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Sariton Xavian
Posted - 2010.07.29 14:02:00 - [121]
 

The angle that the SoCT are the Enheduanni gels with me. Exactly which becomes the other and how completely they are the same thing is open to significant interpretation, but the overlap is strong.


Is there any evidence that conflicts with the idea that the Talocan were the first Jove empire, and the Sleepers the second? I have a bit of a hang up with assigning 2 of the 4 ancient races to just being different points of Jove history, but reducing the complexity of history in this way is an inviting temptress.

For the Oruze Construct and its similarity to a Sun, symbols, navigation, the Apotheosis... a couple of cool thoughts triggered for me -

1. Are there any "normal" suns in W-space? Assuming not, what significance could we assign to this fact... There has already been ideas floated that the solar work of the W-space residents either created the anomalies from scratch, or caused normal suns to become unusual. Other possibilities might include, is it because they could only draw energy from abnormal suns, the plague thrives most around normal suns, the hibernation/whatever they are doing only works around abnormal suns. If only there were a way for us to expose W-space (or at least, the installations we find there, especially the Oruze ones) to a normal sun.

2. With the J locus sigs. I wonder if it would be possible to triangulate all of those "times" to a single point in space? If there was a way to calculate a single point which is the same distance from each w-space system as a distance represented by some travel scaling of its locus signature, that would have to be a pretty important place.

Auwnie Morohe
Posted - 2010.07.29 14:37:00 - [122]
 

Nice analogy Nikilaiki, the thing is you are not reading the story. Dropbear said that it is a new form of story telling. The words are the ruins of an ancient civilization. The act of reading is going into W-space and visit the sites. Every discovery is a new sentence. Exploration for "real".

No it is not going to explain everything about the history of EVE or even close to it. But it is going to shed some light on who the Sleepers were and maybe the Talocan.

I dont agree with Jowen either that there is nothing outside of the game that will help. On the contrary I think there are a lot of clues in the chronicles. And a lot of other stories waiting to be explored.

But the story of the Sleepers is (in) Anoikis.

See you under the blood stained stars.Cool

Nikilaiki Ruutarhara
Caldari
Project Daedalid
Posted - 2010.07.29 14:57:00 - [123]
 

Edited by: Nikilaiki Ruutarhara on 30/07/2010 10:32:00

Julianus Soter
Gallente
Moira.
Posted - 2010.07.29 15:05:00 - [124]
 

Edited by: Julianus Soter on 29/07/2010 15:07:11
My character can only understand what he can know. I/He can only publish information and reports on the forums or other areas based on what my character understands.

We can only effect change in the universe via our characters, based on what they understand.

Therefore, the only meaningful discussion we can have is of things our characters can see.

Synenose was formed to do that, to see as much as possible compile information, analyze, report, discuss the implications.

We ran out of things to see. Then there's the little pop-ups that happened. People understand what "Oruze" means because of something Dropbear said. Our characters can, possibly, draw the inference from the Oruze's affiliation with solar energy. Maybe.

The Synenose Accord's purpose as a corporation is finished, the vision of the organization, crushed. There is no purpose to grasping at straws for months on end. Accumulating isk endlessly through w-space grows very dull, as well. There are very few with the vision or will capable of continuing Synenose's organizational existence without the underlying purpose. It becomes corporation 10294, that runs missions in highsec.

This thread's very existence points out how SYNE is dead, and any other in-character attempts to do the same as well. The fact we need CCP-randomname- to give us hints, trickle of OOC information from chronicles and novels, all of it.

So, go ahead and have your fun kids. I'll be waiting until something actually usable happens.

As a certain Bones would say, "Its dead, Jim".

Richtor Mettle
Cryptic Solutions
Posted - 2010.07.29 15:23:00 - [125]
 

Edited by: Richtor Mettle on 29/07/2010 15:23:36
Originally by: Julianus Soter
Edited by: Julianus Soter on 29/07/2010 15:07:11
My character can only understand what he can know. I/He can only publish information and reports on the forums or other areas based on what my character understands.

We can only effect change in the universe via our characters, based on what they understand.


This is kind of my issue with how this is going. Dropbear is basically a Game Master running his game, but instead of feeding information to the player characters, he is feeding it to the players. Anyone that wants to keep roleplaying this, is now unable as we would have to merge player knowledge with character knowledge. That breaks immersion terribly.

Originally by: Julianus Soter
Therefore, the only meaningful discussion we can have is of things our characters can see.


Not totally true, but it makes it difficult as hell to RP what is happening.

Originally by: Julianus Soter
This thread's very existence points out how SYNE is dead, and any other in-character attempts to do the same as well. The fact we need CCP-randomname- to give us hints, trickle of OOC information from chronicles and novels, all of it.

So, go ahead and have your fun kids. I'll be waiting until something actually usable happens.

As a certain Bones would say, "Its dead, Jim".


It's typical for GM's to give hints and information...the problem is that some of those hints are in chronicle's that our characters would have no way of knowing about. I understand what Dropbear is doing, I've done similar stuff when running old Rifts/D&D/Cyberpunk games and I had a mystery to solve and the players weren't "getting it". However; one has to understand that by giving out those hints you can cause things to go more tangential than what you want, and sometimes you have to be blunt to get things to progress. If you don't the player become upset and discouraged at the mystery and go off to do something 'more fun' than try to figure it out.

I think we are approaching that point now, if we haven't reached it already.

Dropbear I have a question for you: How do I put this...Would our ability to figure this part of the puzzle actually cause anything in-game to occur? Meaning: is there some event in game that is waiting for certain things to happen from the playerbase before it can occur, or is this just fluff leading to an event that still has to be built?

Nikilaiki Ruutarhara
Caldari
Project Daedalid
Posted - 2010.07.29 15:38:00 - [126]
 

Edited by: Nikilaiki Ruutarhara on 30/07/2010 10:32:28

Katrina Bekers
Gallente
Fighters Squadron
Posted - 2010.07.29 15:38:00 - [127]
 

Originally by: Nikilaiki Ruutarhara
So, CCP Dropbear, do you want to play a game?

Love to. How about a game of Global Thermonuclear War, Joshua?

Wyke Mossari
Gallente
Posted - 2010.07.29 15:56:00 - [128]
 

Originally by: Julianus Soter

My character can only understand what he can know. I/He can only publish information and reports on the forums or other areas based on what my character understands.


The Science and technology of New Eden is well beyond anything current, so it is absolutely reasonable to assume, without breaking immersion that our character can know anything we know, can induce or research about current science and/or technology.

Julianus Soter
Gallente
Moira.
Posted - 2010.07.29 16:05:00 - [129]
 

My character has an engineering background. he understands contemporary EVE technology, as most of our characters can. we can do personal research via PF information to RP about said tech.

However, that has no impact on this discussion.

Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari
Guiding Hand Social Club
Posted - 2010.07.29 16:20:00 - [130]
 

Niki, be more patient. Hissing at Dropbear because we don't have the whole picture -yet- is not productive :P

Nikilaiki Ruutarhara
Caldari
Project Daedalid
Posted - 2010.07.29 16:28:00 - [131]
 

Edited by: Nikilaiki Ruutarhara on 30/07/2010 10:32:39

Julianus Soter
Gallente
Moira.
Posted - 2010.07.29 16:39:00 - [132]
 

Perhaps the better question we should ask ourselves is, why would our characters still have any semblance of sanity following the events of the past two years?

DmD666
Interwebs Cooter Explosion
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2010.07.29 20:48:00 - [133]
 

Originally by: Nikilaiki Ruutarhara
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Niki, be more patient. Hissing at Dropbear because we don't have the whole picture -yet- is not productive :P

Yes, but deleting my characters and ending my subscription because the game has become ridiculously boring and pointless is.

As I said, have fun everyone!


Can I have your stuff?

Phyridean
LEGION OF PROFESSOR CHAOS
Darkmatter Initiative
Posted - 2010.07.29 22:21:00 - [134]
 

So delonetiger pointed out that the construct looks like the symbols for 'man' and 'god' joined together, and later on, Richtor Mettle mentioned that 'Oruze' could be a linguistically-corrupted form of 'Auras' (or their singular form). And all this apparently has to do with the Jove, who made us all capsuleers.

What does this have to do with my pod, exactly? Laughing

Julianus Soter
Gallente
Moira.
Posted - 2010.07.29 22:29:00 - [135]
 

Nothing. you may go about your business.

:P

Phyridean
LEGION OF PROFESSOR CHAOS
Darkmatter Initiative
Posted - 2010.07.29 22:35:00 - [136]
 

Originally by: Julianus Soter
Nothing. you may go about your business.

:P


So glad to hear that.

/me gets back into the ol' wet grave and goes about his business.

Otocinclus
Minmatar
Project Nemesis
Moar Tears
Posted - 2010.07.29 23:49:00 - [137]
 

Edited by: Otocinclus on 29/07/2010 23:59:07
Edited by: Otocinclus on 29/07/2010 23:58:49
Quote:
For example, the strongest theories about the meaning of Oruze are based on what is directly observable in wormhole space. The Oruze Enclave at the Mirror: Solar engineering, thermovoltaics and photoelectrics. The Oruze Construct, which somebody needs to take a good screenshot of, preferably from directly above.


Well the Oruze(sun) Construct does look like a simplified picture of a sun, which makes sense, given it's name; "Sun Construct". If these were used to gather solar energy, it would make sense that the energy would be stored in the Osobynyks, then used to power the Enclaves.

Henri Rearden
Gallente
VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD
Black Star Alliance
Posted - 2010.07.30 00:53:00 - [138]
 

Edited by: Henri Rearden on 30/07/2010 01:12:00

I thought I'd add a little bit to this fascinating discussion. I love this new storytelling, never seen anything like it! Very Happy

Anyway, I've been trying to work out a place to start, so to speak.

Per CCP Dropbear,
Oruze = Sun
Osobynak = home or “more functionally, storage”

The Talocan were working on “solar engineering, photoelectrics, and thermovoltaics” – presumably they were using the sun for a source of power and storing it, so "Oruze Osobynak" or Sun Storage makes sense.

Anoikis is the word the Jovians use, per the Anoikis Chronicle, for the stellar cluster in which W-space exists.
In the Anoikis Chronicle, “The capsuleers. They will settle. They will understand the network eventually, and they will command it.” It is presumed that “the network” refers to the system of wormholes that link W-space systems and W-space to K-space. “They will command it” implies that, with understanding, control of wormholes will come. This implies that wormholes were already controlled by another race/group. The Talocan?

If it is true that the Talocan were working on “solar engineering” and it is also true that they were the race/group who previously “commanded” the “network” of wormholes, then it stands to reason that these two things may be related. Perhaps the energy stored from the suns in Oruze Osobynak is used to power the generation of wormholes.

In other sites: "You have entered a quarantine area. This region is infected. Leave now. Violation of the quarantine will result in -"

"-missiles are armed, ready to -"
About this, CCP Jasonitas said: Who said that's Sleeper stuff? Looks like Talocan structures to me.

So... Quarantine areas are established to keep ships clear of infected regions.
Sleepers exist to enforce the quarantine – the quarantine is therefore serious enough to justify lethal force.
The buildings the Sleepers are guarding belong to the Talocan

The quarantine areas cannot exist to protect people from the Jovian Disease as we know it, because that is a genetic disorder brought on by excessive manipulation of genes. It is therefore either a type of virulent disease tranmittable to humans, or some type of computer virus/malevolent virtual entity(ies).

I'd like to pose a question: Why are there local physical phenomena in W-space systems which effect ships? What is it that causes a breakdown of the normal laws of physics? Either they were selected for colonization by the Talocan because local physics were different (and maybe somehow facilitated the type of research they were doing) or whatever the Talocan did caused the instability.

The Chronicles refer to a weapon. What if you gained the ability to cause any star-system to have changes in the laws of physics on a local level? That sounds like a hell of a weapon to me. The SOCT would just love to get their hands on that.

Has anybody read Stephen Baxter's Ring? In that story, the stars themselves were infected by entities comprised of dark matter, and essentially being killed. The Xeelee, a godlike race race not unlike the Jovians but far more powerful, decided that they couldn't save the universe and created a huge construct millions of light-years across which resulted in a naked singularity... or as it was put in the book, "the place where universes kiss." Perhaps these suns are "sick" and the Talocan were trying to research how to fix them...?


Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente
Sigma Special Tactics Group
Posted - 2010.07.30 01:38:00 - [139]
 

I really hope that people are not postulating and brainstorming and expecting Dropbear to come back with "That's IT!!! You Win EVE!!"

And then CCP sends you a badge of leetness that you can take to all the gaming conventions where nerdy yet-also-strangely-hot chicks worship the ground you walk on.

It's not going to be that way, and if it did, that would be like reading a book. If I wanted to read science fictions books, well, I would.

The investigation, the theories, and the mystery IS the fun. What are we looking for, a medal? Fame? Fortune? A faction shuttle? I think as a percentage of the player base, maybe at best 2 percent actually care about the back story and solving this mystery. The rest of Eve will go on, mining, ganking, producing, running missions, and PVPing. They are not going to care if some ship or module they are using exists because "Wolfhammer the Leet explorer got some purple dialog that led to discover of the Module of Frigate Death in some wormhole and Dropbear said 'hey, you solved the puzzle'".

Or perhaps the Air Force will send a general to take us aboard a real starship and lo and behold, the mystery of Eve is in fact real! Perhaps all of this is real like in Enders Game and Dropbear is some sneaky colonel manipulating us all? That bastard!!!


Let's all just have some fun with what is a great story, and one that we are a part of. Seriously, there is an open door to interactive science fiction here and it may someday be said that this game was one of the first places it was tried. The day may come when it's not enough to just read a book, but to be in the book? How many times have you wanted to be in the story line of a book you really liked?



Julianus Soter
Gallente
Moira.
Posted - 2010.07.30 01:45:00 - [140]
 

The problem is, most of this takes a major capital investment in the form of dedicated thinking/debate/time, and exploration/w-space risk/exploding ships.

We don't expect something to fall out of the heavens into our items hangars, but we want some kind of gratifying return on our labor.

The Synenose Accord made its players very wealthy in the first few months because we played the game, made T3 stuff, sold it, RP'ed, had an academic conference, made the front page of the game news.

However, nothing actually came of it. We got burned out. The old core of people broke up, and reforming a similar core is very unlikely given how impossible it is to get any sort of return on initial investment.

Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente
Sigma Special Tactics Group
Posted - 2010.07.30 02:07:00 - [141]
 

Originally by: Julianus Soter
The problem is, most of this takes a major capital investment in the form of dedicated thinking/debate/time, and exploration/w-space risk/exploding ships.

We don't expect something to fall out of the heavens into our items hangars, but we want some kind of gratifying return on our labor.

The Synenose Accord made its players very wealthy in the first few months because we played the game, made T3 stuff, sold it, RP'ed, had an academic conference, made the front page of the game news.

However, nothing actually came of it. We got burned out. The old core of people broke up, and reforming a similar core is very unlikely given how impossible it is to get any sort of return on initial investment.


You are halfway to my point. :)

What game do we know of where you get the prize just by putting in the time? Need I mention it?


That such a great effort was put in, and it did not yield concluding results, is what makes this so great. We don't have a right to success in this sandbox, but we can try all we want... or get burned out.


Nobody taking on any endeavor is automatically entitled to a result where something is gained.

The efforts of Synenose Accord enriched the experience. I enjoyed that return on the investment, and I am certain more people have as well. I don't think this game is geared towards giving returns.

For what was expected anyway? To all of the people who put in all that time in the beginning, what was at the "finish line" for them? Did anybody have a real tangible vision to start with? When an organization lacks goals, it won't last the endeavor.

And I need to add that when you put in 200 percent effort into something, the expectation of return will always fall short, even at a 90 percent success rate. You describe some success. You guy "won" worm hole space and profited. Overdriven effort will always fail because of the raised expectation and the perception of the success falling short of it.

Perseverance, over time, will always succeed, every time.


Otocinclus
Minmatar
Project Nemesis
Moar Tears
Posted - 2010.07.30 03:53:00 - [142]
 

Quote:
I'd like to pose a question: Why are there local physical phenomena in W-space systems which effect ships? What is it that causes a breakdown of the normal laws of physics? Either they were selected for colonization by the Talocan because local physics were different (and maybe somehow facilitated the type of research they were doing) or whatever the Talocan did caused the instability.



I wouldn't overthink it that much, I'd say that the natural phenomena are just that, natural. They're most likely just causing some gravitational or electrical interference that can negatively or positively affect ship systems. In addition, not all of the systems in W-space have phenomena.

Otocinclus
Minmatar
Project Nemesis
Moar Tears
Posted - 2010.07.30 04:02:00 - [143]
 

Typing in vegemite brown in an attempt to summon Dropbear once more.

Evelgrivion
Gunpoint Diplomacy
Posted - 2010.07.30 05:44:00 - [144]
 

We're starting to get into "**** you, Strake" territory with all of this; you might want to consider the way we're reacting to your Dungeon Mastering of this quest, Dropbear. Wink

Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
Posted - 2010.07.30 08:56:00 - [145]
 

Henri Rearden said "-missiles are armed, ready to -"
About this, CCP Jasonitas said: Who said that's Sleeper stuff? Looks like Talocan structures to me."

Both the Sleepers and Talocan are looking more and more the same. You have a building labelled as Talocan then an identical building labelled as Sleeper. You have Sleeper hulls and Sleeper loot inside Talocan ships and buildings. You have Sleeper drones guarding Talocan buildings.

There must be a difference between Talocan and Sleeper. My believe is both are the same race from different time points.

Helena Ianikova
Posted - 2010.07.30 10:38:00 - [146]
 

Edited by: Helena Ianikova on 30/07/2010 10:39:33
Quote:
For her, it would be where she left something. She would burn, glow like Seyllin, and in that dim luminescence that her sacrifice shed, others would see the hidden paths to tread.

Hi, I had a question. Why is there a "Terran Artifacts" box in the overview settings? Does this do anything? Is it related to Sleeper sites?

Aynen
Posted - 2010.07.30 11:15:00 - [147]
 

If the Oruze construct resembles a sun, it could symbolize two things, it's either there to store solar energy, or it is there to generate it. Personally given the appearance of a sun, the second option seems more obvious. We keep asuming that they gather power from unstable stars that we see all around sleeper systems. But even those don't last forever. If you're not going to be around to keep your species going, would you settle for a few billion years as the suns you base your civilization around slowly die, or would you want something more permanent?
I also wonder, can you actually warp towards the suns themselves? It wouldn't surprise me if we found they where harvesting something else from them, and thus made them unstable.

Helena Ianikova
Posted - 2010.07.30 11:25:00 - [148]
 

Originally by: Aynen
If the Oruze construct resembles a sun, it could symbolize two things, it's either there to store solar energy, or it is there to generate it. Personally given the appearance of a sun, the second option seems more obvious. We keep asuming that they gather power from unstable stars that we see all around sleeper systems. But even those don't last forever. If you're not going to be around to keep your species going, would you settle for a few billion years as the suns you base your civilization around slowly die, or would you want something more permanent?
I also wonder, can you actually warp towards the suns themselves? It wouldn't surprise me if we found they where harvesting something else from them, and thus made them unstable.

Could they be storing fuel? I thought I read somewhere that the Talocan structures had something similar to acceleration gates. I also see in the overview "ancient compressed ice". It kind of reminds me of jump drives requiring fuel for the cyno fields.

Also, is there a Astronautics Engineering skill in EVE? I see it on the skill list but it's not on the market. The first thing I thought of when I read about the Talocan structures was multi-stage rockets. If the Talocan were nomads, they wouldn't be taking all their fuel with them; it would slow them down. You'd take as little as you could, and rely on the environment to provide what you'd need.

Sonkut
Minmatar
The Motley Few
Posted - 2010.07.30 13:23:00 - [149]
 

Now I’ve written this, I’m sorry about this Mamoth message but it’s full of information and even if I’m wrong about my conclusion the points are valid.

I don’t think the SOCT are old enough to be sleepers, mainly from this phrase:
“An abundance of repair seams in this Sleeper drone’s armor tell the story of millennia spent on duty” In addition to things said by Dropbear.

I think we need to analyse the meaning of everything we can find and decide if it’s relevant or not. Thanks to Jowen I have access to a lot of info and I’m going to try to make some meaning out of everything to help us towards some all-round definition, or to pick out what doesn’t fit and try to find meaning.

I’m going to pick and choose what I think is relevant for the moment but this does leave the ability to miss something.

Frontier Trinary Hub
What interests me is in the names, good old Google define:
Frontier: •A frontier is a political and geographical term referring to areas near or beyond a boundary
Trinary: Trinary is the base- numeral system. Analogous to a bit, a ternary digit is a trit (trinary digit)
Hub: in IT Hubs are known as broadcast devices, they don’t send data to one specific point but to all points connected. If it were wireless it would broadcast in all directions.

Point of interest: the building - Talocan Polestar
Talocan “Polestar”: Polaris, the pole star; A guiding principle - •A pole star is a visible star, especially a prominent one, that is approximately aligned with the Earth's axis of rotation; that is, a star whose apparent position is close to one of the celestial poles, and which lies approximately directly overhead when viewed from the Earth's North Pole

Complex name: Unsecured Frontier Enclave Relay (class 5)
Enclave: •an enclosed territory that is culturally distinct from the foreign territory that surrounds it
Relay: an act of passing, this can mean many things, forwarding data, or even relieving/replacing a tiered co-worker.

Complex name: Unsecured Frontier Digital Nexus (class 4)
Nexus: the means of connection between things linked in series
•a connected series or group
Site contains Obsolete Sleeper Databanks. The fact that they are obsolete suggests they were there long enough to advance technologically enough to make current devices obsolete.

Complex name: Unsecured Core Emergence (class 6)
Core: central, important, something everything else is reliant on? < Not from Google but from me.
Emergence: •In philosophy, systems theory, science, and art, emergence is the way complex systems and patterns arise out of a multiplicity of relatively simple interactions
Spavined: •Having spavin (said of a horse); Old, worn out, obsolete (said figuratively of a person)
Why is this wording here? Why not just say obsolete like in other places?

Complex name: Forgotten Perimeter Coronation Platform (class 1)
Coronation: •the ceremony of installing a new monarch
How does this belong?

Complex name: Forgotten Frontier Evacuation Center (class 4)
The vast majority of structures here are: Multiplex Forwarders
Multiplexing allows the sending and receiving of data at the same time over different channels
For an evacuation centre, isn’t it strange they don’t have massive numbers of space ports? This furthers the idea that sleepers are entirely a uploaded society, they no longer find any need in bodies.

Complex name: Forgotten Core Assembly Hall (class 6)
This structures name suggests that cores are the leaders of their society, the assembly hall being a place like a government building. We have seen the core emergence centres, maybe they are the main emergent controlling AI behind the civilisation. Also how could you kill a leader if he could just be transmitted to another structure?

.... more to come

Sonkut
Minmatar
The Motley Few
Posted - 2010.07.30 13:28:00 - [150]
 

Complex name: Unsecured Perimeter Transponder Farm (class 2)
Transponder: •electrical device designed to receive a specific signal and automatically transmit a specific reply

Of note: 2 Black Monolith
What are the significance of these? It has been mentioned they are just a nod to 2001 space odyssey but are they really? I think CCP may have some hidden motive in putting these here specifically. In relation to the transponder farm, I seem to remember in 2001 the black monoliths were designed to give out a specific message to civilisations that had advanced to a specific level or something strange like that(it was a very long time ago and the film didn’t interest me that much).

Has anyone tried hacking one?

More stuff:
Talocan Outpost Core
Don’t suppose this could be the Talocan / sleeper connection, the Talocan also used the Sleeper core Emergent AI to control their Civilisation? It’s a rubbish assumption, I seem to remember Dropbear said they didn’t exist at the same time but can’t find a quote.

The Talocan are a migrant race, their bases are made to be deployed and retrievable in nature largely and we find stripped ships and abandoned bases and modules. Could it be either the Talocan created the sleepers and are now part of them, or could it be they were victims of the sleepers. The Talocan don’t seem to be wasteful in nature from the description of their buildings so I wonder why they would just leave hulls in space. Could they have been fleeing? There is certainly enough twisted metal and broken machinery around to suggest battle.

Look back at the sleeper items for a min and lets change some perspective on them. I’m considering now the idea that there were Core Emergent in the sleeper race, Full blown AI that run the show. Also we know there are being in there because of the cryo-stasis so we have other beings than the AI. What if we start assuming some of the devices are also made for control?

Cartesian Temporal Coordinator
“For some unknown reason, this particular coordinator is configured to synchronize its processing speed in time with the distance travelled between two points. What purpose this serves remains a mystery.” OK, so this is on a drone, so if the drones are controlled by people, how do you stop people from running away and assure loyalty? The Ammarians do it with Vitoc(http://www.eveonline.com/background/potw/default.asp?cid=feb04) , if you run away you have no antidote and die.

So what if instead you just control the ability of their mind to work, the processor does all the thinking and this device and control how fast the processor works dependent on distance travelled. So if it tried to run, the drone would simply stop thinking, you go out, collect and return it to duty again. Think of it like ensuring your slave would fall into a coma if he ran more than a mile away from the work camp. You don’t have to destroy him, just bring him back.

So if they wanted to escape, they have guns, just kill each other right? Not gona happen:
Emergent Combat Intelligence
“Despite this, various hard limitations have been encoded into the device at the most fundamental level, greatly limiting its potential to evolve any further.” Or maybe limited to not be able to shoot it’s own team?

Neurovisual Input Matrix
“Used in conjunction with other equipment inside the capsule, neurovisual input matrices serve the vital function of translating external stimuli into visual data.” So instead of transferring visual signals it transferred the data in a similar fashion to a stored intellect inside the machine somewhere to a format it preferred in life?


only 1 more post I swear.....


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