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Lagruna Zegata
Posted - 2010.08.24 01:02:00 - [91]
 

Great guide, DeMichael. Once you feel like everything is finished and polished it could make a good addition to the EVElopedia.

The guide is very comprehensive for Empire, and the only exotic thing that might be added is more info on working for the different pirate factions (both regular missions & storylines...and noting how killing belt rats only lowers standings with individual NPC pirate corps, not factions.) It would also be interesting to see what happens there with CONCORD Assembly faction, etc.

Thanks for taking my in-game questions. Smile

~LZ

ULSTER MAN
Posted - 2010.08.24 13:06:00 - [92]
 

Edited by: ULSTER MAN on 24/08/2010 13:09:18
I run level 5's in amarr space and am making a killing on the isk side of things. my minnie and gallente are -6.4 and -5.1.

I want to fix this but i want to be able to keep running level's 5 for the isk (and against those factions)

anyone got an idea how to do this and still run all the missions that amarr give me?
OR is this not possible?



DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2010.08.24 21:42:00 - [93]
 

Originally by: ULSTER MAN
Edited by: ULSTER MAN on 24/08/2010 13:09:18
I run level 5's in amarr space and am making a killing on the isk side of things. my minnie and gallente are -6.4 and -5.1.

I want to fix this but i want to be able to keep running level's 5 for the isk (and against those factions)

anyone got an idea how to do this and still run all the missions that amarr give me?
OR is this not possible?


This 'Plan' will fix or repair bad standings but if you insist on running encounter missions against those Factions, then you might as well just forget about fixing those 'Unfriendly' Faction Standings.

As long as you maintain a Faction Standing above -2.00, you'll always have access to your level 5 Amarr Agent provided you have enough corporation or personal standing.

Bottom line: you have to decide if you want to continue doing Anti Faction encounter missions or start being a Diplomat, the choice is yours.

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2010.08.24 22:09:00 - [94]
 

Edited by: DeMichael Crimson on 24/08/2010 22:18:47


Originally by: Lagruna Zegata
Great guide, DeMichael. Once you feel like everything is finished and polished it could make a good addition to the EVElopedia.

The guide is very comprehensive for Empire, and the only exotic thing that might be added is more info on working for the different pirate factions (both regular missions & storylines...and noting how killing belt rats only lowers standings with individual NPC pirate corps, not factions.) It would also be interesting to see what happens there with CONCORD Assembly faction, etc.

Thanks for taking my in-game questions. Smile

~LZ


LZ, thank you very much Cool

I hope you got the answers you were looking for.

Looks like I'll have to do a bit of research and add a section about the Pirate NPC Factions. I do know that CCP has made it easy for players to improve Pirate Faction Standings with the Pirate Faction Epic Arcs. Only need +4.80 Corporation or Faction Standing with one of the 3 starting agents (1 Pirate, 2 Empire). Then there's also COSMOS Pirate Agents, the skill 'Criminal Connections' and of course all the regular Agents. Since all Agents level 1 quality 0 and lower are available to everyone, I'm sure it shouldn't be too hard to build up positive standings with the NPC Pirate Factions.

Now the major question I have:

Does anyone have Personal Security Status above -2.00 (Travel), Faction Standings above -5.00 (Travel) or -2.00 (Access) with all or most of the Empire Factions and has very high positive Pirate Faction Standings?

I would very much like to talk with them and find out how they accomplished it and more on how they maintain those standings.

Sagesse
Posted - 2010.08.29 13:31:00 - [95]
 

Edited by: Sagesse on 29/08/2010 13:31:25
Tutorial Agents

http://www.eve-wiki.net/index.php?title=Tutorial_Agents

I think the link to tutorial agents is broken, this is the link, seriously great post, thanks!

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2010.08.29 22:39:00 - [96]
 

Originally by: Sagesse
Edited by: Sagesse on 29/08/2010 13:31:25
Tutorial Agents

http://www.eve-wiki.net/index.php?title=Tutorial_Agents

I think the link to tutorial agents is broken, this is the link, seriously great post, thanks!


Thanks, I just checked and the link I have listed for the Tutorial Agents is good. It should take you to Evelopedia which has the exact same information as the link you listed.

I had originally used the Eve-Wiki link but when trying to set up a quick link to it, the Eve Online censor does something which makes the link broken.

Bear Templar
Reality Dysfunction Inc.
Posted - 2010.08.31 22:21:00 - [97]
 

At what stage would you advise starting say if your standings were 1.55 (raised from -0.06 due to Diplomacy)?

After seeing your response to my thread, i read your plan (which is very handy btw) and with my character already at 1.55 i was going to skip the tutorial and career agents and go from the "circle" agents. Your thoughts?

Takseen
Posted - 2010.08.31 23:27:00 - [98]
 

Just confirming I finished the Gallente epic arc today and got +12.5% faction standings(with Social V) with no associated penalty to any other empire factions.

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2010.09.01 01:32:00 - [99]
 

Originally by: Bear Templar
At what stage would you advise starting say if your standings were 1.55 (raised from -0.06 due to Diplomacy)?

After seeing your response to my thread, i read your plan (which is very handy btw) and with my character already at 1.55 i was going to skip the tutorial and career agents and go from the "circle" agents. Your thoughts?


I'm a firm believer in the old saying 'Every little bit helps'.

The Tutorial, Career, Circle and a few of the Data Center Agents are available to everyone as long as you can enter those high security systems. They are the 1st part of the 'Plan' for repairing bad Faction standings. I guess you could always complete those agent missions later.

Myself, I think they are super easy to gain Faction standing boost with and you might as well complete them since 'Every little bit helps'. Cool

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2010.09.01 01:49:00 - [100]
 

Originally by: Takseen
Just confirming I finished the Gallente epic arc today and got +12.5% faction standings(with Social V) with no associated penalty to any other empire factions.


Takseen,

Congratulations. I hope this 'Plan' has been helpful to you.


Takseen
Posted - 2010.09.03 16:48:00 - [101]
 

Edited by: Takseen on 03/09/2010 16:53:55
Just repeated the Sisters of Eve epic arc. After choosing the Amarr commander in one of the final missions, I got a +8.75% standings boost(with Social V) with the Amarr and no penalties to the other empires once the arc was complete. I also got a few level 1 storyline missions, though none were for factions I wanted to increase at the time.

Edit : Oh, quick question. I'm on -0.45 with the Amarr(-3.06 before Diplomacy V). When does it switch over to being affected by Connections skill, when I hit 0.00 basic or adjusted standing?

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2010.09.04 00:31:00 - [102]
 

Originally by: Takseen
Edited by: Takseen on 03/09/2010 16:53:55
Just repeated the Sisters of Eve epic arc. After choosing the Amarr commander in one of the final missions, I got a +8.75% standings boost(with Social V) with the Amarr and no penalties to the other empires once the arc was complete. I also got a few level 1 storyline missions, though none were for factions I wanted to increase at the time.

Edit : Oh, quick question. I'm on -0.45 with the Amarr(-3.06 before Diplomacy V). When does it switch over to being affected by Connections skill, when I hit 0.00 basic or adjusted standing?



When Faction standing reaches 0.00 from being modified by Diplomacy skill, that Faction will not show up in the standings list of the character sheet until enough standing is gained for the Connections skill to modify. Neutral standings with Corporations and Factions are not listed so don't be worried if it doesn't show up for a while.

Gratz to you on the standings gain.

I was just wondering, have you been following or working the majority of this 'Plan'? If so, how much of the 'Plan' have you completed?

Takseen
Posted - 2010.09.04 09:09:00 - [103]
 

Originally by: DeMichael Crimson


Gratz to you on the standings gain.

I was just wondering, have you been following or working the majority of this 'Plan'? If so, how much of the 'Plan' have you completed?


Thanks!
When I started using the Plan my unmodified standings were
Gallente 5.74
Minmatar 4.94
Amarr -5.59
Caldari -4.87
That was a product of grinding faction standings for Gallente and not really caring about doing anti-empire missions in the process.
I wanted to do the Gallente epic arc first so I completed a few of the Data centre tag missions and a few COSMOS missions to bring me up to a modified 6.80 Gallente standing.

Currently I'm working on Amarr standings repair, I've done 10/15 of the Tutorial agents and 5/15 of the Career Path agents. I also repeated the Sisters epic arc and chose the Amarr faction boost. Thats put me on -3.06 before Diplomacy V as I said. I haven't done anything with/for the Caldari yet. Hopefully the remaining tutorial agents will boost my standings enough to do level 2 COSMOS missions and such without having to mission grind or go over to the Caldari, but I'm not sure yet.

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2010.09.04 11:24:00 - [104]
 

Cool, I'm glad the 'Plan' has helped you.

Just remember that completing missions for the allied Faction agents will also help raise the initial Faction standings as well.

Sagesse
Posted - 2010.09.04 16:20:00 - [105]
 

can someone just clarify the sisters arc for me then, what standings approx and you get to choose a faction at the end ? - I ask only because this wasnt evident from say the write up on eve survival - sounded worthless but if you get standings I'm in :D

Sagesse
Posted - 2010.09.04 16:25:00 - [106]
 

also, for gallente cosmos, I tried it an age ago and got thukker (I think) standings and lost gallente so stopped, can someone confirm then if you follow the entire storyboard your gallente standings get raised by the end ?

Cheers

Sage


Takseen
Posted - 2010.09.04 17:17:00 - [107]
 

Originally by: Sagesse
also, for gallente cosmos, I tried it an age ago and got thukker (I think) standings and lost gallente so stopped, can someone confirm then if you follow the entire storyboard your gallente standings get raised by the end ?

Cheers

Sage




The Gallente COSMOS constellation is a bit weird, as you noticed its got a bunch of Thukker and Caldari agents in there too. Just stick to doing missions for the Gallente agents and you'll see a nice boost to your standings.

The Sisters of Eve epic arc only grants corporation standings for each individual mission, you'll end up with 1-2% increases with a couple minor corporations from each faction, plus a bigger increase with the sisters corporation itself. You'll also get a couple L1 storyline missions since all 50 of the Arc missions count towards getting them. Just no guarantee that the storylines will be for the faction you want.

And at the end you're given a choice of one of the 4 empire factions to ally with. Completing the arc gives you a 7% boost with the chosen faction, but without the penalty to the other factions as with storyline boosts.

Sagesse
Posted - 2010.09.04 22:49:00 - [108]
 

great, thanks

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2010.09.04 22:50:00 - [109]
 

Edited by: DeMichael Crimson on 04/09/2010 23:07:27


Sisters Of Eve Level 1 Epic Arc:

Need to be able to enter all Factions high security systems (Amarr, Ammatar, Caldari, Gallente, Minmatar). No other standings are required. Can pick one Faction (Amarr, Caldari, Gallente, Minmatar) and receive +8.75% Faction standing increase at the end of the SoE arc.

Level 4 Epic Arc:

Need +6.80 Corporation or Faction standing only with the starting Agent (1st one) in the arc. Will receive +12.75% Faction standing increase at the end of the arc.

All Epic Arcs can be completed every 3 months for Faction Standing increase. Each mission in the arcs will give standings with the Agents Corporation. No derived standings, positive or negative, are received from the Epic Arcs.

EDIT: Agents Level 1 Quality 0 and lower are available to everyone regardless of standings. All agents above Level 1 Quality 0 require a minimum Faction standing above -2.00 as well as a specific amount of Corporation standing for access. Only COSMOS Agents require a specific amount of positive Faction Standing for access. All Agents will accept standings modified by Social skills.

Ortolano Gonfio
Posted - 2010.09.05 00:04:00 - [110]
 

sorry to bother,
i've got -5.50 and -5.66 respectively with caldari state and amarr empire.
how i can increase the standing with caldari and amarr below the -5.0, so i can pass/pve without getting annoied by the local police?
actualy im skilling diplomacy to 5, but still 6 days on the clock and i dont think it will clear for good the problem...

i looked at the guide, but how i can even try to run a level 1 mission for them, if the police scram to ass **** me? :D
thanks in advice!

Urgg Boolean
Posted - 2010.09.05 15:07:00 - [111]
 

Originally by: Ortolano Gonfio
sorry to bother,
i've got -5.50 and -5.66 respectively with caldari state and amarr empire.
how i can increase the standing with caldari and amarr below the -5.0, so i can pass/pve without getting annoied by the local police?
actualy im skilling diplomacy to 5, but still 6 days on the clock and i dont think it will clear for good the problem...

i looked at the guide, but how i can even try to run a level 1 mission for them, if the police scram to ass **** me? :D
thanks in advice!


I was in a similar boat a while ago, except my standings were in the -8's. There are two factions that allow you to run missions and make standing gains even if you have seriously bad standings with the main factions. I ran missions for Ammatar Mandate starting in the Sasta system (IIRC) and working up to L4's in the Tidacha system. You can also run missions for the Khanid, although I don't know what systems they occupy...

You can navigate via pod without getting shot at by the local navies - but someone may want to suicide gank you just for fun.

Urgg Boolean
Posted - 2010.09.05 15:15:00 - [112]
 

Cosmos Missions :: these missions seem to give a lot more standing than normal mission, yes? I see clearly that doing these improves standing rapidly, but won't they also seriously degrade your standing with opposing factions?

So I guess what I'm asking, should we have adequate standing to run these for all factions, else we will not be able to bounce between factions to keep standings balanced, which is the whole point of this plan ?!?!

I'm just having trouble seeing how the Cosmos missions fit into the plan witout causing more problems than they fix...

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2010.09.05 22:39:00 - [113]
 

Originally by: Ortolano Gonfio
sorry to bother,
i've got -5.50 and -5.66 respectively with caldari state and amarr empire.
how i can increase the standing with caldari and amarr below the -5.0, so i can pass/pve without getting annoied by the local police?
actualy im skilling diplomacy to 5, but still 6 days on the clock and i dont think it will clear for good the problem...

i looked at the guide, but how i can even try to run a level 1 mission for them, if the police scram to ass **** me? :D
thanks in advice!


Look for Amarr or Caldari corporations that have stations and Agents located in Gallente or Minmatar space. You'll have to do some regular mission grinding (16 + storyline) for Level 1 Quality 0 and lower Agents until you raise Amarr or Caldari Faction Standing above -5.00. Then you can freely enter that 'Unfriendly' Faction's space and start working the 'Plan'.

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2010.09.05 23:37:00 - [114]
 

Edited by: DeMichael Crimson on 05/09/2010 23:41:02


Originally by: Urgg Boolean
Cosmos Missions :: these missions seem to give a lot more standing than normal mission, yes? I see clearly that doing these improves standing rapidly, but won't they also seriously degrade your standing with opposing factions?

So I guess what I'm asking, should we have adequate standing to run these for all factions, else we will not be able to bounce between factions to keep standings balanced, which is the whole point of this plan ?!?!

I'm just having trouble seeing how the Cosmos missions fit into the plan witout causing more problems than they fix...


The positive standing gain received is always more than the negative standing hit. You just have to watch your standings.

Example: You have +6.50 Minmatar Faction standing from working most of the Minmatar level 3 Cosmos Agents and you see Amarr Faction standing has dropped to +4.10 and you haven't worked any Amarr Cosmos. That's when you 'Bounce' over and work the Amarr Cosmos Agents. When Minmatar Faction standing drops to just above +4.00, you then 'Bounce' back to Minmatar.

Also the Data Center tag missions can help. While working the Amarr Cosmos, you turn in Tags for Minmatar, etc. The main thing is to always check your standings after you have completed an agent mission which will let you know what steps need to done next. Unfortunately, every once in a while you might have to do some regular mission grinding to get back to working the 'Plan'.

I hope this explains things for you. If you read all the entries in this post, you'll see that I've listed all the steps I've taken while working this 'Plan'. I will be posting another update of my statistics very soon.

L0nz0p
Insurgent New Eden Tribe
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2010.09.05 23:42:00 - [115]
 

Edited by: L0nz0p on 05/09/2010 23:42:06
thanks for the guide!

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2010.09.06 01:21:00 - [116]
 

Originally by: L0nz0p
Edited by: L0nz0p on 05/09/2010 23:42:06
thanks for the guide!


Your welcome, it's good to know this 'Plan' is helping players.

Feel free to inform others in-game about this 'Plan' to fix bad standings.

Kary Tamona
Crom Demons
Posted - 2010.09.06 09:57:00 - [117]
 

Edited by: Kary Tamona on 06/09/2010 13:23:14
Edited by: Kary Tamona on 06/09/2010 11:03:44
Edited by: Kary Tamona on 06/09/2010 10:00:14
Originally by: DeMichael Crimson

[...]

The 'Last Resort' option is to purposely fail storyline missions for your friendly Factions. This results in a negative hit to friendly Corp/Faction standing while giving positive standing to unfriendly Factions.


Hi Crimson, thanks for the guide, really helpful stuff.

I have a question though. I recall that some time ago the failing of missions to gain standings with an "enemy" faction was corrected and that nowadays failing a mission will NOT give you any derived standing increase. I got no link to this one, and I could be mistaken. Am I?

It would be great if you or someone else could clarify this point. Thanks in advance.

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2010.09.08 09:50:00 - [118]
 

Edited by: DeMichael Crimson on 08/09/2010 09:55:11


Well, that's a very good question and thanks for bringing that to my attention. ugh

I spent a lot of time reading all the past Patch Notes and I didn't see anything about that. I might have missed it so if anyone else knows that to be fact, please link it and I'll be sure to remove the 'Last Resort' option from the 'Plan'.

EDIT:
I guess what I'll do is complete 16 level 1 agent missions with a Corporation of my highest Faction standing and then purposely fail the storyline mission offered and see what happens. I really don't want to do that but if I'm gonna have the 'Last Resort' option listed in the 'Plan', then I need to be sure that it still works.

Hagen Guralman
Posted - 2010.09.08 17:31:00 - [119]
 

Timing could not have been better. I came to this forum to search for tips on fixing faction standings without destroying the other ones I've built up, and landed on this thread. Perfect!

Thanks for your hard work.

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2010.09.09 14:57:00 - [120]
 

Originally by: Hagen Guralman
Timing could not have been better. I came to this forum to search for tips on fixing faction standings without destroying the other ones I've built up, and landed on this thread. Perfect!

Thanks for your hard work.


You're welcome. Cool

I hope you have good luck working the 'Plan'


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