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Nerror theTerror
Posted - 2011.04.15 16:26:00 - [271]
 

And finally the Caldari datacenter mission-chain. It's the same as Amarr and Gallente in being quite straightforward. No options in mission choice. Part 4 of The Celestial Imperative leads to the side mission-chain The Hapless Thief.

With all social skills at 5 I got:

The Hapless Thief: 1.25% Caldari faction.
The Celestial Imperative: 0.4786% Caldari faction.


So yeah, only the Minmatar mission chain offers any choice.


DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2011.04.15 23:11:00 - [272]
 

It's a shame that the other Factions don't have a 2nd 'Side' mission option to gain a bit more Faction standing like the Minmatar.

ugh

Thanks for the update and extra info about the Data Center Cert' missions. I'll be sure to add it to my notes for when I rewrite and change the 'Plan' into a 'Guide'.

Much success to you and thanks again.

DMC

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Eternal Noob
Posted - 2011.04.15 23:38:00 - [273]
 

Why is this not sticky'ed? Is it because it is not a dev post?

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2011.04.15 23:49:00 - [274]
 

Edited by: DeMichael Crimson on 15/04/2011 23:58:05


What?
Shocked
It's not?


I thought it was.
Sad


Well, that's a question for CCP to answer.
I don't think they check this thread very often. I think they've probably never even looked at it.

You could always ask them yourself and then post the answer here for everyone to see. Better yet, why not invite one of them here to check it out themselves. Tell em to bring extra glue and a couple rolls of duct tape.

DMC

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Kirin Xaxos
Posted - 2011.04.16 01:40:00 - [275]
 

DeMichael

Regardless of what everyone critic or not. I dig your plan. I started an alt and they are at 2.37 roughly with most of all the factions and I have not even touched the tags yet. I am on the COSMOS portion and have the socials up to 4 but trining them to five. I am even at 4 or 5 with all my main core competencies so that i can do some damage with the alt. I am even with all the main hitters and of course the pirates I could give a rats a** about. Anyway just letting you know that you have good thing here and should infact make something of it liek that ISK guie they want everyone to now buy instead of getting the free one. Kudos.Cool

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2011.04.16 11:23:00 - [276]
 

Kirin Xaxos, it's great to hear the 'Plan' has helped you a lot.

Very Happy

I plan to rewrite the Faction Standing Repair Plan and turn it into a guide for Evelopedia after I complete all the Event Agent missions. Since I like to do exploration it's taking me longer than anticipated to complete but I'll soon be back working the 'Plan' again. Just a few of the Tag missions left along with the level 4 Cosmos Agents which I'll tackle right after the level 4 Epic Arcs.

Anyway, thanks for posting and I hope you have continued success working the 'Plan'.

DMC

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Montgomery Crabapple
Posted - 2011.04.19 14:28:00 - [277]
 

I can't get my head around faction standing increases. If it's, say, a 1% increase, that's 1% of the current value? So, for example if my faction standing is 3.5, increasing it by 1% will give an increase by only 0.035, to 3.535?

Nerror theTerror
Posted - 2011.04.20 02:04:00 - [278]
 

Edited by: Nerror theTerror on 20/04/2011 02:05:27
Originally by: Montgomery Crabapple
I can't get my head around faction standing increases. If it's, say, a 1% increase, that's 1% of the current value? So, for example if my faction standing is 3.5, increasing it by 1% will give an increase by only 0.035, to 3.535?


It's 1% of the difference between max (10) and your current unmodified standing. If you have 3.5 base faction standing without considering your Connections skill, a 1% increase means you add 1% of 6.5 (10-3.5) to the base standing. This also means that the higher your standings, the slower they go up.

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2011.04.20 02:24:00 - [279]
 

Yeah, that's correct.

DMC

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TImora Fosty
Warhamsters
Posted - 2011.04.21 05:54:00 - [280]
 

Edited by: TImora Fosty on 21/04/2011 05:55:38
Edited by: TImora Fosty on 21/04/2011 05:54:50
Need an advice Mr. Crimson
I'm currently grinding lvl 4 mission from Sansha in Stain, they mostly give me missions against factions (especcially Amarr), i haven't leveled diplamacy yet and have -4 standing with Amarr Empire, how shall i act after training diplomacy to constantly keep my amarrian standings over -5.0 over time? I assume that those Cosmos missions etc. are available every 3 months aren't they?

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2011.04.21 18:54:00 - [281]
 

Edited by: DeMichael Crimson on 21/04/2011 18:59:22

Well, this 'Faction Standing Repair Plan' is mainly intended for the Empire Factions and in working this 'Plan' makes all the Pirate Faction standings negative.

I've looked at the possibility of also getting the Pirate Faction standings positive but that will take some work. I still have to do more research on that but this is the general idea.

I'm thinking when all of the Empire Faction standings are at a very high positive level from completing all of the Event Agent missions listed in this 'Plan', it should be fairly easy to raise some of the Pirate Faction standings with the level 3 Pirate Epic Arcs. There's currently two of them, Angel and Guristas, which give +30% standing increase for completion. There's also an option to switch sides in the Amarr level 4 Epic Arc and complete it for Sansha to gain +12.75% standing increase. Then there are also some Pirate Faction Cosmos Agents but that involves derived standings.

Like I said, I still need to do more research.

As for your question, definitely train up Diplomacy to help raise the negative Faction standings. Since you're doing missions for Pirates, it makes sense that the majority of encounter missions being offered would be against Empire Factions.

All of the Event Agent missions (Tutorial, Career, Circle, Data Center and Cosmos) listed in this 'Plan' can only be completed once per character and they will give both positive and negative derived standings to all of the other Factions.

The only exception is the Epic Arcs. The Epic Arcs can be completed every 3 months and give no derived standings to the other Factions. There are a few missions that give negative standings for ship and or structure kills. The amount of negative standing incurred is very small when compared to the amount of positive standing gained (+12.75%) for completing the Epic Arcs. To start the level 4 Epic Arcs, the starting agents corporation standing needs to be +6.80 and the Faction standing needs to be above -2.00 for access. It can also be accessed with just Faction standing above +6.80.

Since you're at -4.00 with Amarr, I suggest doing the Sisters of Eve level 1 Epic Arc and complete it for Amarr which will give you +8.75% standing increase. The only standings required for the SoE level 1 Epic Arc is to be able to enter high security systems so you'll need to have all Empire Factions above -5.00 and your security status above -2.00.

Maybe if you can get the Amarr standing above -2.00, you can then grind some corporation standings for the starting Agent and then complete the Amarr level 4 Epic Arc along with the SoE level 1 Epic Arc for Amarr. Then I guess you can continue with the Sansha missions and complete those 2 Epic Arcs every 3 months to help offset the Sansha missions. I don't know how long that would work since I don't know the type of missions being offered or the amount of derived standings incurred for completing those.

I don't know if all of the Factions can be made positive. Most of them can be positive with some careful work. When I first came up with this 'Plan', the standings game mechanic made it so there was going to be some negative Factions. With the Epic Arcs, that has changed.

Anyway, I hope this has been helpful and I wish you good luck.

DMC

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TImora Fosty
Warhamsters
Posted - 2011.04.21 19:17:00 - [282]
 

Well thanks, I'm a bit dissapointed but on the other side.. what am i waiting for? For the amars to be friendly to their greatest enemy's allie? =) i guess tutorial agents once + SOE Epic arc every 3 months will work if i gonna be a bit carefull

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2011.04.21 20:01:00 - [283]
 

Yeah, you could run through all the Amarr and Caldari low level Event Agents and complete the SoE Arc for Amarr and with Diplomacy level 5 you just might get Amarr Faction standing up over -2.00 to access the Amarr level 4 Epic Arc. Course the Social and Negotiation skills will help a lot too.

Anyway, Good luck to you.

DMC

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Qalix
Posted - 2011.04.21 20:22:00 - [284]
 

The pirate arcs offer 3 possible starting agents each. You need 4.35 standing with any of them, their corps, or their faction. Guristas can be accessed with Cal/Gal faction standings, Angels with Ama/Min. Not to mention corp standings, which will work as long as you're not -2 with the relevant faction. It is possible to start epic arcs without any previous faction standing by grinding standings with the agent's corp. It appears to be theoretically possible to grind standings with the corps for the various arcs, run the arcs, and have positive faction standings to all, negative to none. This doesn't account for ships/structures you may hit along the way. If you've got a buddy, he can run the mission with you and take the hit though. It looks like, maybe, if you ran each arc two or three times over the course of many months, you could be 7+ with all of them.

I'm not 100% sure about all this, but I've started to work on it, so I guess I'll find out.

ValentinaDLM
Minmatar
Ubi Concordia Ibi Victoria
Posted - 2011.04.21 21:00:00 - [285]
 

Originally by: TImora Fosty
Edited by: TImora Fosty on 21/04/2011 05:55:38
Edited by: TImora Fosty on 21/04/2011 05:54:50
Need an advice Mr. Crimson
I'm currently grinding lvl 4 mission from Sansha in Stain, they mostly give me missions against factions (especcially Amarr), i haven't leveled diplamacy yet and have -4 standing with Amarr Empire, how shall i act after training diplomacy to constantly keep my amarrian standings over -5.0 over time? I assume that those Cosmos missions etc. are available every 3 months aren't they?


I am working on my sansha standings actually, one tip is if you do tho amarr epic are and you don't have a friend with you do not kill the sentry guns or neut towers, the give a -3% Sansha loss, the rats themselves give very little loss. luckily I have had alts and friends kill the rats and such so I took no penalties.

I don't know how the final chapter is siding with amarr (as i am backwards I have fine amarr standing but poor sansha faction standing), but if you can deal without killing the sansha towers you should be able to get a pretty good boost from it without much penalty.

Also if you note your standings transactions you will see that when you mission in stain if you avoid killing the structures and sentry guns you don't lose standing too quick, so I would try and decline amarr missions that have you kill structures if you can.

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2011.04.21 22:06:00 - [286]
 

Qalix, thanks.

Yeah, you're right.

With the proper planning and some time, players can have positive Faction standings with all Empire Factions and most of the Pirate Factions. With 3 different starting Agents for both Angel and Guristas level 3 Pirate Epic Arcs, gaining access to them should be no problem. I thought it was +4.60 standing needed to access those agents but hey, +4.35 makes it even easier.

Anyway, that's why I said they would be fairly easy to get positive standings with since they give +30.00% standing gain for completion. Sansha would take a bit longer to get positive due to the level 4 Amarr Epic Arc only giving +12.75% standing gain.

To get positive with Blood Raiders and Serpentis would be a lot of work grinding regular missions plus storylines. The derived standings from that would mess with all the other Faction standings. Thukker Tribe would also be tricky to get positive. The only Faction positive to them is Minmatar.

Thukker, Angel and Guristas also have Cosmos Agents which would incur more derived standings, both positive and negative, towards all the other Factions.

As I said, more research would have to be done to see if it's possible to get all Factions positive. That's a project to be worked on sometime in the future. Hopefully by then CCP will have created Epic Arc's for Thukker, Blood Raiders and Serpentis.

DMC

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DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2011.04.21 22:11:00 - [287]
 

Originally by: ValentinaDLM
Originally by: TImora Fosty
Edited by: TImora Fosty on 21/04/2011 05:55:38
Edited by: TImora Fosty on 21/04/2011 05:54:50
Need an advice Mr. Crimson
I'm currently grinding lvl 4 mission from Sansha in Stain, they mostly give me missions against factions (especcially Amarr), i haven't leveled diplamacy yet and have -4 standing with Amarr Empire, how shall i act after training diplomacy to constantly keep my amarrian standings over -5.0 over time? I assume that those Cosmos missions etc. are available every 3 months aren't they?


I am working on my sansha standings actually, one tip is if you do tho amarr epic are and you don't have a friend with you do not kill the sentry guns or neut towers, the give a -3% Sansha loss, the rats themselves give very little loss. luckily I have had alts and friends kill the rats and such so I took no penalties.

I don't know how the final chapter is siding with amarr (as i am backwards I have fine amarr standing but poor sansha faction standing), but if you can deal without killing the sansha towers you should be able to get a pretty good boost from it without much penalty.

Also if you note your standings transactions you will see that when you mission in stain if you avoid killing the structures and sentry guns you don't lose standing too quick, so I would try and decline amarr missions that have you kill structures if you can.


Excellent information.

Smile

Thank you for sharing that.

DMC

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Qalix
Posted - 2011.04.21 23:35:00 - [288]
 

I guess unless you want to run missions for the pirate faction long term, there's not much of a reason to have faction standing with them.

Nerror theTerror
Posted - 2011.04.22 03:06:00 - [289]
 

It's really all about what goals you have. High faction standing serves a few different purposes like putting up a POS, lower broker fees when trading, some faction ship BPCs at 8.5, 9.2 and 9.9 faction standing, but for a mission-runner all they really do is enable easy access to corps you aren't already working for. Not that that isn't important of course. Razz Once the corp standing exceeds the faction standing, the faction standing becomes somewhat irrelevant (for that corp) unless it gets to -2 or lower of course.

This guy is my dedicated mission runner, and I started him out from scratch with a pretty specific goal in mind: Max out social skills early on, then work this plan from the bottom, so to speak, doing every single tutorial, career agent (this part got really boring I must admit), circle agent, datacenter agent (except the tags) and of course the SOE epic arc when up. This gave me a great start on working on corp standings for a lot of different corps, because I could jump straight to L3 agents for most high-sec corps. Had to start with L2 agents for Thukker, Ammatar and Khanid though, but that was ok.

Once I get access to the good agents for all the corps I want (currently working on that), I can start fleet-sharing standings with my other chars who need corp standings for trading, research, jump-clones, whatever. All I have to be careful of in the long run is keeping all factions standings above -2. I plan to do the pirate factions after all the high-sec stuff is done, but for now I am just butchering those standings.

Maladeu
Amarr
Big Shadows
Initiative Mercenaries
Posted - 2011.04.22 04:18:00 - [290]
 

o/

I am getting dizzy from all this faction/corp/personal -standings.
I wanna do missions for Archangels.
I have -10.0 with Angel Cartel
-1.54 with Archangels
and a security status of -6.8

Am I totally screwed?
How would you do it?

Nerror theTerror
Posted - 2011.04.22 07:15:00 - [291]
 

If you can get your sec status up high enough to get access to one of the two high-sec angel epic arc agents, that's probably your best bet. That's assuming your Amarr or Minmatar standings aren't completely shot too. While you work on that, start training those social skills up. Social, diplomacy, connections, criminal connections, perhaps fast talk to make the sec status go up faster.

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2011.04.22 10:11:00 - [292]
 

Nerror theTerror, thanks.

Very Happy

You're right in your advice if it pertained to the other Event Agents, the SoE level 1 Epic Arc and the Empire Faction level 4 Epic Arcs.

However, the level 3 Pirate Epic Arcs are a bit different. The agents and missions are located in low/0.0 security systems so a players security status doesn't matter.

You're also correct about the starting Agents, Amarr or Minmatar, as well as training up the Social skills which definitely will help.

I sense the Force is strong in you and I could use your help. Please contact me in-game, my young Apprentice.

DMC

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Originally by: Maladeu
o/

I am getting dizzy from all this faction/corp/personal -standings.
I wanna do missions for Archangels.
I have -10.0 with Angel Cartel
-1.54 with Archangels
and a security status of -6.8

Am I totally screwed?
How would you do it?


Shocked

Have no fear.

As Nerror theTerror said, if you haven't tanked the Minmatar or Amarr Faction standings, you can still access the Angel Pirate level 3 Epic Arc.

Agents look at standings modified by the Social skills. The minimum standing required is Faction standing (Amarr or Minmatar) above -2.00 and the Corporation standing of the starting Agent at +4.35 or higher. If you already have Amarr or Minmatar Faction standing at +4.35 or higher, you can access the Epic Arc starting agent without having to grind any Corporation standings.

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Epic_mission_arcs#Angel_Sound
This lists the three starting Agents and their location.

Social skills will definitely help a lot. Training up Diplomacy will decrease the current amount of negative standing, Social (for Empire Agents), Negotiation (all Agents) and Criminal Connections (for Pirate Agents) will increase the amount of standing gained for completing missions. When the standing becomes positive, the Connections skill will help increase the current positive standings.

http://lorebook.eve-inspiracy.com/
Good guide for the Epic Arcs and lore.

There you have it. Check your Amarr and Minmatar Faction standings. If high enough, go to one of the Factions starting Agent. If not, train up the Social skills, (should already be trained to receive max rewards) and do some regular mission grinding for Corporation standings and then:

Yarrrr Matey

DMC

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Maladeu
Amarr
Big Shadows
Initiative Mercenaries
Posted - 2011.04.22 11:18:00 - [293]
 

Edited by: Maladeu on 22/04/2011 11:20:18
Thanks a lot matey!
That really cleared things up for me, thought I was doomed to robbing ratting ravens for a poor living

Fly light rob heavy, Yarr YARRRR!!

Qalix
Posted - 2011.04.22 15:09:00 - [294]
 

Originally by: Nerror theTerror
High faction standing serves a few different purposes like putting up a POS, lower broker fees when trading, some faction ship BPCs at 8.5, 9.2 and 9.9 faction standing, but for a mission-runner all they really do is enable easy access to corps you aren't already working for.

Yep. But the pirate factions are all in npc 0.0. So no faction standings needed for POS.

It sounds like you and I are doing almost the exact same thing. Except I'm going straight for corp standings to run the epic arcs. I was going to do the other faction standings missions (like career agents, etc) but I was concerned about getting too many negative standings that I would then have to fix before I could move on.

I figured I would grind out the standings for each of the 4 epic arc start agents' corporations. I'll run the SOE arc to get standings with the faction that has the majority of corps I eventually want standing with. Then run the other 4 arcs to open up a lot of agents, then start on the corps I want standings with long term. Since its a long term project, I'll get to run the arcs again. That should put me high enough to run L3/L4 for every empire npc corp in the game. But it sounds like you've already gotten L3s... so maybe I've got the wrong idea.

Nerror theTerror
Posted - 2011.04.22 16:48:00 - [295]
 

Well, doing *all* the career agents and tutorials is an absolute bore, so if you have the skills/ship to do the L4 epic arcs, I'd say your way sounds more fun overall :) I have done the SOE epic arc a couple of times as well.

Yeah I have L3 agent access, but mostly only those of quality below 0. Right now I am taking the corp standings to around 4 so I am not dependent on the faction standings in the long run. I have to switch back and forth between the factions too, to avoid too much seesawing when doing the storylines.

Maximus Meredius
Posted - 2011.04.22 20:51:00 - [296]
 

DMC, thank you so much for all the info. Amazing guide.

What I'd like to know though, is if I could just buy large amount of tags from the market and skip the missions to save time? If so, where would i return the bought tags to increase standings with Gallente?

My standing with Gallante is -9.6 and at the moment thats the only one I want to work on but in a haste. Please tell me what you think.

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2011.04.23 00:02:00 - [297]
 

Originally by: Maximus Meredius
DMC, thank you so much for all the info. Amazing guide.

What I'd like to know though, is if I could just buy large amount of tags from the market and skip the missions to save time? If so, where would i return the bought tags to increase standings with Gallente?

My standing with Gallante is -9.6 and at the moment thats the only one I want to work on but in a haste. Please tell me what you think.


Maximus Meredius, thank you.

Smile

Yes, it's faster to buy the 'Tags' from the market but you'll still have to talk to the agents which are located in Empire high security. At -9.6 Gallente Faction standing that's going to be very tough to do. If you enter with a ship filled with Tags, chances are it'll get destroyed and the cargo will be lost. Your Gallente Faction standing need's to be above -5.00 to freely travel without getting attacked by the NPC Navy.

The Data_Centers are mainly 'Trade' type missions except for the low level 'Cert' missions which are 'Courier' missions.

The Agent mission briefing sounds like an 'Encounter' mission but it's actually more of a 'Seek and Destroy' type thing and getting the required amount of a specific Tag type within the mission time frame is near impossible.

To access the agents above level 1 quality 0, the Gallente Faction standing needs to be above -2.00 and then grind standings with the Data Center Agents Corporation to the level listed in the Agent information.

Right now the Gallente Data Centers are not a viable option. If the Minmatar Faction standing is higher, that would be the starting point. The first step is of course training Diplomacy. Training Social and Negotiation will also help future standing rewards. After you've trained up Diplomacy, Minmatar Faction Standing will hopefully be above -5.00 and can start working the 'Plan' with them. When Gallente Faction standing gets above -5.00, can switch over and work the 'Plan' with Gallente.

If you can get all Empire Faction standings above -5.00 you can do the SoE level 1 Epic Arc and complete it for the Faction you have the lowest standing to gain a large Faction increase.

This 'Plan' is the quickest way to repair negative Faction standings. I'm sorry but there's no other faster way. Unfortunately it will take some time to work it. My advice is to re-read the original four posts of the 'Plan' again and with the statements in this reply, formulate a viable course of action to work.

I hope that answers your question. I wish you lot's of luck and much success.

DMC

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Maximus Meredius
Posted - 2011.04.23 02:12:00 - [298]
 

Dmc,

Thank you for your prompt response. The part that is a bit confusing is doing missions for Minmatar to get standing with Gallante. So what you're saying is Just do Minmatar missions and every storyline mission of Minmatar will boost my Gallante standing? I guess I dont understand how your Gallente standing is affected when doing missions for Minmatar?

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2011.04.23 04:53:00 - [299]
 

Edited by: DeMichael Crimson on 23/04/2011 05:02:29

Any positive Faction standing gained is shared with it's allies and at the same time the enemy Factions will incur negative Faction standings. That is known as derived standings. All Storyline and Event Agent missions give Faction standing along with derived standings towards the other Factions. The only exception is the Epic Arcs.

When entering a Factions space with a standing of -5.00 or lower, that Factions NPC Navy will attack.

If your Gallente Faction standing is the lowest, then Minmatar should be higher. Train up the Diplomacy skill so that the Minmatar Faction standing is above -5.00.

After that you can start working the Minmatar Event Agents (Tutorial, Career, Circle, etc.) listed in this 'Plan'. All of the Event Agent missions give Faction standing increase along with derived standings, both positive and negative, to the other Empire Factions. Since Gallente and Minmatar are allied, both will gain positive standing boost.

After a while the Gallente Faction standing will get above -5.00 which is when you can start working the Gallente Event Agents listed in this 'Plan'. At that time you can also complete the Sisters of Eve level 1 Epic Arc for Gallente to help raise the Faction standing. When the Gallente Faction standing is above -2.00 you'll have access to Agents above level 1 quality 0. At that time you can continue working the 'Plan' or grind regular missions for the Gallente Data Center Agents Corporation to turn in Tags for Faction standing increase.

I wasn't talking about doing regular missions to get storyline missions. That option is for after training up Diplomacy and both of the negative Faction standings are still below -5.00. Then you'll have to find level 1 quality 0 or lower Agents located in the areas you can safely travel in and grind regular missions + storylines until one of the negative Faction standings is above -5.00. Then can start working the 'Plan'.

I hope everything is clear now. If not, just let me know and I'll try to be more precise. Good luck to you.

DMC

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Maximus Meredius
Posted - 2011.04.25 04:02:00 - [300]
 

DMC,

Thank you so very much for your insight. I've utilized your plan promptly and effectively which gave me -4 standing and I could travel to Gallente space now. I'm still working on it of course but at least i could be safe in those regions of the Universe. I just wanted to personally thank you for your time and effort to help everyone out here without expecting anything in return. That says a lot about your personality. If you were an eve-agent, you'd be +100 quality... LOL... You're the best. Very Happy


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