open All Channels
seplocked EVE Fiction
blankseplocked Possibly new hidden sleeper info found at sites.
 
This thread is older than 90 days and has been locked due to inactivity.


 
Pages: first : previous : 1 2 3 [4] 5 6 7 8 9 ... : last (30)

Author Topic

Jowen Datloran
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
Posted - 2010.07.28 23:47:00 - [91]
 

At least it is nice to know that I do not have to browse Wikepedia and Biomedical Central all day to solve this one. I had already caught sent of this sun importance. After all, what kind of celestial objects create and manipulate wormholes?

And I bet it is no coincidence that the Zephyr is driven by the power of the sun either.

Julianus Soter
Gallente
Moira.
Posted - 2010.07.29 00:09:00 - [92]
 

Wheels within wheels.

Eventually, people start considering what the worth in investigating it all is.

I've been involved in researching Sleepers since March 10, 2009. After the First (and only) Seyllin Conference, we've made essentially a few linguistic advancements in our understanding of them.

Year and a half for any movement in understanding regarding something the Empires apparently know all about, already, as stated in Anoikis.

We've conducted debates, meetings, circular one on one discussions with anybody with two braincells to rub together. Nobody has a clue. the people that have made billions of isk from w-space don't know either.

It's a traveling salesman problem with about 1000 datapoints, and we're trying to solve it with a pencil and eraser.

People don't have the energy for it. There's other things to be doing with our time then playing rhetorical games and fighting the Law of 23.

Terokone
Posted - 2010.07.29 02:20:00 - [93]
 

Originally by: CCP Dropbear
Oruze Construct

What's it look like? What's one of the recurring theories about the meaning of Oruze? It's a simple thing, nothing too complex or cryptic as some theories (which are still awesome to read) suggest.



Hmm, what does the Oruze Construct look like from above...
Some are already listed, I know, but I'll post what I see in the construct:
- Eye
- Lunar/Solar Eclipse
- Sundial
- Sun rise/sun set over a world
- Half of an Analog Clock Face with both "hands" pointing at midnight (I'd say 6:30, but the hour hand would be off slightly. The 3 and 9 positions are right, but the 10/11 and 1/2 are merged into two positions instead of four, which makes this idea iffy)

I think it's important to know that the two structures with Oruze in the name appear to have been redesigned. My C5 doesn't have any Oruze Osobnyk currently spawned, so I can't get an above view of that one at the moment.

Originally by: Pottsey
I really need to a find a good wormhole corp. Its killing me not being able to continue research ideas.

I'd say you could join my little corp currently calling a C5 home, but I'm sort of considering looking for a wh/story corp myself. This story research is addictive.

Evelgrivion
Gunpoint Diplomacy
Posted - 2010.07.29 02:54:00 - [94]
 

Originally by: CCP Dropbear
Oruze Construct

What's it look like? What's one of the recurring theories about the meaning of Oruze? It's a simple thing, nothing too complex or cryptic as some theories (which are still awesome to read) suggest.

What's more directly supportable from in-game content suggests a simpler, more obvious answer, that Oruze means "Sun". Lots of analysis later, I think that the original point I've kept trying to make with "Oruze" is getting lost once again. The best way to figure this out is to look at what's out there in wormhole space - at things in EVE. A bit of induction, take notes of the interesting points, look for commonalities between places, items, and ideas, and then connect it into the most coherent picture you can. That's the process, and point of interactivity. Simple as that.

So, sorry Niki, I don't want to say "yes" and "no" to explicit ideas, suggestions, theories, etc. At this point in time it's about all of you guys working together, developing theories, and developing consensus about them. Hopefully at that point, there'll be opportunities for more meaningful vindications of those theories than forum posts. Get me? Smile

Wish you didn't delete your stuff too. You may not always get it right, but your theories are always fascinating in their depth of imagination. Anyways, back to lurking in the shadows.


Looks like an Iron Halo to me. Wink

Other than that, SOCT ships, especially the Apotheosis, echo the shape of the Oruze complex.

Sariton Xavian
Posted - 2010.07.29 03:07:00 - [95]
 

The other day I had a dream which lead me to wondering if Oruze could be a corruption/modification of "Ruse". Basically, that the word means of or relating to a ruse/deception. The etymology of ruse is French to Middle English.

This could make for an interesting tie in with the sun and navigational references, not to mention the Mirror (misdirection).

Though more likely this is just another useless stab in the dark and completely misses the point we're supposed to be getting.

Nikilaiki Ruutarhara
Caldari
Project Daedalid
Posted - 2010.07.29 03:40:00 - [96]
 

Edited by: Nikilaiki Ruutarhara on 30/07/2010 10:29:52

Nikilaiki Ruutarhara
Caldari
Project Daedalid
Posted - 2010.07.29 06:31:00 - [97]
 

Edited by: Nikilaiki Ruutarhara on 30/07/2010 10:30:03

KirikaPhoenix
Phrixus Mot
Posted - 2010.07.29 07:08:00 - [98]
 

Originally by: CCP Dropbear
Oruze Construct

What's it look like? What's one of the recurring theories about the meaning of Oruze? It's a simple thing, nothing too complex or cryptic as some theories (which are still awesome to read) suggest.



That's a solar eclipse. As per The Empyrean Age:

"Find the blue ring of fire, for it contains one key of revelation"

That was used as a marker to find a rogue drone hive that was harvesting Isogen-5

Nikilaiki Ruutarhara
Caldari
Project Daedalid
Posted - 2010.07.29 07:12:00 - [99]
 

Edited by: Nikilaiki Ruutarhara on 30/07/2010 10:30:23

Nikilaiki Ruutarhara
Caldari
Project Daedalid
Posted - 2010.07.29 08:17:00 - [100]
 

Edited by: Nikilaiki Ruutarhara on 30/07/2010 10:30:37

Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
Posted - 2010.07.29 08:55:00 - [101]
 

Nikilaiki Ruutarhara said "I'm also sorry, but I don't believe that there will be anything happening in-game beyond "oh look new pop ups", and even then, It's not worth the months of brainstorming to find out my original hypothesis is correct."
That's one bit I partly agree with. Unless there is hidden information or something very clear we are all missing then we will not form a single theory. I have to admit I am enjoying "At this point in time it's about all of you guys working together, developing theories, and developing consensus about them. "

But I do not believe we will get past the 3rd point based on current data. The data we need is hidden in so much static and noise like Nikilaiki said that I do not see us players forming a single theory or developing a consensus.

The problem is we have no way to know which theory is correct and not enough information to prove or disprove many of the theory's. Until we get more information we players will all back different theory's or players like me and others will post wildly different theory's and have no idea which is the correct one. Right now there is no way for us players will gain consensus about one single theory. The biggest problem is not knowing which ideas are right and which are wrong.

On the whole I am enjoying this but I do feel a bit stalemated right now. All we are doing is coming up with different ideas on the same data. As much fun as this is, is also makes more noise and means less chance of forming a single consensus. I just hope there is more info hidden in game.

Wyke Mossari
Gallente
Posted - 2010.07.29 09:17:00 - [102]
 

Edited by: Wyke Mossari on 29/07/2010 14:57:26

Originally by: Kirian Kador

Well it makes sense. The race went to hibernation, but in order to support it they left solar energy storages/silos (oruze osobnyks) all over the place and sleeper drones to protect the infrastructure. Kinda plausible but a little bit boring


It's only boring because we've known that for weeks (if not months) that it is basically a solar powered home for the sleepers, we keep getting hints there is more to it, and everybody keeps going around in circles beating their head against that brick wall.

Beyond that we are foundering in the dark. On the one hand we've been told there is no fluff, it is all meaningful, then after two threads with hundreds of posts dissecting the tiniest details of the other sites, structures and w-space are dismissed with one video equating it with silly/children/vegetables.

The one really important question, about the map, is it's 'in game shape and location' just pragmatism by the programmers, has been left unanswered. This is something that could be readily determine by astronomical observations. It is something we should know, but we cannot because of game limitations, so that clue needs to be revealed to us, either directly here or better through a chronicle.

This has disillusioned me, I just cannot see what we need to do to progress this.


Sonkut
Minmatar
The Motley Few
Posted - 2010.07.29 09:20:00 - [103]
 

Originally by: Skothen Chetokk
Edited by: Skothen Chetokk on 28/07/2010 20:58:03
Oruze Construct
Quote:


hmmz, if you completed the circle all the way around it looks like the helm off a sail boat... maybe like that off a ... PIRATE SHIP! OMG da sleepers haz a pirate shipz an itz HUGE!

Grabs ur cheeze bergers and runz.....

Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
Posted - 2010.07.29 09:30:00 - [104]
 

Edited by: Pottsey on 29/07/2010 09:31:41
This is just a wild theory I am putting out there more for fun as its unlikely to be correct.

What if the Sleepers caused the Eve wormhole to collapse. The Sleepers who could be the Stasis Jove who where working on an Emergent system development. There whole Sleeper network forms one giant VR/network. What if the minds of the people in the VR network, mixed in with the Emergent system development and drone AI's formed one consciousness. The whole sleeper network self-assemble its own consciousness from the minds of the people in habitation plugged into VR, from the drones Emergent design and the sleeper sites Emergent design. This consciousness explosion mixed with the Eve gate which turned the wormhole into a giant vassal for the consciousness.

This is why the wormhole is described as getting angry lashing out and destroying the Jove ship. It is also why the Jove say the Eve gate is not what everyone thinks it is.

The Eve wormhole is one giant consciousness and this is why the Jove abandoned Emergent design research. (Yes I know the timelines do not match for this to be true, unless the wormhole/consciousness goes though time)

Nikilaiki Ruutarhara
Caldari
Project Daedalid
Posted - 2010.07.29 09:33:00 - [105]
 

Edited by: Nikilaiki Ruutarhara on 30/07/2010 10:30:51

Aynen
Posted - 2010.07.29 09:36:00 - [106]
 

Edited by: Aynen on 29/07/2010 09:44:04
If this is about figuring things out and reaching a consensus, then what if we never figure it out and never have a consensus? Is there an alternate turn of events for that?
I can totally see it happening that the arguing back and forth about theories keeps going forever if no authority figure puts a stop to it. And amongst the players, everyone behaves like an authority figure, thus noone actually has any.
Hence, there will be no consensus, even if one of us exedently comes up with the correct theory.

P.S. about what the Oruze construct looks like from above: To me it looks like a trade-hub, the outward spikes being where ships dock on either side of the spike. But that doesn't fit into existing theories.

Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
Posted - 2010.07.29 09:58:00 - [107]
 

Edited by: Pottsey on 29/07/2010 09:59:53
Nikilaiki Ruutarhara said "So, the Big Bad = the Society of Conscious Thought, AKA The Order, AKA The Enheduanni? I'm sure there's more evidence out there, and more pieces of the puzzle, but I'm fairly certain I'm on the right track here."
I like most of your theory apart from the bit about the Society of Conscious Thought being the Enheduanni.

Your idea does seem like the type of thing I could see the Society of Conscious Thought doing but there are a few problems. The first is, I do not think the Society of Conscious Thought are old enough at 300 years. But this is easily be solved by saying they are much older being a secretive shadow organisation before being public funded corp 300 years ago. Very plausible so that problem solved.

But two next problems that are harder to explain away. The Society of Conscious Thought would have to have technology so advance the rest of t Jove cannot even understand how it could work, let alone develop it. Possible, they might have found some old terrain tech, we know they search for old artefacts but it feels very unlikely to me.

But the big problem in the chronicles End of the world series. What I believe to be the Enheduanni worked directly against the Society of Conscious Thought interests. When the wormholes where created wasn't it the Society of Conscious Thought who tried to get hold of the terrain weapon? But what I believe to be the Enheduanni blow up the weapon and Isogen 5 causing the wormholes completely ruining the Society of Conscious Thought plan? That's a harder one to explain away. Perhaps infighting with the Enheduanni?


Nikilaiki Ruutarhara said " I wonder, have they infiltrated all the Empires, including the Jove?"
The Society of Conscious Thought having strategically placed individuals and influencing the names we give to the old race's is very plausible. Well they did it with the Jove with a shadow government and they did it with the Sisters of Eve. Who's to say they have not done it with everyone else. It fits them and I would be more surprise if they had not tried it with other governments.



Nikilaiki Ruutarhara said "What we're seeing is the Society of Conscious Thought's ultimate goal. Apotheosis."
I like the idea that they stumbled across the Sleeper network and realised it could be used for there ultimate goal. They want the network for themselves but need a plan.

Auwnie Morohe
Posted - 2010.07.29 10:08:00 - [108]
 

Wrong. CCP Dropbear almost gave you the instruction manual on what to do. Stop trying to draw conclusions from too little facts. Start with what you can see.

For example the Haplo groups. It was a very good find. The first thing I read was that A, B, C, D and X are "found in the indigenous peoples of the Americas". What this information does is strengthen the link between the Talocan and Sleepers and that DNA plays a part, nothing else. It doesnt even say what the nature of link is. Also it raises a lot more questions then it answers. Like Why, in the medical enclave, is C so big and why D not there at all.

Like the example above there are hundreds of clues strengthening or weakening connections until they break or become unbreakable. Like locus signature. All it does is strengthen the idea that DNA plays a part.

And then there is this.
Originally by: CCP Dropbear
Hopefully at that point, there'll be opportunities for more meaningful vindications of those theories than forum posts. Get me?


So who is going to be the first one there?
1 Talocan cruiser BPO for me please Mr Sleepyhead.Very Happy

Bladen Kerst
Caldari
Aperture Harmonics
K162
Posted - 2010.07.29 10:15:00 - [109]
 

Edited by: Bladen Kerst on 29/07/2010 10:16:51
Originally by: Aynen
Edited by: Aynen on 29/07/2010 09:44:04
If this is about figuring things out and reaching a consensus, then what if we never figure it out and never have a consensus? Is there an alternate turn of events for that?
I can totally see it happening that the arguing back and forth about theories keeps going forever if no authority figure puts a stop to it. And amongst the players, everyone behaves like an authority figure, thus noone actually has any.
Hence, there will be no consensus, even if one of us exedently comes up with the correct theory.

P.S. about what the Oruze construct looks like from above: To me it looks like a trade-hub, the outward spikes being where ships dock on either side of the spike. But that doesn't fit into existing theories.


Precisely, hence the reason for creating this thread

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1357429

However CCP Dropbear doesn't want to limit himself by his words stating something definite and prefers to treat us like rats in maze. Seriously if you are in his position why would you start negotiating with your test subjects?

Gouzu Kho
Posted - 2010.07.29 10:21:00 - [110]
 

Just a small note on the discussion itself. Dropbear has urged us repeatedly to use induction. and yes, I had to google it.

"Inductive reasoning, also known as induction or inductive logic, is a kind of reasoning that allows for the possibility that the conclusion is false even where all of the premises are true.[1] The premises of an inductive logical argument indicate some degree of support (inductive probability) for the conclusion but do not entail it; i.e. they do not ensure its truth."

It seems to me we are expected to focus on similarities between items, stories and whatnot, and not so much on any theories and conclusions we might draw from that.

So in the case of "oruze" looking like the society ships, we can conclude that there is a possibility that both are linked. But the whole question as to why it would make sense is only as important as the chance of us being correct. Perhaps a better question might be "are there other elements in the wormholes that point to a direct link between the sleepers and the society ?"

An obvious problem for us is that, as humans, we are not genetically pre-disposed to use induction in our reasoning. We naturally want to deduce things and come to conclusions, and I can understand that for people who have been at this for months it is frustrating to never get a final conclusion.

On the other hand, we are trying to "beat the game" in a way, so it makes sense that its freaking hard.

Nikilaiki Ruutarhara
Caldari
Project Daedalid
Posted - 2010.07.29 10:36:00 - [111]
 

Edited by: Nikilaiki Ruutarhara on 30/07/2010 10:31:08

Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
Posted - 2010.07.29 10:38:00 - [112]
 

Auwnie Morohe said " So who is going to be the first one there?
1 Talocan cruiser BPO for me please Mr Sleepyhead. "

In the unlikely event there is a reward I hope it's not just for the person who comes up with the final theory. But for everyone that contributed a notable amount. Like dropbear said before it's not something one single person can do by them self.

Although I am pretty sure many of us here are not doing this for a reward. To me it does not matter who is the first one there. Only that we contributed ideas that helped the final idea.

Miyamoto Uroki
Caldari
Sarum Industries
Posted - 2010.07.29 11:14:00 - [113]
 

Well, for me Dropbear said that at this time there is nothing special to trigger ingame yet. So right now it only is a story, not an event at all.

Lets hope the secret feature that CCP is crafting up for next expansion is basically the ingame content we are about to unlock.

oh and I also think that the chronicles are a good hint here aswell:
Ametat and Avetat plus Cold Wind hints us to interaction of a very advanced race in the past.

Whoever came up with the connection of the look of oruze construct with "signs of faith" story is right imho. Or it's really just a lame sun-connection ^^

Connie Focal
The Red Circle Inc.
Posted - 2010.07.29 11:24:00 - [114]
 

So has anyone flown an Apotheosis to the site to see if it 'completes the circle' and triggers something?

Haral Heisto
Posted - 2010.07.29 11:26:00 - [115]
 

Originally by: CCP Dropbear
Oruze Construct

What's it look like?


Like very much like an Apotheosis to me

Nikilaiki Ruutarhara
Caldari
Project Daedalid
Posted - 2010.07.29 11:34:00 - [116]
 

Edited by: Nikilaiki Ruutarhara on 30/07/2010 10:31:24

Jowen Datloran
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
Posted - 2010.07.29 12:43:00 - [117]
 

Edited by: Jowen Datloran on 29/07/2010 12:44:43
I am happy, because this quest seems perfectly aimed at somebody like me who finds his clues in the game and not from sources outside. I updated my bag of puzzle pieces and are only missing a few now.

I am working under the assumption that all clues are made in such a way that our characters can get to understand the answer. This means they are found in the game. All information in the the chronicles that our characters wouldn't know of are not critical information. Neither are similarities with ancient myths from Earth as our character has no way of knowing these. I got a feeling that doing so only confuses more than it reveals.

BTW.: I think the Oruze Osobnyk looks like a giant sun watch.

Shar Totanka
Posted - 2010.07.29 13:16:00 - [118]
 

Originally by: CCP Dropbear
Oruze Construct

What's it look like?


It looks like someone is half way done building a sphere of those platforms being connected ever so often, at least that's what it looks like in the youtube video linked later.

Doesn't make any sense at all of course.

It could be the construction of a star, but why would anyone bother building a star right next to another one?

It could be the construction of a planet , but that wouldn't really make sense with what we know about planet forming and with all the planets in eve I guess it wouldn't be too significant either.

It could have something to do with the 6th amarr symbol as someone mentions, and maybe the sleepers are the creaters of life... keke.

It could be a device to eat a star, but why would you do that, and what stopped it?

I've read quite a few of these threads now, and I honestly don't get why anyone bothers. From an scientific way of dealing with evidence I'd say you're working out the meaning of existence from looking at two tiny specs of sand.

Tons of theories, no way to know if the theory you're working on is right or wrong.

But good luck, I doubt I'll visit more of these threads.

Aynen
Posted - 2010.07.29 13:18:00 - [119]
 

Originally by: Jowen Datloran

BTW.: I think the Oruze Osobnyk looks like a giant sun watch.


Then where is the shadow pointing?

Nikilaiki Ruutarhara
Caldari
Project Daedalid
Posted - 2010.07.29 13:24:00 - [120]
 

Edited by: Nikilaiki Ruutarhara on 30/07/2010 10:31:42


Pages: first : previous : 1 2 3 [4] 5 6 7 8 9 ... : last (30)

This thread is older than 90 days and has been locked due to inactivity.


 


The new forums are live

Please adjust your bookmarks to https://forums.eveonline.com

These forums are archived and read-only