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DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2011.06.18 01:46:00 - [361]
 

Lizzi Borden, that's excellent.

Very Happy

It always good to hear that this 'Plan' is helping players, especially within the first 24 hours of working it.

I hope you continue to have good luck and much success.


DMC

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Keilateau Shakor
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.19 11:00:00 - [362]
 

Great service provided here, thank you!
Keep up the good work!

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2011.06.19 11:35:00 - [363]
 

Smile

Keilateau Shakor, you're welcome and thanks for posting.

Feel free to refer this 'Plan' to other players who may need it.



DMC

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SmokingManEVE
Posted - 2011.06.22 05:38:00 - [364]
 

Nice plan good work.

Was doing the plan before this update.

Now it seems taht all tutorial agents are goone?

Could anyone help me how to find those tut agents?

Thx. :-)

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2011.06.22 11:50:00 - [365]
 

Edited by: DeMichael Crimson on 22/06/2011 11:54:51

SmokingManEVE, you're welcome and thank you for letting me know about the missing Agents.

Sad

Wow, I hope CCP didn't take out those Tutorial agents giving the mission 'The Endless Battle'. Those agents are a major part when first working this 'Plan'.






I'll have to check up on this asap.

DMC

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Octarius Eskravu
Posted - 2011.06.22 13:37:00 - [366]
 

i believe they did took out those tutorial agents that give the endless battle 2 part mission...

Kahn Asher
Posted - 2011.06.22 16:44:00 - [367]
 

I can confirm that I was working on those missions and one of the agents are gone, I've petitioned CCP to find out if they have been moved or what, I'll let you know what I found out.

Tchal'la
Caldari
Tachyon Training
Posted - 2011.06.22 19:09:00 - [368]
 

I can confirm that the tutorial agents are gone. There was a line in the patch notes about it:
Quote:
Aura is now an agent, and will be in charge of the new player experience and early tutorials. The previous agents who gave players their first crash course missions have been...retired.


I am really bummed about that. I was getting ready to activate a second account and use the tutorial agents to get quick faction standing. Sad

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2011.06.23 02:42:00 - [369]
 

This is indeed sad news. Thank you all for this information.

I've posted a question to CCP about those agents in a few different threads. Mainly if they could be given a new title (Political Liaison ?) along with a raise in pay to come back out of retirement. If not, are there any replacement agents that offer the same mission 'The Endless Battle'.

I'll probably have to send in a petition to get an Official response about this. Looks like I'll have to do some editing to the 'Plan'.

DMC

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SmokingManEVE
Posted - 2011.06.24 18:52:00 - [370]
 

Thx for the replies.

Untill i decide otherwise I think i'll use the plan to fix bad standing and gain even better standing with my main fractions for pos etc.

I liked tutorial agents but find career agents boring. Wink

Still a very good plan - Keep up the good work. Smile

Regards
SmokingMan

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2011.06.25 05:09:00 - [371]
 

SmokingManEVE, you're welcome and thanks for bringing it to my attention about the Tutorial Agents being retired.

Guess I could edit the 'Plan' now but first I'm going to try to get an official response from CCP about those Agents and their mission 'The Endless Battle'.

Good luck to you,

DMC

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Baraka Saibot
Posted - 2011.06.25 05:47:00 - [372]
 

Pfft, to much work.

New faction faction repair plan:

1) Insert coin.
2) Receive aurum.
3) Recieve faction standing.

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2011.06.26 03:32:00 - [373]
 

Originally by: Baraka Saibot
Pfft, to much work.

New faction faction repair plan:

1) Insert coin.
2) Receive aurum.
3) Recieve faction standing.


Laughing

This 'Plan' may very well be too much work for you (too complicated?). Now about your new 'Plan', I doubt that's a viable option.

If so, it'll be very expensive to say the least. Not to mention if it is available, will probably only work with Factions that the player currently has positive standings with.


DMC

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DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2011.06.27 00:48:00 - [374]
 

Edited by: DeMichael Crimson on 27/06/2011 01:07:02


Originally by: Xylopia
Originally by: The history says,
"DeMichael Crimson single-handedly compiled bits of shattered, hidden wisdoms into a great milestone that lead to true peace with most recognized powers of New Eden. In doing so, he so bravely rescued uncountable numbers of cursed souls from evil CCP's bloody hands that CCP's grudging evil groan is still heard these days"


Kudos to you DMC!


Looks like CCP has found a way to slow that down.

Crying or Very sad

According to reports from CCP, the old 'Tutorial Agents' went into early retirement due to the new Aura NPE who has single handedly ended 'The Endless Battle' mission series.

The old 'Tutorial Agents' were actually Political Liaisons for their specific Faction. They could have had their Title name changed to 'Political Agents' with a slight change to their ending dialog. They also could have been split up into various Agent levels with their missions increased to match each level.

This is indeed sad news and a major set back to the 'Plan'. Personally, I think those Agents might have been executed by assassination. I hope those Agents are still alive and can come back out of retirement in the near Future. If not, maybe some new replacement Agents will again offer that mission series 'The Endless Battle'.

I did a quick edit of the 'Plan' by breaking the link for the 'Tutorial Agents' and adding a note about them.



DMC

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Tchal'la
Caldari
Tachyon Training
Posted - 2011.06.27 04:26:00 - [375]
 

Originally by: DeMichael Crimson
Personally, I think those Agents might have been executed by assassination. I hope those Agents are still alive and can come back out of retirement in the near Future.


Actually, I tried the NPE with Aura on a new alt, and found that I still had a 10.0 standing with the old tutorial agent in my starting system, even though they are not in the station anymore. Maybe they are just under house arrest.

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2011.06.27 06:13:00 - [376]
 

Tchal'la, that is indeed strange.

Maybe those Agents have just gone into hiding and Aura NPE is just covering for them?

One thing is for sure, there's no Faction standing increase obtained from Aura NPE. As a matter of fact, I was informed that one of the missions offered incurs negative standing towards the home Faction. Check your standings transactions and petition it if you incurred any.

Sure sounds like some sort of conspiracy going on right now.

Anyway, I'm sure this issue will be corrected very soon in the near future. As for getting some more agents to offer the mission series 'The Endless Battle' again, only time will tell.


DMC

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Syphon Lodian
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.28 00:34:00 - [377]
 

So now that you can't do tutorial missions to get a leg up on standings (enough to just start basic L1 missions), then how exactly do you get out of negative standing at all?

I'm -5 with Amarr and Caldari (my mistake, I neglected it and didn't realize as I was plowing through Gallente missions), so how exactly do I raise this at all? Kill belt rats for 2 years?

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:04:00 - [378]
 

Originally by: Syphon Lodian
So now that you can't do tutorial missions to get a leg up on standings (enough to just start basic L1 missions), then how exactly do you get out of negative standing at all?

I'm -5 with Amarr and Caldari (my mistake, I neglected it and didn't realize as I was plowing through Gallente missions), so how exactly do I raise this at all? Kill belt rats for 2 years?


Syphon Lodian, it's still the same 'Plan'. Just takes a bit longer now with the removal of the Tutorial Agents. 'The Endless Battle' missions could be completed very quickly when first working the 'Plan' for some quick Faction standing increase.

All Level 1 Agents are available to everyone regardless of standings.

When the Faction standing is above -5.00, safe travel can be done throughout that Factions space allowing safe access to all Level 1 Career, Circle, Data Center and Cosmos Agents.

As always, the very first step is train up Diplomacy, Social and Negotiation skills.

If Diplomacy is trained to Level 5 and all negative 'Unfriendly' Factions are still -5.00 or lower, find a Corporation belonging to the highest negative standing Faction that is located in your 'Friendly' space. Grind missions (16 + storyline) for a Level 1 Agent until one of the negative 'Unfriendly' Factions is above -5.00, then start working the 'Plan'.

If none of the 'Unfriendly' Factions Corporations are available, find a Faction that's friendly towards them that have Corporations located in 'Friendly' space and grind missions to gain derived positive standings. Eventually the negative 'Unfriendly' Faction standings will rise and when one gets above -5.00, start working the 'Plan'.

http://www.eve-wiki.net/index.php?title=Standings#Standing_Relationships

Hope this answers your question.

DMC

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Normal citizen
Posted - 2011.06.28 17:28:00 - [379]
 

Is it possible to do the mission arcs multiple times?

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2011.06.29 05:17:00 - [380]
 

Originally by: Normal citizen
Is it possible to do the mission arcs multiple times?


Normal citizen, if 'Mission Arcs' refers to the 'Epic Arcs', then yes. Those can be completed every 3 months for Faction standing increase.

All of the missions offered by the other Agent types (Career, Data Center, Cosmos) listed in this 'Plan' can only be completed once per Agent for the life of your character.

For example - There's 15 Career Agents for each of the 4 main Factions. That is a total of 60 different Career Agents. You can only do missions once for each one of those 60 Career Agents.


Hope this helps. Good luck to you and much success working this 'Plan'.

DMC

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Normal citizen
Posted - 2011.06.29 14:55:00 - [381]
 

Awesome, I'm off to work on my impetus standing

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2011.06.29 16:34:00 - [382]
 

Good luck on the Epic Arc missions.


DMC

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Normal citizen
Posted - 2011.07.01 20:49:00 - [383]
 

I did the gallente career missions, and I lost quite a lot of my caldari standing

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2011.07.02 01:09:00 - [384]
 

Edited by: DeMichael Crimson on 02/07/2011 01:13:37

Originally by: Normal citizen
I did the gallente career missions, and I lost quite a lot of my caldari standing


Sorry to hear that but this is how the standings work. It's a 'Sea-Saw' action. This is the reason for keeping watch on the standings and 'Bouncing' between the Factions whenever needed.

I don't know what your standings are or what it is you're trying to do. There's plenty of Event Agents for each Faction to do one of four things.

1, Raise negative Faction standings above -2.00 standing to access higher level Agents.

2, Make all Empire Faction standings positive and close to equal.

3, Boost a specific positive Faction to a higher standing quickly.

4, Keep negative Faction standings above -5.00 (Temporary fix) for safe travel to continue doing Empire Faction encounter missions.


All of these can be done by completing selective missions for the Event Agents when needed. To answer your statement without knowing specific details of your standings - now complete all of the Caldari Career Agents.

Hope this info helps.

DMC

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Normal citizen
Posted - 2011.07.02 10:44:00 - [385]
 

I'm trying to raise my gallente federation standing, but I don't want to lose my caldari state standing while doing that, as I've already worked so hard to get it to where it is. My Federation standing is high enough to not get shot at, but it's very hard to get my personal standing with federation agents high enough to get better agents

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2011.07.02 11:21:00 - [386]
 

Originally by: Normal citizen
I'm trying to raise my gallente federation standing, but I don't want to lose my caldari state standing while doing that, as I've already worked so hard to get it to where it is. My Federation standing is high enough to not get shot at, but it's very hard to get my personal standing with federation agents high enough to get better agents


Well, you need above -2.00 Gallente Faction standing to access Gallente agents above level 1. Caldari will go down while bringing Gallente up. It's a give and take type of situation. Good point about this is that Amarr Event Agents will also add Faction standing increase to Caldari with very little loss to Gallente standing. However Minmatar Faction will get hit hard.

If you have above -5.00 Faction standing with all Empire Factions, you can do the SoE level 1 Epic Arc and complete it for Gallente to get +8.75% Faction standing increase with no standing hit to the other Factions.

I don't know what else to say except maybe train up Connections to help boost Caldari Faction standings while you work at raising up Gallente standings. Social and Negotiation skills will also help raise Gallente standings by increasing the reward gained from completing missions.

Good luck to you.

DMC

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Delucian
Posted - 2011.07.02 14:02:00 - [387]
 

Edited by: Delucian on 02/07/2011 14:04:05
DMC - I am just trying to get my faction standing to the point where I can travel in Gallente space without them pew pew webbin me so I can join Red vs Blue for some PVP'ing.

My standing currently is -5.26 (was -7.38 before I trained Diplomacy Shocked) Anyhow, where does it have to be before I can travel safely? (aka - what is my quickest route through your plan to improve it to just get me travelin around the Gallente cosmos?

Edit; BTW, very nice plan. Good to see players helping others (like me).

Isabella Thresher
Fat Kitty Inc.
Posted - 2011.07.02 16:40:00 - [388]
 

Edited by: Isabella Thresher on 02/07/2011 16:41:58
Edited by: Isabella Thresher on 02/07/2011 16:41:00
Edited by: Isabella Thresher on 02/07/2011 16:40:34
hello,
and thanks for the nice guide.

i am trying to get caldari standing above 0, while keeping my gallente standing high.

so i flew all 9 starter datacenter missions for caldari, and noticed that for every increase in caldari, i got a more than 50% decrease in gallente.

e.g.: 1.875% caldari increase and -1.1856% gallente decrease

does that mean that when constantly doing 16 gallente and 16 caldari missions, my standings will more or less keep the same, or do both rise, but slowly?

would you guys recommend me to do always 16 gal vs 16 cald or would you recommend me to do derived faction missions (e.g. sisters of eve lower caldari not as hard as a gallente storyline mission, but still raise gallente reasonably good) ? which approach is rising both factions faster?


there was a very interesting thread about this ( http://www.eve-search.com/thread/632650/page/1#2 ) but for me, this one question still needs an answer.

thanks for any comments!
cheers!

QbusPuchatek
Amarr
Ministry of War
Posted - 2011.07.02 19:53:00 - [389]
 

Sisters of EVE Epic arc does not working. I do it today with no ANY standing changes. This can be a bug I wrote a petition and waiting on answer.

But i think that after patch CCP remove factions standings increase from all of the Arc,, so as removing utorial agents.

sorry for my English

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2011.07.02 19:59:00 - [390]
 

Originally by: Delucian
DMC - I am just trying to get my faction standing to the point where I can travel in Gallente space without them pew pew webbin me so I can join Red vs Blue for some PVP'ing.

My standing currently is -5.26 (was -7.38 before I trained Diplomacy Shocked) Anyhow, where does it have to be before I can travel safely? (aka - what is my quickest route through your plan to improve it to just get me travelin around the Gallente cosmos?

Edit; BTW, very nice plan. Good to see players helping others (like me).


Delucian, thanks.

The Faction standing needs to be above -5.00 to travel safely in that specific Factions space.

If you haven't maxed out the Diplomacy skill yet, train another level. If it is maxed, hopefully Minmatar Faction is above -5.00 standing. If so, do a couple of missions for the Minmatar Event Agents until Gallente is above -5.00 Faction standing.

If Minmatar Faction standing is lower than Gallente, you'll have to grind regular level 1 missions (16 + storyline) for a Gallente Agent in a Corporation located in friendly space until the Faction is above -5.00 standing, then you can start working the 'Plan' to reach the desired amount of Faction standing wanted.

DMC

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Originally by: Isabella Thresher
hello, and thanks for the nice guide.

i am trying to get caldari standing above 0, while keeping my gallente standing high.

so i flew all 9 starter datacenter missions for caldari, and noticed that for every increase in caldari, i got a more than 50% decrease in gallente.

e.g.: 1.875% caldari increase and -1.1856% gallente decrease

does that mean that when constantly doing 16 gallente and 16 caldari missions, my standings will more or less keep the same, or do both rise, but slowly?

would you guys recommend me to do always 16 gal vs 16 cald or would you recommend me to do derived faction missions (e.g. sisters of eve lower caldari not as hard as a gallente storyline mission, but still raise gallente reasonably good) ? which approach is rising both factions faster?

there was a very interesting thread about this ( http://www.eve-search.com/thread/632650/page/1#2 ) but for me, this one question still needs an answer.

thanks for any comments!
cheers!


Isabella Thresher, you're welcome. Your situation is similar to another player - Normal citizen - which is just a couple of replies above.

Since you've already completed the level 1 Data Center agents for Caldari, do the Amarr level 1 Data Center agents. That will lower the amount of negative Faction standings incurred by Gallente. For every positive Faction standing gained, that Factions enemy will incure a smaller negative Faction standing hit. The same applies to their allies.

Basically it's 1 step forward and 1/2 step back. This is the reason for keeping an eye on the standings and doing the 'Bounce' action. After 'Bouncing' round between all Empire Factions, the end result is about 1/2 step forward for all Factions.

While working this 'Plan' or just doing regular missions + storyline, always check the standings and 'Bounce' to the lowest Faction standing listed. The 16 + storyline missions might need to be done a couple of times for one specific Faction due to the type of storyline missions offered.

If you decline all encounter missions against Empire Factions and bounce around between the Factions when needed, all Faction standings will rise.

Completing missions for the Event Agents listed in this 'Plan' is the quickest way to raise Faction standings. I know a few players that go by the old method posted in that link. And it is an old method. Things have changed since the time that was posted.

As I've said before, this thread is just a 'Plan' and can be worked various different ways, depending on how far you want to take it.

I hope this has helped both of you. I wish you both good luck and much success.

DMC

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