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Hel O'Ween
Men On A Mission
EVE Trade Consortium
Posted - 2011.02.19 15:12:00 - [271]
 

Originally by: Noisette Noir

Ingame I have corptransactions from the 20th of januari-today, but EWA only shows transactions from the 25th, even though I've set the date earlier.
Why is that? It was the same when I first tried the program a couple of days ago.



As already mentioned a few postings above, the wallet journal API, especially the corp API, seems to have some problems lately. Until now, it's not clear why and how, but you're not the only person experiencing this problem, nor is EWA the only application with which that happens.

Quote:

I also wonder if EWA saves the data, so that it will eventually go back a lot longer than ingame?


Yes, of course. That's the whole point of apps like EWA. More data = more reliable stats.

Andi Friend
Posted - 2011.02.21 08:45:00 - [272]
 

Edited by: Andi Friend on 21/02/2011 08:45:41
Hi

in beginning:
I did read nearly all this thread. But I did not find an answer on my question.
I also did read manual and I think I did correct steps in configuration.

question/problem:
I've entered Full API to the tool, and if I go to wallet statistics e.g. I do get some information which is relevant to my character, also I do get good list of assets (takes time though). But, I can't see neither wallet transaction nor wallet journal. :(
All I get is "0 transactions found" (No error messages or I don't know where to look for them)
And window like you have here doesn't opens at all.
Do I do something wrong? Did I miss configure the tool?

I had on other PC EVEMon running, and then I thought what if it is that caching problem that was mentioned in manual. So I did close EVEMon, waited 8 hours but still getting "0 transactions found". And there are transactions :)

Please help me, Tool seems great - I wanna use it.

Hel O'Ween
Men On A Mission
EVE Trade Consortium
Posted - 2011.02.21 12:19:00 - [273]
 

Originally by: Andi Friend

I also did read manual and I think I did correct steps in configuration.
[...]

(No error messages or I don't know where to look for them)



So much for reading the manual, eh? Wink

The application log is located under Extras -> Application log. There's where erros would be listed. Also, check Extras -> Cached XML files for current files with data.

And yes, the API is unforgiving with cached data. Do you by chance run another program that might have grabed the financial data from the API?

Also, you did click that "Retrieve data from EVE API" button again, right? EWA itself won't fetch any data automatically. If you wish to do so, try the auto downloader.

Andi Friend
Posted - 2011.02.21 16:48:00 - [274]
 

Originally by: Hel O'Ween
Originally by: Andi Friend

I also did read manual and I think I did correct steps in configuration.
[...]

(No error messages or I don't know where to look for them)



So much for reading the manual, eh? Wink

The application log is located under Extras -> Application log. There's where erros would be listed. Also, check Extras -> Cached XML files for current files with data.

And yes, the API is unforgiving with cached data. Do you by chance run another program that might have grabed the financial data from the API?

Also, you did click that "Retrieve data from EVE API" button again, right? EWA itself won't fetch any data automatically. If you wish to do so, try the auto downloader.


Ah ah, my bad. Application log was very visible :) Admited.
But other then that I still in doubts.
On your question: No chance that any other program would grab data from API except EVE client itself. Does EVE client with same character loaded in it makes those cache problems?

Now after quite long time I'm trying it again.
Opening tool, clicking "Retrieve data from EVE API"
in log: "0 log entries deleted (auto purge)"
in program status bar: "Done retriving data"

Then of course I go to menu/Wallet/Wallet transaction and:
in log: "0 log entries deleted (auto purge)"
in program: "0 wallet transactions found"

In cached XML API files I see relevant for current time cache record with query type "RefType".

But what is wrong? (well except the user :) )

Hel O'Ween
Men On A Mission
EVE Trade Consortium
Posted - 2011.02.21 17:15:00 - [275]
 

Originally by: Andi Friend

But what is wrong? (well except the user :) )


The API server has some issues, it seems.

Michaellh
Posted - 2011.02.21 22:32:00 - [276]
 

I duble checked everything an even reinstalled it but still no luck preventing the
"Initialisation Failed

Error accessing database at the C:\ProgramData\EVEWalletAware\DATA.
Application will now terminate"

Copied and pasted your suggestion to replace the "Connection=..." and still that does not work. I was able to actually edit it this time but even after changing it still I receive the same error. I made sure it as run in XP compatibility mode as well. Any other suggestions?

Mike

Hel O'Ween
Men On A Mission
EVE Trade Consortium
Posted - 2011.02.22 12:09:00 - [277]
 

Ah, please, I'm not your personal IT consultant.

Try this setup (created with another installer package) and see if it doesn't mess things up on Vista/Win 7.

Michaellh
Posted - 2011.02.24 05:39:00 - [278]
 

I never thought you were but since you seem to be the person that is head of the program I don't really have anyone else to turn too. I do apologize for bothering you but no the alternate setup you offered did not work. Never mind, I just won't worry about it.Thank you for trying.

Mike

Cpt Spooky
Posted - 2011.03.09 18:11:00 - [279]
 

Hallo Hel O'Ween,

please make note on your page that the people have start with administrator-rights under xp and W7 otherwise they get the error:"Error accessing database at C:\ProgramData\EVEWalletAware\DATA\. Application will now terminate."

See Michaelh

greetings

You What
Smokers' Heaven
Posted - 2011.03.09 19:48:00 - [280]
 

Originally by: Cpt Spooky
Hallo Hel O'Ween,

please make note on your page that the people have start with administrator-rights under xp and W7 otherwise they get the error:"Error accessing database at C:\ProgramData\EVEWalletAware\DATA\. Application will now terminate."

See Michaelh

greetings


I agree.

Other than that, Great work and thank you for all your work you've put into it and for releasing it to the public for free. Thanks

Hel O'Ween
Men On A Mission
EVE Trade Consortium
Posted - 2011.03.10 08:41:00 - [281]
 

Originally by: Cpt Spooky

please make note on your page that the people have start with administrator-rights under xp and W7 otherwise they get the error:"Error accessing database at C:\ProgramData\EVEWalletAware\DATA\. Application will now terminate."



Well, I know for sure that you don't need admin rights (besides from installing and updating the app itself) in XP, as I designed EWA to work without requiring admin rights. Data is stored where MS wants apps to store data: \All Users\Application Data\<your app>.

As for Vista/Win 7: Due to MS' approach to "redirect" folders ("Documents and Settings" became "Users" etc.), it seems that the OS "fools" the installer, when it queries for those folders from the OS. That's why the data ends app in folders it shouldn't and consequently admin rights seems to be needed. My installer predates Vista (which I skipped altogether) and I'm still not familiar enough with Win 7 to finally fix that behaviour. Confused

Chick'n Nugget
Posted - 2011.03.16 14:54:00 - [282]
 

Hel o'ween,

Thanks for the program. I have used it extensively and I really like some of the features, however, I am having a couple of problems.

The main problem seems to be that I cannot view "active" orders only. I think I am seeing all of my orders (since I started the database). I know this because the number only goes up and does not match the number in game. I see the filter for this but it is set to Active (which I assume is the default).

Also, if I try to change that filter to anything but active, the "end date" gets forced to 12/30/1899 and I cannot change it unless i set it back to active.

I would really like to *only* see active buy and sell orders and am not sure how to extract that data.

Thanks

Hel O'Ween
Men On A Mission
EVE Trade Consortium
Posted - 2011.03.16 17:28:00 - [283]
 

Edited by: Hel O''Ween on 16/03/2011 17:28:57
If you're only interested in active orders, try the following:

- Go to Extras -> Options -> Tab "Wallet / Assets". Check the option "Import active market orders only"

- Next, go to Extras -> Database maintenace -> Compact database. There, choose "Delete market orders" and click OK.

- Pull your data from the API

This should get you rid off all old orders and from then on only import active market orders from the API.

Chick'n Nugget
Posted - 2011.03.16 17:47:00 - [284]
 

I tend to use the functionality that shows how much profit I make per item, the high/low/average of buys/sells for an item and stuff like that.

I am not sure how it is programmed, but will doing what you suggested destroy this data?

Hel O'Ween
Men On A Mission
EVE Trade Consortium
Posted - 2011.03.17 08:32:00 - [285]
 

Edited by: Hel O''Ween on 17/03/2011 08:32:50
Hmm, not sure if I understand you. And in retrospective, my previous answer might not be the solution to your request.

Anything "balance-related" always is calculated on EWA's complete data set of that account/char. With the exception of market orders and assets, where the API always returns a complete set of *all* data, EWA doesn't delete any old data. That means all your wallet transactions and journal entries are kept. From those, EWA calculates the numbers in Item details, Balance sheet, Item chart etc.

From your last reply, it seems you're only interested in the numbers from your current/last successfully completed transactions.

If that's the case, well - EWA doesn't work that way. As discussed a number of times in this forum, CCP doesn't provide a way to track items in your assets, therefore you can't identify that item <x> was bought for amount <x> and sold for amount <y> and hence no dedicated profit calculation can be done for a distinct item.

EWA takes the approach of "no matter how many items you bought for <x> ISK, in the end, if you sold them for <y>, in order to be profitable, amount bought * <x> should be lesser than amount sold * <y>". And with that assumption, all numbers are calculated.

Chick'n Nugget
Posted - 2011.03.17 14:28:00 - [286]
 

I will try to be as clear as possible so we are on the same page.

When I go to my buy or sell order page, the total listed at the top always increases each time I update the data, despite the fact that my active buy/sell order amount goes up and down all the time (as they expire, as they are bought out, etc...).

This leads me to believe that it is showing all orders from all time, not just the total of the active orders. The latter is what I want, but not all that I want.

I am fearful of compacting the db and deleting all of the orders because I do also use some other functionality that appears to look at past transactions to see how much profit you are making. Like I sort by the items that have made me the most total profit, most percentage profit, etc. . .

Does that make any more sense?

Hel O'Ween
Men On A Mission
EVE Trade Consortium
Posted - 2011.03.17 17:50:00 - [287]
 

Edited by: Hel O''Ween on 19/03/2011 10:41:22
Yes, makes perfect sense now.

That said, my first reply should solve your issue.

And don't worry. This will only delete all of your market orders (given that you checked "Delete market orders" and not one of the other options Wink). All other data (transactions, journals) will be kept in order to provide you with meaningful historic information.

Hel O'Ween
Men On A Mission
EVE Trade Consortium
Posted - 2011.03.19 10:40:00 - [288]
 

EWA version 2.0.22 has been released.

This update includes some administrative features, mainly

- Let you purge all data from within EWA, resetting EWA to a "fresh-installed" state (data-wise).

- If EWA can't find its database where it assumes it to be, EWA now lets you point it to the right DB location.

As always, see the version history for details.

Dawn Black
Posted - 2011.03.20 11:32:00 - [289]
 

Minor thing... installer doesn't appear to create any shortcuts on win7... trying to look for the app now but it is a minor inconvenience

Companion Qube
Minmatar
Electron Conservation Inc
SRS.
Posted - 2011.03.20 11:39:00 - [290]
 

Originally by: Hel O'Ween
EWA version 2.0.22 has been released.

This update includes some administrative features, mainly

- Let you purge all data from within EWA, resetting EWA to a "fresh-installed" state (data-wise).

- If EWA can't find its database where it assumes it to be, EWA now lets you point it to the right DB location.

As always, see the version history for details.

Have I told you recently how much I appreciate the work you put in to this?

Zeta Zhul
Caldari
Preemptive Paranoia
Posted - 2011.03.20 17:11:00 - [291]
 

Edited by: Zeta Zhul on 21/03/2011 03:55:13
Nice application.

Now could someone please explain to me why this is in MD and not in the technology forum?

edit: I stand corrected. Thanks!

Hel O'Ween
Men On A Mission
EVE Trade Consortium
Posted - 2011.03.20 22:56:00 - [292]
 

@CQ: Very Happy

@Zeta Zhul: If you browse around this forum a bit, you will notice that the majority of the available trading tools are presented here. This makes sense as the targeted audience most likely will read this forum. If I'm not mistaken, the same is true for industrial tools, which are announced in S&I.

The Tech Lab to us 3rd party devs is more about questions/exchange around the API, not so much for presenting our tools. If I'm not mistaken, the Tech Lab forum is also one of the forums the average EVE player doesn't visit very often.

Hel O'Ween
Men On A Mission
EVE Trade Consortium
Posted - 2011.03.27 12:33:00 - [293]
 

This is a bit of an offtopic post, but I thought I'd share this with you nonetheless.

I attended FanFest this year for the first time and coincidentally this year was the first time that CCP devoted some sessions to the EVE API, some of which I of course attended. The perhaps most important info from these sessions is that 3rd party devs are now allowed to charge real cash for their applications. You need to apply as a 3rd party dev, fill out an agreement with CCP and pay $99/year. You're then free to charge whatever and however (one time fee, subscription etc.) you like for your tool(s).

According to CCP, the motivation for this decision is that they love all the 3rd party apps out there. The problem these days: as soon as the developer(s) stop playing EVE (for whatever reason), development on those tools also stops as there's no incentive for the dev to at least maintaining it although he doesn't play anymore. Not even talking about the impossibility of being able to test one's app without an active sub and therefore no access to the API.

I'm not sure how this step will influence the scene of 3rd party apps, but I suspect that some of the now free tools will be converted to payware. And of course, the more users a tool currently has (think: EVEMon, EFT, for example), the more tempting that idea may be.

That said, I personally have no interest in going commercial with EWA. It will remain a tool provided for free.

Tehg Rhind
Posted - 2011.03.30 22:08:00 - [294]
 

Continuing a bit on your semi off topic remark I have to say I seriously support this. If this option had been around before we would still have EvE metrics, which may be one of the most important tools the market community has lost.

Glad to hear you aren't considering monetizing, but I want to add that if it comes down to monetizing or stopping supporting it I hope you choose the former, the free market will determine the value.

As forthe existing/old stuff there will be a lot of difficulties monetizing any app that had open source periods, or any app that borrowed from an existing open source app. Because of that I would seriously question whether older projects should monetize. Also, frankly, many of the existing apps have serious flaws (EMMAs horrible installation) that are acceptable on a free app, but definitely not on a Real Money app. Your project is one of the few that (I believe) has been closed source and had only one developer since the beginning, plus it is (for the most part) bug free.

Anyways. This has definitely got me thinkng about building something.

Hel O'Ween
Men On A Mission
EVE Trade Consortium
Posted - 2011.03.30 23:44:00 - [295]
 

Originally by: Tehg Rhind

Your project is one of the few that (I believe) has been closed source and had only one developer since the beginning, plus it is (for the most part) bug free.



The source code for EWA has long been available from the download page, although I admit that I not always keep the published source code up to date with EWA's current published version. Out of laziness, obviously, not out of meanness.

Tehg Rhind
Posted - 2011.03.31 15:32:00 - [296]
 

Originally by: Hel O'Ween
Originally by: Tehg Rhind

Your project is one of the few that (I believe) has been closed source and had only one developer since the beginning, plus it is (for the most part) bug free.



The source code for EWA has long been available from the download page, although I admit that I not always keep the published source code up to date with EWA's current published version. Out of laziness, obviously, not out of meanness.


well kiss my grits and call me a liar...my bad. Going to have to take a look at that (not to plagiarize, just curious).

Also, quick question on updates. I haven't updated in a long time as I use your app primarily for API calls. My version is pretty old, think I last updated in November. Have there been any DB breaking updates? What I mean is that if I update will I need to start with a fresh database, and/or loose all my old data?

Hel O'Ween
Men On A Mission
EVE Trade Consortium
Posted - 2011.03.31 20:59:00 - [297]
 

Originally by: Tehg Rhind

Going to have to take a look at that (not to plagiarize, just curious).



Wait a few days. Now that you mentioned it, I noticed I should upload an updated source package. Will need to do some cleaning (experimental stuff out) before I do so.

Quote:

What I mean is that if I update will I need to start with a fresh database, and/or loose all my old data?


It should be safe to update to the current version. If there's a database update, EWA always makes a backup of the old database first. In case the (automatic) update doesn't work, send me an email to Hel.OWeen@eve-biotronics.de and I'll give you instructions on how to copy your old data over to the new database.

Kethas Protagonist
Protagonist Ventures
Posted - 2011.04.10 08:07:00 - [298]
 

Edited by: Kethas Protagonist on 10/04/2011 08:07:58
I apologize for drudging up an old issue, but I'm experiencing the same "looping" problem posted about back in early 2010:

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1263311&page=1#12

When I click "Retrieve data from EVE API," the status text at the bottom of the application reports "Processed personal wallet transaction #XXX for wallet 1000", progressing from 1 to 1000. When it reaches 1000 it pauses for a couple seconds and then starts again at 1.

While this is going on, the EWA application is unresponsive (the window doesn't respond to keypresses or mouse clicks and and cursor switches to a swirling "thinking" icon).

This is after a fresh install and running EWA as Adminstrator on Windows 7. You did reply to the original post on this issue, suspecting it was some sort of caching problem and asking if the poster was using a proxy (I'm not).

I also apologize for posting a bug report right as we're in between EVE forum versions - I'll repost on the new ones if CCP gets them working and we switch.

Edit: link linkified

Hel O'Ween
Men On A Mission
EVE Trade Consortium
Posted - 2011.04.10 16:07:00 - [299]
 

Edited by: Hel O''Ween on 10/04/2011 16:08:21
No need to apologize. It's neither your nor my fault that we're "in between forums".

I think I know what's going on: with the new patch the wallet transactions API changed to behave like the (new) wallet journal API. I've updated EWA already - alas - the forums were down, so I decided to not publish a "silent update", but rather wait until I could also announce the new update in the (new) forum. This decision was also based on the fact that the change to the wallet transactions API would be backwards compatible. Well, from your report, it seems that's not the case.

So I beg your pardon and ask for your patience. I'll upload the new version tomorrow (Monday). In case the forums are in "maintenance mode" again, simply try EWA's update function an see if it reports a new version. The auto updater is new, too. If you're using it, make sure you update both EWA and the EWAAutoData.

Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
Posted - 2011.04.10 16:23:00 - [300]
 

Originally by: Hel O'Ween
Edited by: Hel O''Ween on 10/04/2011 16:08:21
No need to apologize. It's neither your nor my fault that we're "in between forums".

I think I know what's going on: with the new patch the wallet transactions API changed to behave like the (new) wallet journal API. I've updated EWA already - alas - the forums were down, so I decided to not publish a "silent update", but rather wait until I could also announce the new update in the (new) forum. This decision was also based on the fact that the change to the wallet transactions API would be backwards compatible. Well, from your report, it seems that's not the case.

So I beg your pardon and ask for your patience. I'll upload the new version tomorrow (Monday). In case the forums are in "maintenance mode" again, simply try EWA's update function an see if it reports a new version. The auto updater is new, too. If you're using it, make sure you update both EWA and the EWAAutoData.


The same perma-loop issue struck EvE Income Analyzer, that unlike EWA, is not supported any longer.
I patched EIA and posted a very long thread about how to get and install it. Of course right before CCP took the new forum offline.

If anyone wants to get a functioning version of EIA please read this page on Vahrokh.com and get it there.


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