open All Channels
seplocked Missions & Complexes
blankseplocked FACTION STANDING REPAIR PLAN (updated)
 
This thread is older than 90 days and has been locked due to inactivity.


 
Pages: first : previous : ... 7 8 9 10 11 [12] 13 14 15 : last (15)

Author Topic

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2011.05.31 10:42:00 - [331]
 

Well, sorry to hear about you having a bad time, hope it gets better for you.

Sad

I posted this 'Plan' for the Eve Community. Whether it's used or not is up to each player. The main thing is that the information is available for everyone.

Agents look at standings modified by Social skills which is what I look at also - Modified Standings.

I'm not looking or trying to prove anyone wrong. The statement I made in the past still stands - Players can have well over +9.00 standing with all Empire Factions by following and working this 'Plan'.

DMC

Cool

akitespero
Posted - 2011.05.31 15:38:00 - [332]
 

The 'Plan' is based on the gains being higher than the derived losses. I have tested this premise and it seems this ain't so once your standings are high enough.

I'm surprised you haven checked yet, this is the core of the 'Plan' mate. I'm flabbergasted you don't want to know.

OK, the boss doesn't want to do it, but the rest of us can. If anyone out there has high standings (above +5) with anyone of the 4 main Empire factions, please do this simple test. Next time you gain faction standing with that faction (epic arc missions excepted) check also the derived standing loss with the enemy factions and let us know how much standing is gained and how much is lost.

This is not about anyone being right or wrong Crimson, this is about your 'Plan', it is about finding out how the standings gain and loss really work in EvE so that all of us benefit the most from your idea.

Vacrivin
Posted - 2011.05.31 18:29:00 - [333]
 

Thanks for your hard work, only two complaints a lot of the guides don't say roughly what percent the boost is, and roughly how long it takes.

For instance, I've googled and searched and still unable to find how much the faction boost for Soe arc is. I only need to get to a certain point so having a rough outline of

"base 10% boost, estimated time from start to finish focused 12 hours" ect.

akitespero
Posted - 2011.05.31 19:12:00 - [334]
 

Originally by: Vacrivin
a lot of the guides don't say roughly what percent the boost is, and roughly how long it takes.


SoE is about 50 missions, easy ones to do in a Drake for example. It takes a lot of time to finish as you travel around a lot. You get 8% increase with the faction of your choice (.8 increase if you are +0 with that faction, .4 if you already are +5). Not worth it if you have standings to do the level 4 epic arcs.

Level 4 epic arcs give 12.4% increase (1.2 increase if you are +0, .6 if you are +5). About 20 missions long, some of them on the level 4 hard side but all soloable with good skills. It takes me about 20 hours to complete each of the arcs solo in a standard raven with standard cruise missiles, T2 shields, warp drive (works in all missions) and T2 light drones for the frigates. Note that the caldari epic arc gives -2.4% standing with gallente in mission 13. And remember, you need a high standing (+6.8) with the corp of the agent giving the first mission. This is true even after the 1.5 patch.

Hope it helps.

The best places with epic arc info are:
http://lorebook.eve-inspiracy.com/
http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=MissionReportsEpicArc

These two are my only sources of info for these missions.

Nieran
Posted - 2011.05.31 21:52:00 - [335]
 

Originally by: akitespero
Originally by: Vacrivin
a lot of the guides don't say roughly what percent the boost is, and roughly how long it takes.


SoE is about 50 missions, easy ones to do in a Drake for example. It takes a lot of time to finish as you travel around a lot. You get 8% increase with the faction of your choice (.8 increase if you are +0 with that faction, .4 if you already are +5). Not worth it if you have standings to do the level 4 epic arcs.

Level 4 epic arcs give 12.4% increase (1.2 increase if you are +0, .6 if you are +5). About 20 missions long, some of them on the level 4 hard side but all soloable with good skills. It takes me about 20 hours to complete each of the arcs solo in a standard raven with standard cruise missiles, T2 shields, warp drive (works in all missions) and T2 light drones for the frigates. Note that the caldari epic arc gives -2.4% standing with gallente in mission 13. And remember, you need a high standing (+6.8) with the corp of the agent giving the first mission. This is true even after the 1.5 patch.

Hope it helps.

The best places with epic arc info are:
http://lorebook.eve-inspiracy.com/
http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=MissionReportsEpicArc

These two are my only sources of info for these missions.


Thanks, super helpful!

ValentinaDLM
Minmatar
Ubi Concordia Ibi Victoria
Posted - 2011.05.31 22:21:00 - [336]
 

Also as far time to complete epic arcs goes, it varies pretty wildly, For example doing the amarr epic arc the 3rd time on the Sansha path, I used a tengu and a typhoon for the high sec missions with the typhoon providing logistics since I won't shoot Sansha rats with this char, but refitting the typhoon with torps when the nonsansha missions were there, this took about 4-5 hours and it wasn't even nonstop, all the low sec missions on the sansha path took less than an hour in a tengu + ishkur, the low sec missions are very easy.

So all in all I did the arc in about 6 hours, but I think it would likely take much much longer if I didn't know what ships I had to kill or if I had to actually shoot the neut towers and whatnot, For example in the mission "Hunting the Hunter" all you have to do is destroy the battlestation to unlock they gate, so it takes about a minute or two to get through that pocket rather than 20+ minutes of destroying ships. So estimating time is pretty hard to do, which is why most guides don't it.

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2011.06.01 00:04:00 - [337]
 

Edited by: DeMichael Crimson on 01/06/2011 00:11:35
akitespero,

Wow, so much hostility. Not to mention your information is wrong and incorrect. I was just about to lose my cool and post a big ole nasty rebuttal but there's no need for that.

You seem hell bent mad to rain on this parade and tear apart this 'Plan'. If there is miss-information listed in the 'Plan', please post it. If you have a better way to repair negative Faction standings, please post it.

As of right now with my level of Social skills and the amount of Event Agents I've completed, my Faction standings are still going up. So if you've completed as many Event Agents as I have and have the same level of Social skills and have noticed that the amount of positive standing gain has become equal to the negative standing hit, please link a picture and post a detailed report.

Other than that, please make sure you know for a fact that the information and advice you give is true and correct.

All standing gains are subject to the players level of Social skills, or lack thereof, which it seems you've forgotten about.

The Sisters of Eve level 1 Epic Arc gives a max amount of +8.75% Faction standing increase for completing it with the Faction of choice. It is done in high security systems. It has 52 missions and players can gain a couple of storyline mission offers while doing it.

The level 3 Pirate Epic Arcs give a max amount of +32.00% Faction standing increase. They are done in 0.0 or null security systems.

The level 4 Empire Epic Arcs give a max amount of +12.75% Faction standing increase. They are done in both high and low security systems.

As for the amount of time it takes to complete these arcs, nobody can say since it depends on the players experience, skill level, equipment used and style of play.

I apologize to the Eve Community for my temporary loss of control. Since I still have one more level 3 Cosmos Agent located in low security to complete, I'll be sure to check if the report of standing gain being equal to the amount of standing loss is indeed correct.

DMC

Cool

akitespero
Posted - 2011.06.01 11:11:00 - [338]
 

Originally by: DeMichael Crimson
You seem hell bent mad to rain on this parade and tear apart this 'Plan'. If there is miss-information listed in the 'Plan', please post it. If you have a better way to repair negative Faction standings, please post it.
Don't be silly dear, we all want the 'Plan' to work, I love the Plan and have been following it for months.
The info you are asking for was posted a few days ago in this thread, here. The formulas are in the evelopedia too.

As for a better plan, nope. The plan you have developed is great. Hugely effective when you have low standings, less so as you gain more. It only becomes useless when your standings are very high. You only have to tweak the 'Plan' at the point when standing loses start overcoming the gains which is when you reach +5 unmodified standings with the 4 empire factions (+6 modified standings with maxed social skills). The tweak is self evident, from this point onwards you just do epic arcs exclusively.
Originally by: DeMichael Crimson
I'll be sure to check if the report of standing gain being equal to the amount of standing loss is indeed correct.
That's all I have been asking for love. Your standings are still a bit mediocre (between +3.6 and +4.2 unmodified, around +5 modified) so you should still get some small mean standing increase. Would be best if you do the test with a Minmatar mission (your best faction according to eveboard)

To do a useful test keep tabs of the actual standing change as well as the % variation. See yourself how the % to actual increase ratio varies with your standing and how this ratio is constant when there is a standing decrease.

Note too how the effect of the social skills do pretty little to help you here. The formulas are all in the evelopedia for your convenience.

XOX

rabodamor
Posted - 2011.06.02 00:08:00 - [339]
 

Originally by: akitespero
If anyone out there has high standings (above +5) with anyone of the 4 main Empire factions, please do this simple test. Next time you gain faction standing check also the derived standing loss with the enemy factions.
Hi, I finished an Amarr lvl 3 storyline. These are modified standings with all social skills at 5.

Amarr before: 4.66 after: 4.97 -> +0.31
Caldari bfore: 5.14 after: 5.34 -> +0.20
Gallente bfre: 4.84 after: 4.73 -> -0.11
Minmatar bfr: 4.38 after: 4.10 -> -0.28

Total standing increase: 0.12

I did get a net standing increase, the plan thus works at my standing levels.

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2011.06.03 08:20:00 - [340]
 

Well, I don't really want to beat up on a dead horse but it's time to put this baby to rest. It seemed there was an attitude and that I was being talked down to by those posted replies. Believe it or not, I did do a lot of research into this 'Plan' before I wrote and posted it. Also since it is a 'Plan', it's always subject to change and has been edited in the past. Since my base standings (unmodified) are not at +5.00 or higher, seems this whole discussion is mute anyway.

I completed a mission for one of the low security Cosmos Agents at Fort Kumar in Kenobanala system. It was a level 4 Caldari Agent.

My current Empire Faction Standings: Modified and (Base)

Minmatar Republic +5.24 (+4.05)
Caldari State +5.51 (+4.39)
The Interbus +4.99 (+3.74)
Amarr Empire +5.18 (+3.97)
Khanid Kingdom +5.18 (+3.97)
Gallente Federation +4.62 (+3.28)
Ammatar Mandate +4.83 (+3.53)
Concord Assembly +2.56 (+0.70)

I checked my base standings for the 4 main Factions before and after and also the percentage amount of standing incurred along with derived standings. All of my Social skills are at level 5.

Caldari State
from +4.11 to +4.39 = +4.7793% standing gained

Gallente Federation
from +3.60 to +3.28 = -3.2509% standing lost

Amarr Empire
from +3.83 to +3.97 = +1.4756% standing gained

Minmatar Republic
from +4.19 to +4.05 = -1.356% standing lost

As you can see, the amount of standing gained is still higher than the amount of standing lost. Probably by the time all of the Event Agent missions are completed, the base standings might be up around +5.00 unmodified. Since the standings are still going up slowly, there's really no need to worry about the derived standings or the amount of positive gain verses the amount of negative loss.

However, I'll be sure to check this again after I complete some more missions.

Now about the formula's and information listed in the Evelopedia and EveWiki, I don't know where the EveWiki information originally came from. I do know that the Evelopedia had a lot of information copied by players (including myself) from the EveWiki which was also written and created by players. Now is the information contained in those sites accurate? Only CCP knows for sure. Both of those sites are subject to change at any time, especially since CCP loves to do stealth changes to the game including changes to the game mechanics.

Now I think that's about it for this subject.

As usual, I'll be sure to post my statistics and progress asap. Until then, I wish everyone much success and good luck.

DMC

Cool

Ad'Hakim Tahous
Posted - 2011.06.04 12:17:00 - [341]
 

Hello DMC. Many thanks for the work you've done.

I've a question on the use of agents at the Data Centers. As one builds up standing with the NPC that "controls" access to the agents, one can access additional agents within the Data Center. According to the Wiki Guide the agents provide differing degrees of corp/faction increases.

Would it not make sense to build up fairly high standing with that NPC while one's corresponding faction standing is still very modest? Once one has access to the Data Center agent with the highest reported faction standing gain it seems to me that it is this agent that should be used after the first round of certificate / tag agents. Subsequent agent selections would also be based on which agent provides the greatest % increase to the largest remaining spread between 10.0 and current faction standing.

Would this not provide a greater net gain compared to working one's way up the ladder?

Best wishes. Ad'Hakim

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2011.06.04 22:10:00 - [342]
 

Ad'Hakim Tahous, thanks and you're welcome.

Wink

That's a very good question.

This 'Plan' is mainly for repairing negative Faction standings to a positive level while maintaining the players current positive standings. Then after that, raising all positive Faction standings up higher.

As the amount of points left between the players current positive standing and +10 gets smaller, the percentage of standing gain also gets smaller.

This is just conjecture on my part and I don't have any hard facts to back this up but I think it would be better to save the agents who give the largest standing increase for last, that way the standings will still go up.

To me it seems it'll take longer to grind regular missions to raise the corporation standing up high enough to access the high level agent. With advancement from the lower level Data Center Agents on up to the higher level Data Center agents, the amount of time spent doing that should be a lot faster.

However, I could be wrong about this. Maybe you could test your theory out and report back on the results.

As always, I wish everyone much success and lot's of good luck.

DMC

Cool

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2011.06.05 11:16:00 - [343]
 

Just an update on my progress and statistics.

I've already completed 2 of the level 4 Cosmos Agents located in low security. 1 at Fort Kumar (Amarr/Caldari) and 1 at The Alliance Barracks (Gallente/Minmatar).

Since it's been over 3 months when I last completed the level 1 Sisters of Eve Epic Arc, I decided to see about getting my Empire Faction standings a little bit more equal before I seriously got into completing the level 4 Event Agents.

While working the level 1 SoE Arc, I received 5 different Storyline Mission offers. 2 were for Sisters of Eve and 1 each for Gallente, Caldari and Minmatar. I declined the Minmatar Storyline offer due to it being Anti-Empire encounter mission. After completing those along with the level 1 SoE Epic Arc, my Empire Faction standings are close to being more equal now.

Empire Faction Standings: Modified (Base)
Caldari State +5.50 (+4.37)
Minmatar Republic +5.25 (+4.06)
Amarr Empire +5.17 (+3.96)
Khanid Kingdom +5.17 (+3.96)
Gallente Federation +5.14 (+3.92)
The Interbus +5.03 (+3.78)
Ammatar Mandate +4.82 (+3.52)
Concord Assembly +2.56 (+0.70)

Social Skills:
Social lv 5
Connections lv 5
Fast Talk lv 5
Diplomacy lv 5
Negotiation lv 5

Security Status:
+5.85

Data Center Tags completed:
Minmatar = Angel Crystal and lower - need Gold
Gallente = Serpentis Diamond and lower - need Brass and Gold
Caldari = Guristas Crystal and lower - need Brass
Amarr = Blood Crystal and lower - need Gold
Ammatar = Sansha Crystal and lower - need Gold

Epic Arcs Completed:
Level 1 Sisters Of Eve = 4x (1x Minmatar, 1x Amarr, 2x Gallente)
Level 4 Amarr = Started
Level 4 Caldari = Started
Level 4 Gallente = Started
Level 4 Minmatar = Started

Tutorial, Career, Circle Agents Completed:
All Empire Factions

Cosmos Agents Completed:
All Empire Factions = level 3 and lower

Special Agents Completed (Security Status):
Christer Fuglesang = Concord
Jeremy Tacs = Concord

I'll be working the level 4 Cosmos Agents doing the 'Bounce' action between the various Factions to hopefully raise and keep all of the standings close to equal. I'll be watching the standing gains and losses including the derived standings. If or when the amount of positive standing gain equals the negative standing loss, I'll be sure to post it.

Until then, I wish you all good luck working the 'Plan'.

DMC

Cool

Tarassse
Posted - 2011.06.05 17:17:00 - [344]
 

Originally by: DeMichael Crimson
I checked my base standings for the 4 main Factions before and after and also the percentage amount of standing incurred along with derived standings. All of my Social skills are at level 5.

Caldari State
from +4.11 to +4.39 = +4.7793% standing gained

Gallente Federation
from +3.60 to +3.28 = -3.2509% standing lost

Amarr Empire
from +3.83 to +3.97 = +1.4756% standing gained

Minmatar Republic
from +4.19 to +4.05 = -1.356% standing lost

As you can see, the amount of standing gained is still higher than the amount of standing lost. Probably by the time all of the Event Agent missions are completed, the base standings might be up around +5.00 unmodified. Since the standings are still going up slowly, there's really no need to worry about the derived standings or the amount of positive gain verses the amount of negative loss.


Hi DeMichael Crimson.
Great plan, I must confess, but I don't understand your statement "the amount of standing gained is still higher than the amount of standing lost"

While that's true in terms of %, you gained 0.42 standing (Amarr + Caldari) and lost 0.46 (Gallente + Minmatar)

Another thing that I'd like to know more about : You said a player can have +9.00 standing towards all four empire factions with this plan. Does this mean +9.00 with all four in the same time?
If so, will you then be forced to decline every storyline to avoid crushing these standings?

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2011.06.05 23:27:00 - [345]
 

Originally by: Tarassse
Hi DeMichael Crimson.
Great plan, I must confess, but I don't understand your statement "the amount of standing gained is still higher than the amount of standing lost"

While that's true in terms of %, you gained 0.42 standing (Amarr + Caldari) and lost 0.46 (Gallente + Minmatar)

Another thing that I'd like to know more about : You said a player can have +9.00 standing towards all four empire factions with this plan. Does this mean +9.00 with all four in the same time?
If so, will you then be forced to decline every storyline to avoid crushing these standings?


Thanks for posting.

I'm not a mathematician and I don't have an explanation for those results.

I do know that this 'Plan' is like a coin with 2 very different sides. Right now there is only one side being viewed. There is still another side left which will complete the total amount of standing change.

On this side of the standings coin the total amount of percentage for standing gained and lost is:
Amarr/Caldari +6.2549% gained
Gallente/Minmatar -4.6069% lost

When the coin is flipped, the same thing will happen in reverse. Since there's 4 different Factions and standings involved, the only way to really see the correct results is to mission for each one of the 4 major Factions. Hence the reason for 'Bouncing' from the highest Faction standing to the lowest Faction standing. After all is said and done, all Faction standings will have moved up a little bit.

There is no fast way to gain super high Faction standings nor is there a fast way to raise negative Faction standings. If there is, I would surely like to know about it. As far as I know, this 'Plan' is still the quickest way to repair negative Faction standings as well as boost positive Faction standings.

By completing missions for all of the Event Agents listed in this 'Plan' and completing the Epic Arcs every 3 months, players should be able to raise the 4 major Empire Factions up above +9.00 standing. This will take a long time to complete of course.

If Players decide to also complete regular and storyline missions, then it'll take even longer to get the 4 major Factions up above +9.00 Faction standing. Of course it also depends on the type of storyline missions accepted. As always, if working this 'Plan', players should always decline all Anti-Empire Faction encounter missions.

Anyway, this is still just a 'Plan' and not a guide yet. As such, it is still subject to change and open to be edited at any time. If there is wrong information posted in the 'Plan', please report it and I'll be sure to post the correct information.

All I have left to complete are the level 4 Event Agents. So far my standings still continue to rise, be it ever so slowly. I don't intend on doing any regular missions unless it's needed to complete this 'Plan'. My main career path is exploration and this 'Plan' fit's in perfectly with that career.

Other than that, I really don't know what else to say except good luck and much success.

DMC

Cool

Ad'Hakim Tahous
Posted - 2011.06.06 22:25:00 - [346]
 

Hello DMC.

I'm using the "FSRP" as a baseline with an objective that differs from the Plan: I'm taking a new toon and working towards positive standings for the 4 main factions along with standings for the 4 NPCs that run the 4 main Empire trade hubs. If the standings among the 4 main factions are not perfectly balanced I can live with that result.

I'll follow up in the coming days with the results obtained by using Data Center Agents based upon the amount of Faction Standing gains awarded (in descending order) rather than NPC/Faction Standing required to access the agent (in ascending order). Hopefully, the results will be useful to determine if the sequence laid out in the current version of the "FSRP" can be enhanced for the Plan's objectives.

Best wishes. A'H T

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2011.06.09 00:25:00 - [347]
 

Well, I hope it works out great for you. Please keep us updated with your progress. Would be nice to know about a 'Short-cut' for this 'Plan'.

However, most players will be working this 'Plan' with an old character to raise up negative standings instead of starting with a new character that has neutral standings.

One of my goals for working this 'Plan' is to complete all Event Agent Missions, even if they don't really help with increasing my Faction standing. After that, I guess it'll just be the Epic Arc missions.

Again, best of luck to you.

DMC

Cool

zerokmatrix
Posted - 2011.06.12 02:52:00 - [348]
 

Hi, I have just discovered your "plan" after searching all over for a reliable way to repair my faction standings. I have a very high Gallente/Minmatar standng and a very low Caldari/Amarr standing and I was begining to think I would never be able to travel to places like Jita, without being shot at, ever again. Only a few days have passed and I can now travel anywhere in empire. So i would like to say thank you for posting your plan and opening up the EVE universe again for me. I am very excited to see how far I can improve all my standings, with the aim of being able to complete the epic arc and cosmos missions for all 4 main factions.

Cyno'in Local
Posted - 2011.06.12 04:01:00 - [349]
 

If you have decent standings towards all factions and just want to try and raise them all very high, is it worth focusing on 1 faction at a time or focusing on one "type of agent". For instance is it worth running ALL the Tutorial agents first for all factions then switch to do all the Career agents and move on down the list or should I just follow the plan as is?

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2011.06.13 00:03:00 - [350]
 

Originally by: zerokmatrix
Hi, I have just discovered your "plan" after searching all over for a reliable way to repair my faction standings. I have a very high Gallente/Minmatar standng and a very low Caldari/Amarr standing and I was begining to think I would never be able to travel to places like Jita, without being shot at, ever again. Only a few days have passed and I can now travel anywhere in empire. So i would like to say thank you for posting your plan and opening up the EVE universe again for me. I am very excited to see how far I can improve all my standings, with the aim of being able to complete the epic arc and cosmos missions for all 4 main factions.


zerokmatrix, gratz and you're welcome.

Smile

I'm glad the 'Plan' has helped you to once again travel safely in Empire space. I hope you have more good luck and much success.

DMC

Cool

Originally by: Cyno'in Local
If you have decent standings towards all factions and just want to try and raise them all very high, is it worth focusing on 1 faction at a time or focusing on one "type of agent". For instance is it worth running ALL the Tutorial agents first for all factions then switch to do all the Career agents and move on down the list or should I just follow the plan as is?


Cyno'in Local, that's a very good question.

Rolling Eyes

If you already have good standings with the main Empire Factions, you'll want to keep watch on them and do a round of each type of Event Agent for each Faction. For instance, if you do the Tutorial Agents for all Factions it should raise all standings. Then do the Career Agents, Circle Agents, etc. Since those Agents are level 1, you'll always have access to them.

When you get into the higher level Event Agents, you'll need to closely watch your standings and bounce to the lowest Faction when needed so as to not cut yourself off from having access. At various times I was bouncing back and forth between Factions while doing the level 3 Cosmos missions. Same goes for the higher level Data Center Agents.

I hope that answered your question. Good luck to you.

DMC

Cool

Nerror theTerror
Posted - 2011.06.13 06:01:00 - [351]
 

Edited by: Nerror theTerror on 13/06/2011 07:14:13
Originally by: akitespero

As for a better plan, nope. The plan you have developed is great. Hugely effective when you have low standings, less so as you gain more. It only becomes useless when your standings are very high. You only have to tweak the 'Plan' at the point when standing loses start overcoming the gains which is when you reach +5 unmodified standings with the 4 empire factions (+6 modified standings with maxed social skills). The tweak is self evident, from this point onwards you just do epic arcs exclusively.


This is essentially true and I thought it was pretty self-evident since it's fairly basic math. The equations for standing loss and standing gains are different. The equilibrium is actually below 5 unmodified faction standing I believe. I remember reading a thread where they did the math on how to optimize it before having to solely resort to the epic arcs, and I remember it involved around 50% Mordus Legion story-line missions. Forgot most of the rest of the factions sadly. Apparently I forgot to bookmark the damn thread. Sad

Anyway, bottom line is very clear: At a certain point (what I call the equilibrium), you no longer gain in all empire faction standings overall by doing storyline missions. You start losing more than you gain. Only way to get past that point are doing epic arcs, while stopping doing all other missions that affect faction standings.

The equilibrium varies depending on how you go about gaining those faction standings, because of the different interfaction relationships.

Nerror theTerror
Posted - 2011.06.13 06:39:00 - [352]
 

Edited by: Nerror theTerror on 13/06/2011 10:42:40

Since I have a few minutes to kill, let's try an actual example based on DMC's numbers:

Quote:
Caldari State: +4.7793% standing gained

Gallente Federation: -3.2509% standing lost

Amarr Empire: +1.4756% standing gained

Minmatar Republic: -1.356% standing lost


For the sake of argument, let's say the unmodified faction standings for those 4 empires are all 5.0. Plotting the numbers into the equations:

Caldari State:
((10-(5))*(0.047793))+(5) = 5.238965
so an actual gain of 0.238965

Gallente Federation:
(10*(-0.032509))+(5) = 4.67491
so an actual loss of 0.32509

Amarr Empire:
((10-(5))*(0.014756))+(5) = 5.07378
so an actual gain of 0.07378

Minmatar Republic:
(10*(-0.01356))+(5) = 4.8644
so an actual loss of 0.1356

In other words, that particular storyline mission would have given significantly bigger faction losses than gains at 5.0 unmodified faction standings. In fact, the Caldari/Gallente equilibrium for that Caldari storyline mission is at around 3.2 (10-(10*0.032509/0.047793)) unmodified faction standing, so if you already have higher unmodified factions standings with those empires, it's better not to do the mission at all if all you are going for is faction standings.

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2011.06.13 11:35:00 - [353]
 

Edited by: DeMichael Crimson on 13/06/2011 11:41:23

Interesting, to say the least.

Neutral

Well, my base standings (unmodified) for all Empire Factions is still below +5.00 standing. Maybe I have reached a plateau for increasing the Faction standings with the Event Agents....I don't know. My standings are still slowly going up though.

Shocked

If this is the case then completing the level 4 Cosmos Agents would do more damage than help.

Since I'm committed to completing all of the Event Agent missions, I guess we'll soon find out.

DMC

Cool

Eddie Stylez
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.15 03:37:00 - [354]
 

I've got a few questions.

First I'm trying to bring my Caldari and Amarr standings up from about -2.5ish.

I've done all the tutorial missions for Caldari and that raised my Caldari standings to -0.66.

Now my question is did you seriously do all 600 career missions? Is it really worth spending all that time doing 10 missions for 1 small standings boost? That seems pretty brutal.

My other question is when you are talking about bouncing between factions. Should I keep bouncing down to my lowest standings faction, after doing a set of missions?

My ultimate goal really is just to raise my Caldari and Amarr standings high enough to run L4's. That way I'm not pigeon holed into running L4's in only 1 area of Empire.

Thanks! Wonderful Guide! Very Happy

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2011.06.15 22:46:00 - [355]
 

Originally by: Eddie Stylez
I've got a few questions.

First I'm trying to bring my Caldari and Amarr standings up from about -2.5ish.

I've done all the tutorial missions for Caldari and that raised my Caldari standings to -0.66.


Gratz, good to hear that.

Smile

Originally by: Eddie Stylez
Now my question is did you seriously do all 600 career missions? Is it really worth spending all that time doing 10 missions for 1 small standings boost? That seems pretty brutal.


Yes, I've completed all the missions for all of the Career Agents. The point here is that every little bit of standing increase helps, no matter how small it is.

With higher skill level and of course a better ship fit with Tech 2 modules, most of those missions can be completed quickly and the reward items they give can be sold on the market.

Since you've already completed all 15 Tutorial Agents for Caldari, bounce to Amarr and do the Tutorial Agents. It doesn't take long to complete those missions. After completing those, check your standings. Then you'll have a better idea on what steps to do next.

Originally by: Eddie Stylez
My other question is when you are talking about bouncing between factions. Should I keep bouncing down to my lowest standings faction, after doing a set of missions?


Bouncing to the lowest Faction standing is dependent on your highest Faction standing, to a point.

Example - You've completed most of the level 3 Cosmos Agents for Caldari and none for Gallente. Your Faction standing is +6.49 for Caldari and +3.49 for Gallente.

Faction standing of +3.00 is needed to access the level 3 Cosmos Agents.

This is where you would 'Bounce' from Caldari and start doing the Gallente level 3 Cosmos Agents. Caldari can be taken down to just above +3.00 standing which will still allow access to finish those Agents.

While completing missions for the higher level Event Agent's, always check your standings and do the 'Bounce' when needed.

Originally by: Eddie Stylez
My ultimate goal really is just to raise my Caldari and Amarr standings high enough to run L4's. That way I'm not pigeon holed into running L4's in only 1 area of Empire.


Rolling Eyes

Since your goal is just to have access to level 4 Agents, Faction standing above -2.00 is all that's needed. Then all you have to do is just build up Corporation standing above +5.00 for access to level 4 Agents.

The Event Agents listed in this 'Plan' could be used to help maintain Faction standings above -2.00 along with 'Bouncing' from one Faction to another doing one set of 16 regular missions + storyline for each Faction.

Originally by: Eddie Stylez
Thanks! Wonderful Guide! Very Happy


Thank you very much and you're welcome.

This 'Plan' isn't exactly a guide per say, it's more of an outline that lists all the Event Agents that give Faction standing increase and a few different ways to apply them. How this 'Plan' is used is entirely up to each player depending on their standings and what their goal is.

Anyway, I hope you have continued good luck and much success towards completing your goal.

DMC

Cool

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2011.06.17 02:42:00 - [356]
 

Edited by: DeMichael Crimson on 17/06/2011 02:53:27



I just wanted to post the different Social skills and effects along with the Agent standing requirement.


Social skill will increase your effective standing with all Agents, Corporations and Factions.

Diplomacy skill will raise your current negative standings with all Factions.

Connections skill will increase your current positive standings with Empire Factions.

Criminal Connections skill will increase your current positive standings with Pirate Factions.

Negotiation skill will increase the reward and standings gained for completing missions.


Completing missions:

To help raise all negative Faction standings quickly, train Diplomacy, Social and Negotiation skills.

To help raise positive Empire Faction standings quickly, train Connections, Social and Negotiation skills.

To help raise positive Pirate Faction standings quickly, train Criminal Connections, Social and Negotiation skills.


To access high level Agents:

Maintain the Faction standing above -2.00 along with the required amount of Corporation standing.

Level 1 Agents = Available regardless of standings.
Level 2 Agents = Above +1.00 standing.
Level 3 Agents = Above +3.00 standing.
Level 4 Agents = Above +5.00 standing.
Level 5 Agents = Above +7.00 standing.


I'll have to see if there's room to include this info somewhere in the original 'Plan' pages.

DMC

Cool

Aston Martin DB5
Posted - 2011.06.17 06:50:00 - [357]
 

Why don't you just ask for a sticky and stop bumping this?

Takseen
Posted - 2011.06.17 08:03:00 - [358]
 

I just finished the Amarr epic arc, choosing the Amarr empire path and didn't get a faction standings boost. Is this intended? If not, should I petition it or what?

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2011.06.17 11:39:00 - [359]
 

Originally by: Aston Martin DB5
Why don't you just ask for a sticky and stop bumping this?


Confused

I'm not going to ask for a 'Sticky'.
Nor am I going to stop updating this thread which you refer to as 'Bumping'.




Originally by: Takseen
I just finished the Amarr epic arc, choosing the Amarr empire path and didn't get a faction standings boost. Is this intended? If not, should I petition it or what?


Takseen, congratulations for completing the level 4 Amarr Epic Arc.

Smile

There has been reports of Faction standing increase not being received for completing the Epic Arcs.

Definitely file a petition asap.

DMC

Cool

Lizzi Borden
Gallente
Non Entity
Posted - 2011.06.17 19:32:00 - [360]
 

Edited by: Lizzi Borden on 17/06/2011 19:34:27
I went from barely being able to get into Minmatar and Gallente space to being able to run level 3's for both in less than 24 hours. Thank you so much. I honestly would not have even know I could fix my standings if not for this post.


Pages: first : previous : ... 7 8 9 10 11 [12] 13 14 15 : last (15)

This thread is older than 90 days and has been locked due to inactivity.


 


The new forums are live

Please adjust your bookmarks to https://forums.eveonline.com

These forums are archived and read-only