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MegabitOne
Caldari
The Black Ops
Posted - 2011.08.02 21:53:00 - [391]
 

Originally by: Quakar
Originally by: Frater Patroabo
I'm also having the .mdb file issue as noted above, but was unable to find the file under Users. Reading that there is a major API change in the very near future, I will wait until you have had time to redo EWA and try again. I hope you do, because I'm very keen to use EWA. Thank you for all your work.


Also unable to find the .mdb file any ware under C:\users\[username]\appdata (checking in Local, roaming, ext as well)

I have two copies on my machine: one in C:\ProgramData\EVEWalletAware\DATA and another one in C:\Users\All Users\EVEWalletAware\DATA. Neither of 'm seems to work. I always get the 'Do you wish to browse...' message at startup, always mentioning the first of the paths above. I can choose the second one, but then it asks me to restart EWA (it really shouldn't since no database has been opened yet, right?!??), but in vain: it stubbornly keeps asking me to identify the path on start-up Rolling Eyes

Can you please write a decent installation routine?

Dirk Decibel
Posted - 2011.08.04 15:08:00 - [392]
 

Edited by: Dirk Decibel on 04/08/2011 15:16:31
Originally by: MegabitOne
Originally by: Quakar
Originally by: Frater Patroabo
I'm also having the .mdb file issue as noted above, but was unable to find the file under Users. Reading that there is a major API change in the very near future, I will wait until you have had time to redo EWA and try again. I hope you do, because I'm very keen to use EWA. Thank you for all your work.


Also unable to find the .mdb file any ware under C:\users\[username]\appdata (checking in Local, roaming, ext as well)

I have two copies on my machine: one in C:\ProgramData\EVEWalletAware\DATA and another one in C:\Users\All Users\EVEWalletAware\DATA. Neither of 'm seems to work. I always get the 'Do you wish to browse...' message at startup, always mentioning the first of the paths above. I can choose the second one, but then it asks me to restart EWA (it really shouldn't since no database has been opened yet, right?!??), but in vain: it stubbornly keeps asking me to identify the path on start-up Rolling Eyes

Can you please write a decent installation routine?


Same problem here, running windows 7, tried the 2 different database locations, neither of them works :(

Too bad. Looked like a great program.

Edit: are there any ppl here that managed to get it running on Win7 at all btw?

Dirk Decibel
Posted - 2011.08.05 09:38:00 - [393]
 

My incredible tiny brain took 3 days to think of switching to windows XP mode for EWA. It seems to do the trick though. Program just launched.

Commander Disarray
Posted - 2011.08.09 02:14:00 - [394]
 

Edited by: Commander Disarray on 09/08/2011 02:14:42
Possibly stupid question, but I'm trying to figure out what two columns represent in the wallet transactions window. I'm looking at the Price and Total columns.

Say I have a Cap Recharger II that shows like this under their respective columns:

Price
-473,088.15

Total
-477,109.40

Now, does this mean that my buy order was -473,088.15, and the total that I paid for it, which includes tax, broker fees, and change orders was -477,109.40 ???? Is that what it means?

Let's say I have a sell order that shows like this:

Price
542,984.95

Total
534,568.68

I think that may mean that I sold the item for the amount listed under price, but my total cost is the amount that's listed under Total?

That's confusing because I don't think my margin was THAT bad...


Hel O'Ween
Men On A Mission
EVE Trade Consortium
Posted - 2011.08.09 08:51:00 - [395]
 

Originally by: Commander Disarray

Say I have a Cap Recharger II that shows like this under their respective columns:

Price
-473,088.15

Total
-477,109.40

Now, does this mean that my buy order was -473,088.15, and the total that I paid for it, which includes tax, broker fees, and change orders was -477,109.40 ???? Is that what it means?



Yes, but without fees for changing orders. There's currently no way of linking those to a specific transaction.

Quote:

Price
542,984.95

Total
534,568.68

I think that may mean that I sold the item for the amount listed under price, but my total cost is the amount that's listed under Total?



Right again.

Quote:

That's confusing because I don't think my margin was THAT bad...



Keep two things in mind:

1) make sure you have set the skill levels for Broker Relation etc. right for that character (see Extras -> Options)

2) EWA estimates fees & taxes. While EWA gets the bare percentages right for the skills involved, it doesn't take your standing towards the NPC corp at the station where the transaction took place into account. It therefore assumes a standing of 0. You're real margin is most likely better than the one calculated by EWA.

Commander Disarray
Posted - 2011.08.09 15:03:00 - [396]
 

Originally by: Hel O'Ween


Keep two things in mind:

1) make sure you have set the skill levels for Broker Relation etc. right for that character (see Extras -> Options)

2) EWA estimates fees & taxes. While EWA gets the bare percentages right for the skills involved, it doesn't take your standing towards the NPC corp at the station where the transaction took place into account. It therefore assumes a standing of 0. You're real margin is most likely better than the one calculated by EWA.


That was my guess. Is there any way to add in a feature that will allow you to input your tax and broker rates? I'm guessing that would be kind of a huge undertaking because one would have to enter it in for every station he/she buys/sells at. Plus on your end too.

Ok assuming you can't do that, I guess this will involve some math, and another app called EVE Mentat. My goal is to figure out net profits and I'm having a hell of a time doing that.

I can't use the app right now, but is there a way to have the Total column just report what the Buy price was (without fees/taxes) for items for a given period of time? Like for a Cap Recharger II, I'd just like it to say that the Price was 520,000 and the Total without fees and taxes was 500,000. I think if it can do that, then I can get a gross profit for each item during a given period of time. EVE Mentat does not do that for each item; it is not able to calculate a sold item's buy price.

I can, however, use EVE Mentat to sum up all of my change orders, taxes, and fees for that same period of time and deduct that from my gross sales which I derive from WalletAware.

Does that sound right? Could I potentially come up with an accurate net profit number with that process? I guess it would depend on WalletAware's ability to be able to exclude fees/taxes out of the Total column and just have the item's buy price. If it doesn't do that already, would it be a great hassle to add that in?

Hel O'Ween
Men On A Mission
EVE Trade Consortium
Posted - 2011.08.09 15:58:00 - [397]
 

Edited by: Hel O''Ween on 09/08/2011 15:59:39
I guess you should spent some time digging through the options and filters.

Originally by: Commander Disarray

I can't use the app right now, but is there a way to have the Total column just report what the Buy price was (without fees/taxes) for items for a given period of time? Like for a Cap Recharger II, I'd just like it to say that the Price was 520,000 and the Total without fees and taxes was 500,000.



Yes. Disable broker fees and sales tax estimation in the options (Extras -> Options -> tab "Wallet / Assets") and in the wallet transaction window set the filter "Transaction Type" to "Buy" and "Item" to "Cap Recharger II".

Quote:

I can, however, use EVE Mentat to sum up all of my change orders, taxes, and fees for that same period of time and deduct that from my gross sales which I derive from WalletAware.



You can do the same filtering in the wallet journal window. There's also the two Balance sheets.

I admit the EWA menawhile is a "beast" in the sense that there are a couple of ways to skin the cat. You just need to find out which way is the best for you.

Commander Disarray
Posted - 2011.08.09 16:26:00 - [398]
 

Just one slight issue, the Wallet Journal isn't opening for me. I tried it last night and nothing happens. I think it was mentioned here before, not too many posts ago, and you had said there's an issue with it. I may have missed an update, or is it still experiencing issues?

Hel O'Ween
Men On A Mission
EVE Trade Consortium
Posted - 2011.08.09 21:18:00 - [399]
 

The issue still persists. Sometimes the (wallet journal) API returns results, sometimes an error. Just try downloading it again. It often doesn't work for the first try for me, querying it a second time works. But that might just be coincidence ...

Commander Disarray
Posted - 2011.08.10 01:27:00 - [400]
 

Ok, I'm trying what you suggested above.

I went and disabled tax and fee estimation. What this did is it makes the Total column match the Price column. My guess is that the estimates (when activated in Options) reduce the Total column based on the skill levels you input, to kind of give you a rough net profit if you subtract Total from Price.

What I was looking for is a way to link each item sold to its own buy price, side-by-side. Disabling the tax/fee estimates doesn't do this. I was hoping that by disabling them, all I would be left with is the price at which the item was bought to appear in the Total column, next to the price it was sold, in the Price column.

This way I can subtract the price at which an item was bought, from the price that it was sold, to get a gross profit.

Changing the transaction type filter to Buy displays all the items that were bought, but still shows identical figures in Price/Total columns.

Do you see where I'm going? I think the core issue here is how do you link an items buy price to its sell price. That's the only true way you can derive net from, that I know of...


Hel O'Ween
Men On A Mission
EVE Trade Consortium
Posted - 2011.08.10 08:49:00 - [401]
 

Originally by: Commander Disarray

My guess is that the estimates (when activated in Options) reduce the Total column based on the skill levels you input, to kind of give you a rough net profit if you subtract Total from Price.



Why guess? I linked the relevant manual part where this is explained.

Quote:

Do you see where I'm going? I think the core issue here is how do you link an items buy price to its sell price. That's the only true way you can derive net from, that I know of...



Yeah, I see where you're going: you haven't read this thread as this has been asked and explained numerous times: there is currently no way of proper linking a) transactions vs. journal entries (transactions + fess/taxes) and b) identifying unique items so that you could link the purchase (price) of an item to it's sale (price).

A couple of the trader apps do some guesswork there, working with a FIFO approach, and try to link buy vs. sale. But for my taste that's too vague.

Hel O'Ween
Men On A Mission
EVE Trade Consortium
Posted - 2011.08.10 14:34:00 - [402]
 

Originally by: Hel O'Ween
Originally by: damnjita
Edited by: damnjita on 14/07/2011 07:26:44
Originally by: Hel O'Ween
There seem to be some issued with the wallet journal API lately. Over in the Tech Lab, a few player mentioned that they can't retrieve journal data correctly. I also had a case these days were instead of getting journal data, an error was returned by the API, with error number 0 (doesn't exist according to the docs ...) and some error message along the lines of me harassing Scotty ...


<?xml version="1.0"?>, <eveapi version="2">, <currentTime>2011-07-14 07:24:23</currentTime>, <error code="0">General Error: Scotty the docking manager heard you were talking **** about him behind his back and refuses to service your request.</error>, <cachedUntil>2011-07-14 08:24:23</cachedUntil>, </eveapi>,

edit: so the forums censor **** but its ok in the API?


Yepp, that's the one I mentioned above. Another try a day later downloaded the journal just fine for me.

And please note the <error code="0">. Compare that the the error list that the API is supposed to report: http://wiki.eve-id.net/APIv2_Eve_ErrorList_XML.


Good news: CCP finally found out what the problem was.
Bad news: it won't be fixed until end of August. It seems they roll it out with the customizable API key(s) (meanwhile coined "CAK" by the 3rd party dev community) change.

See http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1563792

MegabitOne
Caldari
The Black Ops
Posted - 2011.08.13 09:49:00 - [403]
 

Originally by: Dirk Decibel
My incredible tiny brain took 3 days to think of switching to windows XP mode for EWA. It seems to do the trick though. Program just launched.

Well, actually I installed it on a W7 64bit machine and all I had to do was the following:
1. right-click the EveWalletAware icon and pick the 'properties' option. This will show the properties dialog.
2. click the 'compatibility' tab.
3. tick the 'execute this program in compatibility mode for:' checkbox (the default is WinXP SP3, which is what you want)
4. click 'ok' to close the properties dialog.
5. start up EWA as you would any other application and enjoy!

The above should really be mentioned in the EWA release notes! Hello Ween? :-)

MegabitOne
Caldari
The Black Ops
Posted - 2011.08.13 09:54:00 - [404]
 

I have EWA crashing on me several times with an error like 'cannot resize or move form if the application is minimized or maximized'. I was running EWA maximized at those times. If the correct error message seems to be produced, I guess some error handling can be added to prevent the application crashing because of it, no?

Inanna NiKunni
Posted - 2011.08.13 16:28:00 - [405]
 

Hel O'Ween

excellent app - i have 1 question i hope you can help me with

i would like for my corp members to be able to easily calculate their own corp tax contributions.

ewa does that if you have access to corp wallet (jr accountant). then you can see everybodys corp tax contribution.

but there is no way to get your own tax contribution if you only look at your own wallet as far a i can tell.

any help with this matter will be greatly appreciated

Hel O'Ween
Men On A Mission
EVE Trade Consortium
Posted - 2011.08.13 22:46:00 - [406]
 

Originally by: MegabitOne
If the correct error message seems to be produced, I guess some error handling can be added to prevent the application crashing because of it, no?


Even better than that: I shouldn't try moving things around when min/maxed ... but if I only knew what moves.

I know I had a couple of those errors in the early days, but thought that I since have got rid of those. Have you EWA set up to minimize to the system tray?

Originally by: Inanna NiKunni

but there is no way to get your own tax contribution if you only look at your own wallet as far a i can tell.

any help with this matter will be greatly appreciated



Yes, that's because the personal API doesn't give those numbers away. However, with a bit of estimation, that should be roughly reproducable: save the output of the (personal) journal balance sheet to Excel format (or pull your personal wallet journal data into the spreadsheet of your choice) and apply the corp's tax rate to Agent Mission Reward, Agent Mission Time Reward, Bount Prices. Substract your best guess of non-taxable amounts (< 200k ISK, but I'm not sure about that) from it and you're done.

Alenya Laethon
Posted - 2011.08.18 23:27:00 - [407]
 

Originally by: Hel O'Ween
Originally by: Hel O'Ween
Originally by: damnjita
Edited by: damnjita on 14/07/2011 07:26:44
Originally by: Hel O'Ween
There seem to be some issued with the wallet journal API lately. Over in the Tech Lab, a few player mentioned that they can't retrieve journal data correctly. I also had a case these days were instead of getting journal data, an error was returned by the API, with error number 0 (doesn't exist according to the docs ...) and some error message along the lines of me harassing Scotty ...


<?xml version="1.0"?>, <eveapi version="2">, <currentTime>2011-07-14 07:24:23</currentTime>, <error code="0">General Error: Scotty the docking manager heard you were talking **** about him behind his back and refuses to service your request.</error>, <cachedUntil>2011-07-14 08:24:23</cachedUntil>, </eveapi>,

edit: so the forums censor **** but its ok in the API?


Yepp, that's the one I mentioned above. Another try a day later downloaded the journal just fine for me.

And please note the <error code="0">. Compare that the the error list that the API is supposed to report: http://wiki.eve-id.net/APIv2_Eve_ErrorList_XML.


Good news: CCP finally found out what the problem was.
Bad news: it won't be fixed until end of August. It seems they roll it out with the customizable API key(s) (meanwhile coined "CAK" by the 3rd party dev community) change.

See http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1563792


Hi I can't get any journal entries from after 1st Aug even though I've reinstalled, compacted database, etc - all the suggested stuff. Is this because of the above? EveWallet is great btw, just this recent glitch Very Happy

Hel O'Ween
Men On A Mission
EVE Trade Consortium
Posted - 2011.08.19 16:09:00 - [408]
 

Originally by: Alenya Laethon

Hi I can't get any journal entries from after 1st Aug even though I've reinstalled, compacted database, etc - all the suggested stuff. Is this because of the above? EveWallet is great btw, just this recent glitch Very Happy



Most likely. Read the above messages and look at your cached XML files. If the wallet journal file has that infamous "Scotty is angry" in it, it's due to that problem.

Tehg Rhind
Posted - 2011.08.20 22:54:00 - [409]
 

So is the software working right now or is it still messed up by the API?

Hel O'Ween
Men On A Mission
EVE Trade Consortium
Posted - 2011.08.21 11:35:00 - [410]
 

EWA does work, if the API does work. The wallet journal API has problems atm, which will be resolved at the end of August. It's not a consistant error, though. Sometimes it does return journal data and sometimes not ... Sad

Fleshfiend
Posted - 2011.08.21 16:11:00 - [411]
 


Stein Novak
Posted - 2011.08.22 21:36:00 - [412]
 

Q: When CCP fix this and you update EWA, will retrieval retrospectively get missing journal entries?

Hel O'Ween
Men On A Mission
EVE Trade Consortium
Posted - 2011.08.23 09:38:00 - [413]
 

EWA will add anything that a) is delivered by the API and b) is missing from EWA's database. The limitation is the time frame for which the API delivers data.

Aaron Sarukake
Posted - 2011.08.23 23:47:00 - [414]
 

After install (Windows 7 x64), on every start I get:

Error accessing database:
C:\ProgramData\EVEWalletAware\DATA\EVEWalletAware.mdb. Do you wish to browse for EWA's database?

I say yes, I get a file-choose prompt, I pick the correct file, and it tells me to restart. And then it gives me the above, over and over.

Stein Novak
Posted - 2011.08.26 21:07:00 - [415]
 

Originally by: Hel O'Ween
The limitation is the time frame for which the API delivers data.


Is this a fixed number of days, or number of transactions?

Hel O'Ween
Men On A Mission
EVE Trade Consortium
Posted - 2011.08.27 08:51:00 - [416]
 

Fixed number of days. To quote CCP Stillman:
Quote:

Walker should now always allow for a full month of data and will just display the "first page" in the history if it receives weird input.


Hel O'Ween
Men On A Mission
EVE Trade Consortium
Posted - 2011.09.02 10:52:00 - [417]
 

EWA version 2.0.26, EWAAutoData 1.0.20, DB 24 (Incarna 1.1) have been released.

This update implements the new Customisable API Key ("CAK") system. Please note that the old API key system will still work for the time being. However, if you decide to download and use this EWA version, you need to go to https://support.eveonline.com/api and create a new API key.

As always, see the version history for details.

This is also the last release of EWA.

I won't develop EWA anymore. The $99 dev license/Incarna/MT thing has completely destroyed my joy for this game and company. Since Incarna has been released, I've only logged in to change skills. And I don't even miss the game. My initial plan after $99 dev license/Incarna was to stop development right away, but the new API key system made me rethink my decision. It would have left you with a broken tool too soon. As CCP's shortcomings are not your fault, I decided to issue a last release of EWA which hopefully gives you enough time to find a new trading tool to which you can migrate.

My sbscription runs out in December and I will try to fix bugs related to the new API key system in that time. After that ... well, time will tell. I'm not saying I'll never come back, EVE - the concept - is still unique and appealing. It's just that the actual implemetation of this idea in the last years leaves a lot to be desired. At least to me.

Farewell my friends and thank you for your support throughout the years. Have fun and fly safe!

Kethas Protagonist
Protagonist Ventures
Posted - 2011.09.02 11:35:00 - [418]
 

It'll be a shame to see a cornerstone of the "what the hell is my wallet doing" app niche retire, but I can understand and respect your decision. Thank you for the time and energy that's gone into EWA versions past and present.

I'm usually fond of verbose posts, but:

Sad

seems like it pretty much covers it.

Esan Vartesa
East Khanid Trading
Khanid Trade Syndicate
Posted - 2011.09.02 18:57:00 - [419]
 

Originally by: Kethas Protagonist

Sad

seems like it pretty much covers it.


QFT


Wendelgard
Gallente
Herrscher der Zeit
Smacked Alliance
Posted - 2011.09.03 12:39:00 - [420]
 

Originally by: Hel O'Ween

This is also the last release of EWA.

[...]

Farewell my friends and thank you for your support throughout the years. Have fun and fly safe!
[...]



Well, generally sad to hear. The part of EWA I still like most is the fact one has a course idea how much ISK the assests are worth. not only the estimation of the assets worth is a big advantage of EWA, it also sums up the the items.

Hel O'Ween, many thanks for that great tool. Please me one kwestion: For a single player setup (i. e. for me) do I really need to enter the verification code and keyID for my corp or is that part not required?

Kindest regards,

Wendelgard



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