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DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2010.10.01 00:09:00 - [151]
 

Yeah, I agree. Sad

Makedonomax0s
Posted - 2010.10.02 20:31:00 - [152]
 

Hello DeMichael.

Thanks for your great guide.
I recently had problems with gallente (-4.5 with a few diplomacy) and thank god i found you cause i was clueless and desperate.
I decided to do your plan for the minmatar.
It is kinda time-eating but i doubt i 'll find a better way. I got plenty of 1.1% increases so far.
From now on i will decline all gallente-killing missions.YARRRR!!
And the skills helped. Soon i 'll avoid the hostility Very Happy

Hugs 'n' kisses,
Makedon!

MYOB
Posted - 2010.10.03 00:41:00 - [153]
 

Great guide, page bookmarked

I am a new player and my starting job is mission running. As such, high faction standings will make it much easier to find new high level missions.

I do not yet have the skills to run high level missions, but I can work on getting my standings up while I wait for my skills to train. I will be using much of the advice in this guide to do that. Thanks!

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2010.10.03 00:59:00 - [154]
 

Great, it's good to hear that. Cool

Yeah, it takes a bit of time to work this 'Plan'. The main thing to remember is that every Event Agent listed gives Faction Standings while the 'Bounce' option helps to make them equal. Just have to keep an eye on the standings and switch Factions every once in a while.


Unfortunately it's sorta like 'Square Dancing'.

*DeMichael Crimson starts playing a Fiddle and sings out cadence:

"Take a partner and doce c dac, 1 step forward 1/2 step back. Get new partner and doce c doe, repeat the steps it may seem slow. Parmalade with everyone, after while the dance is done."

Mathrin
Posted - 2010.10.07 14:19:00 - [155]
 

So.....
Minmatarr -6.6
Gallente -6.47

I was new and didn't realise the effect those factions missios would have. Now I only have 2 skills

Negotiation lvl 3
Social lvl 4

How much would training take up my standings roughly. Also could I fleet up with a friend when he does a storyline mission and get some of the faction standings? Basicly i just want to not get shot in there space as fast as possible with the smallest amount of grinding.

Also I am attempting getting good standings with both empire and pirate factions on a trader alt. My thinking is to do Non-Combat missions and storyline missions for empire and jump back to them once my standing start to lower. Not sure if it will work but im going to try. ugh

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2010.10.08 04:04:00 - [156]
 

Train Diplomacy at least to lv 4. That should help a lot.

Helping a friend on his Storyline mission will NOT give you Faction Standing increase.

Jho Ran
Posted - 2010.10.11 14:09:00 - [157]
 

Well, rounding penalties or not, I was simply unable to get past an avg. of 2.33 unmodified standing when switching between lvl 2 Amarr and Minmatar storyline missions. I must have done 5 for each or so, with social 5 and negotiation 4, but the faction standings just ping-ponged back and forth.

However, when I did a couple of lvl 3 missions the numbers (avg.) started going up again.

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2010.10.11 15:54:00 - [158]
 

Edited by: DeMichael Crimson on 11/10/2010 16:08:40

Originally by: Jho Ran
Well, rounding penalties or not, I was simply unable to get past an avg. of 2.33 unmodified standing when switching between lvl 2 Amarr and Minmatar storyline missions. I must have done 5 for each or so, with social 5 and negotiation 4, but the faction standings just ping-ponged back and forth.

However, when I did a couple of lvl 3 missions the numbers (avg.) started going up again.


Confused

I'm a bit confused. Are you doing 16 regular missions to get 1 storyline or are you following this 'Plan' and working the Event Agents? Also do you have Connections skill trained?

If it's just the regular 16 missions, what type of missions? One of the main points with this 'Plan' is to NOT accept any Faction encounter missions. Structures and ship kills will incur derived negative Faction Standings. Also if the Storyline mission offer is Anti Faction, should decline that as well. Don't want to include structure and ship kills along with the derived negative Faction Standings.

If following the 'Plan', you should see the standing for the Allied Factions you're currently working go up quickly while the enemy Allied Factions standings go down. Depending on which Faction and level of Agents completed, you can take one Faction up quite high while keeping an eye on the enemy Allied Factions and switch or 'Bounce' to one of those just before it's standing goes below the amount needed for access.

I've posted all of my statistics and Faction Standings incurred as well as the steps I've done with each completed section of the 'Plan'. Some of the Cosmos missions are Anti Faction encounters and whenever possible, I'd buy the mission objective item from contracts or have some friends fleet up to do the Faction ship kills. When I list the Faction Standings, it's the modified amount/number. As you can see, all of my Empire Faction Standings have raised up quite a bit from when I first started working this 'Plan'.

I hope this has helped.

Apotamkin
Posted - 2010.10.11 20:19:00 - [159]
 

Originally by: DeMichael Crimson
As for you referring to this 'Plan' as "a lot of mind numbing boring sitting in a chair for weeks/months mission grinding", well that's your opinion. This 'Plan' is the fastest way to gain standing since all of the agents listed in it give Faction Standing increase. Feel free to find another way to increase Faction Standings faster. If you do, I'd love to hear it.


I did not mean that your plan was boring. I meant that the missions themselves in this game are boring. Yeah the PVE in this game is mind numbing in my opinion. It's a chore most of the time to do anything. That's why CCP makes a killing on PLEX and GTCs.

Your plan however is quite awesome and well thought out Very Happy

Jho Ran
Posted - 2010.10.12 00:42:00 - [160]
 

Originally by: DeMichael Crimson
Edited by: DeMichael Crimson on 11/10/2010 16:08:40

Originally by: Jho Ran
Well, rounding penalties or not, I was simply unable to get past an avg. of 2.33 unmodified standing when switching between lvl 2 Amarr and Minmatar storyline missions. I must have done 5 for each or so, with social 5 and negotiation 4, but the faction standings just ping-ponged back and forth.

However, when I did a couple of lvl 3 missions the numbers (avg.) started going up again.


Confused

I'm a bit confused. Are you doing 16 regular missions to get 1 storyline or are you following this 'Plan' and working the Event Agents?

Also do you have Connections skill trained?

If it's just the regular 16 missions, what type of missions? One of the main points with this 'Plan' is to NOT accept any Faction encounter missions. Structures and ship kills will incur derived negative Faction Standings. Also if the Storyline mission offer is Anti Faction, should decline that as well. Don't want to include structure and ship kills along with the derived negative Faction Standings.



I was referring to

Originally by: Jho Ran
Ah, yes, thanks for the reply, but I guess I wasn't being clear enough. :)

I wonder why I am getting a -1.2% decrease to Amarr as opposed to only a -1.0% decrease, when my minmatar standing goes up 2.0%

Originally by: DeMichael Crimson
CCP likes to round up the negative standings amount and round down the positive standings amount incurred from derived standings.


with regards to the rounding thing. :)

I have connections at 4, but I am only looking at the unmodified standings. I have followed the plan, but I am at a point where I need better combat skills to continue with the cosmos missions and lvl 4 epic arcs. I have done the rest, except the lvl 2+ datacenter missions.

In the meantime I am not killing any ships or otherwise of the other empire factions, in fact, I mainly do courier missions because they are faster. The storyline missions I got involving ships of the other empire factions I did on an alt in fleet, so only he got the standing hit.

My point is simply this, when doing the whole 16 regular missions to get 1 storyline mission-grind, the level of the storyline mission seem to matter quite a bit. For example.

Lvl 2 Storyline mission for Minmatar: Amarr 2.18, Minmatar 2.48
Same lvl 2 storyline mission for Amarr: Amarr 2.48, Minmatar 2.18

and so on back and forth 5+ times without getting ahead. Different numbers depending on the mission, but same average. However, with two lvl 3 storyline missions I was able to get past that point (2.36 and 2.41 with Amarr and Minmatar respectively). In other words, other than the nice corp standing boosts, the lvl 2 storyline missions gave me nothing overall after a certain point, which at least in my case was around 2.33 unmodified faction standing.

The plan is great, but people following it are probably also interested in how storyline missions affect faction standings, so that's why I am posting this. :)

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2010.10.12 01:42:00 - [161]
 

Ahhhh, my mistake. Embarassed

I apologize for misinterpreting what you both had posted. Thank you for replying and clarifying the meaning or context of the statements posted. I sincerely hope everything works out OK for you both in regards to working this 'Plan'.

Good luck and much success to you all.

Talsha Talamar
Amarr
Nebula Rasa Holdings
Nebula Rasa
Posted - 2010.10.17 23:30:00 - [162]
 

Edited by: Talsha Talamar on 17/10/2010 23:43:01

A quick warning about the evelopedia guide about DATACENTERS.
There seems to have been a major undocumented nerf.. ahm.. "rebalancing" with regards to the standing gains.

I posted the following there in the discussion section and
it would be great if others could check their numbers so that we could correct the page.

Given the costs of the tags, this could prevent quiete a bit of frustration for many.

<snip>

The standing gain numbers are no longer correct for many tags

As an example 18/10/10 I did turn in the following in on an alt:
Blood Palladium Tags (Social 3) Faction 1,4276% Corp 4,7585%

A few years ago I turned the same ones in on my main:
Blood Palladium Tags (Social 4) Faction 5,57% Corp 19,7%

The guide lists:
Blood Palladium Tags Corp: 16,67% Faction: 5%

While the guide is coherent with the old numbers,
the new numbers clearly do not match.

Some more numbers
Example: is(should)

Sansha Palladium Tags Corp: 6,2308% (20%) Faction: 1,947% (6,25%)
Sansha Electrum Corp: 6,7497% (1,38%) Faction: 2,1093% (0,41%)
Sansha Crystal Corp: 6.6642% (14,7%) Faction: 2,0826% (4,5%)

</snip>


I created a petion with regards to this situation as well.
It seems silly that the standing gains neither correspond with
a) the tag rarity /costs nor
b) the agent/mission QL.

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2010.10.18 00:34:00 - [163]
 

Neutral, thanks for the information.

I'm not sure but with all of the patches, expansions and changes CCP has done, anything is possible.

Maybe the numbers listed in the Evelopedia are based with Social and Negotiation skills trained to lv 5.

Talsha Talamar
Amarr
Nebula Rasa Holdings
Nebula Rasa
Posted - 2010.10.20 14:55:00 - [164]
 

Originally by: DeMichael Crimson

Maybe the numbers listed in the Evelopedia are based with Social and Negotiation skills trained to lv 5.


That wouldnt cover the a >200% difference in standing gains between then and now ;)

I will do a few more of those on an associate with all the socials to V,
once I have her near the required standings.

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2010.10.21 02:50:00 - [165]
 

Great, please inform us of the results.

Mathrin
Posted - 2010.10.26 18:30:00 - [166]
 

Bumped, because i had a hard time finding this to show my friends

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2010.10.28 03:33:00 - [167]
 

Excellent, I hope this 'Plan' helps everyone as much as it's helped me.

I'm currently grinding missions for R&D Corporations to access one high level Research Agent from each Empire Faction. So far I have accessed Minmatar, Ammatar and Amarr. Next will be Gallente and then Caldari. Because of this my standings are doing a major Sea-Saw action. I'll then jump on completing all the level 4 Epic Arcs and then the level 4 Cosmos Agents.

I'll be sure to keep everyone updated.

Patrice Macmahon
The Lost Minmatar Legion
Posted - 2010.10.29 01:48:00 - [168]
 

Edited by: Patrice Macmahon on 29/10/2010 01:54:31
With all the time and effort your putting into this, Its commendable. There is something to be said about having "the highest possible standings will all opposing factions."

However, on a practical maner, this is completely insane.

Balanced Faction standings prevent you from having easily accessable agents within that faction, so you wont be able to hop from doing level IV's for the Navy and then Level IV's with whatever research agent you want out of that faction on a whim.

With the way your doing it, then for EVERY corporation you want standings with your going to need to start just about at the bottom of the totem pole for every corporation.

A bit of advice to anyone wanting to play the "Super" standings game: Just concentrate on the corporations you want, and don't let your effective (modified) standings drop below -1.99 (about -5.0 with diplomacy). You can do storyline for other factions, just don't blow up other faction ships and your standings with negative factions will ride on the "floor".

When you want to go grind another set, just blitz the toem pole and pick your corp. With solid social skills it takes 1-2 days utilizing the agent locator to unlock level IV's.


But heh, if you want to run around and do all this, have at bro. =)

Good advice and cconsolodation of material on how to bring those major negative up from the brink BTW. I just disagree with leveling out ALL your standings. Its a waste of effort mechanically.

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2010.10.29 09:10:00 - [169]
 

Well, thanks for posting. I'm sorry to say this but your logic is flawed with misinformation and some of your statements are incorrect.

Originally by: Patrice Macmahon
Edited by: Patrice Macmahon on 29/10/2010 01:54:31
However, on a practical maner, this is completely insane.


Not sure how this 'Plan' is insane since being able to go anywhere in Eve seems very 'practical' to me.

Originally by: Patrice Macmahon
Balanced Faction standings prevent you from having easily accessable agents within that faction, so you wont be able to hop from doing level IV's for the Navy and then Level IV's with whatever research agent you want out of that faction on a whim.


Having high Faction standings allows access to all regular Agents of all Corporations within the Faction. The exception is that Research Agents require a set amount of Corporation standing and Cosmos Agents require a set amount of Faction standing. Epic Arc Agents and Data Center Agents require either Corporation or Faction standing.

Originally by: Patrice Macmahon
With the way your doing it, then for EVERY corporation you want standings with your going to need to start just about at the bottom of the totem pole for every corporation.


As I said before, high Faction standings allows access to high level Agents. I just checked available Agents in two different Corporations I haven't worked for yet. One from my highest Faction standing and one from my lowest Faction standing. Seems I already have access to level 4 Agents in my highest Faction and access to level 3 Agents in my lowest Faction. Since I haven't done any missions for either of those Corporations yet, I'd hardly call that starting from the bottom of the Totem Pole.

Originally by: Patrice Macmahon
A bit of advice to anyone wanting to play the "Super" standings game: Just concentrate on the corporations you want, and don't let your effective (modified) standings drop below -1.99 (about -5.0 with diplomacy). You can do storyline for other factions, just don't blow up other faction ships and your standings with negative factions will ride on the "floor".

When you want to go grind another set, just blitz the toem pole and pick your corp. With solid social skills it takes 1-2 days utilizing the agent locator to unlock level IV's.


The only Corporation grind I've actually done has been for either Data Center, Epic Arc or Research Agents. Once the Corporation standing required has been gained, I'll always have access to the high level Agents as long as I stay above -2.00 Faction standing. Not sure where you figure the -5.00 with Diplomacy since that only allows you to travel in Empire Faction space without getting attacked by Faction Navy NPC's. It won't allow access to high level Agents.

Originally by: Patrice Macmahon
But heh, if you want to run around and do all this, have at bro. =)


Heh, that was my 'Plan' from the start. Considering the fact that I already have access to 3/4 or more of all Empire Agents available in this game, I still have the level 4 Epic Arcs, all level 4 Cosmos Agents and a few more Data Center Tag missions to complete. When those are completed I'll have access to each and every Empire Agent available in this game and able to go anywhere I please.

Originally by: Patrice Macmahon
Good advice and cconsolodation of material on how to bring those major negative up from the brink BTW. I just disagree with leveling out ALL your standings. Its a waste of effort mechanically.


Thanks, I think. Really doesn't matter if you agree or disagree, I play this game for my own enjoyment and set out to accomplish some goals which very few players have done. In the process I found a way to accomplish it and decided to share it with everyone. This 'Plan' may not be for you and that's ok. Bottom line, if you feel the need to 'Rain on my Parade', please get the facts straight.

Goals:
1, Access to all Research Agents
2, Complete all Event Agent missions
3, Acquire high positive Empire standings

sasabor
Posted - 2010.10.29 10:28:00 - [170]
 

Just want to let you know your guide helped me alot repairing my gallente and minmatar standing, which i had both butchered (- 8 both of them)

I m still negative for the minmatar and have to grind lvl 1 missions for that atleast it will not take that long anymore

Thank you for your guide

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2010.10.29 20:42:00 - [171]
 

Thank you, I'm glad to hear it has helped.

This 'Plan' is indeed the fastest way to repair negative Faction standings as well as boost positive Faction standings.

Passageway
Gallente
Posted - 2010.11.05 16:08:00 - [172]
 

I've just started running missions for SoE to improve some of my negative faction standings (worst is amarr at -9.45). I have access to some low level ammatar agents not too far away. Would my derived amarr standings improve faster with the ammatar agents or SoE?

I'm still going to run missions for the SoE, as I'm after a change of pace from Gallente, but I'd like to reopen Amarr space eventually as well.

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2010.11.06 08:27:00 - [173]
 

http://www.eve-wiki.net/index.php?title=Standings#Standing_Relationships

Yes, completing storyline missions for Ammatar Agents will give derived Faction Standing increase to Amarr and Caldari. The Servant Sisters of Eve will give derived Faction standing increase to Gallente and Minmatar.

If Amarr is the lowest 'Unfriendly' Faction standing, then Caldari Faction standing is probably higher and is a better option to quickly gain standings to start working the 'Plan'. Look for Caldari (or Amarr) corporations located in the regions you can safely travel and start with level 1 quality 0 agents and grind missions for storylines.

If no Amarr or Caldari corporation agents (Level 1 Quality 0) are available in the regions you can safely travel, then look for Ammatar or Khanid Kingdom Corporation Agents. Now if you have above -2.00 Faction standing with Ammatar or Khanid, then go with the highest level/quality agent available.

Keep checking the Amarr and Caldari Faction Standings and as soon as one of them is above -5.00, start working the 'Plan' with the Tutorial, Career, Circle, etc Agents.

Most importantly train up the Social skills - Diplomacy, Social, Negotiation and Connections.

Good luck.

Kary Tamona
Crom Demons
Posted - 2010.11.08 10:33:00 - [174]
 

Hi, friendly bump as this thread is helping me a lot.

I have now got (low) positive standings with the five main empire factions thanks to the OP's plan. Since my gaming time is quite limited I have adapted the plan to my needs. This is what I am doing:

- I used the OP plan to gain positive standings with the empire factions.
- Then I missioned ONLY for the corps that give the epic arc missions (eg. Impetus for the Gallente epic arc) till I got high enough standings with those corps. If you are careful to choose your missioning where the closest storyline agent belongs to the same corp you are missioning for, it will speed things a lot.
- I am doing the 5 empire epic arcs one after the other.
- Afterwards I'll go back to my usual carebear playing but I won't accept storyline missions or missions that have me shooting any of the empire factions.
- I plan to repeat the 5 epic arcs every three months till I get the standings I am aiming for.

For me this is easier than chasing all the tutorial/career/circle/cosmos/datacenter missions around Eve. Hope it helps, and of course YMMV.

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2010.11.08 12:16:00 - [175]
 

Originally by: Kary Tamona
Hi, friendly bump as this thread is helping me a lot.


Thank you for the 'Friendly' bump, I think.
The main thing to remember is that each of us needs to play this game for our own enjoyment.

Originally by: Kary Tamona
For me this is easier than chasing all the tutorial/career/circle/cosmos/datacenter missions around Eve. Hope it helps, and of course YMMV.


What does YMMV mean?

I'm curious as to how you got all the Factions to be (Low) positive standings without completing any missions for those agents?

As for the Event Agents listed in the 'Plan'. You don't have to do any of them, especially if your Faction Standings aren't that bad. Bouncing between Factions and training the Social skills will fix that.

The Tutorial/Career/Circle Agents are used to bring Faction Standing from -5.00 to above -2.00 along with some of the Data Center Agents. (The Cake)

The rest of the Data Center Agents and Cosmos Agents are used to accelerate the process of gaining high Faction Standings. (The Ice Cream)

The Epic Arc Agents are to put the Faction Standings well over the top and more or less keep them there. (The Party)

Main thing is that the Cosmos missions are very different from the regular Agent missions which makes them in my opinion very fun to complete. Granted that most of the BPC's they give are close to worthless but hey, at least the Cosmos missions are different and as I said before, very fun. I should also mention that the Cosmos missions usually have a lot of Eve eye candy to enjoy.

Doing the 'Special' Concord missions wasn't actually part of the 'Plan' either but I decided to complete those also. My main thing is to access all 'Special' Event Agents in this game.

Why?

Because it's different from just doing the same old repetitive regular Agent missions. And more importantly, just so I can say I did it.

Kary Tamona
Crom Demons
Posted - 2010.11.08 13:35:00 - [176]
 

Originally by: DeMichael Crimson

What does YMMV mean?


That means "Your mileage may vary". I mean that my way of doing things may not work for other people as each of us play the game differently.

Originally by: DeMichael Crimson

I'm curious as to how you got all the Factions to be (Low) positive standings without completing any missions for those agents?


Maybe I didn't explain myself. I did follow your plan until I got positive with every mayor empire faction.

Originally by: DeMichael Crimson

As for the Event Agents listed in the 'Plan'. You don't have to do any of them, especially if your Faction Standings aren't that bad. Bouncing between Factions and training the Social skills will fix that.


I trained the social factions to 5 as per your recommendation, they help a lot, and I followed your plan until I got positive standings. It is just that after I got those positive standings, I choose to do only the epic arc missions to bring them up. The system you propose is very good, and quite complete. In fact I wasn't aware of many of those missions until I read about them in your post.

Sorry if I sound like dismissive of your work. On the contrary. I only intended to point out that once you have positive standings epic arc missions on their own will be enough to keep your standings increasing without having to bother about doing the rest of the plan. I'm sure my way of doing this is not as efficient or as fast. It is just my alternative way of getting to the "party". I guess I'm a lazy player :)

I will keep in mind your comments about the Cosmos missions. I do not care about the BPs, but if those missions are fun, I'm all for it. I love eye candy.

Once again, thanks for the thread. I mean it.

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2010.11.09 11:06:00 - [177]
 

Ahhh, ok. Thanks for the clarification.

I'm glad the 'Plan' helped you and I wish you lot's of luck with your plan of action regarding Faction standings. I myself intend on completing the Epic Arcs every 3 months as well.

The Cosmos missions are indeed very different from regular missions with lot's of eye candy. Not to mention I also enjoy the storyline pertaining to those missions.

Tohmu Blackwing
Posted - 2010.11.15 23:49:00 - [178]
 

GREAT article! Honestly, one of the best I have seen in several years. You really put a lot of effort into this.

I was looking into doing exactly what you have written about about 2 years ago (1 1/2 maybe?), only, I had no idea if it could be done. There was very little information around on data centers, COSMOS missions and no mention of the career agents and circle agents (are they new?).

Anyways, I have only one question/concern about embarking on your Plan:

If I want to do the highest level COSMOS missions, for the faction BS reward, then I need astronomically high standing to qualify for the mission.

For example:

Caldari State agent Zoun Makui (in Otitoh), a 4/20 agent requires a 9.90 standing to qualify for the Raven Navy Issue reward.

I currently have a few characters with specialization in different factions missions. If I do this, do I blow any chance I have of attaining that 9.9 or higher standing to get the mission? Is is still possible, or should I max out my standing first to get that mission, then go do The Plan?

Thanks.

Ifly Uwalk
Caldari
Concentrated Evil
Posted - 2010.11.16 00:44:00 - [179]
 

Originally by: Tohmu Blackwing
If I do this, do I blow any chance I have of attaining that 9.9 or higher standing to get the mission? Is is still possible, or should I max out my standing first to get that mission, then go do The Plan?


It is possible to work the Plan and still get to 9.9 with every faction. It will take forever though. What is your goal exactly? If you want high standings across the factions on one character, go with the Plan. If you want to go specifically for the BS prints, get one faction, plus if you like its allied faction, to 9.9. Then work the Plan.

It is possible to get to 9.9 with one faction without having to go to -5.0 or worse with its enemy faction. You'll need Diplomacy at least at IV, though.


Tohmu Blackwing
Posted - 2010.11.16 01:47:00 - [180]
 

Edited by: Tohmu Blackwing on 16/11/2010 02:41:46
Originally by: Ifly Uwalk
Originally by: Tohmu Blackwing
If I do this, do I blow any chance I have of attaining that 9.9 or higher standing to get the mission? Is is still possible, or should I max out my standing first to get that mission, then go do The Plan?


It is possible to work the Plan and still get to 9.9 with every faction. It will take forever though. What is your goal exactly? If you want high standings across the factions on one character, go with the Plan. If you want to go specifically for the BS prints, get one faction, plus if you like its allied faction, to 9.9. Then work the Plan.

It is possible to get to 9.9 with one faction without having to go to -5.0 or worse with its enemy faction. You'll need Diplomacy at least at IV, though.


Thanks Ifly.

Well... I want what all men want. I just want more...

If I do follow the plan, it sounds like my faction should stabilize somewhere in the mid 5s, correct? So if that is the case, then it is possible to grind to 9.9, right?

I don't have that much standing now for any faction. I think the closest I have come is 8.9 for Caldari on one of my toons. This took a LONG time to do, so I am not sure how feasible it is.

Perhaps I should follow the plan and get the highest reasonable level (and finish as many of the missions as I can for each faction), and then specialize with my toons and have one go for the Amarr-Caldari rewards and the others Gal-Min.

This would mean a lot of work to get those alternate factions back up after I am done, but once I finish all the missions, it is less of a priority. I would love to keep 5 standing for all 4 factions, but beyond the aesthetics of it, I don't think I would have a use for it (my corpmates would all have to do the plan for us to get the benefit of high-sec towers and such.)



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