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Ivvor
Posted - 2010.08.03 08:04:00 - [211]
 

Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer


By the way, has anyone attempted some energy attacks on these sleeper structures? Anyone tried to cap drain one, or perhaps cap-sustain one? Chances are they will behave like any LCO but it would be worth a try.




I was attempting to try different modules on enclaves in a C2 yesterday, including energy neutralisers, energy transfer, shield transport, ship scanners, ECM and a few other things but couldn't detect any real effect. However I did notice a few things.

I was experimenting on the enclaves while tanking the sleepers in a Drake. I noticed that the energy flow across the top of the enclave appeared to cut off each time they fired their energy weapons. It's possible this was just a display glitch, but you never know.

As we are supposed to keep our eyes open and look for visual clues as much as anything else, it's also worth mentioning that the top of the enclaves are actually broken up into 24 segments. Yet another potential time reference.

My theory is that whatever we are supposed to be doing in Anoikis to move the story along it involves cracking some kind of code, or a navigation problem, or a bit of both. Perhaps it's just me, but I see the theme of time all over the place and I think it's important.

As locus signatures are essentially time codes, most of my current research efforts relate to trying to determine potential static wormhole destinations based on the time the WH is spawned. There are some vague patterns, in particular in relation to k-space exits in particular regions, but so far I can nail nothing down and could just be seeing things that aren't there.

It seems clear to me, and I assume anybody else who has spent some time in Anoikis, that the wormhole network is not entirely random. As to whether there is a pattern we can unravel and use or not I cannot say. I for one would like to think there is a way to get out of this maze.

Helena Ianikova
Posted - 2010.08.03 10:12:00 - [212]
 

Originally by: Ivvor
My theory is that whatever we are supposed to be doing in Anoikis to move the story along it involves cracking some kind of code, or a navigation problem, or a bit of both. Perhaps it's just me, but I see the theme of time all over the place and I think it's important.

What proof do you have that what we are supposed to be doing is something related to Anoikis? It may very well be, but is there a possibility that we are simply following a line of inquiry that could lead to insight, not necessarily, "the big answer to life, the universe and everything?"

Quote:
As locus signatures are essentially time codes, most of my current research efforts relate to trying to determine potential static wormhole destinations based on the time the WH is spawned. There are some vague patterns, in particular in relation to k-space exits in particular regions, but so far I can nail nothing down and could just be seeing things that aren't there.

You believe the wormholes are static? Is there proof of this?

Quote:
It seems clear to me, and I assume anybody else who has spent some time in Anoikis, that the wormhole network is not entirely random. As to whether there is a pattern we can unravel and use or not I cannot say. I for one would like to think there is a way to get out of this maze.


We do know two conditions of wormholes staying open; duration and mass transfer. Both would expend a set amount of energy, but not necessarily the same energy. That is to say, the wormholes have set durations - after which the wormhole will collapse - though the transfer of mass through the wormholes will collapse the wormhole.

To put it bluntly, the wormholes are based around thermodynamic principles. Or more accurately, it adheres to the laws of thermodynamics. The question is, is this connected to wormhole space, or is the fact that the wormholes are open and connect at random points to wormhole space an accident? Was this part of a closed system that somehow "opened" into one or both of the areas we are encountering?

My "gut" says that this is a series of mistakes. The wormholes are part of a system that was overloaded, and it is attempting to balance out the energy states. No matter how stable the wormholes are, they are indicative of an imbalance due to the thermodynamic principles present.

Now, applying some pseudo-science, perhaps part of it is quantum (Yes, I know, Star Trek explanation inbound) flux. You could basically set up a fluctuating emitter, and cycle through states. Eventually you'll hit on a match, and voila, a wormhole. Another would be setting up conditions that would cause an event (like, say, two or more containers exploding in a set fashion to create a proper "fluctuation" for the event).

Though, if Nation did figure out something about the network, it would explain the use of capsuleers (or more accurately fluid routers).

Solden Koopjes
Posted - 2010.08.03 10:39:00 - [213]
 

Edited by: Solden Koopjes on 03/08/2010 10:48:06
Helena Ianikova you're doing great stuff. Too bad Nikilaiki Ruutarhara deleted all of her posts. In some other post she wrote about the link between sleepers and some kind of disease which I believe is an important lead. You write about a war and fighting but I believe the disease path should not be forgotten. Further I'm just interested in reading this but not really good at the theory formulation. Keep it up.

Found the post:link
Quote:
The Armageddon Project. I reread it today after months of trying to put everything together, and I realized I had been thinking too one dimensionally in regards to the Sleepers.

Since the World on Fire, I've been thinking of how to connect the dots. I've seen the most obvious answer, but didn't have the proper question. I knew the Jovians were involved, and that they had ulterior motives. I knew that the Society of Conscious Thought had a hand in the aftermath, but I didn't have the whole picture.

Rethinking on everything, I realized I was looking for the question to a singular answer. In that, I was looking in the wrong direction. There were multiple questions, and multiple answers staring me in the face.

The first questions involved the Jovians. What were they after? Why did they need Capsuleers? Why did CONCORD impose a travel restriction to non-capsuleer ships?

Anoikis answered many of these questions. I knew the answers already, but it was good to have those answers verified. On the other hand, it brought up questions I had not considered. The most important was this: how did the Jovians know?

After long, drawn out pondering I think I've discovered the answer. "Oruze Osobnyk". The site is named after a repeated message. At first, I thought this was a warning; I still think it is a warning. This is the first branching point as well, as it begins to explain things in a quite roundabout fashion.

"Osobnyk". That word confused me for a while, as there are so many possible translations. The commonly accepted one is "mansion" or "house". Taking the hint from CCP Dropbear, I started to look at possible roots for the word to see if there was another explanation.

Osoba can mean "person". Osobni can mean "personal". More fascinating, however, is the phrase "osobni vlak". It means "passenger train". I thought I had made a discovery, then I looked at Osobni again. It struck me; denim.

Which led me to a very interesting discovery;
Osobnik

Looking around wiktionary, I found the following possible translation for Oruze if you break it down into morphemes.
o- all around
ruze one definition is a skin infection. Most importantly, a red colored skin infection.

With the knowledge that many Talocan sites make mention of a quarantine, this seems like a rather important realization. It also brings up a rather interesting insight into the Jovians.

Shortly after the news of the wormholes and the Seyllin incident, they Jovians already knew there would be a necessary quarantine. Not just of technology brought back, but of the actual sites found.

The Jovians had previous knowledge of w-space and it's dangers, including the Talocan presence.

We have further information that stands out; Blood Raiders seeing their "God" in the pictures released of w-space. Amarr with knowledge of "pre-jovian" technology. The EoM discovering something about the EVE Gate that made them turn to wanting to destroy humanity.

Everything was hidden in plain sight. So I wonder; could Oruze Osobnyk have a dual meaning? The "not so obvious" one about an infection, and another, about where it is?

Oruze: 0- all around and ruze short for rose colored.
Osobnyk: short for Osobanyak, mansion. House.

Oruze Enclave.

I also wonder if Oruze Enclave and Oruze Osobnyk mansion. House.

Oruze Enclave.

Helena Ianikova
Posted - 2010.08.03 11:51:00 - [214]
 

Well, now that you bring it up, quarantines aren't always in reference to a disease.

What evidence points to a disease?

Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
Posted - 2010.08.03 11:53:00 - [215]
 

Helena Ianikova said "You believe the wormholes are static? Is there proof of this?"
Static wormholes are used to describe those wormholes systems that have a static rule and always following that rule. For example you might live in a C3 wormhole that has a static C5 wormhole. That means every time the static wormhole close's and a new one opens it leads to a C5. You will still get none static wormholes in the system but the static wormhole will follow the rule like clock work.

There is 100% at least two types of wormholes. Random wormholes and static wormholes.

Ivvor is correct in saying there are vague patterns. Wormholes are split into regions and you are more likely to get a wormhole that leads into the same wormhole region then another. one of the C4 homes I had always had 1 wormhole to a C3 and around about 8 times out of 10 empire exists where to Amaar space.

I also tended to bump into the same few C3 wormholes time and time again (I book marked every wormhole system I went into). When we moved to a C6 wormhole we choose it as it has a static C5 wormhole. We also found we bumped into the same cycle of C5 wormholes.

In short most well established wormhole corps are aware of static wormholes. We make major use of them.

Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
Posted - 2010.08.03 12:00:00 - [216]
 


Helena Ianikova
Posted - 2010.08.03 12:15:00 - [217]
 

Originally by: Pottsey
A map of wormhole space http://mikrolahti.fi/~wolf/whtcmap.png

Well, the "spiral" on the right looks interesting, considering there seems to be an outward spiral in the colors. Might be the same with the image on the left.

Hmm. Could be the reason for a "temporal cartesian coordinate" system? Could we be looking at an acyclic pattern?

Of course, that may just be the programming scheme used to program the wormhole data. The question is, was this done for a reason, or is it just game mechanics? Wink

Minchurra
Caldari
Posted - 2010.08.03 12:22:00 - [218]
 

Originally by: Pottsey
A map of wormhole space http://mikrolahti.fi/~wolf/whtcmap.png


More detailed maps are available on DOTLAN: Link

Originally by: Helena Ianikova
Of course, that may just be the programming scheme used to program the wormhole data. The question is, was this done for a reason, or is it just game mechanics? Wink


I am more inclined to believe this, otherwise all the systems wouldn't be huddled together down in the bottom corner. Presumably they have to put them somewhere.

Helena Ianikova
Posted - 2010.08.03 12:42:00 - [219]
 

Pottsey: Actually, that makes perfect sense.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statics

Which is why I asked why the term was used. Now, we can look at the wormholes as a mechanism. It should be easier to see patterns this way.

It might be a Bayesian Network for instance, in which case one could potentially develop a map based on this.

Now, it's possible that we're looking at an automated network trying to rebuild itself. We can also look at it as a fluid dynamic model. Either way, the three non-standard W-system locus signatures could be initial variables for a search pattern, conceivably unrelated to the wormholes. Basically, this is strong evidence of two completely separate systems at work.

One, the wormholes, and two, the J-locus signatures. Which means the J-locus signatures are based on a search pattern, trying to find a starting point (yes, this would mean the non-standard J-locus signatures would be vector coordinates for finding that starting point).

It would also explain why the wormholes follow a pattern. The pattern originates from that "starting point".

So, who's looking for the starting point, what's there?

Helena Ianikova
Posted - 2010.08.03 13:28:00 - [220]
 

Edited by: Helena Ianikova on 03/08/2010 13:49:01
Pottsey: Are there any "statics" to known space? Also, are there any statics from a higher-class system to a lower-class system?

Also, a possible explanation for Seyllin.'

EDIT: I have a theory, it's out there, but if it's true, there would indeed be "consequences". Even if not true, there would be consequences. If I'm allowed to, I'll present it at the second Seyllin conference.

CCP Dropbear, I hope I don't accidentally your entire storyline. Confused

Also, CCP Dropbear:
I don't believe in coincidences.

Minchurra
Caldari
Posted - 2010.08.03 14:49:00 - [221]
 

Originally by: Helena Ianikova
Edited by: Helena Ianikova on 03/08/2010 13:49:01
Pottsey: Are there any "statics" to known space? Also, are there any statics from a higher-class system to a lower-class system?


Our system has a static exit to highsec, although its only a class 1 system. The same wormhole spawns everyday and exits somewhere in highsec - usually in Sinq or Metropolis:

Wormhole N110 24 h 1,000,000,000 kg - 20,000,000 kg

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/wormholes

Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
Posted - 2010.08.03 15:06:00 - [222]
 

There are further patterns to wormhole space. Exits to empire are more likely in the lower class wormholes while high class tend to be 0.0 exits with middle class low sec. Statics to empire would most likely only be found in C1s and other low class wormholes. I am not aware of any static wormholes jumping more than 1 class but that doesn't mean there are not any. I mean if I am in a C5 the static would either be 1 down to C4 or 1 up to C6. Anyway know of statics that jump two classes of wormhole, say a C4 with a static cC6?

There are statics from both lower class systems to high class and the other way around.

Stieren Tegundhei
Posted - 2010.08.03 15:16:00 - [223]
 

I just had an idea. Russian speakers are more than welcome to disprove this, but 'Oruze' might just be a distortion of перво раз (pyervo raz), meaning 'First', as in the first time of doing something. Interestingly, according to Google, перво translates to 'primordial', so if we take the Polish version of Osobnik, then it's 'First Individual'.
(Or, with a slight jump of logic, 'Ancient One'. Rolling Eyes)

Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
Posted - 2010.08.03 15:23:00 - [224]
 

Pretty sure a while back one of the devs said Oruze is not a Russian word. Oruze means home/storage. In the case of sleepers storage of solar energy.

Myxx
Atropos Group
Posted - 2010.08.03 15:36:00 - [225]
 

Originally by: Stieren Tegundhei
I just had an idea. Russian speakers are more than welcome to disprove this, but 'Oruze' might just be a distortion of перво раз (pyervo raz), meaning 'First', as in the first time of doing something. Interestingly, according to Google, перво translates to 'primordial', so if we take the Polish version of Osobnik, then it's 'First Individual'.
(Or, with a slight jump of logic, 'Ancient One'. Rolling Eyes)


this makes sense to me, given i and others are thinking that the sleepers may very well of been part of the first jovian empire, or, are alternatively what is left of us.

keep in mind, we know almost nothing of the first jovian empire, and currently, the third empire is either waning, or is gone. more on that soon (tm)

Tleilaxu Axlotl
Posted - 2010.08.03 16:26:00 - [226]
 

1.) Oruze means sun... "SUN", Dropbear said it himself and quite honestly it was pretty easy to pick up on in the first place but nonetheless.

2.) Staticmapper If you are curious on the static wormholes and such, this is a pretty good place.

3.) Can we please try to keep this simple? Theories are great but to wonder how to run faster one must first understand how to walk. I saw one attempt at getting to basics but it seemed short lived. Look at the facts, ascertain what we know and don't know for a fact, have everyone in consensus on these facts. Once their is a consensus on the presented knowledge, then move on to the next piece of evidence, go over it with a fine tooth comb for facts and gather a consensus on what the most likely answer is and THEN move on to the next question. People are jumping around every which direction around here. Baby steps, people, baby steps.

4.) Dropbear! For the love of god, say something! I miss your sexy posts!

Jacob Holland
Gallente
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
Posted - 2010.08.03 18:19:00 - [227]
 

Quote:
The introduction begins like this:
'Space,' it says, 'is big. Really big. You just won't believe how vastly hugely mindbogglingly big it is. I mean you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist but that's just peanuts to space. Listen...'


The Milky Way is not a huge galaxy, assuming that the galaxy in which the cluster we know as known space resides does not differ vastly then 1000 light years is not a large distance.
It's certainly not large enough that the "unusual" loci could be dwarf or relic galaxies in their own right.
The numbers we're looking at are several orders of magnitude smaller than the galactic scale.

Auwnie Morohe
Posted - 2010.08.03 18:31:00 - [228]
 

Tleilaxu Axlotl : Nice name

Stop asking for help. The point, the purpose and the fun of the whole mystery is made meaningless with every SyllableVery Happy from CCP.

Originally by: Tleilaxu Axlotl
Oruze means sun... "SUN", Dropbear said it himself and quite honestly it was pretty easy to pick up on in the first place but nonetheless.


Is that really that he said?

The first thing that came to my mind when I asked myself what Oruze could mean is
Quote:

rouse
1   /raʊz/ Show Spelled [rouz] ,verb,roused, rous·ing, noun
–verb (used with object)
1.
to bring out of a state of sleep, unconsciousness, inactivity, fancied security, apathy, depression, etc.: He was roused to action by courageous words.
2.
to stir or incite to strong indignation or anger.
3.
to cause (game) to start from a covert or lair.
4.
Nautical. to pull by main strength; haul.



Makes sense, no?

Helena Ianikova
Posted - 2010.08.03 19:34:00 - [229]
 

Edited by: Helena Ianikova on 03/08/2010 19:36:55
Originally by: Auwnie Morohe
Tleilaxu Axlotl : Nice name

Stop asking for help. The point, the purpose and the fun of the whole mystery is made meaningless with every SyllableVery Happy from CCP.

Originally by: Tleilaxu Axlotl
Oruze means sun... "SUN", Dropbear said it himself and quite honestly it was pretty easy to pick up on in the first place but nonetheless.


Is that really that he said?

The first thing that came to my mind when I asked myself what Oruze could mean is
Quote:

rouse
1   /raʊz/ Show Spelled [rouz] ,verb,roused, rous·ing, noun
–verb (used with object)
1.
to bring out of a state of sleep, unconsciousness, inactivity, fancied security, apathy, depression, etc.: He was roused to action by courageous words.
2.
to stir or incite to strong indignation or anger.
3.
to cause (game) to start from a covert or lair.
4.
Nautical. to pull by main strength; haul.



Makes sense, no?


Or what about arouse?

1. To awaken from or as if from sleep.

EDIt: On second thought, I know I done made a mistake. Seriously, I am human. Embarassed

Sophia Brons
Posted - 2010.08.03 19:35:00 - [230]
 

Edited by: Sophia Brons on 03/08/2010 19:37:55
from ccp dropbear
Quote:
What's more directly supportable from in-game content suggests a simpler, more obvious answer, that Oruze means "Sun". Lots of analysis later, I think that the original point I've kept trying to make with "Oruze" is getting lost once again. The best way to figure this out is to look at what's out there in wormhole space - at things in EVE. A bit of induction, take notes of the interesting points, look for commonalities between places, items, and ideas, and then connect it into the most coherent picture you can. That's the process, and point of interactivity. Simple as that.


You all make it too complicated :p

Veryez
Posted - 2010.08.03 20:57:00 - [231]
 

Originally by: Helena Ianikova
Well, now that you bring it up, quarantines aren't always in reference to a disease.

What evidence points to a disease?


The Mirror -

“Medical Enclave: Directory
1.0 Emergency
2.0-2.8 Triage
2.9 Stasis
3.0 Quarantine Sector A
4.0 Quarantine Sector B
5.0-9.2 Quarantine Sector C
9.3 Quarantine Sector X”

Jowen Datloran
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
Posted - 2010.08.03 21:33:00 - [232]
 

Originally by: Sophia Brons

You all make it too complicated :p


Yes, yes they do.

Always with the Wikepedia links like that is going to do anything else than add confusion.

Work with what you got, not what you want to have.

Auwnie Morohe
Posted - 2010.08.03 21:59:00 - [233]
 

Lets add some confusion.

Emission_nebula

Syllable is funny because its Greek and it mentions nucleus and the city of Ur.

Eurus

Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari
Guiding Hand Social Club
Posted - 2010.08.03 22:01:00 - [234]
 

It might be complicated and confusing but it's also fun. These bizarre tangential discussions sometimes yield gold. Remember, we are trying not only to understand basic crap we figured out weeks ago like the meaning of oruze. We're trying to figure out the bigger picture. Was it the sleepers that collapsed the eve gate, etc.

Umega
Solis Mensa
Posted - 2010.08.04 03:35:00 - [235]
 

So I've recently become interested in Eve's Lore n History. Trying to devour as much information as I possibly can in the short span my interest has taken a rise. Forgive me if some of my understanding, theories, ideas, etc have holes and what not. I would like to add my mind to the fray of this research, rather all of it. But I figure here and now is a good place to start to help further this nice lil threadnaught full of goodie goodness..

Where to start..

I find Sleepers, wormholes, Jovian, SCT, SoE, Intaki, Sin, Angels, Yan Jung, Talocon and so on all very interesting. Wasn't aware of the richness in history beyond the four Empire Nations til Very recently.

Couple questions, if I may before preceeding on with this thread's intentions..

Is there any known reason for how the Jovian managed to rise up so quickly and go onward, relatively unscathed, after the EVE Gate 'collapse'? How did they manage, and every other settlement did not? How is it that settlements with 8000-AD tenchnology dive right back into stone ages, where did their ships and technology they brought go while one of them seemingly manage to either remain stable or excel (Jovian)?

What are people's speculations on who and why the SCT recruit whom they do into their schools?

What reason do the Jovian have for handing away capsuler tech.. seemingly right on que with when cloning technology beginning to peak, and when new, advanced boosters are beginning to show up across the galaxy via an unknown manufacturer? I find the coincidence, strange.

Have there been any recorded interactions, information, not speculation but fact concerning Jovian and Sleeper interactions.. as well as Jovian and Rogue Drones?

Is it normal to find a wormhole in highsec with a small, Stationary Amarr surveillance navy fleet 20km away from a wormhole for any known reason? Ran across such a thing today. First time I've encountered any empire fleet, sitting, litereally motionless.. next to a wormhole.

Any help to said questions appreciated. I have quite a bit more, but those currently press me most at the moment where I am having trouble finding information. I believe they are important to current events.

Haldane IV
Einstein's Dreams
Posted - 2010.08.04 07:03:00 - [236]
 

Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
It might be complicated and confusing but it's also fun. These bizarre tangential discussions sometimes yield gold. Remember, we are trying not only to understand basic crap we figured out weeks ago like the meaning of oruze. We're trying to figure out the bigger picture. Was it the sleepers that collapsed the eve gate, etc.


I just want to say I agree with this - on the one hand I am sceptical that the Devs would make things too complicated or expect people to wander to far away from what can be garnered in-game and from the chronicles and the EVE novelsin order to find the answers, but on the other hand who knows - a certain amount of extrapolation derived from in game information may indeed be the way to go.

What I do know, however, is that although I personally have only made a couple of posts (when I think I have something to add), I have followed all the threads and find the discussion entertaining, and also educational! For instance I now know what a Tippler Universal Simulator is and what Theosophy is all about.

" Was it the sleepers that collapsed the eve gate, etc."

That is something that currently resonates with me. The Empyrean Age says that contrary to Empire lore the Gate is "not at all what it seemed", and it seems to me the most likely explanation for that nugget is that it was artificially closed. An alternative possibility is that it is not a collapsed static wormhole (so it might lead somewhere other that Terra if it re-opens), but if that were the case it would take more development resources than I would think CCP would want to allocate, to produce the in-game consequence that would imply, i.e. a route to a whole new galaxy.

Terokone
Posted - 2010.08.04 08:48:00 - [237]
 

Originally by: Umega
Is it normal to find a wormhole in highsec with a small, Stationary Amarr surveillance navy fleet 20km away from a wormhole for any known reason? Ran across such a thing today. First time I've encountered any empire fleet, sitting, litereally motionless.. next to a wormhole.



I'm not sure if it's normal or not. I would think someone started an unsanctioned fight there, but CONCORD would've had something to say about that, not an empire fleet.
Come to think of it, I do remember seeing a Roden surveillance ships sitting outside a wormhole a few months back. I never thought anything of it at the time.

Originally by: Umega
Is there any known reason for how the Jovian managed to rise up so quickly and go onward, relatively unscathed, after the EVE Gate 'collapse'? How did they manage, and every other settlement did not? How is it that settlements with 8000-AD tenchnology dive right back into stone ages, where did their ships and technology they brought go while one of them seemingly manage to either remain stable or excel (Jovian)?


No known reason for the rapid Jovian recovery that I know of. I could hypothesize that the corporation(s) their race ran, or their governing body, supplied them better than the majority of other colonies spread across New Eden, but still maintain a sort of "independent" dependence in a colony, which would have allowed for a quicker recovery. After all, what better for megacorporation control over a fledgling colony than restricting supplies to make sure that their colonies stay dependent upon the home systems back in the Milky Way.

Minchurra
Caldari
Posted - 2010.08.04 09:15:00 - [238]
 

Originally by: Umega
Is it normal to find a wormhole in highsec with a small, Stationary Amarr surveillance navy fleet 20km away from a wormhole for any known reason? Ran across such a thing today. First time I've encountered any empire fleet, sitting, litereally motionless.. next to a wormhole..


How many is a fleet?

I've had faction police follow me to wormholes before because of my negative sec status, but no more than the usual spawn.

Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
Posted - 2010.08.04 10:08:00 - [239]
 

Edited by: Pottsey on 04/08/2010 10:09:03
Umega said "Is there any known reason for how the Jovian managed to rise up so quickly and go onward, relatively unscathed, after the EVE Gate 'collapse'? How did they manage, and every other settlement did not? How is it that settlements with 8000-AD tenchnology dive right back into stone ages, where did their ships and technology they brought go while one of them seemingly manage to either remain stable or excel (Jovian)?"

" every other settlement did not" is not really correct the Yan Jung also survived around as well as the Jove. I believe somewhere it was mentioned the Jove where further away from the Eve gate so the eve gate shock wave didn't hurt them as much. They were also better planets with more infrastructure so could replace lost equipment easier, could farm for food unlike other planets. But I cannot find this. In fact I cannot find where is said the Eve gate shut and a shock wave damaged surrounding systems. I am sure that was in the lore years back. All I can find are reference to all the planets in the Eve system being destroyed. I am sure it was an event similar to when wormholes opened. The Eve gate system planets where destroyed and as shockwave effected nearby systems. Anyone else remember this?

dane IV said " Was it the sleepers that collapsed the eve gate, etc."
The Eve gate collapsed naturally. It was always known it would collapse. The lore says it was a race against time and it wasn't the Wormhole that caused the problems.

There is one bit of lore and the story I bet many people forgot or are not aware off. From the first box manual.

"It’s 7700 AD and the human race has been colonizing their galaxy for 4000 years. It seems like the Golden Age of space faring is never going to end. Then a massive natural wormhole is discovered, leading to an unknown sector of the universe. This portal held endless possibilities of a new beginning for civilization, and was hence dubbed “EVE.” Lured by the promise of free settlements, entrepreneurs and independent organizations poured through the wormhole to stake their claims in this new land.
Scientists warned that the wormhole would close again within a few decades. Racing against time, construction began on a manmade

"Suddenly, the scientists’ worst fears were realized and the wormhole closed. Nonetheless, construction continued and the gates of EVE opened and operated perfectly for seven decades. Disaster struck once again. An unexplained phenomenon engulfed the Gates of EVE, rendering them inoperable. Restoration efforts proved futile due to the malevolent magnetic storm perpetually surrounding the gates. The results were swift and devastating. The fledgling settlements found themselves cut off from the old world, on which they were still heavily dependent.

Lack of oxygen, water and food had a catastrophic effect on the colonies and only the strongest managed to survive and reproduce. Scientific knowledge and high-tech industry dwindled with each generation. Tools and materials once taken for granted diminished and disappeared. Of the surviving colonies, several small, independent factions and states were formed. For thousands of years, these scattered groups lived and grew in isolation from each other. Environmental differences led to evolutionary changes, making each group distinct in appearance and behavior. Ultimately, five of these colonies emerged to become the major empires that hold the balance of power in the world of EVE today."


In short the wormhole shutting was expected. 70years later was when the gates stopped working. Another nice bit of lore
"Extremely bright and powerful electromagnetic turbulence emits from the EVE gate, as it is commonly called. This turbulence seems to originate from within the gate, so it is believed that the gate is actually open and the electromagnetic storms are coming through from wherever the gate is linked to."

Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
Posted - 2010.08.04 10:18:00 - [240]
 

Edited by: Pottsey on 04/08/2010 10:18:22
Some interesting facts. When we got the new Eve site we lost of lot of the old lore which never got copied over. Stuff like we are in the Milky Way. This is from the old website.

"The next big step was the advancement of Warp technology into Jump drives. The first version only allowed very short jumps within the same solar system, but later versions allowed ships to jump between systems without the aid of a Jump gate. This sped up expansion considerably, and by the 28th century, humans had established settlements in hundreds of systems, dozens of which were fully fledged colonies. By then, however, the expansion process was becoming increasingly difficult due to bureaucracy. Almost every solar system within jump range had already been bought or leased long before actual colonization began, and many of those wishing to settle in a new world had to wait years to fulfil their dreams.

Things took an unexpected turn for the better, however, with the discovery of a natural wormhole near the system of Canopus. Although their existence had long been the subject of speculation, this was the first natural occurrence of the phenomenon ever seen. Probes sent into the wormhole showed not only that it was stable, but led to a solar system almost at the other end of the Milky Way

A decision was made to build Jump gates at each end of the wormhole, as only specially reinforced ships were able to use the wormhole itself. Furthermore, scientists predicted that it would close in a few decades, so men and equipment were ferried to the other side, setting up bases in the new system it created, which was soon christened New Eden.

Because of the distance between them, the two Jump gates at each end of the wormhole had to be massive. The largest single structures ever built by man, they took over 200 years to construct, despite the great wealth of the human race at this time. The gates were called EVE. As it had been decreed that the new world would be free for everyone to settle on a first-come, first-served basis, this meant hundreds of independent organizations began exploring and settling it as soon as it opened
The wormhole had closed while EVE was still under construction. At first, this did not appear to affect EVE at all, and continued to work as planned for the next 70 years. But then disaster struck. An unexplained phenomenon engulfed EVE, creating a severe magno-gravity disturbance which made it inoperable and reduced the prosperous New Eden system to rubble. Although EVE still exists, any ship foolish enough to go near it is destroyed by the malevolent gravity storms.

The effects of EVE's closure were sudden and dramatic. All the bases and settlements in the world of EVE, which had largely been dependent on the industrial infrastructure of the New Eden system or even that of the old world, now found themselves cut off and isolated by the catastrophe. As most of the colonies had only been settled a few years or decades previously, very few of them were self-sufficient. One by one they died out, killed off by a lack of oxygen, water and food. The few who survived slowly lost their knowledge and hi-tech industries, because they lacked the tools to replenish and maintain them."


Although alter versions of the website changed it to" Things took an unexpected turn for the better, however, with the discovery of a natural wormhole near the system of Canopus. Although their existence had long been the subject of speculation, this was the first natural occurrence of the phenomenon ever seen. Probes sent into the wormhole showed it was stable and it led to a solar system in an unknown galaxy. This could be a far-flung region of our own Milky Way galaxy, or a galaxy at the other side of the universe, or even another dimension or parallel universe."


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