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Nebulous
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2010.02.09 21:14:00 - [1]
 

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Above are some links to a court case in America where a brave man stands up for his rights, it shows just how corrupt and dis-honourable courts are run in both America and other parts of the world (including the UK where I live), over the last year or so I have been getting involved a lot with the freeman movement, it is a movement based upon the fact that common law is the only true jurasdiction and so called "statute acts" that claim to have the weight of law are actually BS, and are used as an attempt to steal your money and stuff.

People who stand up for their rights are the true heroes and freedom fighters of our time, not a bunch of people in camouflage stood in a desert with a rifle.

If you ever end up in court for an offence related to a statute act then ask the judge if you are entitled to a fair trial? They will always say yes! after this ask them who they represent? They will either ignore/not answer the question, or tell you they represent the very same people who are trying to prosecute you, so how can you get a fair trial?

Another thing for you to ponder when you get a fine or penalty notice is this, taken from the Bill of rights act 1689.

"That all grants and promises of fines and forfeitures of particular persons before conviction are illegal and void".

Some people believe that modern statute acts repeal the "The Bill Of Rights" but they do not, a normal statute can be repealed but a constitutional statute (which the bill of rights is) can not be.




Culmen
Caldari
Culmenation
Posted - 2010.02.09 21:32:00 - [2]
 

My first impression of that guys is
"LOL! N00B"
Judging from the video, that man is expecting the courts to work like TV and resolve his case within 1 hour including time for commercials.
Reality does not work that way, there's paper work and procedures that allow the legal system to actually function.
He has no idea how a trial or courts function.

Toshiro GreyHawk
Posted - 2010.02.10 04:47:00 - [3]
 


Eh ...

I remember a movie that came out within the last year or so about a small inventor taking on a big car company that stole his idea. The movie commercials (I ... did not bother to go see this movie ...) made out like it was about the triumph of the small man (with his devoted, loving family) over the big car company.

This movie was based on a true story.

In the true story ... the guy actually did win a judgment against the car company ... but in the process he became so obsessed with his case that he could speak of nothing else and alienated everyone one he knew, including his entire family. Then - the lawyers he had took all the money - and then he was trying to sue them ... but I never heard how that worked out ...

What's that Katie Couric allegedly said ... "you can't let the facts get in the way of a good story ..."


Locus Bey
Gallente
OCA2
Posted - 2010.02.10 05:15:00 - [4]
 

Fantastic. One of the best videos I've seen. Loved it.

Nebulous
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2010.02.10 05:38:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Nebulous on 10/02/2010 05:38:45
Originally by: Culmen
My first impression of that guys is
"LOL! N00B"
Judging from the video, that man is expecting the courts to work like TV and resolve his case within 1 hour including time for commercials.
Reality does not work that way, there's paper work and procedures that allow the legal system to actually function.
He has no idea how a trial or courts function.



By law mate you should be able to get a court case like this dropped in minutes, the guy repeatedly asks the judge to prove jurasdiction, she can not prove it because she simply can not, instead she is trying to trick him into "giving them jurasdiction", she even repeatedly ignores his valid questions, at the end of the day if he had no idea what he was doing and everything he did was wrong then he would have been charged with contempt.

It might shatter the illusion that both you and I have been spoonfed our whole lives that you should bow down and kiss the ring of the courts and abide by their statutes, but you do not have to, common law is the only true law of the land.

Culmen
Caldari
Culmenation
Posted - 2010.02.10 07:04:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Nebulous

By law mate you should be able to get a court case like this dropped in minutes, the guy repeatedly asks the judge to prove jurasdiction, she can not prove it because she simply can not, instead she is trying to trick him into "giving them jurasdiction", she even repeatedly ignores his valid questions, at the end of the day if he had no idea what he was doing and everything he did was wrong then he would have been charged with contempt.

It might shatter the illusion that both you and I have been spoonfed our whole lives that you should bow down and kiss the ring of the courts and abide by their statutes, but you do not have to, common law is the only true law of the land.


I'll be the first to admit that I only really watched the first video.
My impression was formed mainly from the accused repeatedly saying "OBJECTION!"
Like he was expecting this to happen.

I'm under no illusion that the courts are a corrupt cesspit of back dealing and corporate sponsorship.
But since his eve equivalent would be a moron showing up to a fleet op in a ratting raven.
I think he would have been far better off hiring someone who knew what was going on.
IE somebody with education on laws
training in procedures
and real experience in court room beyond re-runs of "The Practice"
I think there's a name for that profession....

Horza Gelian
GangBangers
Huzzah Federation
Posted - 2010.02.10 13:26:00 - [7]
 

So, do we get a definition of this Freeman's Law? Or a manifesto? My Google fu is lacking and all I can find are astronomical terms, and people ranting how 'totally super awesome' it is.

Nebulous
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2010.02.10 18:02:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Nebulous on 10/02/2010 18:11:21
Originally by: Culmen
I think he would have been far better off hiring someone who knew what was going on.
IE somebody with education on laws
training in procedures



That just adds to the problem though, people believing they need a lawyer/solicitor/legal representitive to help them, only when caught up in a common law violation should you need to do this, you forget that it is a lawyers job like everyone elses to make money, if they went into every court room and challenged the courts own jurasdiction and got all the cases closed within a few minutes then you would soon find we would have to many lawyers compared to the amount of trials running, then the pay for doing such a job would plummet.

All people need to do is buy a decent book on law and educate themselves on their rights, it is all there in black and white, you don't need a certificate or qualification to know the law, I can make a good sandwich but I do not have qualification to say as such.

While the guy in the video could have done a few things better it took a tremendous amount of guts to stand up for his rights in the way he did and effectively a number of times pushed the judge into awkward silences, he didnt leave the court with the decision he wanted but neither did he leave with a judgement against him and he will always leave without a judgement against him. Because the courts are cowards, they will just keep calling him back, in the hope he will simply breakdown and submit, a disgusting way to treat the citizens of so-called proud nations that constantly spurt out the word "freedom".

If you take nothing else from the videos just take away from it the fact that your do not have "freedom" as long as the courts behave in this manner, you do not have "freedom" as long as your governments try to steal your money and stuff by using statutes.

To put it simply, by "RIGHTS" if you do not kill, harm or cause loss to another "PERSON" then you should never end up in court.

Culmen
Caldari
Culmenation
Posted - 2010.02.10 18:39:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: Culmen on 10/02/2010 18:48:44
Edited by: Culmen on 10/02/2010 18:42:32
Originally by: Nebulous
should you need to do this, you forget that it is a lawyers job like everyone elses to make money, if they went into every court room and challenged the courts own jurasdiction and got all the cases closed within a few minutes then you would soon find we would have to many lawyers compared to the amount of trials running, then the pay for doing such a job would plummet.

All people need to do is buy a decent book on law and educate themselves on their rights, it is all there in black and white, you don't need a certificate or qualification to know the law, I can make a good sandwich but I do not have qualification to say as such.



Following your logic, if you have a burst appendix, don't see a surgeon.
After all a surgeon's job is to make money, and if he cures you quickly he will be out of a job.
All people need to do is buy a copy of grey's anatomy (both the actual text book and the DVD box set) and educate themselves on all the obviously simple anatomy.
After all, you're just navigating through a very complex system, there's stuff that's clearly not your appendix, you can just skip all that stuff. You don't need to sit through 4 years of med school + undergrad for a worthless certificate.

Nebulous
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2010.02.10 19:22:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Nebulous on 10/02/2010 19:26:37
Originally by: Culmen
Edited by: Culmen on 10/02/2010 18:48:44
Edited by: Culmen on 10/02/2010 18:42:32
Originally by: Nebulous
should you need to do this, you forget that it is a lawyers job like everyone elses to make money, if they went into every court room and challenged the courts own jurasdiction and got all the cases closed within a few minutes then you would soon find we would have to many lawyers compared to the amount of trials running, then the pay for doing such a job would plummet.

All people need to do is buy a decent book on law and educate themselves on their rights, it is all there in black and white, you don't need a certificate or qualification to know the law, I can make a good sandwich but I do not have qualification to say as such.



Following your logic, if you have a burst appendix, don't see a surgeon.
After all a surgeon's job is to make money, and if he cures you quickly he will be out of a job.
All people need to do is buy a copy of grey's anatomy (both the actual text book and the DVD box set) and educate themselves on all the obviously simple anatomy.
After all, you're just navigating through a very complex system, there's stuff that's clearly not your appendix, you can just skip all that stuff. You don't need to sit through 4 years of med school + undergrad for a worthless certificate.


This could end up going in a lot of circles if we go down this road Culmen, at the end of the day it should be everyones prerogative to learn and know their rights, knowing your rights is nowhere near as complex as knowing every aspect of every law. The guy in the video did not know much about the law, but he knew "his rights", that is why he was able to stand up for himself so well.

Edit: I can almost %100 gurantee you that if he had gone into that court room with a lawyer representing him he would have left with a judgement against him and some large legal bills, all the lwayer would have done is strike some sort of deal that would have only softened the blow.

Culmen
Caldari
Culmenation
Posted - 2010.02.10 19:31:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Nebulous

This could end up going in a lot of circles if we go down this road Culmen, at the end of the day it should be everyones prerogative to learn and know their rights, knowing your rights is nowhere near as complex as knowing every aspect of every law. The guy in the video did not know much about the law, but he knew "his rights", that is why he was able to stand up for himself so well.


Agreed. While it's essential to know your rights. I believe if you don't get professional advice you forfeit any ability to complain about the process being drawn out and miserable.

After all, if your septic tank backs up, you call in professionals. But if you decided to open it up yourself with nothing but a "Septic Tank's For Dummies" book. You have no right to complain about it taking ages and you winding up covered in sh*t.
You'll still probably fix it in the end, and you'll most likely save a bundle. But a professional would do it faster and easier, and of course you wont end up covered in sh*t.

It took courage, I'd given him that. But it seems all heart and no head, which is why I didn't continue.
And just as a little aside, anyone who wears a fez in this day and age deserves a bullet to the face.

Locus Bey
Gallente
OCA2
Posted - 2010.02.10 21:47:00 - [12]
 

The guy is a member of the Moorish Church, without that info, this makes less sense to many watching it I would assume.
Calman I don't get your beef with this guy. He obviously knows his stuff, his argument is sound, and the judge is trying to put one over him.

Jago Kain
Amarr
Ramm's RDI
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2010.02.11 18:50:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Culmen
...And just as a little aside, anyone who wears a fez in this day and age deserves a bullet to the face.


What? Just like that?



Nebulous
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2010.02.11 19:23:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Jago Kain

What? Just like that?






Hehe! I wonder how many people will get what you mean Very Happy

Jago Kain
Amarr
Ramm's RDI
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2010.02.11 21:46:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Nebulous
Originally by: Jago Kain

What? Just like that?






Hehe! I wonder how many people will get what you mean Very Happy


If it was only you it was worth the effort Very Happy



Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
Posted - 2010.02.11 22:03:00 - [16]
 

Both Culmen and Nebulous are in the right in their views. One should know their rights, but getting yourself a lawyer will expedite the process. If the lawyer starts to do something that you know is violating your rights then you can take it up with him. Both aspects are covered in a fairly fluid system.

But you have to know your rights first before you can exercise them. Just getting a lawyer is not going to guarantee you will not be violated.


Slade

Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
Posted - 2010.02.11 22:39:00 - [17]
 

Totally confused with the videos. He's claiming he's not under the jurisdiction of some new jersey court because of the moroccan-american friendship treaty of 1787 and he's not part of our society? Huh?

Also, i find myself agreeing with whoever said that a man who represents himself has a fool for a client

Nebulous
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2010.02.12 05:40:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Chaos Incarnate
Totally confused with the videos. He's claiming he's not under the jurisdiction of some new jersey court because of the moroccan-american friendship treaty of 1787 and he's not part of our society? Huh?


Yes but is he really claiming he is not part of the jurasdiction? He is merely asking for proof! This she repeatedly fails to do, instead she asks him to fill out some form which will in turn force him under her jurasdiction.

It is not only a Moorish person that can argue this, anyone can, some of the freeman trials I have seen and heard about in the UK have done exactly this, a freeman society for example dictates that you can only be tried for crimes that violate common law, which they are well within their rights to do, purely because it is a fact. The Magna Carta and The Bill Of rights protect you from almost any and all "statute acts".

A "defendant" is the subject of the court. By counterclaiming, and making sure in that counterclaim to (1) establish your standing as a member of your particualr society (2) to proceed in "this court of record", and (3) to challenge jurisdiction honourably (without argument) by willing to oblige so long as the original claiming party presents a "proof of claim" that you have submitted and consented to their positive "Law" that they are claiming you are subject to, then you are no longer the "subject" of the court as a "defendant", but you are the counterclaimant / counterplaintiff, and they are the "counter-defendant". They must then present a "proof of claim" that they have authority / jurisdiction over you before the court can proceed past this arraignment.


Originally by: Chaos Incarnate
Also, i find myself agreeing with whoever said that a man who represents himself has a fool for a client


That is your prerogative and I would never try to take that away from you, but I do at the same time feel sorry for you.

Nebulous
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2010.02.12 05:48:00 - [19]
 

Edited by: Nebulous on 12/02/2010 05:58:41
Originally by: Slade Trillgon
Both Culmen and Nebulous are in the right in their views. One should know their rights, but getting yourself a lawyer will expedite the process. If the lawyer starts to do something that you know is violating your rights then you can take it up with him. Both aspects are covered in a fairly fluid system.

But you have to know your rights first before you can exercise them. Just getting a lawyer is not going to guarantee you will not be violated.



I see the point you are trying to make Slade but it seems like a bit of an oxymoron, on the one hand you are saying you should know your rights, but on the other hand you are saying you should also use a lawyer, then use your knowledge of your rights to pull him up if he is "doing you wrong", why use a lawyer when you know your own rights?

As I said before I would definately use a representitive if I was up on a murder trial, because that is a common law violation, but a violation of a so called "statute law" is not actually a violation of anything, because it is not actually a law, next time you get a parking or speeding ticket through your door ask yourself this? What "CRIME" have I committed?(did you kill,harm or steal from someone?)

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