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DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2010.02.24 02:07:00 - [31]
 

Edited by: DeMichael Crimson on 24/02/2010 02:13:03
Originally by: nivinha
hi there

First off all , congratz on the great guideWink

I started doing the data center agents but got stuck with the high prices tags are going . weird stuff is that is easy to buy guristas diamond tags than guristas copper, silver and so on because they are cheaperSad

i tryed moving along doing some belts but i only got 2 copper tags.

Do you know were are the best places to collect th tags the agentīs are after.

Thx in advanceCool


Thank you. As for buying the Tags, most of the time the big trade hubs, Jita, Rens, ect will have all of them for sale in the market but most of them will be expensive. Also the regions where the Data Centers are located the tags will also be high priced. If you belong to a private player chat channel or NPC corp chat channel, usually those players will have some and will probably give you a good deal on the price.

Sometimes you might be able to find a deal in the contracts but that's very rare. I check the different region markets (not major trade hubs) while traveling and ask others in corp or player chat channels to do a price check (usually from major trade hubs). If it's a good deal, I'll go to that region or have them buy it for me and place the tags in a private contract to me. If the region I'm in has a better deal, I'll buy them. I even buy them in advance if the price is good and let them sit in station since I know I'll be needing them later.

A couple of times I have placed Buy orders for the tags in Rens which usually takes a couple of weeks to fill. I don't like to pay over 2 mill per tag and definitely won't pay 3 mill or above which is why I'm missing some of the tags. Mainly Brass and Gold.

You can find the tags doing regular missions against Pirate NPC Factions, ratting in the belts, running the DED Deadspace Complexes and also the exploration combat sites found by scanning but that takes a long time and you won't always get the type of tag you're looking for or need.

The markets is the fastest way to get the tags. You just have to decide if you want to pay market seller price or place a buy order and wait for it to fill. Course you'll have to set the buy order price higher than all the others if you want it to be filled quickly. Either way it's faster than trying to collect the tags from the wrecks of Pirate Faction NPC's that you've killed.

nivinha
Posted - 2010.02.24 12:44:00 - [32]
 

Thx for the quick reply Very Happy

I guess i will put some buy orderīs arround and see if they will get filled.

Again m8

Great guide Wink

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2010.02.25 02:38:00 - [33]
 

Edited by: DeMichael Crimson on 25/02/2010 02:39:00
Thanks, I hope you haven't accepted the Data Center 'Tag' mission yet. You can always decline it and when you're ready, go talk to the agent again.

nivinha
Posted - 2010.02.25 12:49:00 - [34]
 

coolEmbarassed

You took a big weight from my shoulderīs because iīve opened all the data center missions but only acepted the ones i could dough

So, you mean that i can decline all the tags missions and come back when iīm ready?Shocked

Cuz i wuz under the impression that if i started a conversation with the agent and the mission time expired i couldnīt talk to them againConfused

Thx for the info

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2010.02.26 04:47:00 - [35]
 

Edited by: DeMichael Crimson on 26/02/2010 04:54:55
Yes, decline them before the mission offers expire, if you haven't accepted yet, just talk to agent again and select 'Decline'. Agent will be disappointed but you won't lose standing and you can always go back later when you have the tags. If you do accept, make sure you complete the mission.

The links/URL's in this thread will give you all the info needed so you can be prepared to complete those missions before you even talk to the agents.

Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
Posted - 2010.02.26 09:18:00 - [36]
 

Is it possible to have a plan where my standings (9+) with some factions won't drop to like 5 or so, while rising the opponent factions standings?

Dacryphile
Posted - 2010.02.26 17:41:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Mara Rinn
@DMC - you should consider putting this onto the Wiki, and tagging it as a Guide!

Nice work assembling all those resources!

seconded. This really needs to be in the wiki.

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2010.02.27 04:17:00 - [38]
 

Edited by: DeMichael Crimson on 27/02/2010 04:34:54
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Is it possible to have a plan where my standings (9+) with some factions won't drop to like 5 or so, while rising the opponent factions standings?


The Faction standings is like a Sea-Saw. When one side goes up, the other side goes down, can't get around that. You'll always get a small standings hit with the enemy of the Faction that you boost. The 'Bounce' action would help alleviate that a bit. Would be nice if this 'Plan' could get all the Factions Standings up close to that. I'm not sure just how high this 'Plan' can raise all of the Factions standings.......yet. Maybe if a brand new character started working this 'Plan' right from the start and completed it, then completed all of the Epic Arc's (SOE and the lv 4's) and also declined all regular combat missions against any of the main Factions, they just might get close to that. Like I said, I'm not sure.......yet.
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Dacryphile, thanks. I'm not sure how to submit it. Probably after I complete this 'Plan' along with the lv 4 Epic Arc's, I'll look into it.


Maluno
Amarr
Elsewhere.
The Imperial Senate
Posted - 2010.03.10 09:29:00 - [39]
 

Is it possible to run the Sisters of Eve arc more than once?

Mather Odile
Posted - 2010.03.12 11:18:00 - [40]
 

Congrats for your work on that plan, but one thing comes to my mind; Apart from access to all empire systems which can be done with an alt too, what are the benefits of keeping all positive standings? If, as it seems right now, you cant get standings above 4 with all of the factions, you wont have access to L4 and L3 Q20 agents. Is it probably a randomly choosen goal to achive? I recently decided to do all the missions I get offered at least for the next few days, cause I was tired of declining every second mission.

OtoBnAggie
Posted - 2010.03.16 19:08:00 - [41]
 

First of all, thank you for compiling all of this in one place!

I have an easy question. How many times can you run a mission for a faction increase. The reason that I ask this is because I am confused by some of the instructions in your initial post.

I think that I am understanding that it only is beneficial to run the tutorial/career agent missions once. I do not understand where you get 15 and 15 as it seems to be over 40 missions just in one of the three sectors per race. But I think you are saying only run those sets of missions once for each race and I can just pick the closest Solar system to me.


However, in the Data center Agents I think I am understanding your instructions to be that i should get all three certificates and run These sets of missions in ALL of the solar systems where it is offered? So Unlike the tutorial career agents, it is actually beneficial to run these in all the places they are offered?

Thanks!
Oto

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2010.03.17 00:52:00 - [42]
 

Edited by: DeMichael Crimson on 26/04/2010 04:29:57
Originally by: Mather Odile
Congrats for your work on that plan, but one thing comes to my mind; Apart from access to all empire systems which can be done with an alt too, what are the benefits of keeping all positive standings? If, as it seems right now, you cant get standings above 4 with all of the factions, you wont have access to L4 and L3 Q20 agents. Is it probably a randomly choosen goal to achive? I recently decided to do all the missions I get offered at least for the next few days, cause I was tired of declining every second mission.


You CAN get standings above +4.0 with all of the main factions which is what this 'Plan' will do if you follow it. I am about 2/3rds done with this 'Plan' and my current statistics are:

Skills
Social = level 5
Connections = level 4
Diplomacy = level 4
Negotiation = level 4

Data Center (Tags completed)
Minmatar = Angel Palladium and lower
Gallente = Serpentis Diamond and lower - need Brass and Gold
Caldari = Guristas Crystal and lower - need Brass
Amarr = Blood Crystal and lower - need Gold
Ammatar = Sansha Crystal and lower - need Gold

Agent type completed
Main Factions = All Tutorial, Career and Circle Agents
Caldari = 1/2 of level 3 and all lower Cosmos Agents
Amarr = All level 3 and lower Cosmos Agents
Minmatar = 1/2 of level 3 and all lower Cosmos Agents
Gallente = All level 2 and lower Cosmos Agents

Faction Standings
Caldari = +5.28
Ammatar = +4.49
Amarr = +4.42
Minmatar = +3.91
Gallente = +3.17

I still have a ways to go until I've completed this 'Plan'. Right now my average Faction Standing is about +4.0 and I still have a lot of the Cosmos Agent mission's left to complete. Add in the rest of the Data Center (Tag) missions as well as the level 4 Epic Arcs along with training level 5 Connections, I'm sure my standings for all of the main Factions will be very high. And yes, this was a goal I had set out to do a couple of months ago when I noticed how Thukker was giving me negative standings to almost all of the main Factions. I also decided (on the side) that I wanted access to all of the high level RnD agents available in Eve.

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2010.03.17 01:24:00 - [43]
 

Originally by: OtoBnAggie
First of all, thank you for compiling all of this in one place!

I have an easy question. How many times can you run a mission for a faction increase. The reason that I ask this is because I am confused by some of the instructions in your initial post.

I think that I am understanding that it only is beneficial to run the tutorial/career agent missions once. I do not understand where you get 15 and 15 as it seems to be over 40 missions just in one of the three sectors per race. But I think you are saying only run those sets of missions once for each race and I can just pick the closest Solar system to me.


However, in the Data center Agents I think I am understanding your instructions to be that i should get all three certificates and run These sets of missions in ALL of the solar systems where it is offered? So Unlike the tutorial career agents, it is actually beneficial to run these in all the places they are offered?

Thanks!
Oto


For each Faction, there are 5 Career Agents located in each of the 3 different solar systems which makes it a total of 15 Career Agents available. I'm saying go to one of the 3 solar systems, complete all of the missions for all of the Career Agents located in that system, then go to the 2nd system, do the same, then go to the 3rd system and do those. By the time you get done you will have done missions for 15 Career Agents for just that one Faction. They will all give you a 10 part storyline mission (Part 10 is the Faction Standing boost) There is also 15 Tutorial Agents for each Faction (Amarr, Caldari, Gallente, Minmatar).

Each Faction has 3 Data Center's located in 3 different solar systems. There is one Agent at each of those centers that gives you the 'Cert' mission. I suggest doing all 3 'Cert' missions first, then take one of the certificates to the Agent that is listed on the cert. The reason for this is so that you won't forget the other 2 Data Center Agent 'Cert' missions after completing the first one. Only one 'cert' is actually needed but all 3 'cert' missions will give Faction Standing boost.

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2010.03.19 22:08:00 - [44]
 

http://www.evegeek.com/mission.php

I added this link to the section 'Stuck' in the 'Faction Standing Repair Plan' since the percentage of mission types offered in the Agent Division looks more accurate than the original one I had posted.

As I said in the 'Introduction', if anyone has more current/up-dated URL's, please post em and I'll edit this 'Plan' asap.

I'm still looking for a walk-thru guide for the following Cosmos missions:
Amarr level 4 Cosmos Agent missions
Caldari level 1 to level 4 Cosmos Agent missions

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2010.03.22 04:27:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: Maluno
Is it possible to run the Sisters of Eve arc more than once?


I'm not exactly sure about it but I think the SOE Epic Arc can be redone every 3 months for standing boost. If someone can confirm this and provide documentation / link to URL showing that information please post it and I'll update/edit this thread and include it in the 'Plan'.

Marlona Sky
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2010.03.27 05:55:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: DeMichael Crimson
(This won't link correctly but when in Eve-Wiki page, type 'Tutorial Agents' in search box)

After completing all 15 Tutorial Agent missions and all 15 Career Agent missions, now do the Circle Agent missions.


Am I missing something? I did that and got nothing that tells me where these agents missions are.

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2010.03.27 06:41:00 - [47]
 

Edited by: DeMichael Crimson on 27/03/2010 06:46:20
Originally by: Marlona Sky
Originally by: DeMichael Crimson
(This won't link correctly but when in Eve-Wiki page, type 'Tutorial Agents' in search box)

After completing all 15 Tutorial Agent missions and all 15 Career Agent missions, now do the Circle Agent missions.


Am I missing something? I did that and got nothing that tells me where these agents missions are.


Clicking on the URL link will take you to Eve-Online warning page which states that you're leaving Eve online, clicking on that URL link will take you to Eve-Wiki page which is blank except for the Eve-Wiki 'search' box on the left side of the page. Type in 'Tutorial Agents', click search and then click on the result - Tutorial Agents - which will be in blue text. That will take you to the page with the list of all 15 Tutorial Agents for each of the 4 main Factions.

I know this seems like a long way to get to the page but for some reason beyond my control, Eve-Online changes the URL address during the transition over to Eve-Wiki.

----------

I've edit/added this URL link to the 'Faction Standing Repair Plan'.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/16401872/Cosmos-Missions-101
(Caldari Cosmos)

mangosita11
Posted - 2010.03.28 13:07:00 - [48]
 

hi there. i got -10.00 with Caldari state and when i enter it i get that msg that an "enemy of the state" etc and cocord ships spam and start shooting me , will your "plan" help me get rid of this problem and also at what %of standings do concord stop spaming on your face
cheers

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2010.03.30 01:13:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: mangosita11
hi there. i got -10.00 with Caldari state and when i enter it i get that msg that an "enemy of the state" etc and cocord ships spam and start shooting me , will your "plan" help me get rid of this problem and also at what %of standings do concord stop spaming on your face
cheers


Well first of all, stop killing Caldari Faction ships and train Diplomacy skill (probably to lv 5). At -4.99 Faction Standing and above it is safe to travel and you won't get attacked by the NPC's.

After training Diplomacy to level 5, check your standings. Since Caldari Faction standing is so bad/low (-10.00), hopefully Amarr Faction standing is higher. Let's say that you have Amarr Faction Standing at -6.00. You'll have to find an Amarr Corporation station with an Agent (lv 1 quality -20 to quality 0) located in Gallente or Minmatar space and grind some regular missions (16 + storylines) until you have Amarr Faction Standing at -4.99. (Decline all encounter missions against any of the main Factions) Once you have achieved Amarr Faction Standing of -4.99 or higher, you can then start working the 'Plan' with the Amarr Tutorial, Career, Circle, Data Center and Cosmos Agents. Eventually the Caldari Faction standing will improve to allow you to enter Caldari space and begin working the 'Plan' with the Caldari Tutorial, Career, Circle, Data Center and Cosmos Agents.

I must say that you have a lot of work ahead of you grinding regular missions just to be able to start the 'Plan'. I wish you lot's of luck and I hope this helps.

Seriously Bored
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.04.16 18:57:00 - [50]
 

Just posting to say this is insanely useful and helpful information. It turns out I missed a ton of opportunities to gain in faction standings on my way to achieve 9.9 Minmatar.

Thumbs up!

Xylopia
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
Posted - 2010.04.17 05:03:00 - [51]
 

Originally by: The history says,
"DeMichael Crimson single-handedly compiled bits of shattered, hidden wisdoms into a great milestone that lead to true peace with most recognized powers of New Eden. In doing so, he so bravely rescued uncountable numbers of cursed souls from evil CCP's bloody hands that CCP's grudging evil groan is still heard these days"


Kudos to you DMC!

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2010.04.19 02:51:00 - [52]
 

Wow, Smile

I sincerely thank each and every one of you for all the compliments.

If anyone has any related or more current/updated information/URL's for this 'Faction Standing Repair Plan', please feel free to post it and I'll be sure to edit/update the 'Plan' asap.

I'm still looking for a walk-thru guide for Amarr level 4 Cosmos Agents. Also if there is one available, a better guide for Caldari Cosmos Agents as well.

I'll post my statistics soon.

Syris Anu
Blue Republic
Posted - 2010.04.19 03:42:00 - [53]
 

Great guide and thinking. Could you address the pros/cons, if any, of factional warfare as it releates to the plan? Let's say you flipped sides back and forth every so often - would it be a downward, upward, or neither spiral in terms of overall faction standings?

Also, as a bonus challenge, is there a way this plan could work without grinding? And by that I mean, you would never take the same mission for the same faction or corporation twice?

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2010.04.21 04:03:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: Syris Anu
Great guide and thinking. Could you address the pros/cons, if any, of factional warfare as it releates to the plan? Let's say you flipped sides back and forth every so often - would it be a downward, upward, or neither spiral in terms of overall faction standings?

Also, as a bonus challenge, is there a way this plan could work without grinding? And by that I mean, you would never take the same mission for the same faction or corporation twice?


Thank you. Considering the fact that while in Faction War you're killing ships belonging to another Faction which gives you negative standings hit, I don't think you'll be able to work this 'Plan'. Also you need to be able to 'Bounce' around whenever needed and have access to all factions space. The goal of this 'Plan' is to maximize Faction Standings gain with a minium amount of negative standings hit.

As for not repeating missions, the Cosmos Agent missions can only be completed once. The whole idea of this 'Plan' is to complete all the different Agent missions that give Faction Standing boost. The Tutorial/Career agent missions are the only ones that you'll have to repeat.

Boogie Bobby
Posted - 2010.04.24 22:25:00 - [55]
 

Any idea at what point the Career/Tutorial agents lose effectiveness?

I'm at 6.85 and a tour of the circle agents didn't even register as a transaction.

I'm looking for 6.9 to run a particular 4/18 agent. Used up all the tag options and epic arcs so this is it before I blitz courier missions to get the storylines.

DeMont Cruiser
Gallente
University of Caille
Posted - 2010.04.25 04:19:00 - [56]
 

Edited by: DeMont Cruiser on 25/04/2010 04:21:12
Originally by: Boogie Bobby
Any idea at what point the Career/Tutorial agents lose effectiveness?

I'm at 6.85 and a tour of the circle agents didn't even register as a transaction.

I'm looking for 6.9 to run a particular 4/18 agent. Used up all the tag options and epic arcs so this is it before I blitz courier missions to get the storylines.


Each Tutorial/Career agent for the Faction and it's ally should give you a faction standing boost on the last mission done for that agent as well as the Cosmos Agent missions. Every little bit helps no matter how small a boost it is. As for the Circle Agents, there's about 6 to 8 agents in the circle and only a couple of them will give a Faction boost, and that is only done once. I think the trick to bolster your Faction standing is to first complete your main Faction's agents missions and then complete the allied Faction's agent missions. Other than grinding regular missions for a Storyline, the only thing left is to maximize the skills - Social, Connections and Negotiation.

At +6.85, it shouldn't take you very long to get +6.90 standing.

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2010.04.30 04:39:00 - [57]
 

http://www.hb3.info/cosmos/
(Need Translator to read but still a good guide for the main Factions Cosmos)

I decided to add this to the 'Plan'

Dreed Roberts
Posted - 2010.05.07 03:40:00 - [58]
 

Edited by: Dreed Roberts on 07/05/2010 03:49:17
Nice guide,

But I fail to see the point. Faction standing really only controls three things, whether you get shot at in their space, whether you can do higher level missions for corps in that faction and whether you can put up a POS in their space. To stay above the shot at level (-5) is a piece of cake really and while this guide will help you back up all you really need to do is no missions against factions and and run storylines for their ally.

Firstly you need to have your modified standing above -2.0 so that you can access agents above L1 Q0

Secondly there are several other smaller/lesser faction that you can run missions for to boost standings (albeit slower). an example is Sisters of Eve to boost Galente. see this link http://eve-files.com/dl/198396

While faction standing can give you a boost into higher levels of agents in a corp you can get to high corp levels much faster by just missioning for that corp.
In addition RnD agents work only on personal/(NPC)corp standing not faction!


Finally since you need a natural 5 (unmodified by skills) to errect a POS there is no way in hell you are going to be able to maintain this level for every faction. (at 5 you loose 1.5 times more than you gain)


DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2010.05.09 06:04:00 - [59]
 

Originally by: Dreed Roberts
Edited by: Dreed Roberts on 07/05/2010 03:49:17
Nice guide,

(Thank you)

But I fail to see the point. Faction standing really only controls three things, whether you get shot at in their space, whether you can do higher level missions for corps in that faction and whether you can put up a POS in their space. To stay above the shot at level (-5) is a piece of cake really and while this guide will help you back up all you really need to do is no missions against factions and and run storylines for their ally.

(If you try to raise your Faction Standing with just storyline missions from doing regular missions -16- while declining all encounter missions against the main Factions, you'll be doing that for a very very long time before you'll even see a difference in your Faction Standing.)

Firstly you need to have your modified standing above -2.0 so that you can access agents above L1 Q0

(Already stated that is what's needed to start working the 'Plan' which, if followed, will give you access to higher level agents much quicker.)

Secondly there are several other smaller/lesser faction that you can run missions for to boost standings (albeit slower). an example is Sisters of Eve to boost Galente. see this link http://eve-files.com/dl/198396

(As I said before, this 'Plan' is a way to raise negative Faction Standings quickly while also maintaining your positive Faction Standings.)

While faction standing can give you a boost into higher levels of agents in a corp you can get to high corp levels much faster by just missioning for that corp.
In addition RnD agents work only on personal/(NPC)corp standing not faction!

(Raising your Faction Standings -as listed in the 'Plan'- will make agents from all the corporations within that Faction available to you which is quicker than just doing regular mission grinding for one corp. It's quicker to raise your Faction Standing and then do a little bit of regular mission grinding for the RnD Corporation to gain access to the higher level Research Agents. Also if you begin research with an agent from one race, e.g. Gallente agent, then run missions for a storyline agent of opposing race, Amarr agent, this may cause your standing with the first agent's faction to fall below the point of being able to interact with the agent in order to buy datacores from that agent. Resolving that issue requires raising your Faction Standings to the point where your R&D agent will again talk to you.)

Finally since you need a natural 5 (unmodified by skills) to errect a POS there is no way in hell you are going to be able to maintain this level for every faction. (at 5 you loose 1.5 times more than you gain)

(Not sure about needing unmodified standing but to place a starbase in a high security system, the Player Owned Corporation will also need faction standing with the faction owning sovereignty of the solar system. The Player Corporation needs to have the following standing to be able to deploy/anchor a POS:
0.4 needs 4.0 faction standing
0.5 needs 5.0 faction standing
0.6 needs 6.0 faction standing
0.7 needs 7.0 faction standing
Common methods of quickly raising Faction Standing for this purpose is doing COSMOS missions and turning in tags to Data Center Agents. Just exactly how high of Faction Standings can be gained from doing this 'Plan'? I don't know but I'm sure it'll be way higher than what most players think.)








Ritzenhoff
Gallente
Ritzenhoff Industrial Design
Posted - 2010.05.09 18:40:00 - [60]
 

Nice guide!

Originally by: Dreed Roberts

since you need a natural 5 (unmodified by skills) to errect a POS there is no way in hell you are going to be able to maintain this level for every faction. (at 5 you loose 1.5 times more than you gain)



I believe your corp needs a 5, it's not on personal standing. Secondly, if you want to erect a POS, you could do that first before embarking on the plan. It doesn't matter what happens to your standing once the POS is up (although you'll obviously need to keep it above -5 so you can still fly to it, but the purpose of the plan is to keep all standings high so this is a non-issue). There are also people that offer POS anchoring for a price, but admittedly this takes a while.

So, to the OP: maybe forward planning for POS could be added to the plan as something to consider before you start?


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