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ShadoJak
Posted - 2010.09.06 20:22:00 - [481]
 

Originally by: Aeris Louise
With regards to the upcoming test, I'd rather have 200k SP on TQ than 2mil on Sisi. Might look like a compromise from your point of view CCP, but I would prefer some sort of reward that is actually usable on the main server :(

Is this 2mil a permanent addition, or wiped on the next mirror?


^^ agreed

Especially since the impeding next SISI mirror will wipe out those 2M SP. All that 2M would do now is allow your SISI copy to catch up to your TQ pilot.

Daenna Chrysi
Amarr
Omega Foundry Unit
Shadows Of Betrayal
Posted - 2010.09.06 21:30:00 - [482]
 

so many pages to read, and I am too tired to read them all, just curious, is there going to be a up to date patch for macs as well or is this winblows only test?

Cal Menahr
Posted - 2010.09.07 00:53:00 - [483]
 

Originally by: Aeris Louise
With regards to the upcoming test, I'd rather have 200k SP on TQ than 2mil on Sisi. Might look like a compromise from your point of view CCP, but I would prefer some sort of reward that is actually usable on the main server :(


same here. it's not like we would be playing on sisi ...

Anddeh McNab
Cadre Assault Force
Posted - 2010.09.07 08:27:00 - [484]
 

Going to have to agree unfortunately. I can full understand CCP's mentality in wanting to provide some incentive for people to get involved in mass tests (aside from some the knowledge that you've help to try to defeat the monster Lagdor the Immortal). To be honest, 2 million skillpoints isn't going to get you all that much for older players with 40+ million SP but would mean more to newer players. So perhaps if you really wanted to follow this route then a percentage increase in SP might be an idea. Some ISK as well would seem a good idea too but it's fairly redundant with everything being 100ISK on Sisi.

Maybe reward people with medals on TQ? It isn't "free ****" so it doesn't screw with balance.

Servant's Lord
Posted - 2010.09.07 13:21:00 - [485]
 

First off...Im looking forward to the 2mil SP, it'll basically fast-track me a couple weeks/month or w/e ahead in training so I can test out a leviathan on sisi....also for those of us with supercaps(I currently have an SC) can we get a cynotrain or w/e to fd- and/or get moved by gms / get new ships spawned in system or w/e? :P

-Servant's Lord

Aniikin
Posted - 2010.09.07 16:25:00 - [486]
 

To be fair SISI skill points, as nice as they are seem pointless to me. They do allow you to jump ahead to a degree and try new things in advance. I would like to see skill points for TQ mainly as an incentive to be dragged away from it to provide my time to assist in beta testing patch/fix functionality.

Buckaroo Kamakazee
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2010.09.07 16:28:00 - [487]
 

Quote:
All participants will receive 2 million test server (Singularity-only) skillpoints as a reward.


And the next job I do, I expect them to pay me with Monopoly money too Rolling Eyes. 2 million sp on Sisi is useless. I would have come on the mass testing, as I have in the past. But this insult of an "incentive" has made me determine that I will not be on the test or on future ones.

Leviathanes
Posted - 2010.09.07 17:10:00 - [488]
 

mac users are as of this moment unable to get on sisi, because of the "crash after login bug"
can this be fixed before september 9th?

Apple Buttom
Posted - 2010.09.07 19:18:00 - [489]
 

really? When they mirror those bonus points will go zap so really it is a one time opportunity to test what 2 mil sp do to something. Quite frankly I don't know why they don't just have everyone start with 40 mil SP in the Sp pool to distribute when they mirror. Allow for everyone to test anything.

A lot of games on the test server let you set your skills up or down to whatever so you can try out things, the skill point pool they implemented seems like a nice shortcut implementation wise to offer this.

Anyway, participating in mass testing is a pain in the arse, it take 1.5 hours and is very boring. But I do want the system to get better, so provided some incentive i'd be all over it. I need some type of reward on tranquility, and that is exactly what they are opposed to, and I don't really get why. Hell give every mass tester another special addition worthless shuttle. FFS anything.

Invictra Atreides
Caldari
Posted - 2010.09.07 20:08:00 - [490]
 

2mil is still better than nothing. But to rly get ppl going to the Mass tests you will need to reward ppl on the TQ server. Like if you have been in 3 tests then you can change your avatar picture or something. And at the end of the test let evryone take a short survey like the one you got for trial accounts "EVE Online: survey invitation". I'ts probably better than to let everyone write in the forum about how they felt about it.

Mr SmartGuy
Posted - 2010.09.07 20:46:00 - [491]
 

Oh, stop crying. I think that the bonus is great and will try to be there.

Aeris Louise
Posted - 2010.09.08 04:38:00 - [492]
 

Originally by: Mr SmartGuy
Oh, stop crying. I think that the bonus is great and will try to be there.


Your bonus will last two weeks tops. It's not great, don't you see that? They will go bye-bye in a very short space of time, and unless you regularly go onto Sisi they're a complete waste of time. Sure, there will be the novelty factor - but how much does someone need to test something?? An hour tops to suss out what you need to do - and in an environment where everything costs 100isk, no more - and then you're back on TQ.

It's not like 2mil will even get you that far - to take [racial]BS 4 to [racial]BS 5, that's 1.68mil SP gone straight away. How many people will have the battleship trained to 5 already unless they regularly fly one or already have a cap ship? Most people will have it to 4. I use BS as an example because everyone's gonna want to train up for a cap ship of some sort with their free SP. They'll load up [racial]BS 5 with free SP and then go "Oh, I've almost run out." And that's their two weeks of free SP wasted.

NurseBob
Gallente
Toxic State
Posted - 2010.09.08 11:07:00 - [493]
 

stop moaning about the sp, jeesh... u dont have to come. the real reward is ccp collecting the data they need to improve the game.

Yeay Fritg
Caldari
Confrerie de Kaedri
Cluster Of Rebirth
Posted - 2010.09.08 13:21:00 - [494]
 

Invictra Atreides,

I checked the survey link.

The question are not at all related to game satisfaction.

All they wan to know is more about their potentiel 'new player' to attract more of them.

When a true satisfaction Poll CCP ?

Yeay

Invictra Atreides
Caldari
Posted - 2010.09.08 17:25:00 - [495]
 

Originally by: Yeay Fritg
Invictra Atreides,

I checked the survey link.

The question are not at all related to game satisfaction.

All they wan to know is more about their potentiel 'new player' to attract more of them.

When a true satisfaction Poll CCP ?

Yeay

Ah yes ... I'm sorry ... I didn't mean it that way. It was more meant as an example. Of course the questions would need to be changed accordingly. My thought was that it would be more efficient and a lot faster to answer questions trough a survey than to spam in the forums. That data is also more readable and easier to use.

Grozen
Caldari
Titan Core
Posted - 2010.09.08 19:08:00 - [496]
 

yea you really need to give sp for tq if you want people to attend..

Master Ventress
Posted - 2010.09.08 22:42:00 - [497]
 

Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro
I doubt that any alliance is going to want to commit any significant fraction of their pilots to a test server fleet fight at a known time and date, as this would be an ideal opportunity for other people to attack their strategic assets.

I would suggest having the mass test coincide with a downtime on TQ, possibly shifting the usual downtime so that it takes place during peak player hours. This would be a welcome break for the Aussies and will encourage many more people, who might not otherwise want to get involved, to take part.




I agree the mass test would be an excellent diversion if someone wanted to attack any assets, if the test coincides with a TQ downtime this might provide more of an incentive for pilots to join the mass test.

ShadoJak
Posted - 2010.09.08 22:42:00 - [498]
 

Originally by: Servant's Lord
First off...Im looking forward to the 2mil SP, it'll basically fast-track me a couple weeks/month
-Servant's Lord


EVEMon indicates that it's worth about ~6 weeks for me. SISI mirror is at least 4 weeks behind TQ, and with the numerous patching and login difficulties over the last month, most pilots will not have advanced far from that mirror. The current offer comes down to a catchup with some leftover. I can well remember getting to a point on SISI after some time spent, enjoying the new ship or opportunity in one session, and finding out the next login that a mirror has occured....I have a few memories in fact.

Something useful on TQ would work better to get me to put up with SISI some more, at least CCP recognizes that problem and has offered some compensation.

Kail Storm
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2010.09.08 23:25:00 - [499]
 

Edited by: Kail Storm on 08/09/2010 23:31:28


Do we have to use log server, or can we just show up at time and place and help out?

Its a little confusing, but I just want to help out and rake in some sp`S FOR MY 3 ACCOUNTS.

Also since mirror was last month we already lost alot of SP`s, Plus since its a month already our 1 Mil SP we get cant be far from getting mirrored and whiping our new SP`s, why not Mirror it then give 2 mil and bam we get to use our points for the longest time there is.

Also it only seems logical that we get 2 Mi lsp`s to our Now 1+ Mil toons that arent mirrored.
Its really like giving us 1 mil sp free. Please mirror it soon after test but before we get SP.

But please someone tell me can I just show up or do i need Log Server?

How hard is mirroring really? And with the few net patches dont we want to see equal performance?


Rocket Dog
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.09.09 14:22:00 - [500]
 

If one logs in 40 odd jumps away from the planned Test system, is it necessary to jump all the way there or will all logged characters be moved prior to the test?
Sorry if this has been covered but I have not the patience to go through 17 pages to see.



Ervol Libra
Amarr
Pinky and the Brain corp
Posted - 2010.09.09 14:54:00 - [501]
 

its a tad late for ppl living in europe, theres a 2 hour difference with UTC, woulda been better if the test was at 1800

Lunatitch
In Memory of ComTech
Posted - 2010.09.09 15:18:00 - [502]
 

Is there anything I need to do (except run the SiSi Client & LogServer) or can I just show up in the Test System and X-up?

Kasissa
Posted - 2010.09.09 15:27:00 - [503]
 

Originally by: Rocket Dog
If one logs in 40 odd jumps away from the planned Test system, is it necessary to jump all the way there or will all logged characters be moved prior to the test?



There is a special channel you can connect to and the devs will move you over to the test system.

Chranas
Posted - 2010.09.09 16:04:00 - [504]
 

You should make it so we get the skill pionts on the Tranquility server,that way you would get alot more people to do the mass test. To be honest i think people woud rather just stay on TQ and use the time making money rather than doing the test, it just seems that a 2mil sp boost on the test server is abit piontless. ugh

SlayerOfArgus
Gallente
Hermes Enterprises
Posted - 2010.09.09 16:21:00 - [505]
 

ExclamationExclamationExclamationExclamationExclamation IMPORTANT INFORMATION ExclamationExclamationExclamationExclamationExclamation

CCP has created a program called Sisilauncher that helps with the installation with sisi. It has worked very well for me and many others. It's still in beta form so it's not perfect yet. Always try and use this program first before doing anything with the sisi client if the client is not working. For instance, my client had a different build so it was saying I had to download the client all over again. I ran the launcher and it has kept me from having to download the thing all over again.
Here is the link to download it: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1377944

There are a few important ingame channels that can help you get information about the mass test.
Masstesting - This channel is usually used by CCP to relay instructions to the players about the steps that will happen next during the test.
Moveme - This channel has either a bot or CCP person and they will move you to the destination of the test.
There are also usually two fleet channels where you can go and asked to be moved into a certain fleet. They vary but usually are fleet x and fleet y.

Also, CCP has now started giving 2 million skillpoints for each time you come to the mass testing. The skillpoints probably do disappear after a new mirror but they are still nice. I know that the skillpoints from the last test have stayed until this test.

PS: It is VERY helpful if you create a bugreport. Information for creating one is here in this thread: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=585921


EZ Windy
Posted - 2010.09.09 16:24:00 - [506]
 

There appears to be a new Singularity Client Update (as of 9 Sep). You might want to give yourselves an extra 30 minutes if you plan taking part in the masstesting.

Daedalus II
Helios Research
Posted - 2010.09.09 16:30:00 - [507]
 

How are we helping if we bring capital ships (which we are allowed to bring as per the OP)? Capital ships can't jump through gates so how are they supposed to help testing that part?

I'm just wondering if I should bring a cap or not.

SlayerOfArgus
Gallente
Hermes Enterprises
Posted - 2010.09.09 16:33:00 - [508]
 

Originally by: Daedalus II
How are we helping if we bring capital ships (which we are allowed to bring as per the OP)? Capital ships can't jump through gates so how are they supposed to help testing that part?

I'm just wondering if I should bring a cap or not.


Yeah people bring them all the time. Cap ships still help because you still have to jump per se and load the grid and all that.

Daedalus II
Helios Research
Posted - 2010.09.09 16:35:00 - [509]
 

Originally by: SlayerOfArgus
Originally by: Daedalus II
How are we helping if we bring capital ships (which we are allowed to bring as per the OP)? Capital ships can't jump through gates so how are they supposed to help testing that part?

I'm just wondering if I should bring a cap or not.


Yeah people bring them all the time. Cap ships still help because you still have to jump per se and load the grid and all that.

Ok, but how do I jump then? Is some helpful soul going to pop a cyno on the other side or what?

SlayerOfArgus
Gallente
Hermes Enterprises
Posted - 2010.09.09 16:36:00 - [510]
 

Originally by: Daedalus II
Originally by: SlayerOfArgus
Originally by: Daedalus II
How are we helping if we bring capital ships (which we are allowed to bring as per the OP)? Capital ships can't jump through gates so how are they supposed to help testing that part?

I'm just wondering if I should bring a cap or not.


Yeah people bring them all the time. Cap ships still help because you still have to jump per se and load the grid and all that.

Ok, but how do I jump then? Is some helpful soul going to pop a cyno on the other side or what?


Yeah usually CCP has a cyno set up for the cap ships and can give you extra fuel/cap if you need it to jump. It may take a minute for them to get to you but they will. If you want less hassle, bring a BS.


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