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Duncan MacPherson
Minmatar
Avatars of Ore
Posted - 2010.02.02 19:44:00 - [1]
 

3 accounts - solo player - never been in a wormhole

First I plan on going in solo with just a covert ops ship to just poke around and practice my skills.

What I am thinking is deep worm hole/deep null sec living for awhile. I am thinking of doing the following:

Account #1 - Battleship with cloak on it
Account #2 - Covert Ops frig - loads of probes and scanning tools
Account #3 - Orca with a cloak on it - ammo/supplies - will be my mobile base

If I play a conservative game (hence all the cloaks) and took it slow do you think I would do okay? Any comments or suggestions on this idea.

Krinthe
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2010.02.02 20:00:00 - [2]
 

You are only going to be able to SOLO up to a Class 2 WH. If you are clever and experienced, you can "maybe" do Class 3 WH's.

You do NOT need to use a Covert Ops ship. Its too expensive and you WILL loose it...yes, yes you will.

Forget about the CO ship, pointless in a WH. Get yourself a decent Cruiser, slap on a cloak and THEN go for it. Scout around and if you come across something interesting, go get your BS and then come back.

CO ships are for sneaking up on PvP players, NOT NPC's. Yes, of course you "could" use them if you really wanted to, but im telling you right here and now, YOUR GOING TO LOOSE IT. Since its going to happen, doesnt it make more sense that if your going to loose a ship, it should be a cheap one?

Fish Hunter
Posted - 2010.02.02 20:25:00 - [3]
 

Go out and try it. Try using a hac or t3 as your ratting ship though, much more mobile and more likely to survive someone trying to catch you. probably should try a c2 first. Nullsec is marginally safer with insta intel local.

Passin Through
Posted - 2010.02.02 20:31:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Krinthe
You do NOT need to use a Covert Ops ship.
This is a strange statement.

Cov Ops ships give bonus's to scanning.
So yes you would want a ship that gives those bonus's.
If you could fly a T3 that can shoot as well as scan even better.

Keeps spamming the scan button and you should be ok.

Christian Schneider
Posted - 2010.02.02 20:53:00 - [5]
 

you can solo even class 6 wh space sites. you need one carrier pilot and 2 faction bs / marauder pilots. with 2k total dps you can clear a site worth 700m ISK within one hour.

RootEmerger
Posted - 2010.02.02 20:59:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Krinthe
You are only going to be able to SOLO up to a Class 2 WH. If you are clever and experienced, you can "maybe" do Class 3 WH's.

You do NOT need to use a Covert Ops ship. Its too expensive and you WILL loose it...yes, yes you will.

how the hell do you lose a co ship in a wh, when the CO leaves cloack only to drop the probes and, when something juicy come up, to drop a can with the bm then jumps to another safe?

the biggest risk than you'll take in a CO is to jump cloacked at range from the ship you have probed down to give the combat ships a jump-in point - if you ever leave cloack you simply dont know how to fly it.


Krinthe
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2010.02.02 21:31:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: RootEmerger
Originally by: Krinthe
You are only going to be able to SOLO up to a Class 2 WH. If you are clever and experienced, you can "maybe" do Class 3 WH's.

You do NOT need to use a Covert Ops ship. Its too expensive and you WILL loose it...yes, yes you will.

how the hell do you lose a co ship in a wh, when the CO leaves cloack only to drop the probes and, when something juicy come up, to drop a can with the bm then jumps to another safe?

the biggest risk than you'll take in a CO is to jump cloacked at range from the ship you have probed down to give the combat ships a jump-in point - if you ever leave cloack you simply dont know how to fly it.




Quote:
This is a strange statement.

Cov Ops ships give bonus's to scanning.
So yes you would want a ship that gives those bonus's.
If you could fly a T3 that can shoot as well as scan even better.

Keeps spamming the scan button and you should be ok.


You guys must have misread his post. He said he has never been in a WH before. So, as far as that goes, he is a newb to WH space. You going to tell a newb to WH space to take an expensive ship in there where he's never been before? You guys are setting him up to fail. He should learn the ropes of WH space before he takes a CO ship in there. Bonuses or not, he should fly a cheap ship in there first and then decide if he wants to risk a CO ship. For all we know, he doesnt even know how to find out what class WH he is entering.

OP, do what ya want bro. You've heard both sides. Risk it or not, its YOUR isk on the line. Just let me warn ya though, there are lots of times Ive entered WH's only to see my pod on the other side because when I went thru, there was a bubble around the WH. You cant see who is in WH space until you actually enter. There is no special star map telling you how many people are in there in the past 30min, nothing to tell you how many pods were destroyed in the past hour or how frequently people go into it. Dont risk a high value ship on something you know nothing about. Just warning ya.

Krinthe
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2010.02.02 21:41:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: RootEmerger
to drop a can with the bm then jumps to another safe?


How is the OP going to jump to another safe if he has never been there b4 to make a safe?

Duncan MacPherson
Minmatar
Avatars of Ore
Posted - 2010.02.02 21:47:00 - [9]
 

Krinthe I can understand what you are saying. Before I risked what will end up being around 700 mil in ships I would grab a throw away cruiser and check it out solo first.

Yes I have zero clue about WH. I don't know how to tell what class. I am mainly a mission runner and miner. I have the PVP skills if I need to. One thing I learned a long time ago is I may mine and mission run - but in EvE you are ALWAYS in a PVP world.

I am just getting to where I need to take some risk. Get out there. Doing lvl 4s in empire and mining Veld semi afk is next to nothing in risk. So I plan on getting about a billion together and then go out in the world and see what the other 98% of EvE is about.

Anita Geist
Posted - 2010.02.02 23:41:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Anita Geist on 02/02/2010 23:42:45
Edited by: Anita Geist on 02/02/2010 23:41:45
Edited by: Anita Geist on 02/02/2010 23:41:29
Originally by: Krinthe
nothing to tell you how many pods were destroyed in the past hour or how frequently people go into it.


actually their is Dotlan eve maps

just type the system name.

Mara Rinn
Posted - 2010.02.02 23:58:00 - [11]
 

One could also learn the necessary player skills by probing down exploration sites in hisec:

  • Probing

  • Flying with a covert ops cloak

  • BM scan sites, sending alts in with combat ships

  • How to handle hacking sites

  • Creating bookmarks mid-warp to establish "safe" spots

  • Use GoonFleet's "Poseidon" technique to establish deep safe spots

  • Handling three ships without dropping cloak



Learning everything as you go in W-space is going to be exciting, but deadly.

Trikill
Gallente
Solar Valley Fleet
POD-SQUAD
Posted - 2010.02.03 05:18:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Trikill on 03/02/2010 05:31:18
Edited by: Trikill on 03/02/2010 05:27:17
Edited by: Trikill on 03/02/2010 05:24:45
Let me give you my take on this WH thing...

I've been flying solo in WH space with Three characters, just like you want to do, for about 4 months now.

Alt 1: T3 (proteus)
Alt 2: Cov Ops, Transport ship, and one salvage ship (do not use the Cov. ops for salvaging it will take forever)
Alt 3: Orca

All those ships can esaily fit in the orca with room for an extra salvage ship and cov ops ship, and even a PvP HAC or something...

I did set up a med. POS in the first WH I settled in, but I really could have done everything I wanted with just the Orca. Thing is I also brought some mobile labs along for research on the go, if your into that sorta thing.

You will be able to solo all the sites in a C1/C2 with just a BC, but in a C3 you wont be able to do anything but the Anomalies (no RADAR/MAG sites)unless you are in a T3 or are good at multitasking with two very well tanked Remote Rep BS's using two of your toon's. thing is a BS won't fit in an Orca...so T3 it is! So yes, you do have to put some very expensive assets on the line if you want to make the big bucks solo in C3's.

In my proteus it takes me about 20-40min to clear a site plus the 5 minutes it takes my other alt to salvage. And each C3 site averages between 50-80+ million in loot and salvage...made up for the cost off my assets in the WH after the first two weeks.

Keep your orca pilot and your salvager cloaked up by each WH exit in your system and listen for anyone who jumps in while you kill sleepers (or mine if you like miningConfused).

The tough part is finding wh's that are 1. unoccupied and 2. don't get a lot of traffic so you can kill sleepers in relative safety, unless your board of sleepering and actually want the company...Twisted Evil It's because of these two points that moving from WH to WH on a daily or even a weekly basis is unfeasible for profitability. In 4 Months I've only moved to one other C3 because I found that it had more favorable WH connections...

Also, considering the amount of scanning you have to do in WH's A Cov Ops is really the only option, that or a T3 with the scanning subsystem, which frankly would still be worth the money even if I lost it! no but seriously, use Cov Ops not the T1 variants, they suck at scanning.

READ THIS THREAD BEFORE YOU DO ANYTHING:
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1060651

And use this for the sleeper sites:
http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=WormholeSpace

Good luck!




Bari Lothar
Posted - 2010.02.03 11:07:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Bari Lothar on 03/02/2010 11:07:44
For soloing, I would suggest finding a good C1, or try and get a T3 (most effective) and solo C3's.. otherwise you can use command ships and BC's, but it gets quite slow.

Bonuses are your friend ;)

Vale Maleic
Posted - 2010.02.03 11:43:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Krinthe
Originally by: RootEmerger
Originally by: Krinthe
You are only going to be able to SOLO up to a Class 2 WH. If you are clever and experienced, you can "maybe" do Class 3 WH's.

You do NOT need to use a Covert Ops ship. Its too expensive and you WILL loose it...yes, yes you will.

how the hell do you lose a co ship in a wh, when the CO leaves cloack only to drop the probes and, when something juicy come up, to drop a can with the bm then jumps to another safe?

the biggest risk than you'll take in a CO is to jump cloacked at range from the ship you have probed down to give the combat ships a jump-in point - if you ever leave cloack you simply dont know how to fly it.




Quote:
This is a strange statement.

Cov Ops ships give bonus's to scanning.
So yes you would want a ship that gives those bonus's.
If you could fly a T3 that can shoot as well as scan even better.

Keeps spamming the scan button and you should be ok.


You guys must have misread his post. He said he has never been in a WH before. So, as far as that goes, he is a newb to WH space. You going to tell a newb to WH space to take an expensive ship in there where he's never been before? You guys are setting him up to fail. He should learn the ropes of WH space before he takes a CO ship in there. Bonuses or not, he should fly a cheap ship in there first and then decide if he wants to risk a CO ship. For all we know, he doesnt even know how to find out what class WH he is entering.

OP, do what ya want bro. You've heard both sides. Risk it or not, its YOUR isk on the line. Just let me warn ya though, there are lots of times Ive entered WH's only to see my pod on the other side because when I went thru, there was a bubble around the WH. You cant see who is in WH space until you actually enter. There is no special star map telling you how many people are in there in the past 30min, nothing to tell you how many pods were destroyed in the past hour or how frequently people go into it. Dont risk a high value ship on something you know nothing about. Just warning ya.


Covert Op Frigates are not expensive in today's economy. Recons on the other hand...

Bubbles on WH's shouldn't prevent you from getting back into the WH and jumping out. Placement from the jump is only what 3km from the WH and not 10km?

Duncan MacPherson
Minmatar
Avatars of Ore
Posted - 2010.02.03 13:13:00 - [15]
 

Thanks all. Some good information here that will get me going in the right direction

Sumelar
Posted - 2010.02.03 17:41:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Fish Hunter
Go out and try it. Try using a hac or t3 as your ratting ship though, much more mobile and more likely to survive someone trying to catch you. probably should try a c2 first. Nullsec is marginally safer with insta intel local.


Hi Fish!

T3 are great for wormholes, I highly recommend that instead of a BS, though BS's can handle them.

Make sure to look up spawn triggers too, or write them down yourself as you go.

Vjorn Angannon
Fleet Escort Services
Posted - 2010.02.04 10:30:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Mara Rinn

*snip*

  • Use GoonFleet's "Poseidon" technique to establish deep safe spots

  • *snip*



    Could someone please explain this to me? Or, point me to a thread that explains this?

    I'm still relatively new to EVE :)

    Thanks!

    Vj

    Femto Zone
    Posted - 2010.02.08 13:39:00 - [18]
     

    Edited by: Femto Zone on 08/02/2010 13:40:10
    Originally by: Vjorn Angannon
    Originally by: Mara Rinn

    *snip*

  • Use GoonFleet's "Poseidon" technique to establish deep safe spots

  • *snip*



    Could someone please explain this to me? Or, point me to a thread that explains this?

    I'm still relatively new to EVE :)

    Thanks!

    Vj


    Linkage

    tl;dr, Use massive ship and exploit the inertia bug that is occuring when you logout/relog on that spot where your ship start to slow down from warping. It will then end up further than intented destination.

    Llauron
    Aperture Harmonics
    K162
    Posted - 2010.02.08 15:04:00 - [19]
     

    Originally by: Duncan MacPherson
    Account #1 - Battleship with cloak on it
    Account #2 - Covert Ops frig - loads of probes and scanning tools
    Account #3 - Orca with a cloak on it - ammo/supplies - will be my mobile base


    I've lived in WH space for over three months now, and i'm glad to help get new targe... err pioneers into the unknown.

    Three characters can do a lot more than you would think, especially if one is in an orca. They are a great mobile base. I'll explain in a second. With these you would be able to handle a class 1/2 and the anomalies in a c3, as someone mentioned before. Unfortunately an Orca or a BS cannot pass through a wormhole leading to a class 1/2 wormhole, hence you will be doing class 3 wormholes mostly.

    As for shiptypes you should use for a class 3 anomaly, i would advice you to take a battlecruiser hull. Due to the lower sig radius and better ability to kill the numerous frig/cruiser spawns in a c3, they will clear and tank these kind of sites better. This is my personal experience at least. Plus they are a lot cheaper.

    Another added benefit with BC hulls is that you can fit one in your Orca. This is why the orca is so great, you can have more ships than just three with you :D. Which is why i would advice the following ship setup for three accounts:

    Account #1 BC with cloak / scanning frig (in orca)
    Account #2 BC with cloak / Salvage destroyer (in orca)
    Account #3 Orca with cloak and lots of ammo

    This way you can have a prober, scanning out sites, whilst buddy #2 and buddy #3 are safe and cloaked in an orca and BC respectively.
    When doing sites the prober can easily hop in the BC. This way you have 2 ships clearing a site, making it go three times as fast. Yes i said 1+1=3 because you negate some of the RR sleepers do.
    After combat, one of the BC pilots can get into the salvager, and finish the salvage fast.
    This way you can maximize loot/salvage whilst minimizing exposure to potential hostiles.

    If i were to use the orca to live as nomads in WH space, this would be the way i would do it.

    Or you can just set up a POS, or join an established corp.

    If you do manage to enter WH space, there is another tip i'll give you freely, which is: 'Be paranoid, use the D-scan intensively, and gtfo at the smallest sign of danger. I might be lurking next door.'

    Vilgan i'Lakin
    Pirates and Ninjas
    Posted - 2010.02.08 15:30:00 - [20]
     

    How well do 2 RR battleships do in a class 3? Seems like they'd have enough tank, but might have issues killing the smaller ships w/ guns. Drones usually work well, but get targeted quickly by sleepers.

    Debating building an RR geddon and RR mega w/ some web/target painting ability to try it out, but would love to hear other people's experiences before I do.

    Irmaus
    Posted - 2010.02.09 08:32:00 - [21]
     

    Originally by: Llauron
    Unfortunately an Orca or a BS cannot pass through a wormhole leading to a class 1/2 wormhole, hence you will be doing class 3 wormholes mostly.


    C1 is the only one that BS can't enter.
    C2 holes fit BS and Orca just fine.

    Daneel Trevize
    Gallente
    Posted - 2010.02.09 11:33:00 - [22]
     

    Originally by: Vilgan i'Lakin
    How well do 2 RR battleships do in a class 3? Seems like they'd have enough tank, but might have issues killing the smaller ships w/ guns. Drones usually work well, but get targeted quickly by sleepers.

    Debating building an RR geddon and RR mega w/ some web/target painting ability to try it out, but would love to hear other people's experiences before I do.
    Last night we started a c3 op with 3 of our c4 RR BS fits. Utterly overtanked and yeah tracking issues with the mostly smaller stuff you're facing. I'd prefer local tanked BCs, can always warp out if you don't pop them quick enough, done them with just 2 BCs before. I'd hope webs help the large guns but fear the small stuff will still be under them.

    Ellmar
    Posted - 2010.02.09 12:55:00 - [23]
     

    Originally by: Krinthe
    You are only going to be able to SOLO up to a Class 2 WH. If you are clever and experienced, you can "maybe" do Class 3 WH's.

    You do NOT need to use a Covert Ops ship. Its too expensive and you WILL loose it...yes, yes you will.

    Forget about the CO ship, pointless in a WH. Get yourself a decent Cruiser, slap on a cloak and THEN go for it. Scout around and if you come across something interesting, go get your BS and then come back.

    CO ships are for sneaking up on PvP players, NOT NPC's. Yes, of course you "could" use them if you really wanted to, but im telling you right here and now, YOUR GOING TO LOOSE IT. Since its going to happen, doesnt it make more sense that if your going to loose a ship, it should be a cheap one?


    the op has more of a clue about the subject and he's not even been there.

    Anyhow, op, honestly sounds much better that you try to get into one of the many wormhole corps out there, for wormholes to be lucrative you need the logistics+the manpower for the better sites. If you desperatly want to solo then put up a pos instead of a orca or focus on solo pvp with a ship that can fit an probe launcher.


     

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