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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
Posted - 2010.08.04 10:23:00 - [241]
 

Another thing to think about. I get the impression a lot of people think wormholes are new. But as race's we have been creating artificial wormholes for a long time. A star gate are an artificial wormhole that's been created and made stable via the building. Jump Drives and jump portals are the creation of temp wormholes to travel.

Helena Ianikova
Posted - 2010.08.04 10:29:00 - [242]
 

Originally by: Pottsey
Another thing to think about. I get the impression a lot of people think wormholes are new. But as race's we have been creating artificial wormholes for a long time. A star gate are an artificial wormhole that's been created and made stable via the building. Jump Drives and jump portals are the creation of temp wormholes to travel.

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1363798

Might be a start. Also, think about the implication of Oruze meaning Sun (or more specifically star). What happened at Seyllin? What is it similar to? What technology exists in New Eden that is similar to Talocan technology, and how is it special?

Connie Focal
The Red Circle Inc.
Posted - 2010.08.04 10:36:00 - [243]
 

Originally by: Pottsey
I am not aware of any static wormholes jumping more than 1 class but that doesn't mean there are not any. I mean if I am in a C5 the static would either be 1 down to C4 or 1 up to C6. Anyway know of statics that jump two classes of wormhole, say a C4 with a static cC6?



I was in a class 4 with a static class 1 the other day: J135508.

Haldane IV
Einstein's Dreams
Posted - 2010.08.04 14:04:00 - [244]
 

Edited by: Haldane IV on 04/08/2010 14:13:35
Edited by: Haldane IV on 04/08/2010 14:05:25
Thanks for posting all that older lore information Pottsey. I had seen that in the past but had actually forgotten about it, so it is indeed a usefull addendum to the discussion.

There is an obvious difficulty in reconciling what was written (by CCP) in 2003, with what is being done now, and as you point out, different versions of the lore on the eve gate have been put out in the past.

I don't want to bash ccp though, what I am more interested is the statement in the novel that the lore is wrong, at least in so far as it relates to what the gate (referred to in the novel as Point Genesis)actually is. That statement does open up the situation as stated in the past (2003) to a degree of further revision, I guess?

Umega
Solis Mensa
Posted - 2010.08.04 17:30:00 - [245]
 

Edited by: Umega on 04/08/2010 17:31:10
Thanks for the additional info, Pottsey.

Quite a difference going from same galaxy to.. could be same, could be a different galaxy, or parallel universe, or alternate reality/timeline. Yeeesh.. the multitude of options and scenarios that could arise from the latter. So nothing concrete their.

Unexplained/unknown phenomenom taking out the EVE gate kinda leads me to believe it wasn't normal.. whether it being taken out purposely by someone or something, or what it was connected (possible alt-time or parallel-uni) to caused the neutron star like conditions around it. To be stunned and confused by such a thing seems like strange behavior when they had ideas how wormholes behave and were manipulating them to a point. Potentially still working.. them Jov, sometimes I wonder where and how recently..

Anyway, the small fleet by wormhole in Hanan was two battlehips, a cruiser, and a frigate. Surveillance status. Not moving, stationary, no Concord.

And given Sansha, and what they been doing.. would it not be too bold to just say and make it fact that it is possible to control the wormholes? They startin' to feel and seem a lot less like a random spatial occurance and more like a made, thoughout, planned highway system.

Henri Rearden
Gallente
VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD
Black Star Alliance
Posted - 2010.08.04 17:37:00 - [246]
 

Just noticed this post in another thread in the fiction forums. Interesting implications!

Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer
Originally by: Inspector General
After receiving intel of the Sansha invasion happening in the system of Eystur, a fellow corp-mate and I quickly headed to the system only to watch as Citizen Astur's carrier was destroyed by the valiant Capsuleers who took up the defense of Eystur. Wanting to keep my ship safe from the exploding capital ship I ordered my ship to warp to the first planet in system, arriving in orbit above the planet my systems detected Citizen Astur's capsule a mere 100km from my location, I quickly directed my ship towards her. However a Violent Wormhole appeared near her and she escaped with the wormhole collapsing behind her. I retrieved this image from my ships logs

Data Recovery



If this is the case, then a CAPSULE generated a worm hole. I don't recall pods having any positions for extra equipment. But this shows either possibility:

That the technology to generate a violent woem hole is very light and small, perhaps a special implant in the pilot.
or
The generator of these worm holes is somewhere else and a position of the pilot or small device need be known.

Now, we have seen drone parts come out of sleeper wrecks that imply small and light tracking and control systems - a lot of this appearing to be highly portable and there is much to suggest that the structures in their systems may have something to do with gate technology. I would wonder if the latter possibility could form a more plausible theory.

Good catch, Inspector.



Mini Schro
Posted - 2010.08.05 03:19:00 - [247]
 

Look at the Society of conscious thought, they have market orders of course, but what they demand...
Polytextiles-
Composite materials, both synthetic and natural, are used in the creation of polytextiles, durable fabrics that see widespread use in the clothing industry, solar sail manufacture, and even classic art.

just a thought here Wink

Julianus Soter
Gallente
Moira.
Posted - 2010.08.05 06:40:00 - [248]
 

At the third battle of Intaki, before anything actually happened, people from the SYNEPublic channel were led to a position in low orbit above Intaki prime by Haeldone Dorgiers. There was a simple frigate there, nothing unusual about it. A Loyal Slave sansha frigate, like those in the spawns. Haeldone and others began firing on it. When it was destroyed, a wormhole formed at its last position, and a small sansha battlefleet came through. This force, however, had no aim of attacking the planet itself, there was no Commander, no drop ships, it was simple counterattack, an ambush, even.

They're able to generate wormholes between arbitrary points in space. I get the sensation that they might be able to do this with cartesian temporal coordinators.

Helena Ianikova
Posted - 2010.08.05 11:11:00 - [249]
 

To CCP Dropbear and the Content Team (and Tony Gonzales by "induction")Laughing:

I would like to stop and say that I appreciate the beautifully intricate pattern you have woven. It is a thing of subtlety and complexity, and I fully appreciate the time and effort you guys have put into it.

I will however echo a statement by someone else; when the content is ignored wholesale, there is a problem. When the ignored content is vital to interpretation of the events provided, it is a failure.

Now, I figured out the puzzle. It's available in character, which is awesome. Out of character information supports it, and I find that (though a bit unsatisfying given the lackluster source) fascinating. I have some serious doubts about it, but since it fits with the patterns I've seen, I will have to accept the interpretation.

The "Chicken or the Egg" question still remains, but I guess the Code Aria Report might put to rest that question if there's anything left there I haven't fully figured out.

To be honest, I don't have the whole thing figured out. I do know what the big picture is. Vitrauze and Anoikis paint the picture beautifully, and it explains Ante perfectly.

I just want to warn you guys in the content department, there may be some initial backlash and shock when things are revealed.

Quote:
Neither man could have imagined that the consequences of their actions would be so widespread, or that evil could triumph so decidedly over the powers of good.


This is the only thing that irks me. Why is there a moral element to this? There is definitely an ethical issue, unless there is a factor that I'm missing completely.

Auwnie Morohe
Posted - 2010.08.05 13:33:00 - [250]
 

Originally by: Helena Ianikova
I figured out the puzzle.


Sorry but I dont think so.

Originally by: CCP Dropbear
Cobalt Sixty: That's exactly the sort of way you'll figure things out, but looking directly at what's out there, and using induction to figure out what's important or noteworthy. The more you look at, the more you'll see a pattern, as the same theories keep cropping up. Others have shared your thoughts about Oruze, those are an example of theories that keep cropping up.

Auwnie Morohe said it. Pottsey said it too, but didn't like the theory because it's plausible yet boring (bluntly paraphrasing here). There's something Pottsey missed, however, in between dropping bombs of Sleeper info. Istvaan clued on to that part of it all, though (where we move beyond the obvious to the much more subtle). Dots are there, but not...quite...connected. You guys have figured out a lot, and now you just need to separate theories into things with strong supporting evidence, and things with more tenuous supporting evidence.

For example, the strongest theories about the meaning of Oruze are based on what is directly observable in wormhole space. The Oruze Enclave at the Mirror: Solar engineering, thermovoltaics and photoelectrics. The Oruze Construct, which somebody needs to take a good screenshot of, preferably from directly above. Wink

Then Oruze Osobnyk. Various translations of it point to different things. The most direct translation is home or more functionally, storage. Togther, Oruze as Sun, and Osobnyk as storage, could mean something as simple as solar power storage. In the context of who we're dealing with, a civilization called the Sleepers, that went into some kind of hibernation...it also seems to align.

Osobnyk might also interesting for other reasons, then, if this theory holds. That's the part Istvaan noted somewhere along the line. YARRRR!!


I think CCP Dropbear was pointing specifically in the wrong direction when he gave hints except for one. Go there. See it with you own camera drones. You know "Go where no man has gone before"Cool.

I wonder, Helena, have you ever been to Anoikis. Im not a big fan of on being shot at but that is not going to stop me anymore. The undiscovered country awaits.Very Happy

Helena Ianikova
Posted - 2010.08.05 13:48:00 - [251]
 

Edited by: Helena Ianikova on 05/08/2010 13:50:33
Originally by: Auwnie Morohe
I wonder, Helena, have you ever been to Anoikis. Im not a big fan of on being shot at but that is not going to stop me anymore. The undiscovered country awaits.Very Happy

Can you explain this? The specifics of the situation. Also, he did not push us in the wrong direction.

Quote:
"I see," the director finally offered. "Tell me, Hilen?"

"Yes, sir?"

"Is it their previous experience that you're after?"

And suddenly Hilen realized that he knew. He knew something, at least. Enough to ask the question, and ask it in such an indirect way. There was no telling what was infiltrated now. No line was secure.

Similarities. Induction. Forming a consensus.

Originally by: CCP Dropbear
Think about that. It may not make sense at first. The complexity of the Sleeper's story runs so deeply that it may take some time to understand. Some time indeed, but you should think about it all the same, if you ever want to understand. The pieces of this puzzle are scattered across a wide area, and a stretch of time unlike any event in EVE has seen before.

Who said all of the pieces are in Sleeper territory? Who says the Sleepers are the only part? What role do the Talocan play?

Why would Hilen Tukoss want "diplomats", and why would he go to Ishukone for their "previous experience?

Answer those questions, and perhaps I'll pose a few more. If not, I guess you'll have to wait until the Seyllin conference to find out.

EDIT: Also, Julianus? What is the "situation", and how exactly could your contact help with it? Or was it something more general? Wink

Jowen Datloran
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
Posted - 2010.08.05 14:43:00 - [252]
 

Originally by: Auwnie Morohe
Originally by: Helena Ianikova
I figured out the puzzle.


Sorry but I dont think so.




It seems anybody who uses out of game sources or the chronicles to explain anything are bound to go wrong.

Oh, and my dogs mother has figured out the puzzle too.

Helena Ianikova
Posted - 2010.08.05 15:15:00 - [253]
 

Originally by: Jowen Datloran
It seems anybody who uses out of game sources or the chronicles to explain anything are bound to go wrong.

So, what's the answer?

Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
Posted - 2010.08.05 15:56:00 - [254]
 

Helena Ianikova said " So, what's the answer?"
42...no...wait, that answer was retired.

Helena Ianikova
Posted - 2010.08.05 16:06:00 - [255]
 

Yay, you win. Ask Dropbear for your cookie.

Auwnie Morohe
Posted - 2010.08.05 18:48:00 - [256]
 

Originally by: Helena Ianikova
Can you explain this? The specifics of the situation. Also, he did not push us in the wrong direction.

In the post I quoted and in previous posts I suspect CCP Dropbear is trying to avoid giving direct clues or confirming theories people have posted are correct because the point of the mystery is to look for it.

Originally by: Helena Ianikova
Who said all of the pieces are in Sleeper territory? Who says the Sleepers are the only part? What role do the Talocan play?

I dont say that all the pieces are in Sleeper space and I dont think they are. The thing is, the most direct link to anything Sleeper and Talocan is in Sleeper space. I do think the only way to understand the mystery is via Sleeper space. What the Talocan were and how they fit in this story is what I think is one of the rewards of this puzzle. And it is kinda obvious the Talocan and Sleepers are the same.

Asking questions is an art in itself. It is very easy to ask why. It is a lot more difficult to ask the right questions. Giving correct answers is even harder. Giving answers that can be verified by others and can be agreed upon by a lot of others is what is called reaching a consensus.

Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente
Sigma Special Tactics Group
Posted - 2010.08.06 01:17:00 - [257]
 

Network Theory:

Quote:
The capsuleers. They will settle. They will understand the network eventually, and they will command it.


In cased anyone missed it.

Terokone
Posted - 2010.08.06 08:14:00 - [258]
 

Quote:
The capsuleers. They will settle. They will understand the network eventually, and they will command it.


And here I'm no longer in w-space. Maybe I can do more out here (or do less :P)

Begin non game-related topic:
We have our first picture of an extrasolar planet. It's in system J160929. I was curious so I ran a search. There actually is a w-space system in-game with that locus signature (class 4, black hole system). Coincidences are so fun!
End non game-related topic.

Now I'm curious to know how the w-space systems were determined. From what planet in New Eden was the right ascension locus signature determined? I know, it's impossible to determine in game by looking at various planets and the starscape. But still, it would tell us know where w-space is. And yes, I've seen the map that was accidentally(?) available on SISI. But still, it would tell us which faction provided the locus signatures to us. And I haven't discovered anything that would explain the + and - in the 3(?) w-space systems with different loci.

The Sleeper drone libraries I assume would have a different system plotting method, unless the original Sleeper homeworld (which would have not been plotted using this method) was used as the right ascension Julian epoch determination. If it was one of the known faction right ascension designations, then w-space would be in the New Eden galaxy.

Enarem Kador
Posted - 2010.08.06 09:05:00 - [259]
 

Edited by: Enarem Kador on 06/08/2010 09:42:45



The problem with locus signatures as right ascension coordinates is that w-space systems are awarded their loci in such a fashion which doesn't allow for existence of a centre of celestial sphere anywhere. Imagine you awarded the numbers in strict order as they are supposed to be based on position of your homeworld and then someone comes along and scatters them all over the place in seemingly random fashion

There is possibility that at one point long long time ago someone (Terrans?) awarded these numbers based on position of stars on celestial sphere centered on their homeworld, but with the passage of time stars moved. Talocans or Sleepers managed to get their hands on old (terran?) astro data and located some systems but never finished their work and thats why systems from 00 to 10 are missing also 18 and 19.

Maybe w-space is actually located in Milky Way galaxy and Talocans were trying to find Sol and return back home to Earth all this time. Or Maybe Talocans were Terrans and it is sleepers who try to pinpoint the location of their dead/lost/abandoned homeworld

Kirian Kador
Amarr
Aperture Harmonics
K162
Posted - 2010.08.06 09:11:00 - [260]
 

Blah wrong char again^^

Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer
Network Theory:

Quote:
The capsuleers. They will settle. They will understand the network eventually, and they will command it.


In cased anyone missed it.


Did we settle? Yes.

Do we understand the network? Some of us do, but not necessary entirely.

Do we command it? Yes, but only to certain extent allowed by our current understanding.

Ellis Croix
Posted - 2010.08.06 13:39:00 - [261]
 

Originally by: CCP Dropbear
So, sorry Niki, I don't want to say "yes" and "no" to explicit ideas, suggestions, theories, etc. At this point in time it's about all of you guys working together, developing theories, and developing consensus about them. Hopefully at that point, there'll be opportunities for more meaningful vindications of those theories than forum posts. Get me?


Basically:
1. This is a story. Despite the fact that they give the sneaky little hints in the chronicles, the Content Developers are not going to tell you what's going on outright, even if you get it right. What they may do is give a little nudge that you can use to help everyone else along the same course.
2. This is an MMO. Individually working on a theory is not going to get you anywhere.
3. This is the Internet. Even if you are right, people will make fun of you.
4. This is a game. This should be fun, yet challenging.
5. This is a community. Try and treat each other with respect, or you might miss some vital clues because you're trying to one-up someone.

Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Interesting. So 'solar engineering' suggests these guys can build or modify stars. Coupled with knowing that Eve's gates are dependent on certain gravitational arrangements of stars... maybe these guys collapsed the Eve gate. Perhaps to seal it behind themselves while 'sleeping' out some long-term condition on the other side. Or maybe they were trying to re-open it.


If they could "modify" stars, maybe they could make one act abnormally? Like, say, Seyllin?

Originally by: CCP Dropbear
Nikilaiki: The issue of knowledge gained from Chronicles and other "out of game" sources is a somewhat inevitable point of conflict, and that's something we're always aware of. When it comes to Sleepers, the focus was on planting seeds amongst the in-game content that came with Apocrypha, so that capsuleers could piece together things just by logging in and taking notice. So…think of that "external" knowledge you mention (and other things past, present and future of that nature) as guidance; beacons to help steer you on the right paths. Going purely off what you can experience as a capsuleer in-game though, I think you can build some credible theories. Hopefully in time, your capacity to do that will grow with the addition of new content, but as I say, supply and demand, we'll have to see how this and many other projects go.


If the chronicles and other out-of-game information is meant to be a guide to point people in the right direction, perhaps that's where we should start. What information in the chronicles and other sources can we use to point us in the right direction, but do not predispose us to a theory in and of themselves? Dropbear mentioned past, present and future.

Now, we know there is more than one source of information:
1. Chronicles
2. Novels (The Empyrean Age and The Burning Life)
3. In-game descriptions
4. RP materials from CCP (Ishaeka Reports and the Code Aria Report).

Also, it's possible to see the "big picture" without knowing the exact pieces that make it up. I see the chronicles as the big picture, with the other content being the puzzle pieces.

So, can the Sleepers be behind the wormholes, and by extension Seyllin? Or is it possible that there are other "players" in this "game" who could have manipulated things, placing pieces on the board?

Now, I think I know where Helena was leading people (yes, this character is an alt of someone who's played for a while... long story, don't ask). Otro Gariushi made deals with the Rogue Drones. Which is why Hilen Tukoss was looking into contacting Ishukone.

It's a complicated story, and it really does run deep. If I get Helena's other comments, she's pointing to the fact that it seems very much like point defects in a crystalline lattice. Which points to someone at CCP looking into M-theory, and doing it right...

...sort of. *Cough!* Dune *Cough!*

Now, someone mentioned cookies?

Julianus Soter
Gallente
Moira.
Posted - 2010.08.06 16:14:00 - [262]
 

Edited by: Julianus Soter on 06/08/2010 16:20:47
The Seyllin events occured because of a specific arrangement of isogen-five set up by rogue drones. Rogue drones are apparently reprogrammable with code available to a select few organizations or individuals, the Sisters of Eve not among them.

So, that's part of the mystery.

Rogue Drones are seen constructing Jovian stations in 0.0 and elsewhere.

Mystery part deux.

Sansha are seen in Jovian space, and have been picking up bits and pieces of Jovian technology, along with human beings.

Mystery part trois.

Sansha Kuvakei has returned from the grave, but has deeply changed. He's using a bizzarre form of remote influence on populations and capsuleers, controlling them.

Mystery part quatre.

Sansha Kuvakei and his allies have returned to Stain, and continue to wage war from there as their base of operations. CONCORD has not issued any public statements or a bounty for Kuvakei. CONCORD employee Sutola Endoma, who was first helpful and encouraging of Capsuleer efforts fighting the Sansha, abruptly changed at the battle of Umokka, for no apparent reason other than a comment I made regarding Operation Ishaeka. Should would later become a Sansha turncoat/reveal herself as a cover operative. She would also become a True Slave, Slave Endoma01

Mystery part cinq.

CONCORD issued a 100 million isk bounty for the capture or kill of a rogue Jovian Admiral, Ouria, who had vast amounts of dangerous and powerful weaponry, the ability to hide in a vast region of space, and minions the allied with him. But they won't do the same for the avowed enemy of Mankind itself.

Mystery part six.

CONCORD was conducting a long term observation and research program, Operation Ishaeka, on the Sansha, investigating their communications networks. They were aware of the Ducia Foundry incident immediately, either demonstrating foreknowledge of the event or pervasive observation of all regions of space, capable of tracking a man like Kuvakei.

Mystery part sept.

Any mention of Operation Ishaeka inspires angry rebukes from all CONCORD employees, even those interfacing directly with the Capsuleers fighting and coordinating the fight against Kuvakei.

Mystery part huit.

Vieve Creston, the director of said Operation Ishaeka, whom has never been seen in space in an operational capacity, is now in Operation Snowblind, the very effort whose purpose is to respond to the Sansha invasions. She will not declassify the other portions of the Ishaeka reports.

Mystery part dix.

The Jovian Disease is know to exist, but is described as "Genetic in nature, it is not infectious to other races, but among Jovians it causes a depression so deep and serious that the victim loses the will to live, and death results within a few days or weeks."

Admiral Ouria, supposedly inflicted with the Jovian Disease, was not depressed, and he was active for months. He was only killed by an overwhelming Capsuleer force.

Mystery part onze.

Sadly, I don't have the sheer mental processing power to tie these all together. there's clear connections and implications. So begin commenting.


Ivvor
Posted - 2010.08.06 17:58:00 - [263]
 

Originally by: Enarem Kador


The problem with locus signatures as right ascension coordinates is that w-space systems are awarded their loci in such a fashion which doesn't allow for existence of a centre of celestial sphere anywhere. Imagine you awarded the numbers in strict order as they are supposed to be based on position of your homeworld and then someone comes along and scatters them all over the place in seemingly random fashion

There is possibility that at one point long long time ago someone (Terrans?) awarded these numbers based on position of stars on celestial sphere centered on their homeworld, but with the passage of time stars moved. Talocans or Sleepers managed to get their hands on old (terran?) astro data and located some systems but never finished their work and thats why systems from 00 to 10 are missing also 18 and 19.

Maybe w-space is actually located in Milky Way galaxy and Talocans were trying to find Sol and return back home to Earth all this time. Or Maybe Talocans were Terrans and it is sleepers who try to pinpoint the location of their dead/lost/abandoned homeworld


I hadn't noticed the missing 18-19 sequence before you mentioned it, but upon viewing the data things get stranger still. There is a gap after the system J174449 and before system J203753 i.e. between 17:44:49 and 20:37:53. That's quite a gap. Taken with the other 10 hour hole we have over half the map missing.

The original missing 10 hours could be explained away as a design issue, i.e. CCP didn't want locus signatures such as J002342, but that new chunk you've noticed seems a lot more deliberate. The question then is what is it telling us?

On the one hand it could represent a gap in systems explored, charted and linked by the Sleepers, but perhaps those missing areas are cut off deliberately. Maybe they were destroyed in the speculated conflict others have referred to, or perhaps they are cut off and only accessible via some means we have yet to discover.

It's worth mentioning that there are just under 2500 known systems in Anoikis. That's an odd number. Why not 3000? Perhaps there are really meant to be 5000, but we can't access them all yet. Many things in Anoikis are mysterious and it seems like we are missing critical pieces so perhaps we need to find out where the rest of those pieces are stored away.

How might we find these missing pieces? I have no strong idea other than by exploring the border systems or maybe conducting a more extensive investigation of class 6 space.

I have a hunch (partly because of something Dropbear once said) that we are missing something important about The Mirror site. As far as I know it is the only site that attempts to communicate with us in a way that we can understand. It tells us about it's archives, but has anybody actually tried asking it for the files it contains?

Or then again, if I'm right about the hidden systems, perhaps they lie on the other side of that Mirror...



Veryez
Posted - 2010.08.06 18:01:00 - [264]
 

Originally by: Julianus Soter
Edited by: Julianus Soter on 06/08/2010 16:20:47
The Seyllin events occured because of a specific arrangement of isogen-five set up by rogue drones. Rogue drones are apparently reprogrammable with code available to a select few organizations or individuals, the Sisters of Eve not among them.

So, that's part of the mystery.

Rogue Drones are seen constructing Jovian stations in 0.0 and elsewhere.



The structure in the first room of the Infiltrated Outposts mission looks very similar to the pictures of jove battlestations under construction. And not only can rogue drones be reprogrammed, they can also be communicated with.

Auwnie Morohe
Posted - 2010.08.06 20:42:00 - [265]
 

Does anyone know what kind of planet the Seyllin one was before it was split in half? And what about the other planets that got Isogen-5ed? It is just a hunch but I remember reading about one of those drone pockets being directly in the shadow of a planet. I think it was in the empyrean age novel so maybe it is not related.

That combined with the Oruze Construct looking somewhat like an eclipsed sun could be connected. The reasoning being the combination of planet and sun producing Isogen-5.

Richtor Mettle
Cryptic Solutions
Posted - 2010.08.06 21:13:00 - [266]
 

Originally by: Auwnie Morohe
Does anyone know what kind of planet the Seyllin one was before it was split in half? And what about the other planets that got Isogen-5ed? It is just a hunch but I remember reading about one of those drone pockets being directly in the shadow of a planet. I think it was in the empyrean age novel so maybe it is not related.

That combined with the Oruze Construct looking somewhat like an eclipsed sun could be connected. The reasoning being the combination of planet and sun producing Isogen-5.


I was in Seyllin a week or so ago, and it is actually a moon. I don't know about the other planets/moons that got blown to pieces. Just thought I'd put that out there. Could be a combo of moon/sun...

Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
Posted - 2010.08.06 21:31:00 - [267]
 

Originally by: Pottsey

This is just a wild theory I am putting out there more for fun as its unlikely to be correct.

What if the Sleepers caused the Eve wormhole to collapse. The Sleepers who could be the Stasis Jove who where working on an Emergent system development. There whole Sleeper network forms one giant VR/network. What if the minds of the people in the VR network, mixed in with the Emergent system development and drone AI's formed one consciousness. The whole sleeper network self-assemble its own consciousness from the minds of the people in habitation plugged into VR, from the drones Emergent design and the sleeper sites Emergent design. This consciousness explosion mixed with the Eve gate which turned the wormhole into a giant vassal for the consciousness.

This is why the wormhole is described as getting angry lashing out and destroying the Jove ship. It is also why the Jove say the Eve gate is not what everyone thinks it is.

The Eve wormhole is one giant consciousness and this is why the Jove abandoned Emergent design research. (Yes I know the timelines do not match for this to be true, unless the wormhole/consciousness goes though time)



Following on from this idea along with posts 68, 72, 75. I was talking to Eventy One who didn't like my theory at first but he found more evidence to back it up. Not enough to prove it right but it's looking more likely.
Unsullied are a group of Jove from I believe a long time ago.

"Genetic engineering has through the centuries transformed Jovian society in every aspect imaginable. Many Jovians believe that enough has been done. The Unsullied is a group of Jovians that have rejected further generic experiments and instead adopt conventional methods to deal with sickness and old age. They are advocates of cyber-implants and want to use machines instead of genes in the search for better life."

That to me sounds like the Sleepers mixed with Emergent system development and the drones. I believe that group of Jove with the Stasis People Jove from the 1St empire are the Sleepers and/or Talocan's.

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1261656&page=3#68
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1261656&page=3#72
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1261656&page=3#75

Altor Quon
Gallente
Posted - 2010.08.06 23:11:00 - [268]
 

Edited by: Altor Quon on 07/08/2010 07:54:04
Originally by: Enarem Kador


Or then again, if I'm right about the hidden systems, perhaps they lie on the other side of that Mirror...




I haven't been in W-space yet, but just reading all this is very interesting already.

Just some things I thought about:
1. Did someone look at the locus signatures using other coordinate systems? polar? spherical? (edit: I just read up on the ascension things... isn't there one set of coordinates missing then for the declination?)

2. About what you just said (see quote): Did anyone try to fly 'through' the mirror yet? One of the images (top down view) shows all the circular structures, and the 'hole' between them...

Auwnie Morohe
Posted - 2010.08.07 00:12:00 - [269]
 

Jackpot, sorta, maybe not so much.Smile Still interesting stuff.

Page 234 of the Empyrean Age novel.

The system is T-IPZB in Delve of which planet 1 is now shattered.

Julianus Soter
Gallente
Moira.
Posted - 2010.08.07 01:09:00 - [270]
 

Which means what, exactly? :P


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