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SavageBastard
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.02.06 20:52:00 - [31]
 

Edited by: SavageBastard on 06/02/2010 20:53:52
Originally by: Biffa Buttocks
As a fairly new player to Eve I'm finding people's reactions to the twists and turns of Bob/IT and Goons confusing. On the one hand with Bob/IT everyone came out in sympathy (even it's enemies) when it hit hard times but now with Goons hitting the dirt everyone is simply laughing and gloating about it.

My (maybe naive) conclusion is the resilience of a large alliance isn't in it's size, strength or even the friendships between it's members, it has to be it's image, i.e. how it behaves and how it is percieved by the rest of the community, it's 'brand image' if you like, am I wrong? Shocked

Exclamation Btw, I'm making no judgements about IT or Goons, I've honestly had little experience of either...




We so badly need and want your sympathy can't you give us just a little?



Originally by: Ganymede21
BoB played the game as they should
Goons played the forums.



I remember hotdropping your posts, apparently.

rmfHorus
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2010.02.06 23:20:00 - [32]
 

Sorry guys but the error here is compare bob to it : and bob it/ to goonswarm.

BOB where an elite alliance of the past, that have win for much time thx to theyr coordination , high quality and relatively low number compared to theyr enemy. they lost to a new tactics : swarm tactics. they tried evolve themself and bring more and more pilots but was too late.

IT are bob transformed or better adapted to theyr enemys tactics, on a shorter version. IT is a copy of goonswarm tactics simply with better numbers/quality/ and with a much more active player base.

as goonswarm defeated in the past bob, on meta tactics, now IT defeat goonswarm on theyr "swarm" tactics.

both where victim of evolution.

Ivan Issaccs
Caldari
Point of No Return
Waterboard
Posted - 2010.02.06 23:21:00 - [33]
 

The average Goon is irritating.
The average BoB member is unseen until you make the effort to **** in their shoes.

Kushmir
Amarr
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.02.06 23:43:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Ivan Issaccs
The average Goon is irritating.
The average BoB member is unseen until you make the effort to **** in their shoes.


BoB=Goon

Laughing

Goose Hypocrisy
Caldari
Acquired Immunodeficiency Syndrome
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2010.02.07 00:05:00 - [35]
 

The difference between the two organizations are minimal at best, but they try hard to paint themselves as complete opposites.


Tector
Gallente
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.02.07 01:18:00 - [36]
 

Edited by: Tector on 07/02/2010 01:18:42
BoB ended because it tried to engage in the meta tactics its allies reviled, only to have the attempt backfire badly. Goonswarm ended because Goons are dumb.

Caleb Fury
Amarr
Reloaded.
Imperial 0rder
Posted - 2010.02.07 01:41:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: titanstory
Edited by: titanstory on 06/02/2010 18:00:06
Edited by: titanstory on 06/02/2010 17:57:46
how many thread about it and goon will you post on caod ? (its not only for you btw)

you know what about hem ? nothing so...

stop poasting if you dont know anything ty !

Originally by: Underlaget
IT/BOB = Respectable people on forums and in-game.
GOONS = Forum trolls.

Guess who I rooted for? :)


another it/bob alt...

Originally by: Jondar Valador
Edited by: Jondar Valador on 06/02/2010 15:50:30
I think everyone hates Goons because they can spell. I know I do.

e: spellign


you know goon ?
they'r good alliés anyway and i love them. goons foreverCool


Underlaget is no BoB/IT alt.

Princess Jodi
Gallente
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2010.02.07 01:57:00 - [38]
 

Difference between the two? I was willing to kill Bob for free. Even Goon's allies would be willing to kill Goons for free.

Laughing o7 Goonie brosefs

Hideous Minx
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.02.07 02:11:00 - [39]
 

You're no Pandemic Legion.

laotse
Gallente
shangdi
Posted - 2010.02.07 02:37:00 - [40]
 

there is no diference goons didnt fly there and it isnt also they are allaince made of air only big on paper ShockedShocked

Brodde Dim
Gallente
Hyper-Nova
Posted - 2010.02.07 03:22:00 - [41]
 

The old BoB was feared in game. And managed to get a lot of enemies. But even with a huge portion of the 0.0 alliances teaming up, they were never defeated. I suppose a lot of people was sympathetic when a bored director decided to disband the alliance because he could. Everyone would have preferred fighting til the end.

Goons on the other hand, has never achieved anything in game. They are famous for meta gaming, forum trolling, and taking credit. Well, and being many, and still failing.

I think people just expect goons to fail, and expected BoB/IT to put up a fight. I guess you could call it a brand image if you want.

Jessica Carnius
Minmatar
Native Freshfood
Posted - 2010.02.07 03:33:00 - [42]
 

The biggest difference is simply posting style and how they they recruit that's really it. They have absorbed each others play style over the past few years.

Mystic Turtle
Minmatar
Trigrams Edge
Posted - 2010.02.07 06:46:00 - [43]
 

Actually the hatred for Goons started when Goons decided to mock a person who died in RL, I cant believe you people never even mentioned that, Bob dont just 'hate' people,..

I tried to find the thread initially where molle got ****ed at Goons stupid comments, I also tried to find the thread on gf.com where suas and darius say they need to spend the next few months derailing and stopping people from talking about it,..

NC disliked Bob purely because Vuk has always been jealous of Bob, since they achieved so much and Rawr didnt therefore the NC decided it was best to team up with Goons, TCF at this point was in the south chest beating making it sound like they were useful,..

After a while and after MANY failed invasions in Delve, Bob and AAA went after Goons, TCF within a month get nuked to the North (best fail ever), Goons are reduced to 10 ->> 20 systems (this was about Jan last year),..

Goons then desperately find a way to work with this and they find one of their elite members working with Haargoth in RL, at this point Haargoth has been inactive for months, he then accepts about £2000 in RL to disband Bob, upon disbanding he then immediately goes inactive, in short Haargoth (including alts) had a total of 1 week play time in 2 years,..

Goons then buy time in their demise and have NC, KIA, ZAF, SPLOT and a **** load of other people to help them take down Bob,..

Bob may have lose its sov but loyality was still somewhat strong, it took upto June 09 before Bob decided theres no point going against 90% of Eden and fall back planning their next move,..

Bob then form as IT alliance and do exactly what was on their agenda, to take out Goons, PL and the other noobs in foutain, Delve, Querious and PB, with the help of allies such as sys-k, aaa, hun, aeturnus, blade etc,..

The battle is too easy, Goons are once again useless, PL caves incredebly fast and now delve is back in the hands of its rightful owner,..

TL;DR

Goons mock a dead person, NC likes this and makes the allies, Bob hates this and goes after them, few years later all we have learnt is NC fail, Goons no longer exist along with their crappy allies,..

Koronos
Minmatar
Interstellar eXodus
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2010.02.07 07:02:00 - [44]
 

lol @ thread. considered trying to explain things for historic purposes, but this is actually pretty perfect.
Originally by: rmfHorus
Sorry guys but the error here is compare bob to it : and bob it/ to goonswarm

BOB where an elite alliance of the past, that have win for much time thx to theyr coordination , high quality and relatively low number compared to theyr enemy. they lost to a new tactics : swarm tactics. they tried evolve themself and bring more and more pilots but was too late.

IT are bob transformed or better adapted to theyr enemys tactics, on a shorter version. IT is a copy of goonswarm tactics simply with better numbers/quality/ and with a much more active player base.

as goonswarm defeated in the past bob, on meta tactics, now IT defeat goonswarm on theyr "swarm" tactics.

both where victim of evolution.

Zlatorg
Caldari
Perkone
Posted - 2010.02.07 07:24:00 - [45]
 

Both alliances are crap and were formed simply to justify the existence of a lot of ******os that did not get laid in the previous years.


Deviana Sevidon
Gallente
Panta-Rhei
Butterfly Effect Alliance
Posted - 2010.02.07 07:50:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Underlaget
IT/BOB = Respectable people on forums and in-game.
GOONS = Forum trolls.

Guess who I rooted for? :)


Welcome to EVE, new player. :)

You must be very new if you actually believe what you say about BoB and IT.

OldPueblo
Gallente
Thunderwaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.02.07 09:09:00 - [47]
 

This is quite a thread.

Nemulus
Gallente
4S Corporation
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2010.02.07 15:57:00 - [48]
 

I would add that the main reason BoB was big news was that they were caught with CCP Dev's in their alliance early on and that has never really left them.

Whether they helped to make IT what it is now I couldn't tell you but that's why there was such big news about them imho.

Goons may have faults but I've yet to see proof that CCP funded them in anyway. Either way I don't care as every online game I have ever played had the biggest guilds/alliance/players sponsored or friends with the GM/DM/Dev team. Just life in the virtual world :).

Nem

Adeptus mecanicus
Caldari
The Flaming Sideburn's
Art of War Alliance
Posted - 2010.02.07 17:19:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: titanstory
Originally by: Mystic Turtle
Originally by: bobIT ambition
BOB/IT - Recruited thousands of pubbies with only the faintest grasp of how to play eve, followed by an army of sycophantic pets such as Sys K, Linguini Romania, BLAST, Aternus, -A-, AAA Citizens, UK etc etc. Took space.

Goons - Recruited thousands of pubbies with only the faintest grasp of how to play eve, followed by an army of sycophantic pets such as ZAF, KIA, PL, NC. Took space.

I fail to see much difference, maybe differing degrees of terribleness.


Compare a Goon op with an IT op then you will see a MAJOR difference,..

Its like when you are an IT op you know you are in safe hands, when you are in a Goon op you are wondering why Plague Black sounds so emo,..


IT op : kill and try to never loose ship
goon op : loosing ship is fun, and newbs op are very hilarous..

i vote for goon op, sorry




explains your progress vs darkside. Wink

Liebe DieBombe
Minmatar
GoonWaffe
SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
Posted - 2010.02.07 17:32:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: Mystic Turtle
words,..


Beep Beep.

Mystic Turtle
Minmatar
Trigrams Edge
Posted - 2010.02.07 17:47:00 - [51]
 

Originally by: Liebe DieBombe
Originally by: Mystic Turtle
words,..


Beep Beep.


The main thing you got the signature [,..] thats what counts,..

So like I asked Darius is TE could join SOLIDRAPINGBURNED and he hasnt replied guess he takes this game serious, so I apply to Band Of Brosefs and no reply still, so I apply to PL and no reply,..

Seems like all the reject alliances dont want me,.. Evil or Very Mad

Captain ULTIMATE
Amarr
DarkStar 1
Posted - 2010.02.07 19:30:00 - [52]
 

Let's be honest, the biggest difference between BoB and Goons is Goons are full of fatties whereas BoB is not.

Schani Kratnorr
Amarr
x13
Raiden.
Posted - 2010.02.07 21:27:00 - [53]
 

Edited by: Schani Kratnorr on 07/02/2010 21:27:16
Originally by: Biffa Buttocks
I've honestly had little experience of either...


If you really want to know, then you would need to experience both.

Alliance mechanics
Any comparison must focus on differences. Goonswarm alliance allowed more corporations than IT has or Band of Brothers did. The only disadvantage I can think of, is how coordination might have been adversely affected by the mess of "too many directors."

As it turned out however, the Goonswarm name was lost to an old alliancekiller - betrayal.

The posts...
Goonfleet and their swarm adopted a certain posting style, and for that they have been despised.
Band of Brothers were despised because their posting members revelled in envy. They played or asumed the role of "arrogant and evil," and for that they were despised and hated.

After claiming victory over the Evil BoB, many goons went out of their way to gloat, and appear arrogant and evil. Slowly forum sympathy for their organisation evaporated - it seems no one likes gloating... (a lesson well worth remembering.)

Why it is funny
Goons falling on their asses, loosing their alliance name, their space and their assets is very amusing. It is amusing because that is exactly what a lot of people found amusing about the way Band of Brothers lost their name.

It is perhaps even more funny because people remember the goons gloating a whole lot about how 'they alone killed bob.' Subtly forgetting their allies and the fact that they did not in fact 'kill bob,' merely took space from them.

When it comes down to it, it is all semantics. We can discuss and argue forever, but perhaps the difference can be illustrated by a quote.

From an anonymous source:
Quote:
I tell you it is hell being on Team Speak with Goons. They all talk **** constantly and now I have a headache!

Kushmir
Amarr
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.02.07 22:28:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: Schani Kratnorr
Edited by: Schani Kratnorr on 07/02/2010 21:27:16
Originally by: Biffa Buttocks
I've honestly had little experience of either...


If you really want to know, then you would need to experience both.

Alliance mechanics
Any comparison must focus on differences. Goonswarm alliance allowed more corporations than IT has or Band of Brothers did. The only disadvantage I can think of, is how coordination might have been adversely affected by the mess of "too many directors."

As it turned out however, the Goonswarm name was lost to an old alliancekiller - betrayal.

The posts...
Goonfleet and their swarm adopted a certain posting style, and for that they have been despised.
Band of Brothers were despised because their posting members revelled in envy. They played or asumed the role of "arrogant and evil," and for that they were despised and hated.

After claiming victory over the Evil BoB, many goons went out of their way to gloat, and appear arrogant and evil. Slowly forum sympathy for their organisation evaporated - it seems no one likes gloating... (a lesson well worth remembering.)

Why it is funny
Goons falling on their asses, loosing their alliance name, their space and their assets is very amusing. It is amusing because that is exactly what a lot of people found amusing about the way Band of Brothers lost their name.

It is perhaps even more funny because people remember the goons gloating a whole lot about how 'they alone killed bob.' Subtly forgetting their allies and the fact that they did not in fact 'kill bob,' merely took space from them.

When it comes down to it, it is all semantics. We can discuss and argue forever, but perhaps the difference can be illustrated by a quote.

From an anonymous source:
Quote:
I tell you it is hell being on Team Speak with Goons. They all talk **** constantly and now I have a headache!



Rifters at 30km on the Jita 4-4 undock.

Rikeka
Amarr
Eye of God
Intergalactic Exports Group
Posted - 2010.02.07 22:58:00 - [55]
 

Edited by: Rikeka on 07/02/2010 23:00:47
I like the bobbits more nowadays. They toned it down a lot in CAOD lately, kudos to them.
But only a short time ago they were just like the Goons are now (that is, CAOD spamming ****s).

Well, maybe not that bad.

But to go as far as say that the bobbits are the "good guys"... Nah Laughing



Nobani
Minmatar
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.02.07 23:38:00 - [56]
 

Originally by: Schani Kratnorr
From an anonymous source:
Quote:
I tell you it is hell being on Team Speak with Goons. They all talk **** constantly and now I have a headache!



I know he has a lot of alts, but DaBigRedBoat is not the entire alliance.

General Windypops
Gallente
The Littlest Hobos
En Garde
Posted - 2010.02.07 23:40:00 - [57]
 

Indeed, the historically definining traits of Goons vs Bob are:

- Goons created forum signatures to mock the death of a R/L BoB player
- Bob declared war on Goons in protest as CCP didn't prevent it
- Many years passed where BoB stood against huge numbers of blob enemies
- Goons paid off BoB director with R/L money to disband the alliance
- BoB took 6 months off to regroup as IT and attacked PL, Goons greatest allies
- PL folded and retreated within 2 weeks
- BoB/ IT launched offensive against Goons, Goons disbanded within 24 hours
- IT claimed all Goon / PL space




Captain ULTIMATE
Amarr
DarkStar 1
Posted - 2010.02.08 00:00:00 - [58]
 

I don't recall anyone ever proving he died, sounds like a big excuse to me. I mean who brings RL death into a video game, that's just absurd. Smoske I know you're playing on a different character and laughing about this, I'm calling you out.

Deviana Sevidon
Gallente
Panta-Rhei
Butterfly Effect Alliance
Posted - 2010.02.08 00:01:00 - [59]
 

Some more BoB/IT Traits

- BoB starts the capital Blob-Warfare by locking down EC-P8R, with the larges number or Players and Capitals so far, effectivly using Lag as a weapon, because it became impossible to enter the System.

- BoB attacks the former ally ASCN. supposedly because they were indeed the first to build a Titan, which the Bobbites Ego could not accept.

- War against ASCN starts. Exploiting on a level never seen before happens ingame, that turns fleet battles into turkey shootings. Gameplay mechanics like POS bowling, or shooting through POS shields while the shield is still active are introduced. Also the biggest smear campaign seen so far starts on the forum, with the goal to personally destroy the leaders of ASCN. The smear campaign and use of ingame exploits goes unchallenged by forum moderators and CCP staff. In fact the rumors that BoB had active help by CCP get new fuel.

- An EVE player named K reveals that several players inside BoB have direct connections to CCP, at the same time evidence is found that BoB members used their contacts to have a player from the events team fired, because he did not follow the "order" of a BoB directors-

- Infamous name Band of Developers is assigned to BoB. CCP admits that indeed one of their staff was cheating by handing T2 BPO to BoB. No one except the BoB fanbois believes that no other knowledge of game mechanics and upcoming changes were given to BoB firsthand.

- Use of exploits continues virtually unchallenged. using a spy and a loophole in aggression timer mechanics was used to kill the first Titans ingame.

- Still multiple alliances throw their worthless hides in front to help defend BoB/IT assets. BoD Fanbois swarm the forums in droves

Rikeka
Amarr
Eye of God
Intergalactic Exports Group
Posted - 2010.02.08 00:12:00 - [60]
 

Yes, seriously. Both sides suck. Laughing


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