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Tretimus
Posted - 2010.11.19 20:21:00 - [451]
 

Notice,
There is "Black monolith" in k-space near eve gate, same monolith as in w-space, maybe it might give some ideas.
Don't know was it mentioned before by anyone:)

Mr Scarlete
Posted - 2010.11.25 05:47:00 - [452]
 

Originally by: Roga Dracor
Edited by: Roga Dracor on 08/11/2010 01:33:36
Imagine if the bars to your prison were all you had ever known.

Imagine, once again, implies lack of comprehension, the bars are not percieved to be bars, but, a limitation. The reality is not clarified. They could be technological limitations, or genetic limitations.

Then one day, someone appears and unlocks the door.

Someone is pretty well narrowed in this context to us or the Jove. The Jove seem to be good at lamenting the things they do while not regretting them. But, I really think it means us and the Jove being viewed as similar, or us being viewed as already lost to the Jove.

If they have the power to do this, then are they really the liberator?

Because we share the fruits of Jovian industry and research, we are presumed to be lost to the same path as the Jove. Who may be guilty of uploading people into a science project supercomputer as data, which would be the premise of an Infomorph mutating because "faulty" data was uploaded. And once again the Jove miscalculate the importance of emotion to humanity. It was the emotion that mutated the Infomorph into an enemy.

You never remembered who it was that closed you in.

More Jovian lamentation for what they have already done to us and the Sleepers.




I will be answering the following italized quotes in this, in order.
1) the sleepers, wormholes is all they have ever known, wormholes are their prison.
2)us, we open the wormholes back up(iso-5 event)
3)capsuleers, we are young, and undeveloped.
4)sleepers, they were closed into the wormholes by something or someone, but it is unknown.

That's how I see this, sorry im on a smartphone, very hard to write larger paragraphs and copy and paste text.

Nathan Jameson
Talocan Vanguard
Talocan United
Posted - 2010.11.25 07:58:00 - [453]
 

Edited by: Nathan Jameson on 25/11/2010 07:57:57
Originally by: Mr Scarlete
sorry im on a smartphone


Ah, I see the problem right there...

Elanamere
Caldari
Oxytocin Pair Bond Corp
Posted - 2010.11.25 12:07:00 - [454]
 

I've just been on an epic fiction trawl around the Sleeper threads. And I've found a few technical bits that fit together very well. Note no politics or stuff, the recent chrons have become pretty much incomprehesible to me.
I'm pretty sure the Sleepers were (or more likely still are) trapped in the cluster of systems known to us as W-Space. I'm also pretty sure they are trying to escape and almost succeeded.

The bits that resonated with me are, in no partictular order:

1) Cartesian Temporal Coordinator, specifically the line:-

"For some unknown reason, this one is configured to synchronize its processing speed in time with the
distance travelled between two points."

Say you are designing a very intelligent machine and don't want it to go von Neumann probe on you. Containment would be a major problem. So you chain it to a known spot, not by a physical chain or limited fuel use but by causing it's intellect to degrade the further from home it gets. Eventually it's too dumb to even move or recharge...

2) Hyperbole Nexus:-

"Before the technology for employing crystals for faster-than-light communications was invented various other techniques were used to bolster celestial communications. Half a millennia ago the Amarrians discovered a space phenomenon, places in space that seemed to echo with other similar places elsewhere. They learnt to tap into these echoes, greatly boosting the strength of communication devices. Though these places are today largely neglected, there are some people that feel a connection them. The Hyperbole Nexus is one such a place."

Which sounds suprisingly like a stable microscopic wormhole to me. Park in the right spot and squirt (massless, remember) data in one end and pick it up at the other end instantly. Raw data wouldn't affect the WH's mass limit.

3) Shields. Caldari, the shield tank race, use gravimetric sensors and gravimetric drives. So the gravity using race have the best shields. And every races ships have artifically gravity, judging from most of the backstory. Yet Sleeper drones don't have shields.

4) Jamyl Sarum. Altered during her cloning, while technically an infomorph. Suddenly knew where an ancient Terran weapon was stored, (in a transport fleet near the EVE gate). Effects of the weapon appear to cause a shielded ship to implode.

5) The Mirror. Why that name? It doesn't look reflective...

Elanamere
Caldari
Oxytocin Pair Bond Corp
Posted - 2010.11.25 12:11:00 - [455]
 

****Warning Hypothesis Alert****

Sleepers were stuck in the W-Space cluster. Possibly they were meant to be tied to one system (1). But due to the natural worm holes linking the W-Space they could roam further than intended, since WH's provide a much short path between two points and would confuse their CTC.

But they had a plan. Micro wormholes(2) allowed them to listen in on the FTL comms of sections of K-space. Somewhere in W-Space they build a massive listening/data accquistion construct and feed all the captured data into it. They hack several hives of rogue drones to collect Isogen 5. And one day they get lucky. The Amarr heir dies and is cloned. They edit her(5) and add in lots of stuff. Most importantly, they give her a map to an old Terran artifact near the EVE gate.
I don't think the artifact was intended as a weapon, it's location and dependance on Isogen-5 suggests to me that it was a tool to manipulate wormholes, possibly an attempt to stabilise the EVE gate.

This is where the Sleeper plan starts to go wrong.
The Minmatar turn up and the artifact is used as a weapon. When it hits a shield(3), the shield acts as a containment system for the blast and crushes the target. Cue everyone and his dog starting rumours of a Super Weapon and lots of Iso-5 research. Eventually the Blood Raiders and the SOE find it.

What I think was supposed to happen is that the Amar would find the artifact and then use it to create a handful of stable WHs to W-Space around large blue stars and free the Sleepers.

What actually happened is that someone lit the blue touch paper early. Rather than forming WHs the isogen explosions torn the photosphere of the nearest star and blew open the micro WHs in the 'echo' places. But not in a controlled fashion. Unstable WHs form and dissipate as we now see.

Which leaves the Sleepers screwed. Presumably the intention was to move their entire civilization out of W-Space into K-space. But the only way to do that now is in dribs and drabs through constantly changing maze of tiny tunnels rather than the large stable route that was planned. And what ever does get out has to face us. With guns. Lots of guns.

Which leaves us with the Mirror. Not the looking glass kind at all. What would you do with all the captured data you've stored? You would back it up of course...

Or I may have just pulled this out of the air...

Auwnie Morohe
Posted - 2010.11.25 17:02:00 - [456]
 

Elanamere : I have had micro wormholes in the back of my mind for a long while now, no pun intended, and also as information conduit. If you can make wormholes to fly through like I think the Talocan did you can make tiny ones to shorten your internet connection. Especially since there are scientists today that think they might be creating them with the LHC. Didnt someone mention particle accelerators somewhere.

The gravimetric and shields connection is very interesting. If you add to that the Cartesian temporal coordinator and it becomes even more interesting. I said in the thread dedicated to the Cartesian Temporal Coordinator that it sounded like something to do with Gravitational time dilation. The shields thing might also point towards this.

I dont think the Sleeper are where they are by accident. I even think they arent very happy with the wormholes. We call it wormhole space but before the Seyllin incident there probably were no wormhole in w-space except for the micro onces.Cool

Elanamere
Caldari
Oxytocin Pair Bond Corp
Posted - 2010.11.25 17:26:00 - [457]
 

Edited by: Elanamere on 25/11/2010 17:37:36
I'm pretty sure there were WHs in W-space before Seylin. There doesn't seem to be any other FTL method in W-space and it seems unlikely that the Sleepers have spread so quickly in such a short time. It looks more likely it was a closed system that Seylin broke into.

And I agree, the Sleepers are not happy to be stuck there. It is possible they were happy at some point though... Depends on whether they were put there or moved there and got stuck.

edit: Actually the shields -> gravimetric thing looks like a bust. I just thought of a test, shield rigs use hydromagnetics skills to build, not gravimetric as that theory would require.

Veriasse Valence
Gallente
Es and Whizz
Hedonistic Imperative
Posted - 2010.11.25 18:42:00 - [458]
 

Originally by: Elanamere
Edited by: Elanamere on 25/11/2010 17:37:36
I'm pretty sure there were WHs in W-space before Seylin. There doesn't seem to be any other FTL method in W-space and it seems unlikely that the Sleepers have spread so quickly in such a short time. It looks more likely it was a closed system that Seylin broke into.

And I agree, the Sleepers are not happy to be stuck there. It is possible they were happy at some point though... Depends on whether they were put there or moved there and got stuck.

edit: Actually the shields -> gravimetric thing looks like a bust. I just thought of a test, shield rigs use hydromagnetics skills to build, not gravimetric as that theory would require.


For the record, hydromagnetic theories can involve stars, specifically sunspots, and galaxy formation. But of course I am thinking specifically of stars in this context. Perhaps somebody with an actual understanding of this could take a stab at it?

Roga Dracor
Caldari
Mental Disorders Inc.
Posted - 2010.11.25 18:44:00 - [459]
 

Edited by: Roga Dracor on 25/11/2010 18:44:47
What is a (Society) of (Conscious Thought)?

Society > [a group of people related to each other through persistent relations]

Conscious Thought > [a subjective stream of knowledge and intent directed to seeking a purpose or preposition]

So one has to wonder how long they have been infomorphs? Or they could be aliens. Ascended Masters? Sounds alot like High Magicians. Maybe it's L. Ron Hubbard behind all this..

BTW, Happy Turkey Day to all who celebrate it.

Umega
Solis Mensa
Posted - 2010.11.26 21:00:00 - [460]
 

Originally by: Elanamere
****Warning Hypothesis Alert****
......................



I have one big problem with this hypothesis.. the Why.

Why would they want to move to K-space? What exactly is the difference. They both got stars, planets, this n that.. everything that makes a galaxy, a galaxy. I find this to be one big hole in your theory. Feels like the most important piece if you figure it out and apply it properly to your theory. Why not move to another quadrant or another galaxy entirely that isn't full of meddling humans?

I'm glad you brought up the bit about the Terrian weapon and its effect on shielded ships. So lets draw some connective lines with that.. Terrian tech.. found by EVE Gate.. Sleeper ships do not have/use shield tech.. wait.. Terrian tech weapon.. Sleepers don't use shields. Weapon has a 'ball-lightning' like quality that steam rolls shielded ships..

That can not just be a coincidence. I have often wondered why Sleepers don't have shields and this sure looks like a very strong clue to lead to the vary reason. Those reasons could be, but not limited to..

- The Sleepers designed the weapon based on what they have gathered on Terrian tech to effect only K-space ships, and not be turned on and used against them.

- The Sleepers found out about this ability the Terrians once had somehow.. through whatever means, either by connection to SoCT (blood-stained) and what they discovered via Dagan's spying or Talocan or whatever. They figured New Eden might figure it out, and so reconfigured their own ships to not use shielding tech.

- They knew what was at the EVE Gate. They knew what it could do. They know how to construct/refit/fix it. They knew what to put in it.. and all the while.. they do not use shields. They are Terrian artifacts themselves, specificly designed to not be harmed by one of the old Terrian's potential weapons systems. (my first journy into a W-space, with the newbie feeling of awe.. I thought, this is close to Earth. Something happened in the Earth cluster, and someone purposely smashed EVE so K-space was protected by it. Home cluster lost, but not all of mankind.)

- The Sleeper ships were designed to combat Terrian tech. By who tho.. why. No clue at the moment, just another possible implication of the connection between the Abaddon weapon and Sleeper ships lack of shields.

Any other ideas? Anything else known and real that makes one of the lines between dots more bold than the others?

Roga Dracor
Caldari
Mental Disorders Inc.
Posted - 2010.11.27 01:09:00 - [461]
 

Edited by: Roga Dracor on 27/11/2010 01:12:31
Very interesting theory, think about who the best shield tankers in the game are, it's not the Caldari. And try to simplify the whole thing. You very well could have gleaned some truth out. Ignoring the Eve Gate completely, and the wormholes, for the moment.

Could not the Enclaves be SoCT kitz that Sansha has captured, he insinuates in the trailer that he has watched us for a long time. What if the Society has been recording personalities for a LONG time. Even if the alliance of Empires "killed" Sansha all those years ago, he was an early capsuleer. His datastream could have been intercepted by the SoCT, as well as any backup systems he had.

Sansha could be the enemy of the moment, all the other theorizing aside. No other boogeymen on the horizon in the near future. He could have delivered a brilliant coupe after the SoCT revived him, thinking he would serve them. He deceived his masters and acquired their technology, which he has been twisting to overcome his greatest threat, the Jove.

Ever thought about why they don't study Jovian technology?

Roga Dracor
Caldari
Mental Disorders Inc.
Posted - 2010.11.27 01:35:00 - [462]
 

Sansha corrupts the rogue drones, with Jovian technology, to start stockpiling Iso 5 in New Eden. With which he can use the Jovian superweapon hinted at in fiction. He retrofits and modifies the Jovian drones protecting the Enclaves, turns them from information gathering tools, to weapons.

He subverts the Hyperconsciousness program and starts broadcasting from wh space. All the while building his strength, and determining ours. We are an uncertain factor to him, he perhaps fears us as much as the Jove. So he has been reconoittering k space and studying us with Jovian spy equipment, the best in the cluster.

Burreau is contacted by Concord and sent in to trigger the wormhole system, perhaps locking it into some automatic repeating pattern, allowing us to enter wh space and perhaps find a way to interfere with Sansha's command and control structure.


Roga Dracor
Caldari
Mental Disorders Inc.
Posted - 2010.11.27 01:46:00 - [463]
 

Edited by: Roga Dracor on 27/11/2010 01:46:28
Why has Jamyl returned? The Jove perhaps revived her to lead her people against Sansha, no interference, as the Amarr would detect a fake Jamyl, so they return a ruthless dictator to the throne to strengthen the Empires against Sansha, which they've known about for a while now.

KaiserSoze434
Posted - 2010.11.29 07:49:00 - [464]
 

Just some interesting points. Anyone who is hardcore about this feel free to contact me as I'd love to delve deeper into this.

1. Has anyone looked at what Anoikis is? Programmed Cell Death. Solar Systems with definite entrances and exits (like static wh's) resemble a "cellular" structure. There are frequent references to infection and quarantine. Perhaps the sleepers are attempting to escape something that is systematically purging life from star systems.

2. The sleepers were researching "terran" artifacts. No one in new eden refers to themselves as terran. You get terran artifacts from terra. Having some method of wh generation maybe they did go back. It is widely believed that terra did not meed a good end. See item 1. Maybe they accidentally brought something back.

3. Several sleeper items reference potential time travel, but obviously the drones aren't interested in traveling as far as we can see. Someone mentioned that a lot of anomalies found are mass heavy like black holes. Perhaps the sleeper drones are forward in time and successful at their purge. Thats why they shoot on sight, but don't pursue.

KaiserSoze434
Posted - 2010.11.29 07:54:00 - [465]
 

Final thought. There is now an obvious Sansha/Jovian connection. Sansha technology involves manipulating the will to create slaves who maintain full analytical and imaginative skills. The Jovian disease affects the will. What would expertise in the very area their disease affects be worth to the Jovians? The Jovians exist in a region of space that is only known to be accessible via wh (thats how sansha's nation appears to be moving from there). Perhaps the sleepers, recognizing they had a 100% fatal disease quarantined themselves, went to sleep, set up an automated defense grid, and sent a colony into known space (or back in time) to hopefully find a cure?

Aynen
Posted - 2010.11.29 08:51:00 - [466]
 

It's been theorised that with the heat and preasure resistance propertese of fullerenes which Sleepers had developed, they'd be able to have their technology survive inside a star. The stars in Sleeper systems are often very high mass, like black holes and such. Now, if you wanted your drones to stay in communication with whatever you have inside those heavy stars, you'd need to compensate for the time differential from being at different distances and speeds from very heavy objects. (Einstein's relativity theory)
Perhaps this is why the drones come equiped with technology to do with time measurement vs. distance traveled?

Sorxus
Posted - 2010.12.03 21:06:00 - [467]
 

Hi. Obviously we have not enough facts and we are walking circles and guessing Smile. We should not forget that this is a game and probably we are making theories faster than ccp is creating/writing the story Smile, but from the facts we already know:
Don't think that sleepers are imprisoned there. It is similar galaxy as our "EVE" or any other, just without stations, gates etc. Now 100% percent we know is that sleepers were studying, researching various things, like eve gate. We can find black monolith near eve gate, same as in sleeper space, radar sites. So they less or more time ago were in our space. How they get here? probably through wormhole. So probably sleepers are/were the ones who were using wormholes (not talocans). Secondly, why they didn't stay in our systems if they were here earlier? They came, studied the eve gate and left, so probably the original purpose of wh's was some sort of universe exploration. From sleeper salvage and loot we can get the picture that sleepers needed to know their current coordinates, where they are and how far from their original source they came from.
Why talocans weren't the ones using the wormholes? When exploring the w-space we can see that they had some sort of acceleration gates. So why use wh's when u can use those gates? And those talocan disruption towers, maybe they are to disrupt the wormholes not to appear ( something similar like we have cyno jammers Smile)?
Also it is not likely that sleepers and talocans were the same (connected), becouse sleepers were studying talocans like they were studying eve gate or any other things.
Its logic, its based on facts Smile

Now the grand finale:
Imagine that terrans found eve gate, were sending colonists through it to colonize far away systems and suddenly that wh collapses. Wouldn't they be worried about their lost "children" on the other side? Wouldn't they have send something to find their lost children through universe, something like sleeper drones. I know, wild and not logic guess Very Happy

Aedeal
Posted - 2010.12.04 14:04:00 - [468]
 

Originally by: Roga Dracor
Edited by: Roga Dracor on 27/11/2010 01:46:28
Why has Jamyl returned? The Jove perhaps revived her to lead her people against Sansha, no interference, as the Amarr would detect a fake Jamyl, so they return a ruthless dictator to the throne to strengthen the Empires against Sansha, which they've known about for a while now.


Why the Jove? If this story is 'as old as EVE itself' then the obvious people to be meddling are the Enheduanni. They have apparently unlocked the secrets of the brain...

On another note, the Enheduanni played the empires + Jove against each other to bring down Amarrs' power, if there's anything that would scare the Enheduanni right now, it'd be the Sansha. Somewhere there's a passing reference to the 'target of your adversary being the sansha'. I wouldn't be surprised at all if the Enheduanni are behind at least half of this.

Aedeal
Posted - 2010.12.04 14:37:00 - [469]
 

Originally by: KaiserSoze434
Final thought. There is now an obvious Sansha/Jovian connection. Sansha technology involves manipulating the will to create slaves who maintain full analytical and imaginative skills. The Jovian disease affects the will. What would expertise in the very area their disease affects be worth to the Jovians? The Jovians exist in a region of space that is only known to be accessible via wh (thats how sansha's nation appears to be moving from there). Perhaps the sleepers, recognizing they had a 100% fatal disease quarantined themselves, went to sleep, set up an automated defense grid, and sent a colony into known space (or back in time) to hopefully find a cure?


The enheduanni would have a better claim to brain-manipulation. Given that they can create clones with fully functioning memories...

Allant Doran
Amarr
Locus Industries
Posted - 2010.12.04 17:10:00 - [470]
 

The last few comments have gotten me thinking.

what do we factually know for definite about the Enheduanni?

Are they their own race that the Jove is at war with? Is it one of the races we currently know of? Is it a metaphor for an event or some kind of specific plague or weapon itself?

Roga Dracor
Caldari
Mental Disorders Inc.
Posted - 2010.12.04 17:27:00 - [471]
 


I think the Enhuadanni are similar, or perhaps, the result of, the HyperConsciousness Program.

The Society, and perhaps several factions of the Jove, have been experimenting with the eight circuits of human consciousness. The first four are the "survival instincts". They are controlled by the left side of the brain. The upper four are controlled by the right side of the brain.

These "higher" brain functions are being developed for an unknown purpose. They have tried differing methods, all seem to be less than successful.

The Unsullied approached it using cyber implants into the human brain. The Modifiers tried it though making the brain more like a computer. And the Existentialists got rid of the brain altogether, and imprinted their consciousness into a machine. Three Jovian factions fighting four Jovian factions and all the poor Sleepers turned into data for the HyperCon people to fiddle with. Of course, this is just conjecture on my part.

Allant Doran
Amarr
Locus Industries
Posted - 2010.12.04 17:33:00 - [472]
 

Gonna have to stop you there Roga. I enjoy your posts a lot and appreciate your enthusiasm on this board but I specifically asked for Factual evidence on the Enheduanni and you started your post with;

Originally by: Roga Dracor

I think the Enhuadanni are similar, or perhaps, the result of, the HyperConsciousness Program.



Focus man! WinkLaughing

Roga Dracor
Caldari
Mental Disorders Inc.
Posted - 2010.12.04 17:34:00 - [473]
 

Edited by: Roga Dracor on 04/12/2010 17:38:31
The Enhuadanni are what some Jovians have been striving to become. Whether they are humans that arose from Terra, or they were evolved in New Eden, they are what HyCon is attempting to emulate.

It is factual, the Jove said, in fiction, that they were NOT YET able to do what the Enhuadanni can do. That means they are attempting to close the gap. They want to be what the Enhuadanni are.

And from what has been said of the monoliths, they are a direct link to the Enhuadanni.

Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari
Guiding Hand Social Club
Posted - 2010.12.04 17:39:00 - [474]
 

Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 04/12/2010 17:41:48
Originally by: Allant Doran
The last few comments have gotten me thinking.

what do we factually know for definite about the Enheduanni?

Are they their own race that the Jove is at war with? Is it one of the races we currently know of? Is it a metaphor for an event or some kind of specific plague or weapon itself?


The only reference to them is in Theodicy. What we know:

- They can remotely commandeer ships.
- They can speak directly into your thoughts.
- Absolute mastery of quantum physics and particle science.
- They employ non-linear teleportation (travel without stargates/WHs/jumpdrives.)

And...

Originally by: Theodicy
Viola thought about his response for a moment, then found the Jovian's pitch black eyes staring at hers. "Grious, are the Enheduanni human?"

"Not anymore."


This passage is the foundation of my theory that what awaits on the other side of Eve, is technological singularity.

Humanity there evolved to a point where it couldn't be called human anymore. Humanity on our side of the Eve gate is being maintained as a last refuge, and the Jovians - being descended from pre-fall humans - are trying to recapture elements of evolution lost to them over 20,000+ years modifying their genome in New Eden. The four empires being a mere petri dish for them to distill and culture elements of mankind, which they can then re-incorporate into themselves.

Anyway, yeah. A theory.

(What's fascinating is, in Eve's beta, I roleplayed a Caldari megacorp CEO (Endless Corporation) manipulated by entities living in unknown space. These entities could also speak into your mind, and guide you to great success based upon their whims... and the only way to access their realm was through a modified "incursion gate." I can't help but wonder if those early stories ended up inspiring someone ;)

Roga Dracor
Caldari
Mental Disorders Inc.
Posted - 2010.12.04 17:46:00 - [475]
 

Edited by: Roga Dracor on 04/12/2010 17:56:24
The big question is, who does Grious represent. The Jovian Assembly, the Society, or another Jovian faction?

And the way I read it, it was Grious and the Jove who commandeered the Gallente ship.

Finally, I saw a lot of conjecture about the chronicle, Xenocracy.. The problem everyone had was the way the capsuleer was depicted. Ever thought maybe it wasn't a capsuleer, per se? There is a faction that has "pilots" similar to capsuleers, who don't use a pod.

True Slaves, are they using planetary interface to fund their operations?

Allant Doran
Amarr
Locus Industries
Posted - 2010.12.04 18:03:00 - [476]
 

Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 04/12/2010 17:41:48
Originally by: Allant Doran
The last few comments have gotten me thinking.

what do we factually know for definite about the Enheduanni?

Are they their own race that the Jove is at war with? Is it one of the races we currently know of? Is it a metaphor for an event or some kind of specific plague or weapon itself?


The only reference to them is in Theodicy. What we know:

- They can remotely commandeer ships.
- They can speak directly into your thoughts.
- Absolute mastery of quantum physics and particle science.
- They employ non-linear teleportation (travel without stargates/WHs/jumpdrives.)

And...

Originally by: Theodicy
Viola thought about his response for a moment, then found the Jovian's pitch black eyes staring at hers. "Grious, are the Enheduanni human?"

"Not anymore."


This passage is the foundation of my theory that what awaits on the other side of Eve, is technological singularity.

Humanity there evolved to a point where it couldn't be called human anymore. Humanity on our side of the Eve gate is being maintained as a last refuge, and the Jovians - being descended from pre-fall humans - are trying to recapture elements of evolution lost to them over 20,000+ years modifying their genome in New Eden. The four empires being a mere petri dish for them to distill and culture elements of mankind, which they can then re-incorporate into themselves.

Anyway, yeah. A theory.

(What's fascinating is, in Eve's beta, I roleplayed a Caldari megacorp CEO (Endless Corporation) manipulated by entities living in unknown space. These entities could also speak into your mind, and guide you to great success based upon their whims... and the only way to access their realm was through a modified "incursion gate." I can't help but wonder if those early stories ended up inspiring someone ;)


Thanks Shogaatsu, just the answer i was looking for :)

Although that makes me think of something. I don't know how Relevant it is but the only part of the Macaper Prophecy i couldn't figure out was the ''One becomes Four when Four become One'' or something.

Can't help but feel like that line has some connection to the Jove, possibly, trying to use all 4 Empires genetic structure to reintroduce one evolutionary human Genome.
*shrugs*

Anyway, thanks for the reply. The Enheduanni seem pretty intimidating :)

Roga Dracor
Caldari
Mental Disorders Inc.
Posted - 2010.12.04 19:01:00 - [477]
 

Edited by: Roga Dracor on 04/12/2010 19:24:16
Back at the beginning of all this conjecture, the Oruze Construct was brought up and layed to the side, uninterpreted. Just noticed a few correlations. There is a system in game named Oruze. Yes, I know, there is an Oruse, too. There is also a chronicle called "The Vitra(uze) Project.

We know Vitra means life or living. So what is the context of uze? What I get from wiki is an ancient Catholic Dioces in France, or a religious commune. Connected with a SoE Project. Involving a woman, a "High Priestess" who by her own musings, is contemporary to the Eve Gate and a scientific project going on for centuries.

She is able to enter the "Sleeper Network", even after entering an incorrect password, which happens to be a Locus (wonder which one?). She then has a chat with someone she apparently has had some kind of involvement with, who is resident in the network, and tells her to get out.

She also muses about a host of projects that she is not involved with, implying other ancient scientists muddling about in Eve. The Reverend Mother is portayed as being Jovian, likely an Elder.

Then, two people discuss the incident, people who have intimate knowledge of events transpiring in Eve. One is Caldari, one is Gallente, or are they? Maybe they are both Jovian. Implanted into the two Empires for an unknown purpose.

Doctor Carbonatite
Corporation for Public Broadcasting
Posted - 2010.12.30 20:52:00 - [478]
 

Originally by: Calathea Sata
Edited by: Calathea Sata on 05/11/2010 21:06:07
http://www.atlasoftheuniverse.com/

http://www.atlasoftheuniverse.com/globular.html

I disagree with the above post about Myxx's message. Actually I think there is little ground on which you can say W-space is even anywhere near Milky Way. There is just no evidence whatsoever that suggests W-space is one of those clusters. Even so, it isn't a unique feature of Milky Way. Hell, the stars on the skybox in our game is UNIFORM...

I would also like to suggest that New Eden isn't even within 28 billion LY from Earth. See the last picture on the atlas "The Visible Universe". It's a sphere with a radius of 14b LY, because of natural physical contraints we cannot see any further out. This visible sphere is like a scan probe; if New Eden is within 28b LY from Earth that means the universe from New Eden's point of view ("the second probe") will have overlapped areas with the first one, thus revealing the relative positions of the two places.

Because of "Humans arrived through a natural wormhole and, gazing up upon an alien sky they had never seen, were completely unable to determine where this new world was located." (Quoted from here) that implies that New Eden isn't even within 28b LY from Milky Way.

There are 350 billion galaxies (Milky Way is one) within this 14b LY sphere.


Actually, the wormhole not transversing time would make it more difficult to locate yourself. It's currently estimated that in 3-5 billion years, the Milky Way and Andromeda galaxies will collide. If you're 3 billion LY away, you will see our region as it was 3 billion years ago. And we don't know what that would look like, what galaxies would still be in existence, what clusters hadn't collided yet, etc. Many of the points we use for celestial reconstructions on Earth today would not even exist yet as far as the EVE cluster is concerned. You don't have to go much further than a few hundred million LY for the sky to become unrecognizeable.

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I'd like to pose a question: Why are there local physical phenomena in W-space systems which effect ships? What is it that causes a breakdown of the normal laws of physics? Either they were selected for colonization by the Talocan because local physics were different (and maybe somehow facilitated the type of research they were doing) or whatever the Talocan did caused the instability. The Chronicles refer to a weapon. What if you gained the ability to cause any star-system to have changes in the laws of physics on a local level? That sounds like a hell of a weapon to me. The SOCT would just love to get their hands on that.


Henri Rearden asked that back in July (see page 5 of this thread). This seems prescient, given that it has been stated that Sansha incursions will alter entire solar systems in manners similar to the local phenomena of W-Space. Looks like someone beat the Society to the punch.

Also, there's all this talk of a plague/disease affecting the Talocan and/or Sleepers, yet I've only seen one mention (not in this thread, forget where I saw it) of the most obvious culprit: The Kyonoke Pit Virus. There was even a major RP debacle over the summer where a Sansha fleet entered the Quarantine area (note this word keeps popping up) and obtained samples.

Doctor Carbonatite
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Posted - 2010.12.30 20:55:00 - [479]
 

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What if Truth was like a tiny speck of sand? A speck that has been washed and weighed, polished, smoothed and curbed into one shiny point, the Universal Truth. What if we could take this grain of sand and collect it into a book? We would treasure the book like our own life. We would lock it with the purpose of our mind. And when we craved the truth we would open it up and let the grains wash over us. We would soak ourselves in its depth and bask in its radiance.


Someone posted that quote from The Truth Serum Chronicle. Is it just me, or does it strike a note with this chronicle as well?

Alana Kel
Posted - 2010.12.31 08:18:00 - [480]
 

Originally by: Doctor Carbonatite
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What if Truth was like a tiny speck of sand? A speck that has been washed and weighed, polished, smoothed and curbed into one shiny point, the Universal Truth. What if we could take this grain of sand and collect it into a book? We would treasure the book like our own life. We would lock it with the purpose of our mind. And when we craved the truth we would open it up and let the grains wash over us. We would soak ourselves in its depth and bask in its radiance.


Someone posted that quote from The Truth Serum Chronicle. Is it just me, or does it strike a note with this chronicle as well?

Yes and Yes.


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