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DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2011.04.25 06:27:00 - [301]
 

Shocked

+100 Quality

Thanks a lot and you're very welcome.

Very Happy

I'm glad the 'Plan' has helped you and I wish you have continued success.

When I first decided to work out a 'Plan' to repair Faction standings, I searched the Forums and other web sites for info and found bit's of information here and there. I was surprised that nobody had added it all together into a working guide. As I was doing it, I noticed lot's of other players asking about how to fix bad Faction standings and since we're all family here, I decided to post the 'Plan' while also working it. Soon after I complete all of the Event Agent missions, I'll go thru this entire thread and make a very informative and precise guide for the Evelopedia.

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To all Eve players, I have some real life issues to take care of for the next month and I won't be able to log in very much. I'll still try to check up on this thread every few days but it'll probably be more like once a week at the least.

However, Nerror theTerror has agreed to watch over this thread and help out with answers to questions. He has good knowledge on the workings of this 'Plan' and the 'Force is strong with this Apprentice'.

As I said, I'll still be checking in to make sure everything is A-OK. After I get done with this RL issue, I'll be back to flooding this thread and the Forums with my posted replies.

Once again I wish everyone good luck and much success working the Faction Standing Repair Plan.

DMC

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Dmarc
Posted - 2011.04.25 15:01:00 - [302]
 

Great info,

I Endorse this product YARRRR!!

Nerror theTerror
Posted - 2011.04.27 20:47:00 - [303]
 

Edited by: Nerror theTerror on 27/04/2011 22:25:40

Promised DMC I'd post an update of my own progress.

As I've mentioned in a previous post, I made this guy with some fairly specific standing goals in mind. I got every single social skill to V early on, then started working on the plan here:

Phase 1
Work through this Faction Standing plan for the 4 major empires: Amarr, Caldari, Gallente & Minmatar. I've done all the Tutorial Agents, Career Agents, Circle Agents and the Graduation Certificate missions and their follow-up mission-chains. Doing the SoE epic arc when available.

I still need to do all the pirate tag missions from the Datacenters, as well as all the Cosmos missions. Those I'll do later when I've collected more tags and my combat skills are better.

Phase 1 gave me access to low quality L3 agents from all 4 major high-sec empires, and L2 agents from the smaller factions.


Phase 2
Get standings of 4 or higher with all high-sec NPC corps. Originally I only meant to do several of the corps, but along the way I decided I might as well go for every single one of them. Currently flying around in a fairly low-skill hurricane (T1 weapons, T2 tank) doing L3 missions, getting on average 1 NPC corp standing to 4+ per day. I have to switch back and forth between factions to avoid either of the faction standings from becoming too low to get the L3 missions. The storyline missions give great corp standings, so well worth doing even if it means going back and forth between factions.

This is what I am currently working on. I still have a long way to go though; just under 120 NPC corps left :)

My faction standings are currently at:
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Phase 3
Get all high and low-sec NPC corp standings to 6+. By this time I should be in a well-fitted Loki and can do some low-sec missioning as well for corps like Nefantar.



Phase 4
Now I should be in a Machariel to blitz L4 missions to get all high-sec NPC corp standings to 8+. Will use the Loki for the low-sec agents.


Phase 5
Finally it's time to butcher my high-sec faction standings and start working all the pirate faction corps. I just have to keep all faction standings at -1.99 or higher. This I hope is possible through the various epic arcs and being picky with missions.

Jellobear
Posted - 2011.04.28 11:46:00 - [304]
 

Originally by: DeMichael Crimson
Shocked

+100 Quality

Thanks a lot and you're very welcome.

Very Happy

I'm glad the 'Plan' has helped you and I wish you have continued success.

When I first decided to work out a 'Plan' to repair Faction standings, I searched the Forums and other web sites for info and found bit's of information here and there. I was surprised that nobody had added it all together into a working guide. As I was doing it, I noticed lot's of other players asking about how to fix bad Faction standings and since we're all family here, I decided to post the 'Plan' while also working it. Soon after I complete all of the Event Agent missions, I'll go thru this entire thread and make a very informative and precise guide for the Evelopedia.

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To all Eve players, I have some real life issues to take care of for the next month and I won't be able to log in very much. I'll still try to check up on this thread every few days but it'll probably be more like once a week at the least.

However, Nerror theTerror has agreed to watch over this thread and help out with answers to questions. He has good knowledge on the workings of this 'Plan' and the 'Force is strong with this Apprentice'.

As I said, I'll still be checking in to make sure everything is A-OK. After I get done with this RL issue, I'll be back to flooding this thread and the Forums with my posted replies.

Once again I wish everyone good luck and much success working the Faction Standing Repair Plan.

DMC

Cool




First off,

Your guide is amazing and it's saving me loads of time. I'll be sending you a surprise later.

Second,

I recently checked your standings and I notice they're all hovering around 3.5~4.0 (No skills involved). Are you still following the plan. Any idea how high it can go right now? (6.0> for all empire factions)

Third,

Any update on whether we can also improve our pirate faction at the same time?


Thanks again for the guide!

Nerror theTerror
Posted - 2011.04.28 15:21:00 - [305]
 

Edited by: Nerror theTerror on 28/04/2011 15:21:47

Originally by: Jellobear

Third,

Any update on whether we can also improve our pirate faction at the same time?


Let me attempt to answer this clearly and concisely: Yes and no, and it depends... Razz

The biggest problem are the derived faction standing adjustments, where one or more faction standing goes down, when another goes up.

Whenever you do a storyline mission for any of the empire factions, it's gonna hurt a pirate faction standing. This includes the Tutorial, Career, Datacenter, Circle, and Cosmos missions.

The Epic Arcs are your best bet if you want to get some of the pirate faction standings up, but you simply cannot get all standings up at the same time. You'll have to pick and choose.

For example, you can use this plan to get your empire standings up first, and then do the pirate epic arcs to get the Angel Cartel and Guristas standings up. If you do all the epic arcs every 3 months, and are very picky with your regular missions and ignore the storyline missions, you should be able to keep increasing your standings with Amarr, Caldari, Gallente, Minmatar, Angel Cartel and Guristas at the same time.

ValentinaDLM
Minmatar
Ubi Concordia Ibi Victoria
Posted - 2011.04.28 15:23:00 - [306]
 

Just an update to my personal quest, I have now got my Sansha's Nation faction standing to -4.90

After running missions in stain (hundreds of l1s) to go from -9.6 to -8.01 and running the amarr epic arc to get to -5.85 standing, I ran the epic arc again with my alt and much to my surprise the faction standing was shared (Nothing I had ever heard, anywhere lead me to believe that faction standing could ever be shared), split evenly down the middle for a 6% gain to us both, putting my main at -4.90

This means between my 2 accounts I can still get 12% more standing with my main and primary alt, and my that point I will be able to run level 4 missions in stain with both my main and primary alt, meaning I will have more choices to decline missions (I still don't want to be KOS in high sec). Already my true power standing is so high that I could run decent missions on my main as soon as I get above -2 faction.

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2011.04.29 07:11:00 - [307]
 

Edited by: DeMichael Crimson on 29/04/2011 07:28:54
Well, just thought I'd check in on the thread. I'll still be busy with RL issue's for the next 3 weeks so Nerror TheTerror will be helping out.

Originally by: Dmarc
Great info,

I Endorse this product



Dmarc, thanks for posting.

Smile

I'm sure your endorsement of this 'Plan' will be very helpful. Feel free to refer it to any and all Eve players who are looking to repair negative Faction standings and or boost current positive Faction standings.

DMC

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Originally by: Jellobear
First off,

Your guide is amazing and it's saving me loads of time. I'll be sending you a surprise later.

Second,

I recently checked your standings and I notice they're all hovering around 3.5~4.0 (No skills involved). Are you still following the plan. Any idea how high it can go right now? (6.0> for all empire factions)

Third,

Any update on whether we can also improve our pirate faction at the same time?


Thanks again for the guide!


Jellobear, thank you. I'm glad the 'Plan' is working for you.

Shocked

A surprise?

Very Happy

As for my standings, I've only completed one mission since my last progress report. It was a Minmatar level 3 Cosmos Agent located in low security at The Alliance Barracks. Nothing much to report other than a slight shift in my Faction standings.

Since Agents look at player standings modified by Social skills, I usually post those but I'll make an exception this time.
My base standings unmodified for the Factions:

Servant Sisters of EVE,,,,,,,,,,8.00
Mordu's Legion Command,,,,4.25
Minmatar Republic,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,4.19 = Empire
Caldari State,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,4.11 = Empire
Amarr Empire,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,3.83 = Empire
Khanid Kingdom,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,3.75 = Empire
The InterBus,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,3.74 = Empire
Gallente Federation,,,,,,,,,,,,,,3.60 = Empire
Ammatar Mandate,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,3.29 = Empire
ORE,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,2.76
Jove Empire,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,2.24
The Society,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,1.99
CONCORD Assembly,,,,,,,,,,,,,,0.70 = Empire
Thukker Tribe,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,-3.70
The Syndicate,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,-6.00
Guristas Pirates,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,-9.75
Blood Raider Covenant,,,,,,,,-9.92
Angel Cartel,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,-10.00
Sansha's Nation,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,-10.00
Serpentis,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,-10.00

Empire = Factions that control high security systems.

I still have all Factions level 4 Epic Arcs and level 4 Cosmos Agents along with a few of the Data Center Agents left to complete. Those all give a very large Faction standing increase and with max Social skills, will make a big difference. It should place me up around +7.00 and with continuing the Epic Arc missions every 3 months, I should be able to go much higher.

Many thanks to Nerror TheTerror for watching over this thread.

The advice he stated is correct. With max level Social skills and completing all of the Event Agent missions listed in the 'Plan' to gain max positive standings with all of the Empire Factions, players can then raise a few of the Pirate Factions (Angel, Guristas and Sansha) easily by completing the Epic Arcs without hurting the other Faction standings. The other Pirate Factions will just have to wait till CCP adds Epic Arcs for them. Before doing the Pirate Epic Arcs, it would be a good idea to max the skill - Criminal Connections - along with the rest of the Social skills to receive max standing increases.

http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0911/Carebear_COSMOS_Extreme_v1.2.pdf
Pirate Cosmos Agents - guide (Completing these will give positive and negative derived standings to all other Factions)

Well, I hope this info is helpful and I'll be sure to check in again next week. Until then, good luck to everyone and again, thanks to Nerror TheTerror.

DMC

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Haruko Hebi
Posted - 2011.04.29 23:36:00 - [308]
 

Interesting and useful guide. thanks.

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2011.05.01 19:04:00 - [309]
 

Haruko Hebi, you're welcome.

Hope the 'Plan' helps you as much as it's helped me.

Qalix
Posted - 2011.05.02 14:44:00 - [310]
 

So Nerror, you really ARE doing almost exactly what I'm doing. I'm going straight for 8+ standings with a particular list of corps. Its a rather long list at 84 or so. I guess by hisec/losec corps you mean pirate vs. non-pirate. Quite a few non-pirate corps have offices in losec/nosec.

I did the Minmatar epic arc last week. Very much a let down. The final 12.5% standings bump took me up only a little bit overall. I had expected a big, fat bump, but I guess not. Since I don't want to mess around with negative standings, it looks like I'll do the other epic arcs, get the slight bump in standings and some goodies, open up some l2 agents for each faction, but I'll still be mainly grinding individual corp standings. The negative faction standings seesaw just looks like it slows things down for my project. The mission strings necessary to get 2 or 3 storylines to get to l3 agents for a corp seem less time consuming overall.

btw, for those of you who haven't done epic arc missions, they are absolutely not playing around. Much tougher rats than regular missions.

Nerror theTerror
Posted - 2011.05.02 17:08:00 - [311]
 

Originally by: Qalix
So Nerror, you really ARE doing almost exactly what I'm doing. I'm going straight for 8+ standings with a particular list of corps. Its a rather long list at 84 or so. I guess by hisec/losec corps you mean pirate vs. non-pirate. Quite a few non-pirate corps have offices in losec/nosec.

I did the Minmatar epic arc last week. Very much a let down. The final 12.5% standings bump took me up only a little bit overall. I had expected a big, fat bump, but I guess not. Since I don't want to mess around with negative standings, it looks like I'll do the other epic arcs, get the slight bump in standings and some goodies, open up some l2 agents for each faction, but I'll still be mainly grinding individual corp standings. The negative faction standings seesaw just looks like it slows things down for my project. The mission strings necessary to get 2 or 3 storylines to get to l3 agents for a corp seem less time consuming overall.


Yep looks like it. :)

I let my Amarr standings slip a bit too much at one point, so I only had access to L2 agents, and perhaps I was unlucky with the missions as well, but it took a longish time and a lot of travelling back and forth to get it back to L3 standing. I'd rather keep the 4 major faction standings fairly even from now on.

As you I started with a long list, but ended up just saying "screw this, gonna do em all".

What ship are you using? After having run a bunch in my hurricane, I find the biggest timesink is the distance between mobs. I am seriously considering ditching my love for guns to go for a Tengu and the 100+ km range on the heavy missiles. It's a very time-consuming plan we're both on, so even a few minutes shaved off per mission here and there saves a ton of time in the end.

As for high-sec vs low-sec, I didn't mean the pirate factions. They come last. But yeah I'll have to do both low and null-sec missioning for some of the non-pirate factions/corps as well. :)

Alain Kinsella
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.05.08 12:45:00 - [312]
 

Started to work on this to help with POS standings, and even in a couple weeks of casual work I went from -1 to +1 unmodified Gal standings. Haven't even finished the Career Agents yet, not bad.

And, related to that, is a possible problem: How do you force the Tutorials to stay 'off' while running Career missions? It looks like CCP is forcing this setting back on every time you run a Career mission. I've tried just about everything, including a cache clearing and both cancelling and 'next'-ing every tutorial in an Arc. I'm on the 3rd system and its acting like my very first one from two years back.

This is going to get tiring *real* quick unless I can just bypass the Career agents for now and go straight to the faction Circle/COSMOS from Tutorial Agents.

Diplomacy and Connections are both at 4, Social 5 is being trained right now.

Nerror theTerror
Posted - 2011.05.08 13:12:00 - [313]
 

Originally by: Alain Kinsella
And, related to that, is a possible problem: How do you force the Tutorials to stay 'off' while running Career missions? It looks like CCP is forcing this setting back on every time you run a Career mission. I've tried just about everything, including a cache clearing and both cancelling and 'next'-ing every tutorial in an Arc. I'm on the 3rd system and its acting like my very first one from two years back.

This is going to get tiring *real* quick unless I can just bypass the Career agents for now and go straight to the faction Circle/COSMOS from Tutorial Agents.


Yeah I had the same problem when doing mine. I just got used to quickly clicking the little x every time. Annoying for sure though.

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2011.05.09 00:18:00 - [314]
 

The little Tutorial boxes?

Some of those will give skill books and modules. I just went through them and sometimes got extra items, other times it just said I had already received the item.

I'm not sure if there is a way to cancel it. Might be an option in the Esc menu to not show Tutorials.

Mara Rinn
Posted - 2011.05.16 05:29:00 - [315]
 

Yes, two options in General Settings: Show Tutorials, and Show Welcome Screens.

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2011.05.17 05:21:00 - [316]
 

Mara, thanks. I wasn't sure if there was an option or not.

Since the Faction Standing Repair Plan has become a major thread in this Forum section, I just wanted to say thanks to all the players who take the time to link it for those who can benefit from it. It was created to help myself as well as everyone else in this game and even though I wrote it, I believe it belongs to the Eve Community for all to share.

DMC

Cool

With the new changes coming soon to Agent Quality and Agent Divisions, I don't think there will be much impact to this plan.

At least I hope so.

Nerror theTerror
Posted - 2011.05.17 07:34:00 - [317]
 

Originally by: Mara Rinn
Yes, two options in General Settings: Show Tutorials, and Show Welcome Screens.


The problem is that even with those off, I still got the tutorial box every single time on those Career Agents. Not sure if it's a bug, or if CCP just want to make sure people get them anyway, even if they've turned it off in settings.


Originally by: DeMichael Crimson
With the new changes coming soon to Agent Quality and Agent Divisions, I don't think there will be much impact to this plan.

At least I hope so.


Nothing negative I think Very Happy It'll be easier to do the whole 16 regular missions to get a storyline mission, if that becomes necessary during the plan.

Mr Kindjal
Amarr
Kongsberg Vaapenfabrikk Amarr branch.
Sev3rance
Posted - 2011.05.17 09:13:00 - [318]
 

Edited by: Mr Kindjal on 17/05/2011 09:13:57
How often can I use the datacenter agents?

Nerror theTerror
Posted - 2011.05.17 10:03:00 - [319]
 

Edited by: Nerror theTerror on 17/05/2011 10:04:31
Originally by: Mr Kindjal
Edited by: Mr Kindjal on 17/05/2011 09:13:57
How often can I use the datacenter agents?


All the datacenter agents are one-time-use only. You can do them all (once you meet the standing requirements), but only once.

Only the epic arcs are repeatable every 3 months.

TImora Fosty
Warhamsters
Posted - 2011.05.20 06:52:00 - [320]
 

Edited by: TImora Fosty on 20/05/2011 06:52:54
Well with the new patch realities, it's much easier to clean up your empire standings, due new agent features, you get standing for higher lvl agents much faster, and ( rofl ) all tutorial agents are now +20 Q, and i believe that the same thing is with data-centers and circle agents. I'm glad that i've only started doing this now (=

Edit: Why the hell is this thread not sticky yet? so many questions about standing all over the forums...

Alain Kinsella
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.05.20 09:00:00 - [321]
 

Originally by: Nerror theTerror
The problem is that even with those off, I still got the tutorial box every single time on those Career Agents. Not sure if it's a bug, or if CCP just want to make sure people get them anyway, even if they've turned it off in settings.


Thinking about this more, I'm beginning to believe 'forced' tutorials on Career agents is a deliberate change. From my one experience with the Incarna tutorial (where I accidentally killed the window and could not reach it again), the average player will only be doing this once anyway. So best to make *sure* that one run is giving you the info needed.

While it does make for annoying runs through multiple Career sites, its a one-time thing anyway (and only at the beginning of this plan, which can take a while to implement depending on what you're trying to do).

As for the patch itself, anyone notice their faction standings go up after the patch? I've not done any missions since then, but just about every faction standing went up by about 1 full point (I *know* my SoE standing was not over 3 when I had to drop off for a couple weeks, now its almost 3.2). Kinda nice, if I could figure an explanation - the corp standings did not change btw, which is what has me confused.

Maverick2011
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2011.05.20 18:55:00 - [322]
 

This topic needs a sticky

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2011.05.21 19:43:00 - [323]
 

Edited by: DeMichael Crimson on 21/05/2011 20:08:16

Thanks for posting, I think this thread already had some glue thrown onto it but only CCP knows for sure. Would be nice to get an official reply from CCP about this.

As for the Event Agents listed in this 'Plan', my understanding of the new Agent quality changes was that all agents can be accessed as -20 quality but they pay out rewards and standings as +20 quality.

So about the only major change to this 'Plan' due to CCP's Agent Quality patch is that all regular level 1 Agents are now available to everyone regardless of standings when before it was only Agents level 1 quality 0 or lower.

Again it would be nice to get an official reply from CCP about that also.

DMC

Cool

EDIT:
I'll have to go through the 'Plan' (probably next week) and if needed, edit/update it. As I said, this 'Plan' is still viable and I don't really see any major significant changes needed due to CCP's new patch for the game.

akitespero
Posted - 2011.05.26 18:35:00 - [324]
 

Edited by: akitespero on 26/05/2011 18:38:46
Hi all, I've been following the plan for quite some time, wonderful guide. I have some info and a request.

Info on standings. When you gain standing, say 12%, you get and increase of 2.4 points if you are at -10, 1.2 points if you are at 0 and .6 if your standing is +5 so the higher your standing the lower the real gains. That is known and stated elsewhere in this thread. Problem is derived standings. When you get a standing decrease, lets say -6%, you always lose .6 points, no matter what your standing is.

So if your standing with a particular faction is +5, a 12% gain gives you a .6 real increase, while a 6% loss, takes out the same .6 from it. Nasty.

What this means is that doing the bouncing (missioning with one faction then with another) to get high standings with all empire factions will not help you above +4 or +5 (in give or take a bit) as the negative derived standings will cancel out the gains.

By the way I have tested this after the 1.5 Incursion Patch.

Now my question. I'm about to do the Amarr epic arc. I have found out is several posts in the forumsthat there is no faction standing gain at the end of the arc (high sec path ending in Right to Rule mission) Can anyone confirm this?

Thanks in advance.

ValentinaDLM
Minmatar
Ubi Concordia Ibi Victoria
Posted - 2011.05.27 15:03:00 - [325]
 

Originally by: akitespero
I'm about to do the Amarr epic arc. I have found out is several posts in the forumsthat there is no faction standing gain at the end of the arc (high sec path ending in Right to Rule mission) Can anyone confirm this?



Ironically this is exactly what people told me about going the low sec path. My understanding is that a long time ago the faction standing on the amarr epic arc was bugged, and it didn't award standing, a petition would award your standing though. Some people didn't know this and to this day they say that the arcs give no standings, but it is intended to give you either 12% Sansha's Nation or 12% Amarr Empire standing depending on your path.

Look here http://www.eveonline.com/updates/patchnotes.asp?patchlogID=194 under fixes for missions and agents, it amazes me that people are still being told there is no faction standing increase, as it was fixed long ago.

akitespero
Posted - 2011.05.27 20:30:00 - [326]
 

Edited by: akitespero on 27/05/2011 20:33:44
Edited by: akitespero on 27/05/2011 20:32:41
Originally by: ValentinaDLM

Look here http://www.eveonline.com/updates/patchnotes.asp?patchlogID=194 under fixes for missions and agents, it amazes me that people are still being told there is no faction standing increase, as it was fixed long ago.

Thanks Valentina. I just checked the link and you are right, the dev blog says:

"All existent Epic Arcs, Blood Stained Stars, Penumbra, Right to Rule, Syndication, and Wilfire, will now provide faction standing bonuses associated with the chosen ending upon completion."

By the way, I just finished the caldary arc and I had to petition the faction standing increase (got the increase in two days).

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2011.05.29 02:35:00 - [327]
 

Thanks for posting, I think.

Rolling Eyes

As for not being able to get above +4 or +5 Faction standing with all Empire Factions from working this 'Plan', I don't know where this info is coming from but it is false.

Mad

Currently I have over +5 Faction standing with almost all of the Empire Factions and I still have more of the 'Plan' left to complete.

Confused

When I first came up with the idea for this 'Plan' there were lot's of players saying there was no way to have positive standings with all Empire Factions. After I proved that it was possible, they then said the standings couldn't go above +4.00. I have proved that is possible also. Now that I have standings above +5.00 there are players saying that standings can not go above +7.00. With the level 4 Empire Epic Arcs and completing all Event Agents listed in this 'Plan', it may take some time but I see no problem getting the Faction standings well above +9.00 for all Empire Factions.

DMC

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akitespero
Posted - 2011.05.30 14:55:00 - [328]
 

Edited by: akitespero on 30/05/2011 17:01:20
Edited by: akitespero on 30/05/2011 16:59:56
Edited by: akitespero on 30/05/2011 16:42:39
Edited by: akitespero on 30/05/2011 16:00:58
Edited by: akitespero on 30/05/2011 15:53:45
Edited by: akitespero on 30/05/2011 15:46:06
Edited by: akitespero on 30/05/2011 15:44:43
Edited by: akitespero on 30/05/2011 15:20:59
Edited by: akitespero on 30/05/2011 15:19:44
Originally by: DeMichael Crimson

As for not being able to get above +4 or +5 Faction standing with all Empire Factions from working this 'Plan', I don't know where this info is coming from but it is false.

I hate it when people do not take the time to read posts.

You got it wrong Crimson, I didn't say it is not possible to get beyond +5 with your plan, problem is you didn't read my post.

What I said is that "bouncing" alone won't allow you go above +5 in all empire factions. In order to go above +5 you have to get a way to increase your faction standings without decreasing those of other empire factions, say by doing epic arc missions. Derived losses get as high as standing increases beyond certain point (having maxed connections and social skills will allow you to go beyond the +5 limit somewhat)

You can see it yourself, from January until today and following your Eveboard evolution the average of your (modified) 4 main empire factions standings has gone from 5.11 in January to 5.14 today. A whooping 0.03 average standing increase in four and a half months. Less than 0.01 increase per month. You can see the diminishing returns you are getting. I suggest, based in the info of my post above, that you concentrate exclusively in the Epic Arcs from now on.

Also you should add the info of my previous post in your guide. It IS useful info, and you know it.

One last thing, your plan is great, and I'm not being sarcastic. I love it, I use it and all I want is for people to get the max out of it. That is why I posted in your thread.

See you around mate.

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2011.05.31 01:23:00 - [329]
 

Thank you for posting. I did read what you had posted and I'm sorry if my reply bothered you.

Bottom line is that by following this 'Plan' players can and will get well above +5.00 Faction standing with all Empire Factions.

As for my own standings, I guess you missed the post about my being busy with real life issues for the past 6 weeks which kept me out of the game. I also posted my completing only one Cosmos Agent mission within the past few months due to mainly only doing exploration. Before that I was grinding standings with R&D Corporations to gain access to Research Agents which took quite a while but I now have access to the highest R&D Agents in 7 different R&D Corporations.

Yes, you're right about the Epic Arcs in the fact that they don't give any derived standings towards other Factions. They are included in this 'Plan' and are a major factor in getting all Empire Factions above +9.00 standing. In fact, I'm currently working the level 4 Epic Arcs and after completing them, will be doing the level 4 Cosmos agents and also complete all Data Center Agents that I haven't done yet.

As usual, I'll be sure to post my stats asap. Until then, I wish everyone much success and good luck.

DMC

Cool

akitespero
Posted - 2011.05.31 07:28:00 - [330]
 

Sorry about my previous reply, my tone was off and I apologize, I have had rough week at work, and my boyfriend being an ass###e didn't help.
Originally by: DeMichael Crimson
Epic Arcs are included in this 'Plan' and are a major factor in getting all Empire Factions above +9.00 standing.

Epic Arcs are the ONLY way to increase all four empire faction standings beyond +5.

Once you reach an unmodified +5 with all four empire factions, Cosmos and Datacenters won't help you, whatever you gain with one faction, you lose with its enemy. Don't rely on my numbers, do the math yourself. You have an acceptable Minmatar standing, do an Amarr DataCenter or Cosmos mission and check how much REAL standing (not %) you gain with Amarr and how much you lose with Minmatar. And then prove me wrong. I'd love to be proven wrong in this, same way I'd love to be proven wrong about my boyfriend being a cheating liar, but that is another story.

Fly safe.


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