.f. Almost as the Hyperion without the seal oil black render.[Lilly blue Hyperion Sad ]
Classic Vexor had 6 arachnid eyes, no "mouth", the drones came from the bay[mouth] and they were the "teeth". I understood that artistic logic, I cannot comprehend the smileyface for a first time Vexor PvPer. A promise of fun?? The fights can go 2 ways...



Originally by: Mashie Saldana
OMG, the one-eyed designer has been sacked!!!

Symmetrical ships ftw.


I take offense to that!

YARRRR!!


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