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DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2010.05.09 19:19:00 - [61]
 

Thanks.

You're right, it's the corp that needs the Faction Standing to anchor a POS. Corporation standing can be figured using all active member standings. Characters on inactive accounts don't count towards the total. If the corporation was just created, it will take a few days to get correct faction standing for the corporation. Every DT the faction standing raises to the correct standing value.

This 'Faction Standing Repair Plan' will boost or help bring the personal Faction Standings of player characters up to a positive level quickly which will also help the corp standings for anchoring a POS in high security systems.


WredStorm
Posted - 2010.06.16 19:46:00 - [62]
 

Bookmarking.

Sexbot
Minmatar
Happy Bottom Riding Club
Posted - 2010.06.19 01:58:00 - [63]
 

Originally by: JordanParey
first.

Also, much of the information in the op is well-known, perhaps you could have saved yourself some time and just posted this (hopefully decent) plan by itself?

Dumbass

802O8020802O80208020
Posted - 2010.06.28 15:38:00 - [64]
 

First off, great info!!

just started grinding missions i 0.0 and my gall and min standings are taking a beating. Is it possible for them both to drop so far down that the repair plan is no longer viable

For instance, if you have diplomacy 5 and youre still beneath -5 for both factions.

Cheers


DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2010.06.29 12:28:00 - [65]
 

Originally by: 802O8020802O80208020
First off, great info!!

just started grinding missions i 0.0 and my gall and min standings are taking a beating. Is it possible for them both to drop so far down that the repair plan is no longer viable

For instance, if you have diplomacy 5 and youre still beneath -5 for both factions.

Cheers





Thank you.

It seems to me that you'll have to find some Level 1 Quality 0 or lower Minmatar or Gallente agents located in one of the regions that you have access to without getting attacked by the NPC Navy. You're going to have to grind out some missions for a while until you get either Minmatar or Gallente Faction standing above -5.00. If you don't have any Minmatar/Gallente agents available you can run missions for a Faction that's friendly to Minmatar and/or Gallente Faction and receive derived standing gains from storyline missions.

The last option open is to purposely fail the storyline missions from your friendly Factions. This will result in a standing loss hit to friendly Corporation and Faction standing but at the same time it will give standing gains to your unfriendly Factions. As soon as you get one of the 2 unfriendly Factions above -5.00, start working the 'Plan'. Of course this is a last resort.

First things first, try to find another Faction to work for so you'll get derived standing gains, like Sisters of Eve.

http://www.newedenlibrary.net/eon/faction_standings.shtml

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2010.06.30 07:26:00 - [66]
 

Well, I've edited some of the links in the 'Plan' since Evelopedia has been updated. That should make it easier to get information for most of the specific agent types.

I had to do a lot of regular mission grinding for Gallente. Ever since CCP added that new Storyline mission that takes you into low sec systems against overpowered NPCs, I've had to decline 4 storyline missions along with about a dozen regular missions.

While messing around with some Destroyer fit ups doing Level 1 and Level 2 Agent missions for Brutor Tribe in Rens System, I unexpectedly received 2 storyline missions for Minmatar which kinda put a hurt on Amarr and Ammatar.

However, eventually I did manage to get back to working the 'Plan'. My Standings have now done another 'Sea-Saw' and I'm currently 'Bouncing' back and forth between Gallente and Caldari Cosmos Agents. I have 7 Level 3 Cosmos Agents left to complete.

Just wanted to mention that at last count I have collected 120 Storyline BPC's and have received 9 different Storyline Modules as well as a ton of Faction Munitions along with different types of Implants.

Current Statistics:

Faction Standings
+5.86 Minmatar Republic
+4.67 Gallente Federation
+4.59 Caldari State
+3.18 Amarr Empire
+2.75 Ammatar Mandate

Social Skills
Level 5 Social
Level 5 Connections
Level 4 Diplomacy
Level 4 Negotiation
Level 4 Fast Talk

Data Centers (Tags completed)
Minmatar = Angel Crystal and lower - still need Gold
Gallente = Serpentis Diamond and lower - still need Brass and Gold
Caldari = Guristas Crystal and lower - still need Brass
Amarr = Blood Crystal and lower - still need Gold
Ammatar = Sansha Crystal and lower - still need Gold

Event Agents completed
All Tutorial, Career and Circle Agents for all 4 major Factions.
Minmatar = All Cosmos Level 3 and lower
Gallente = Most of Cosmos Level 3 and all lower (Level 3 agents left = 3)
Caldari = Most of Cosmos Level 3 and all lower (Level 3 agents left = 4)
Amarr = All Cosmos Level 3 and lower

I still have a lot of Cosmos Agent missions left to complete (Level 4) as well as the rest of the Data Centers Tag missions. Also the Level 4 Epic Arc Agent missions. I'll do another update on my statistics as soon as I complete the Level 3 Cosmos Agents.

Gavjack Bunk
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2010.07.08 16:08:00 - [67]
 

Edited by: Gavjack Bunk on 08/07/2010 16:08:50
Originally by: Boogie Bobby
Any idea at what point the Career/Tutorial agents lose effectiveness?

I'm at 6.85 and a tour of the circle agents didn't even register as a transaction.

I'm looking for 6.9 to run a particular 4/18 agent. Used up all the tag options and epic arcs so this is it before I blitz courier missions to get the storylines.



I have been following this plan without really knowing about it for some time now. I noticed that COSMOS missions were only giving me half the faction gain that I should have been getting.

After some investigation, I was reading anecdotal evidence that above a certain level, the reward was halved for Data Centre rewards, but it didn't mention COSMOS.

My usually reliable set of German friends, meticulously and ruthlessly efficient and precise with their answers let me down horribly on this issue, so I have had to resort to gathering information directly.

So far I have found that once you are above 5.0 faction standing, any faction rewards for that faction are halved, with the sole exception of Storyline Mission rewards, they appear to be unaffected by this "Purely for the Grind" phenomena.

I didn't care to note whether the associated corp standing was halved.

In practical terms, for quick faction standing swings below 5.0 one can use COSMOS and data centres, circle missions and the tutorial agents. However, once 5.0 has been reached, you should stop running those things and save them for later when you dip below 5.0 and want to raise it back up again. Use just Missioning to raise faction standings over 5.0
I suppose what that means is that the best way to use COSMOS and the like to gain Caldari would be to CaldariCosmos until 5.0, then AmarrCosmos until 5.0 which should boost your caldari standing, through derived standings, by the same amount you would have got for running (wasting) Caldari cosmos directly.

Probably.

Khazryn
Caldari
Posted - 2010.07.11 17:55:00 - [68]
 

DMC,

First of all, thanks very much for all the work you've done to compile this data and strategize all of this together. It's very appreciated, and has shed a lot of light to me on how faction gaining works and how to go about it.

I'm having a bit of trouble with some concepts in your writeup though, and I was hoping you or someone else could clarify for me. I think the biggest thing that I'm having trouble with is the 'bounce' technique you speak of.

My understanding of it is this; Each of the quests you have listed provide a faction boost (whether it's from the quest itself, or the last one in the chain, I understand they don't all give faction increases) but each faction boost you get comes coupled with a faction reduction with the opposing sides (Amarr/Caldari go up, Gallente/Minmatar go down). The 'bounce' technique appears designed to minimize the damage caused to any one faction while you are increasing faction with one side. Based on that, I would like to know if the following is true:

1) Completing all the missions you have listed on one side (lets say Amarr for example) then switching to all the missions on the other (lets say Minmatar) would be a bad way to go, as then completing Minmatar missions would lower your Amarr faction more then it would otherwise since it would essentially be higher.
2) Is it accurate then to say that, while implementing the 'bounce' technique, you always want to be completing missions for the faction you have the lowest standing with?
3) If 2 is accurate, then the determination of when you should bounce to another faction would be when it falls to the lowest standing relative to the other factions.

I'm sure these questions have already been answered by your guide, but I can admittedly be pretty thick and just want to make sure my understanding of the concepts are solid. I'm endeavoring to follow your guide through a few different characters for several different reasons.

I currently have 4 accounts, and each account has one character that represents one of the 4 factions in EVE. I'd like each of these characters to have high standing with their respective faction, but I also don't want to lock them out of other factions in case I want to use my other accounts to help in mission running, go to specific researching agents, or go through other territories to transport goods.

It would probably be easier in the short term to just pick a single faction and have all 4 of my characters mission for them and gain standing so they are on the same page, but it seems like in the long run I might want to have the option of going to other factions space if I want.

Alatari
Gallente
Winterdawn
Posted - 2010.07.11 18:31:00 - [69]
 

Originally by: DeMichael Crimson
While doing this 'Plan', you might get stuck and won't be able to access or continue to the next level of Data Center Agents or Cosmos Agents. If this happens you will have to do some regular NPC Corporation missions (16 + storyline) until you have gained the required Faction or Corporation standing to continue with this 'Plan'.

My advice is to do missions for the highest level/quality agent available to you in the Divisions that give a lot of Courier missions because these can be done very quickly. The goal here is to get back to working the 'Plan' asap.

At this point you're only interested in completing 16 missions as quickly as possible to obtain the next storyline mission. Its better to find the highest level / lowest quality agent, they give out the easier missions which can be completed more quickly.

Dodgy Past
Amarr
Digital Fury Corporation
Posted - 2010.07.11 20:04:00 - [70]
 

Edited by: Dodgy Past on 11/07/2010 20:04:47
Quality DOES NOT affect mission difficulty.

Also the harder missions such as AE give higher standings gains.

Patrice Macmahon
The Lost Minmatar Legion
Posted - 2010.07.12 01:07:00 - [71]
 

Originally by: Alatari
Originally by: DeMichael Crimson
While doing this 'Plan', you might get stuck and won't be able to access or continue to the next level of Data Center Agents or Cosmos Agents. If this happens you will have to do some regular NPC Corporation missions (16 + storyline) until you have gained the required Faction or Corporation standing to continue with this 'Plan'.

My advice is to do missions for the highest level/quality agent available to you in the Divisions that give a lot of Courier missions because these can be done very quickly. The goal here is to get back to working the 'Plan' asap.

At this point you're only interested in completing 16 missions as quickly as possible to obtain the next storyline mission. Its better to find the highest level / lowest quality agent, they give out the easier missions which can be completed more quickly.


If your going to this route, skip combat all together. Find a courier agent that feeds into a courier storyline agent. Youll complete 3-4 courier missions in the time it takes someone to do a single kill mission. Blitz the couriers, unlock the storyline. The highest standings gain storyline mission I've run into are the 20,000 m3 hauler missions. They give 25% corp standings, and 7% faction standings if I remember correctly. Its pretty sick, and allows you to get fact standings up fairly quick.

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2010.07.12 04:24:00 - [72]
 

Originally by: Khazryn
DMC,

Complements, Questions and Plans.



Thanks, I hope I can make the 'Bounce' action a little more easier to understand.

When first working the 'Plan', completing all the Tutorial, Career, Circle, level 1 Data Center and level 1 COSMOS Agents for the highest 'Unfriendly' Faction will hopefully unlock or make the lowest 'Unfriendly' Faction open to work the same type of Agents. They can be done in order without the 'Bounce' action.

As soon as both 'Unfriendly' Factions have positive Standing, it's best to keep watch on the standings and when one of the main Factions standing gets low, 'Bounce' to it and work the agents. The 'Bounce' action usually won't have to be done with the lower level agents. With the higher level agents, I try to work (Bounce) the opposite Factions at the same time so that the standings don't get too lop-sided.

For example, I'm working the level 3 Caldari and Gallente Cosmos agents now. They need a Faction Standing of +4.00 or higher for access. To make sure I have access to both Factions, I'll complete missions for one or more agents of one Faction and then 'Bounce' over to the other Faction. After completing missions for one of the higher level agents, I'll check my standings to see if I should 'Bounce'.

As for new characters working the 'Plan', doing the 'Bounce' action (When needed) should help keep all the main Factions standings close to equal.

I hope this explains the 'Bounce' action.

Answers to your questions:

1 - At first, No. After a while, Yes, because you'll have to 'Bounce' back and forth just to keep the 'Sea-Saw' going.

2 - Yes. That's a good way to help keep the standings close to equal and not allow one Faction standing to get too low.

3 - Well, the main idea is to be able to have access to all agents. If 1/2 way through working one Factions agents (level 3) and it's standings go up to +6.35 and you only need +4.00 while at the same time the opposite Faction goes down to +4.02 and you still have a lot of level 3 agents to complete for them, then you should 'Bounce' to them. If not, you could get locked out or 'stuck' and might end up having to do a lot of regular mission grinding just to get back to working the 'Plan'.

I hope this was helpful.


On a side note:
I'll be adding another section to the 'Plan' about the Epic Arc's, Mainly the level 1 SoE Arc which can be used every 3 months to help even up lop-sided Faction Standings. Also when each Factions standing get's up high enough to access the first agent in the level 4 Epic Arc's, it's a good idea to complete that first mission of the arc and then let the Arc sit in the journal. That way after you've completed all the Cosmos agents, you'll still have access to the level 4 Epic Arcs which also can be completed every 3 months for Faction Standing gain.

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2010.07.12 04:35:00 - [73]
 

Originally by: Alatari
Originally by: DeMichael Crimson
While doing this 'Plan', you might get stuck and won't be able to access or continue to the next level of Data Center Agents or Cosmos Agents. If this happens you will have to do some regular NPC Corporation missions (16 + storyline) until you have gained the required Faction or Corporation standing to continue with this 'Plan'.

My advice is to do missions for the highest level/quality agent available to you in the Divisions that give a lot of Courier missions because these can be done very quickly. The goal here is to get back to working the 'Plan' asap.

At this point you're only interested in completing 16 missions as quickly as possible to obtain the next storyline mission. Its better to find the highest level / lowest quality agent, they give out the easier missions which can be completed more quickly.


The reason I suggested the highest level and highest quality agent for doing courier missions is because there's no reason to cut yourself out of getting the max rewards available from doing those missions, also they can all be completed rather quickly so time shouldn't be a factor.

Khazryn
Caldari
Posted - 2010.07.13 23:06:00 - [74]
 

Thanks for your response DMC, you answered my questions.

Keep rocking the plan, curious to see your progress in your next status update.

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2010.07.17 12:07:00 - [75]
 

Well, I would like to thank everyone who has added links or advised me to add more information pertaining to Faction Standing increase. Due to a series of events and other players advice posted in this thread is the reason for the updated information and URL links that are now added to the 'Plan'. I think I've got everything covered now, at least until CCP decides to add or change something again.

While I was working the last few level 3 Caldari and Gallente COSMOS Agents left to complete, I started doing R&D missions for my lv 4 Research Agents (4 total) with Core Complexion (Minmatar R&D Corp) to get the double research points. Without realizing it, I was getting corp standing increase with each mission completed and then unexpectedly received a lv 4 Storyline Mission offer which I accepted and completed. Needless to say, it placed another heavy hit to my Amarr and Ammatar Faction Standings lowering them even more.

After completing all the lv 3 COSMOS Agents, I then decided to run the Sisters of Eve Epic Arc which I completed within a few days. I picked Amarr Faction at the end to help raise the Amarr standings. I recieved 8.75% Faction Standing increase which helped it a bit.

I have already accessed and completed the Minmatar Epic Arc starting Agent mission (First one of the Arc) and am leaving that arc in my journal which I can continue later after completing all the lv 4 COSMOS Agent missions.

I am currently doing some regular mission grinding for the highest agent I can access right now that offers a lot of Courier missions, Level 3 Quality +3 Agent - Storage Division - Expert Distribution Corporation - Caldari Faction, to raise Corp or Faction Standing (Whichever comes first) to access and complete the Caldari Epic Arc starting Agent mission.

I plan on doing this with all the Level 4 Epic Arc starting agents which I'm sure will 'Sea-Saw' my standings some more. After I gain access to all the Epic Arcs, I'll go back to working the level 4 COSMOS Agents.

I've collected 132 Storyline BPC's and 12 Storyline modules so far from doing COSMOS missions. Not to mention a ton of Faction munitions and various Implants.

My current statistics:

Security Status:
+4.82

Faction Standings:
Minmatar +6.42
Gallente +5.25
Caldari +4.19
Amarr +3.46
Ammatar +2.24

Social Skills:
Social = Level 5
Connections = Level 5
Diplomacy = Level 4
Negotiation = Level 4
Fast Talk = Level 4

Data Center Tags completed:
Minmatar = Angel Crystal and lower - need Gold
Gallente = Serpentis Diamond and lower - need Brass and Gold
Caldari = Guristas Crystal and lower - need Brass
Amarr = Blood Crystal and lower - need Gold
Ammatar = Sansha Crystal and lower - need Gold

Event Agents completed:
All Factions = Tutorial, Career, Circle Agents

COSMOS completed:
Minmatar = All Level 3 and lower Agents
Gallente = All Level 3 and lower Agents
Caldari = All Level 3 and lower Agents
Amarr = All Level 3 and lower Agents

Epic Arcs completed:
Sisters of Eve (Lv 1) = Completed 2 (1 Minmatar, 1 Amarr)
Minmatar (Lv 4) = Started


I'll update my statistics each time I access an Epic Arc starting Agent. I hope this updated 'Faction Standing Repair Plan' helps everyone and if I happen to miss anything or if you find a more current URL link, please post it and I'll make sure to edit this 'Plan'.

On a side note, as soon as my Security Status hits +5.00 and - Fast Talk - is trained to Lv 5, I'll access the 'Special' Concord Agents and complete their missions.

Takseen
Posted - 2010.08.06 15:55:00 - [76]
 

Edited by: Takseen on 06/08/2010 16:04:36
Edited by: Takseen on 06/08/2010 15:56:51
Edit : I got the full standing boost from the 3 serpentis copper tags Data Center mission despite already being at 5.80 standing. So looks like its a good way to boost your standing even if you're reasonably high.

Also got the expected 1.5% from 20 bronze tags, but only 1.72% instead of 3% from the 20 silver tags. So still not sure whats going there with my gains vs the ones reported on Evelopedia.

Manipulator General
o.0
Posted - 2010.08.06 16:22:00 - [77]
 

Originally by: DeMichael Crimson
On a side note, as soon as my Security Status hits +5.00 and - Fast Talk - is trained to Lv 5, I'll access the 'Special' Concord Agents and complete their missions.



wha...I must investigate this further. I never knew such a thing existed.

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2010.08.06 20:38:00 - [78]
 

Originally by: Manipulator General
Originally by: DeMichael Crimson
On a side note, as soon as my Security Status hits +5.00 and - Fast Talk - is trained to Lv 5, I'll access the 'Special' Concord Agents and complete their missions.



wha...I must investigate this further. I never knew such a thing existed.


Yeah, this is the link about it.

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Security_status#How_to_get_above_5.0_Security_Status

Jessica Cirio
Posted - 2010.08.07 15:00:00 - [79]
 

Edited by: Jessica Cirio on 07/08/2010 15:01:42
Edited by: Jessica Cirio on 07/08/2010 15:00:55
Hi there , how do i rise my standings with caldari ( -5,95 ) and amarr (-5,75) i hate being shoot in empire lol , any advice ? ty

jess.

Social Skills
Level 5 Social
Level 5 Connections
Level 5 Diplomacy
Level 5 Negotiation

Arriaz
Posted - 2010.08.07 16:32:00 - [80]
 

I fully endorse the "Plan". It has made life much easier.

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2010.08.07 17:22:00 - [81]
 

Edited by: DeMichael Crimson on 07/08/2010 17:30:03
Originally by: Jessica Cirio
Edited by: Jessica Cirio on 07/08/2010 15:01:42
Edited by: Jessica Cirio on 07/08/2010 15:00:55
Hi there , how do i rise my standings with caldari ( -5,95 ) and amarr (-5,75) i hate being shoot in empire lol , any advice ? ty

jess.

Social Skills
Level 5 Social
Level 5 Connections
Level 5 Diplomacy
Level 5 Negotiation


Well, the Eve Censor's are working overtime again or I'm just having one of those days. I can't get these to link correctly so you'll have to copy and paste these into your out of game Internet browser.

http://www.eve-agents.com/

http://agents.eve-commander.com/

http://eve-online.itemdrop.net/eve_db/agents/

Look for Amarr, Ammatar or Caldari Faction agents, level 1 quality 0 or lower, located in your friendly factions controlled space. You'll have to do some regular mission grinding and get storyline mission offers until you get one of the unfriendly faction standings above -5.00. Then after completing that, you should be able to enter the unfriendly factions space and start working the plan. Just remember to decline all anti-faction encounter missions.

Good luck.

Disintegrator
Minmatar
Kinetic Cartel
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2010.08.10 13:31:00 - [82]
 

Edited by: Disintegrator on 10/08/2010 13:36:46
Edited by: Disintegrator on 10/08/2010 13:35:02
Edited by: Disintegrator on 10/08/2010 13:32:09
Interesting thread, but i have mine 2 cents to add.

If you are not working on something mad like having +5 to every empire faction, you just need yours (for one you love doing missions) and keep eye on it's most hated enemy.

For example me -

i'm doing missions for amarr in hophib (11 q20 lvl4 agents in system, so i can easily choose what mission i want and i don't wanna do). Problem is with storylines, nice thingies, but faction hit.

So i'm keeping eye on minmatar and when i hit like -1.5 for them, i do some missions in closest high sec (neesher) to get storyline. When i finish ONE storyline for them, i get like 5-6 storylines for amarr till it standings swings back.

I'm doing lvl5 too and there is problem to take missions only against pirates. There you need do your own research which missions give you laughable faction hit (like -0.01 per mission including shooting other faction npc's). So you can run them pretty easily.

This way all your other standings will be in good + and if you don't mess it like me, you can have good stand whenever you look.

Before that, i had like +7 amarr, +7 caldari, +2 gallente, +0.5 minmatar.

Another boost you can gain is pirate epic arc, you get ****TON of stand if you finish them (if you do angel one, you will get boost to minmatar standings etc ...). There are different agents which can lead you to them, so np there.

But it's in 0.0 and you need to have balls.

Ysolde Xen
The Causality
Electus Matari
Posted - 2010.08.10 14:14:00 - [83]
 

Originally by: DeMichael Crimson

http://www.newedenlibrary.net/eon/faction_standings.shtml


Do you happen to know up to date those standings are? I ask because it shows Thukker Tribe - Minmatar Republic standing as being -2.00 whereas I'm pretty sure it's changed. I'm at work and cannot log in to check.

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2010.08.10 17:43:00 - [84]
 

Originally by: Ysolde Xen
Originally by: DeMichael Crimson

http://www.newedenlibrary.net/eon/faction_standings.shtml


Do you happen to know up to date those standings are? I ask because it shows Thukker Tribe - Minmatar Republic standing as being -2.00 whereas I'm pretty sure it's changed. I'm at work and cannot log in to check.



Yeah, that link has incorrect statistics listed. On page 1, post #4 of this thread I added a link with updated current statistics regarding Inter-Faction Standings.

http://www.eve-wiki.net/index.php?title=Standings#Standing_Relationships

As I've said from the very beginning, if anyone knows or has any current up to date URL's for any of the information links in this 'Plan', please post them and I'll update/edit the 'Plan' asap.

Goremageddon Box
Posted - 2010.08.12 11:29:00 - [85]
 

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DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2010.08.12 11:39:00 - [86]
 

Originally by: Goremageddon Box
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Goremageddon Box
Posted - 2010.08.12 11:47:00 - [87]
 

Originally by: DeMichael Crimson
Originally by: Goremageddon Box
pimp **** guide


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DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2010.08.12 11:51:00 - [88]
 

Ahhh, ok, thanks a lot, hope it helps. Smile


Doc Farouk
Posted - 2010.08.17 17:06:00 - [89]
 

Superb body of work - Well Done. I will be following parts of your excellent guide to repair my sadly lacking Gallente standings. I have also recommended to several corps I know to read into yoru guide.

Keep up the good work!Laughing

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2010.08.17 18:53:00 - [90]
 

Thank you, it's always good to hear that. Very Happy

If anyone has any related information or more current up to date URL's, please post it and I'll update/edit the 'Plan'.

Good luck to everyone.


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