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Utremi Fasolasi
Gallente
La Dolce Vita
Posted - 2010.06.01 04:37:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: CCP Dropbear
It may not make sense at first.


There was this reference to the Vitrauze project chronicle.

One thing I noticed was it went out of the way to mention the breakdown of the name Vitrauze, breaking off the initial element as "vitra" = life or living and the name dating way back to the first EVE gate colonists.

But what is this -uze suffix in Vitra-uze?

And it seems related to the same phoneme in the Sleeper sites named "Oruze Enclave". Or-uze.

What is that about?

Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
Posted - 2010.06.01 07:50:00 - [32]
 

Lancashirian said " What system was this in k-space?"
Sorry I don't remember. It was mission 50 in the last mission in the Blood-Stained Stars Epic arc. If you could find to guides on that arc they should say what sector it's in.
I was just going over our old Sleeper screenshot and spotted this one I forget to post months back. It looks pretty important to me http://asbalon.as.funpic.de/Bilder/Eve/New/2010.02.20.15.54.53.jpg taken by Asbalon Jade my wormhole friend.

Anyone know any real good wormhole corps I could join?

Aliraxi
Gallente
Throat Slitters
Posted - 2010.06.01 12:19:00 - [33]
 

Edited by: Aliraxi on 01/06/2010 12:40:42
Edited by: Aliraxi on 01/06/2010 12:19:22
I've gone nowhere as deep as several of you have in unraveling the mystery of Sleepers, but I was just thinking, what's to stop the wormholes from not just displacing space, but also time? Maybe the Sleepers/Talocans/Wormhole Space itself are remnants of the major factions/K-Space, as evident by Sleepers starting to crop up in K-Space now (like in that Epic Arc).

I'm just speculating though Embarassed.

Side Note: It seems Aura has a sense of humor judging by that last picture :)

Edit: The whole "time" thing also comes into play when the Talocans deal with Hypereuclidean Mathmatics (4-Dimensions+), and Time being the 4th-Dimension (generally speaking, although wikipedia says it isn't done in physics anymore).

Selar Nox
Posted - 2010.06.01 18:41:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Utremi Fasolasi
Originally by: CCP Dropbear
It may not make sense at first.


There was this reference to the Vitrauze project chronicle.

One thing I noticed was it went out of the way to mention the breakdown of the name Vitrauze, breaking off the initial element as "vitra" = life or living and the name dating way back to the first EVE gate colonists.

But what is this -uze suffix in Vitra-uze?

And it seems related to the same phoneme in the Sleeper sites named "Oruze Enclave". Or-uze.

What is that about?

Sounds interesting and would fit to this post.

So perhaps Vitrauze is the shortened form of "Life/Living of Oruze", which can be interpreted as "Existence of Oruze", what would be a proper name for a project/expedition trying to see if the Oruze (assuming they are a nation or something similar) exists.

Perhaps it is the shortened form of "Life in Oruze" meaning to see if there is life in a specific place (Oruze), for example unknown space / outside our cluster / etc.

But both versions would imply that some Researchers of the Empires know more (the term Oruze) than they told us or the common public...

Lancashirian
Posted - 2010.06.02 00:56:00 - [35]
 

A corpie and I were talking today about the theories of WHERE the wormholes themselves are. If they are in a normal galaxy like anywhere else, but just don't have stargates, are there wormholes that are geographically close to one another, just without a way to know which one is next to the other? And if that is so, IF we were to find a way to figure out which ones were close to each other, would cyno transportation be viable?

Makaron
Minmatar
The Dark Space Initiative
Revival Of The Talocan Empire
Posted - 2010.06.02 12:43:00 - [36]
 

Perhaps the infection is related to what destroyed Kyanoke Pit.

It states it may have been an old aggressive protein locked in the rock from an earlyer time.

An aggresstive unstopable protein virus.

Le Badass
Posted - 2010.06.04 10:11:00 - [37]
 

Edited by: Le Badass on 04/06/2010 10:13:09
Hi guys

I'm completely new to this interesting idea of a deeper storyline and Eve lore/mystery, but here's my take, judging from what little I know of Eve chronicles and what I've read in this thread and the threads linked to from here:

This ancient race everybody is talking about apparently contracted some kind of virus, which they couldn't find a cure for, so eventually they decided to put their people into cryostasis until a solution could be found.
Apparently some people were not put into stasis, but were synthesized - That is, had their minds transferred into machines.
These people would be scientists, whose mission it was to try to find a cure for the virus.
This links together the idea of an ancient people, the unstoppable virus, the cryofacilities and the medical bays.

So where do the Sleepers come into play?
My theory is that they were a synthetic "race" of artifical intelligent beings developed and built with the purpose of protecting the people in cryo and the synthesized scientists.
Being non-organic, they would be impervious to the virus as well as virtually "immortal" provided they had self-repair capability and power sources able to sustain them indefinitely.
However, at some point, this AI must have started to develop autonomously, also known as "emergent" intelligence/behavior in the world of AI research.
Presumably the Sleepers self-developed, ending up being not only protectors, but also, effectively, prison guards. So this "Mansion of Weapons" may refer not to a stronghold, but to a prison.
So, regardless of whether this ancient people found a cure or not, they may be unable to escape their Sleeper guardians, because they no longer control any military force capable of defeating the Sleepers.
Judging from the screendumps people have been posting, I'd say its a fair bet that the synthesized scientists are researching AI related tech in order to re-establish control over the Sleepers.

As for the drones, I support the idea of them being tied to the Sleepers and their creators. Studies have shown that "emergent" intelligence doesn't need advanced AI. Simply having a large group of individuals of limited intelligence is sometimes enough for emergent intelligence to develop. The drones happen to be such a group of limited intelligence machines.
Meanwhile, back here on planet Earth, we have an excellent example of this kind of emergent intelligence: Ants.
Take ten ants and isolate them, and they will barely have the intelligence to walk around in circles until they die of exhaustion.
Put together 10 million ants, and they will construct major, subterranean ant hives with air condition, honey farms, food storage, infrastructure and logistics.

How does all this link to the whole Earth-deal? Why is Earth interesting for a highly developed galactic people?
Well, if they were fighting some kind of virus, and this virus was in any way like the sickness the Jovians contracted, then maybe they needed genetic material as close to the original human genes as possible in order to weed out the genetic basis for the virus, and where better to find those than back on good, old Terra.

As for the Jovians, my guess is that they stay clear of the Sleepers out of fear they may also become captives.
Also, they have probably withdrawn from the rest of the Human race both as a result of their sickness, which renders them physically weak, but also because they don't want to risk that the sickness spreads to the rest of the Human population. Not because they're nice guys, but because if Terra can't provide the genetic material needed to fight their sickness, the next best thing will be the population of New Eden.

That's the result of my theorizing for now. After reading this thread and the links in it, I'm ready to dig a little deeper.
This is exciting stuff :)

Utremi Fasolasi
Gallente
La Dolce Vita
Posted - 2010.06.07 08:48:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: Selar Nox
Originally by: Utremi Fasolasi
Originally by: CCP Dropbear
It may not make sense at first.


There was this reference to the Vitrauze project chronicle.

One thing I noticed was it went out of the way to mention the breakdown of the name Vitrauze, breaking off the initial element as "vitra" = life or living and the name dating way back to the first EVE gate colonists.

But what is this -uze suffix in Vitra-uze?

And it seems related to the same phoneme in the Sleeper sites named "Oruze Enclave". Or-uze.

What is that about?

Sounds interesting and would fit to this post.

So perhaps Vitrauze is the shortened form of "Life/Living of Oruze", which can be interpreted as "Existence of Oruze", what would be a proper name for a project/expedition trying to see if the Oruze (assuming they are a nation or something similar) exists.

Perhaps it is the shortened form of "Life in Oruze" meaning to see if there is life in a specific place (Oruze), for example unknown space / outside our cluster / etc.

But both versions would imply that some Researchers of the Empires know more (the term Oruze) than they told us or the common public...


I think it's too great of a leap to conclude that this early *Gallentean's* name hides the word Oruze within it, but the fact that the two names have a parallel structure - and one is a part of Gallentean history - may be a clue in itself to bigger things.

Avenger1
Posted - 2010.06.18 17:04:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Utremi Fasolasi
Originally by: Selar Nox
Originally by: Utremi Fasolasi
Originally by: CCP Dropbear
It may not make sense at first.


There was this reference to the Vitrauze project chronicle.

One thing I noticed was it went out of the way to mention the breakdown of the name Vitrauze, breaking off the initial element as "vitra" = life or living and the name dating way back to the first EVE gate colonists.

But what is this -uze suffix in Vitra-uze?

And it seems related to the same phoneme in the Sleeper sites named "Oruze Enclave". Or-uze.

What is that about?

Sounds interesting and would fit to this post.

So perhaps Vitrauze is the shortened form of "Life/Living of Oruze", which can be interpreted as "Existence of Oruze", what would be a proper name for a project/expedition trying to see if the Oruze (assuming they are a nation or something similar) exists.

Perhaps it is the shortened form of "Life in Oruze" meaning to see if there is life in a specific place (Oruze), for example unknown space / outside our cluster / etc.

But both versions would imply that some Researchers of the Empires know more (the term Oruze) than they told us or the common public...


I think it's too great of a leap to conclude that this early *Gallentean's* name hides the word Oruze within it, but the fact that the two names have a parallel structure - and one is a part of Gallentean history - may be a clue in itself to bigger things.


Perhaps a flight of fancy but an earlier posted phrase "Oruzje osobnyak" evolving to become the word Orje banyak to finally become organ bank

Safiyyah Imarra
Posted - 2010.06.18 21:34:00 - [40]
 

Just a note on "deanimation." This implies to me, as others have observed, the liklihood that the Sleepers/Talocan intentionally "deanimated" themselves, placing their consciousness into a VR / database reality. Their physical bodies might have been placed in stasis of some kind in the event they were needed again -- perhaps when whatever caused the quarantine and their flight into VR was dealt with. The stasis wasn't for a trip to Earth, but to simply to preserve their corporeal forms for some future use.

Mara Rinn
Posted - 2010.06.19 00:27:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Safiyyah Imarra
Just a note on "deanimation." This implies to me, as others have observed, the liklihood that the Sleepers/Talocan intentionally "deanimated" themselves ... to simply to preserve their corporeal forms for some future use.


I'll join you in that hypothesis, Safiyyah.

I leap into wild speculation and see this kind of timeline: Talocan civilisation and friends invent/discover terrible disease. Triage is set up throughout their known space, but the disease outpaces their medical abilities. Quarantine is set up to keep healthy individuals alive. No progress is being made on the disease, so massive cryogenics warehouses are set up. It turns out that the disease is slowed or halted in cryo, so massive project is set in motion to put everyone in cryo - sick and healthy alike. Some folks are de-animated into "drones", with the deanimation genealogy database being the repository of which mind was put in which ship, along with records of whose families were susceptible/resistant to the disease.

Being "immortalised" in their mechanical bodies for centuries, the deanimated folks ("sleepers") start thinking differently. The poet needs the pain, or so they say. Take away the pain, take away the fear of death, and what happens? Spend a few centuries guarding and maintaining some infrastructure and your ideas of good & evil, work ethic, social contracts etc will mutate. At the very least the sheer boredom will drive you insane. New ideologies emerge.

The Talocan et al set up observation posts to keep an eye on the "mundane" folk back in Empire space. Once they detected that mundane technology and ideology was sufficiently "advanced" or "compatible", open up wormholes to allow them into sleeper space (using tamed/leashed rogue drones, since noone has an inventory of those guys from which borrowed equipment will be noticed missing).

We are now the tools through which the existing Talocan et al hope to research further technology, discover the disease for ourselves, find a cure, and end up reanimating (and un-deanimating) that civilisation. Or at least they might find a resistant strain amongst the empire-dwellers, to be harvested for biomass in which to reanimate the sleepers and thence wake the cryogenically stored community.

My thinking here is that the re-awakening of Sanshas Nation has nothing to do with the Jove other than preventing the Jove from interfering with the Sleeper plans. Sanshas Nation as Sleeper puppets, harvesting biomass from resistant strains?

Or perhaps the Sleepers are an "ultimate weapon" that was deployed by one race against the others as a form of interdiction to prevent the disease from spreading? The interdicted races then set plans in motion to get the humans to come in and clean up the interdiction forces, and wake up the Sanshas Nation to help purge Talocan et al systems of the newly arrived looters?

Or perhaps the Talocan et al invented some amazing MMORPG which everyone got addicted to, to the extent that they froze their real bodies and transferred their consciousnesses into the game - quarantine to make sure bodies are going to last "forever", triage to handle the folks whose deanimation didn't work so well. The sleeper drones are just guards to stop the game being disrupted, and the triggering of wormholes was done by someone else interested in getting access to the advanced Talocan technology.

Wazp
Posted - 2010.06.19 02:09:00 - [42]
 

What if.. all the story is out there. we just need to get together and tell it. I think maybe planetary interaction is a distraction from this to give CCP a break from expansions

Bagehi
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises
Posted - 2010.06.19 13:02:00 - [43]
 

Eve Gate
Bright Star
Seyllin
Wormholes
Sleepers
Oruze Osobnyk
Talocan
Yan Jung

These seem interconnected. If sleepers are nothing but robotic guard dogs, I'm not looking forward to facing down Talocan or Yan Jung ships.

FeralShadow
NME1
Posted - 2010.06.19 21:45:00 - [44]
 

Edited by: FeralShadow on 19/06/2010 21:51:57
Edited by: FeralShadow on 19/06/2010 21:47:29
Just read through everything including the article.

My personal opinion of the matter is that the Talocan and the Sleepers (and the other mystery race) are a super advanced (united) race, perhaps an offshoot of the Jove Empire (they do seem suspiciously connected) that strove to create a utopia. I do think that in their case, the utopia was not in space itself, and not in machines, but rather "getting back to basics". As the chronicle discussed in this thread alludes to, the entity within the sleeper compounds represents itself in a humanoid fashion (though why the sleeper would choose a caldarian to show itself to the gallente is beyond me (if it can choose what form to express toward outsiders, and again, if it can't choose its form then it can just be coincidence)). He is surrounded by nature, a stream, trees, leaves. All things that are reminiscent of life and living. Not space, not machines. I believe that these sleepers intentionally have constructed the sleeper drones to protect them as they dream away their lives in digital stasis (uploading their minds to a central nexus), connected to a virtual living world much like their own home planets must have been long before they were exhausted of resources. Hasn't anybody other than me longed for a day where you can disconnect yourself from the struggles of space and politics?

Quah Yace
Posted - 2010.06.24 17:18:00 - [45]
 

Maybe I missed it in these posts, but did you consider that there are some ships in the game that are not aggressed by the sleepers (i.e. Zephyr)?
As far as I understood these ships are of Jove design...

Maybe that's also an interesting little piece of the puzzle to reveal the connection of the Jove to this matter. In my opinion that goes more into the direction of sleepers as "watchdogs" than being transferred minds who have gone mad - but on the other hand maybe it even doesn't matter at all...

Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
Posted - 2010.06.24 19:36:00 - [46]
 

The Zephyr is not Jove and I found no extra info by using it. Although it does make gathering info easier.
There is a Jove shuttle but the Zephyr is a Sisters of Eve Shuttle

Katrina Bekers
Gallente
Fighters Squadron
Posted - 2010.06.24 23:20:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: Pottsey
the Zephyr is a Sisters of Eve Shuttle


...And a quite interesting one, too.

Salria Usenheart
Caldari
Posted - 2010.07.06 19:50:00 - [48]
 

Edited by: Salria Usenheart on 06/07/2010 20:30:08
Talcon/Sleepers arent linked to Jove, Jove just met them before. Remember a few cents after the collapse of the eve gate the Jove 1st Empire ruled for 9000 years before they edited themselves too much and destroyed their basic instincts. The backstory on sleepers states that they were part of the human corporations that came through the eve gate before it was destroyed and like the Jove survived that closing well, and expanded in the time before the 4 player races took to the stars. Sometime in that 10000-12000 years they died out in both kspace and wspace leaving only ruins (there are sleeper ruins in kspace in matar sov)


Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
Posted - 2010.07.08 07:16:00 - [49]
 

Salria Usenheart said "Jove 1st Empire ruled for 9000 years before they edited themselves too much and destroyed their basic instincts"
Something unknown that the Elders did collapsed the 1st Jove empire that lasted 9000years. It was the 2nd Jove empire that edited themselves too much and destroyed their basic instincts. We are now on the 3rd Jove empire.



Salria Usenheart said "The backstory on sleepers states that they were part of the human corporations that came through the eve gate before it was destroyed and like the Jove survived that closing well, and expanded in the time before the 4 player races took to the stars."
Please show a link to that, I don't recall it at all and if its correct is very interesting. I have a large collection of all sleeper lore so I would like to add that bit in.

Auwnie Morohe
Posted - 2010.07.08 18:14:00 - [50]
 

I would just like to say how awesome this Sleeper mystery is and thank CCP for coming up with it. And thanks Eventy One for posting it on GD forum otherwise I wouldnt have found this EVE fiction forum at all.Cool

Whatever happens if anything will happen at all it has been a lot of fun the last couple of days reading the chronicles and researching stuff. But maybe the steep learning curve that we pod pilots like to pride ourself with having conquered isnt that steep at all, it took us one and a half year to get where we are now and still needed a lot help from CCP.

I just hope CCP Dropbear stops giving hints cause I have a feeling im getting close. What ever it may be.

Quote:
The Zephyr is not Jove and I found no extra info by using it. Although it does make gathering info easier.

I think the Zephyr was CCPs way of saying "get on with it"Very Happy

BTW I am a genius.Wink

Cobalt Sixty
Caldari
Perkone
Posted - 2010.07.12 02:37:00 - [51]
 

Something I found very interesting about the Sleeper Drones was written in the item descriptions for certain Ancient Salvaged Materials.

Specifically,

Originally by: Emergent Combat Intelligence
Although emergent systems are not fully-fledged Artificial Intelligences, they are often so advanced that they can border on sentience. The means by which they are created is also a common source for claims that they are in fact, full-blown AIs. Emergent system development is said to have been an early focal point in Jovian software design, where they hoped to create an atmosphere in which an advanced system could self-assemble its own consciousness and thus “emerge” as a sentient being. What became of these projects remains unknown, although the Jovians appear to have abandoned these pursuits many millennia ago in favor of something more tangible and containable.

Designed from the ground up to perform complex, real-time combat calculations such as weapon tracking and heat optimization, this device shows the signatures of an emergent intelligence. Despite this, various hard limitations have been encoded into the device at the most fundamental level, greatly limiting its potential to evolve any further. Even in its current state though, it represents some of the most advanced combat electronics ever built. Although nothing about the software is in itself revolutionary, it is able to tackle highly complex tasks with a frightening level of speed and efficiency.

Two things in this entry arouse my interest:

1) This object expresses a similarity with the intent of now abandoned Jovian research. Exactly how many millenia ago they ditched this particular research focus is an interesting question, as that may denote which particular Jovian Empire pursued it. Also of interest is the use of the word "containable".

2) The presence of hard encoded limitations at a fundamental level are interesting as to why they're necessary, though I don't suppose I'd like it if my arm or leg took on a life of their own, either. Perhaps not directly linked to the origins of the Sleepers, it does imply that whoever built it didn't want it to become full of itself later on.

Originally by: Jump Drive Control Nexus
Barely salvageable from the wreck of a Sleeper drone, this device could have been something much more impressive when it was fully functional. In its current state it is almost unrecognizable, having been scratched, burned and even chemically melted. It looks like it was housed next to the drone's power core, which would explain the extreme heat damage it suffered when the drone exploded.

Stranger yet, it almost seems as if it was lined with some kind of triggered-release corrosive. The self-destruct mechanism – if that’s even what it was – only caused so much damage, and the acid didn't burn cleanly through the center of the drive.

Even as a shadow of its former self, it can be combined with other components to form a fully functional warp drive. Being capable of this, even in such a bad state, strongly suggests that the device was capable of other types of more advanced interstellar travel. Why a Sleeper drone was equipped with this level of technology remains a mystery.

Okay,

1) Object appears to have been lined with with corrosive. If we speculate that whomever lined the JDCN with corrosive didn't want it to be recovered and used by anyone else, then it had to have certain properties contained there in that were considered vitally important to protect.

2) Speculating further, note that the center of the drive was left intact. Sleeper technology is known to be highly advanced and resilient to damage. Did we get lucky in that this resilence worked against them when the (potential) self-destruct mechanism was triggered OR perhaps were any ancillary systems surrounding the drive core the true target for protective destruction.

Cobalt Sixty
Caldari
Perkone
Posted - 2010.07.12 02:40:00 - [52]
 

(continued)

3) Now take into account the suggestion of the possibility that "the device was capable of other types of more advanced interstellar travel.". Also take a moment to recall the Cartesian Temporal Coordinator, an object "configured to synchronize its processing speed in time with the distance travelled between two points.".

Taken together, this hints at a transit system integrating the management of space and time co-ordinates together to an unknown end. Maybe if we refresh ourselves as to how our warp drives, jump drives and stargates currently work we can rule those out and begin to theorise ... alternatives. Ones which involve wormholes, and maybe one particular hole in space especially.

Two more objects are of interest: the Modified Fluid Router and the Neurovisual Input Matrix.

Originally by: Modified Fluid Router
The backbones of communication across New Eden, fluid routers play a crucial role in all faster-than-light (FTL) transmissions. The Sleeper drones have been equipped with much the same communications equipment as contemporary starships. The only major difference observable with the Sleeper Fluid Routers is in the way transmissions are translated. The drones must be talking in their own proprietary language.

Of interest here is the reminder that the Sleeper drones express themselves in their own language.

Originally by: Neurovisual Input Matrix
Used in conjunction with other equipment inside the capsule, neurovisual input matrices serve the vital function of translating external stimuli into visual data. Ship identifier tags, hostile threat indicators and tactical overlay interfaces are all typical examples of N.I.M at work. The Sleeper variants of these matrices are not substantively different from contemporary devices, needing only a few supplemental components and some minor reprogramming before they can operate in much the same way. The only major deviation is in the energy efficiency. The Sleeper device is almost a thousand times less demanding on a ship’s power core.

Sleeper drones process external stimuli into visual data, the implication being that either they or whomever designed/built them had eyes of some description. The fact that they take little modification to function the same as Capsuleer technology does imply a similar physiological background at work.

Oh, and on one more note of interest I looked at this little gem and came to the following conclusion.

"Solar Engineering" is an interesting choice of words. At first I thought "solar power" in the sense of capturing solar emissions to convert into electricity but there are two separate departments of study present in the mysterious Oruze Enclave, not sub-departments as shown elsewhere.

"Photoelectrical Engineering" and "Thermovoltaics" (to me) imply drawing and converting power from solar bodies into electrical energy, then directing it towards a purpose.

"Solar Engineering" however, implies (again, to me) working with the solar bodies themselves to some other purpose.

Vitra = Life, maybe Or = Sun? There have been some hints.

So. Many. Breadcrumbs.

I wonder where they lead.

Gouzu Kho
Posted - 2010.07.12 18:42:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: Cobalt Sixty

Originally by: Neurovisual Input Matrix
Used in conjunction with other equipment inside the capsule, neurovisual input matrices serve the vital function of translating external stimuli into visual data. Ship identifier tags, hostile threat indicators and tactical overlay interfaces are all typical examples of N.I.M at work. The Sleeper variants of these matrices are not substantively different from contemporary devices, needing only a few supplemental components and some minor reprogramming before they can operate in much the same way. The only major deviation is in the energy efficiency. The Sleeper device is almost a thousand times less demanding on a ship’s power core.

Sleeper drones process external stimuli into visual data, the implication being that either they or whomever designed/built them had eyes of some description. The fact that they take little modification to function the same as Capsuleer technology does imply a similar physiological background at work.


I would take it a step further and think that this similarity suggests yet another link between the sleepers and the Jovians.
The capsules, and their neural interface, came from the Jovians. Needing only a few modifications to perform the same function points to the same technological origin.

Zensige
0ne Percent.
Posted - 2010.07.16 12:13:00 - [54]
 

I lived in Wh space for a long time and was completely ignorant to the awesome hidden treasures I passed up. So i would like to thank all you other hard works for bringing this out into the light. Really awesome stuff!

DasGI
Caldari
Posted - 2010.07.28 09:15:00 - [55]
 

Im new to all this deeper story line stuff (im also a fairly new player) but this really excites me so ima gonna have a go with my 2 cents.
all this wormhole stuff reminds me of some of these science articles in the backstory section for eg. in the article about interstellar travel it notes that the eve universe that we inhabit although large is not the whole picture that we see
There are several strict limitations on jump gate travel. First of all, jump gates can only be constructed in systems with two or more suns, because of the resonance nodes. This effectively makes one in every three systems ineligible for jump gate construction.
this may be me just clutching at straws but maybe these other systems may be connected to to these wormholes which leads me to the other point about wormholes
if u read the entire article about gate travel it explains how the gates work and - maybe coincidence maybe not- are basically manufactered wormholes so this could posibly mean that either the jove or some other race could have perfected this method of travel and be living (technically) right next door.
(sorry im draging on but thoughts keep poping into my head)
this could also hint at were these wormholes lead to as well as (maybe) be where the majority of the jovian population lives.
so any way thats my 2 cents hope it helpedVery Happy
Das

Aynen
Posted - 2010.07.28 11:51:00 - [56]
 

About what DasGI said: the wormhole systems have a locus signature, and not all numbers are accounted for. There are gaps in the sequence, and maybe those gaps are single-star systems where no wormhole can go because of the node thing.

CCP Dropbear

Posted - 2010.07.28 18:18:00 - [57]
 

Cobalt Sixty: That's exactly the sort of way you'll figure things out, but looking directly at what's out there, and using induction to figure out what's important or noteworthy. The more you look at, the more you'll see a pattern, as the same theories keep cropping up. Others have shared your thoughts about Oruze, those are an example of theories that keep cropping up.

Auwnie Morohe said it. Pottsey said it too, but didn't like the theory because it's plausible yet boring (bluntly paraphrasing here). There's something Pottsey missed, however, in between dropping bombs of Sleeper info. Istvaan clued on to that part of it all, though (where we move beyond the obvious to the much more subtle). Dots are there, but not...quite...connected. You guys have figured out a lot, and now you just need to separate theories into things with strong supporting evidence, and things with more tenuous supporting evidence.

For example, the strongest theories about the meaning of Oruze are based on what is directly observable in wormhole space. The Oruze Enclave at the Mirror: Solar engineering, thermovoltaics and photoelectrics. The Oruze Construct, which somebody needs to take a good screenshot of, preferably from directly above. Wink

Then Oruze Osobnyk. Various translations of it point to different things. The most direct translation is home or more functionally, storage. Togther, Oruze as Sun, and Osobnyk as storage, could mean something as simple as solar power storage. In the context of who we're dealing with, a civilization called the Sleepers, that went into some kind of hibernation...it also seems to align.

Osobnyk might also interesting for other reasons, then, if this theory holds. That's the part Istvaan noted somewhere along the line. YARRRR!!

Julianus Soter
Gallente
Moira.
Posted - 2010.07.28 18:45:00 - [58]
 

It is interesting to note that there was a Cartesian Temporal Coordinator located on board a Jovian Frigate, a Specter, that was abandoned on the surface of Antem Prime. Sansha's nation was able to precisely locate and acquire the ship during a sneak attack on the planet. It's only because we were able to acquire the chatlogs of the invasion do we know about the details.

No time to think in-depth about it though. Will comment more later.


Nikilaiki Ruutarhara
Caldari
Project Daedalid
Posted - 2010.07.28 19:10:00 - [59]
 

CCP Dropbear: Yeah, nice way to answer without really answering. Also, nice way to not really give any directions that haven't already been given exhaustive investigation.

Unless there's something more, I give up. I don't think there's anything more than "Wow, drones that run off of solar power and use technology the Jove seem to have mastered." I don't even really care about the answer anymore.

Oh, and the Oruze Osobnyk? A rising or setting sun. Woohoo. Most likely setting, as in night or sleep. Are they Jove sleeping away the dark times, waiting for the cure?

I'm really disappointed and frustrated that I ever thought there was something even halfway interesting to try and figure out beyond that. Since my theories are obviously known to you, and I know where this leads, let me ask you this:

Was I right? The theory that would be most ignored, that is. The reason they are there. Studying something specific, the "face of perfection".

Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari
Guiding Hand Social Club
Posted - 2010.07.28 19:45:00 - [60]
 

Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 28/07/2010 19:56:37
Originally by: CCP Dropbear
For example, the strongest theories about the meaning of Oruze are based on what is directly observable in wormhole space. The Oruze Enclave at the Mirror: Solar engineering, thermovoltaics and photoelectrics. The Oruze Construct, which somebody needs to take a good screenshot of, preferably from directly above.


While I haven't seen one up close, this youtube video has a couple views of the construct. It doesn't have one directly top-down, but it's easy enough to extrapolate the profile from the various angled views. I figure it looks like this:

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Reminds me of the Caldari State emblem. Or possibly a molecular model.

edit: Or actually... the Apotheosis shuttle and other SOCT ships.

edit 2: Whoa.


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