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Arklan1
Dunedain Rangers
Posted - 2010.08.07 02:39:00 - [271]
 

thread make head hurt... must read more!

Toot O'Rien
Posted - 2010.08.07 02:48:00 - [272]
 

I inhabited a class 3 wspace that has a hisec static d845 roughly every 24 hours. I have scanned several k162 exits into inhabited C3 wormholes from hisec when I was exploring for another one.

Solden Koopjes
Posted - 2010.08.07 07:01:00 - [273]
 

Originally by: Auwnie Morohe
That combined with the Oruze Construct looking somewhat like an eclipsed sun could be connected. The reasoning being the combination of planet and sun producing Isogen-5.


sure and the planets in eve revolve around their sun ... NOT

I think you're look a bit too far.

Ellis Croix
Posted - 2010.08.07 07:09:00 - [274]
 

A friend suggested I write down this simple theory.

Oruze Osobnyk

If Oruze is Star and Osobnyk is House or Fortification, could it translate to Star Base, or function as one for the Sleepers? From above, it looks a lot like a Gallente station.

Sophia Brons
Posted - 2010.08.07 09:02:00 - [275]
 

Originally by: Ellis Croix
A friend suggested I write down this simple theory.

Oruze Osobnyk

If Oruze is Star and Osobnyk is House or Fortification, could it translate to Star Base, or function as one for the Sleepers? From above, it looks a lot like a Gallente station.


Which is a good thought since the chronicles speak of the resemblance with abandoned cities. But this insight doesn't bring us any closer to why and who.

Auwnie Morohe
Posted - 2010.08.07 09:41:00 - [276]
 

Originally by: Solden Koopjes
sure and the planets in eve revolve around their sun ... NOT


Since this is about a fiction, they do.

What i was getting at was the significance of the eclipsed blue sun. And trying to find a plausible reason. The Empyrean Age novel makes note of a blue ring of fire as a quote from The book of trials and with a relation to an ancient kingdom and powers of demons.(Ametat and Avetat?, Tahkmal?)

Selvis
Caldari
Firebird Squadron
Terra-Incognita
Posted - 2010.08.07 18:09:00 - [277]
 

Originally by: Auwnie Morohe
Does anyone know what kind of planet the Seyllin one was before it was split in half? And what about the other planets that got Isogen-5ed? It is just a hunch but I remember reading about one of those drone pockets being directly in the shadow of a planet. I think it was in the empyrean age novel so maybe it is not related.

That combined with the Oruze Construct looking somewhat like an eclipsed sun could be connected. The reasoning being the combination of planet and sun producing Isogen-5.


A complete list of 'Shattered' planets are as follows:

Empire Systems:
Seyllin (Essence)

Nullsec Systems:
T-IPZB (Delve)
SL-YBS (Great Wildlands)
Z8-8IT (Immensea)
3HQC-6 (Outer Ring)
EAWE-2 (Stain)
35RK-9 (Syndicate)

Jovian Space*:
PE1-R1 (UUA-F4)

W-Space:
J164104 (Class 3)
J115422 (Class 5)

*The system in Jovian space is likely a PI testing ground for CCP, as it has at least one planet of every type in system. Still, I'm putting it on the list for the sake of completeness.

Something to keep in mind though...

Originally by: "http://www.eveonline.com/background/potw/default.asp?cid=11-03-09"
"No matter how hard I try," Empress Jamyl said softly, her clothes drenched with perspiration. "Death follows me everywhere I go."

Caretaker drones gently helped her sit upright in the bed of her chambers. Servants no longer looked after her when she confronted her demons. Lord Victor ended the practice not for concern of their safety, but to keep her private affairs as far from the public eye as possible.

"We won't know the full extent of the damage for some time," he said, taking a flask of water from the drone and handing it to her. "You're sure the Sansha weren't a target of your adversary?"

"No more than Seyllin, or the Great Wildlands, or anywhere else this catastrophe has stricken," she said, accepting the water and downing it. "Yet even this is nothing compared with what is to come."

Victor raised an eyebrow. The Sansha were always a prime surveillance and acquisition interest for Imperial intelligence. Their advances in cybernetic technology provided the live realization for the kinds of medical experiments that Amarrian scientists could only dream of. The Sansha have long known that they were being watched, and that errant ships had been captured and dissected by Victor's own men from time to time. He wondered if the Empire would be blamed for the destruction of one of their worlds.

"They won't," Jamyl answered, hearing Victor's thoughts as if they were her own. "They don't mourn their dead the way we do. And besides…"

A drone extended an arm to help her stand. It was a strange sight, seeing a woman this physically strong rely on a machine just to stand on her feet. "…they'll be looking in the same direction as us for answers: far, far away from New Eden."


Also, Seyllin 1 was most likely a Barren world before the March 10th event, given it's description in the same chronicle:

Originally by: [url="http://www.eveonline.com/background/potw/default.asp?cid=11-03-09"
Devoid of any atmosphere, Seyllin I was a hellish world whose daytime surface temperature soared high enough to turn lead into molten slag.

Auwnie Morohe
Posted - 2010.08.07 19:10:00 - [278]
 

I did some digging myself too.

The Jove one is definitely the odd one out. All other shattered planets are the first except the Jove it is the seventh. Also the color of the star is off. If this was intentionally done, which I cant believe it isnt since CCP did a big overhaul of the planets with Tyrannis if Im not mistaken, it adds a lot to the Jove being responsible for wormholes theory.

Rep Selvis
Posted - 2010.08.07 20:11:00 - [279]
 

Edited by: Rep Selvis on 07/08/2010 20:12:22
Originally by: Auwnie Morohe
I did some digging myself too.

The Jove one is definitely the odd one out. All other shattered planets are the first except the Jove it is the seventh. Also the color of the star is off. If this was intentionally done, which I cant believe it isnt since CCP did a big overhaul of the planets with Tyrannis if Im not mistaken, it adds a lot to the Jove being responsible for wormholes theory.


I was suggesting that the PE1-R1 shattered world be disregarded, actually, given that it's in a region that CCP has used as a testing ground both currently (look up the sovereignty of the CCP Engineering Alliance sometime, as well as the region that Polaris is in), and in the past. It's a shattered world, but not one we should be looking at in relation to the current situation.

EDIT: Wrong character, my bad. Should be obvious who I am.

Jowen Datloran
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
Posted - 2010.08.07 22:24:00 - [280]
 

Originally by: Auwnie Morohe
I did some digging myself too.

The Jove one is definitely the odd one out. All other shattered planets are the first except the Jove it is the seventh. Also the color of the star is off. If this was intentionally done, which I cant believe it isnt since CCP did a big overhaul of the planets with Tyrannis if Im not mistaken, it adds a lot to the Jove being responsible for wormholes theory.


Careful not to dig a hole for yourself. Wink

Selvis has already nicely pointed out why the planet in "Jove" (CCP) space doesn't count in the master scheme.

Well, unless you want to prove that CCP was behind creating the wormholes, that is. I think you might be on to something then...

Auwnie Morohe
Posted - 2010.08.07 23:20:00 - [281]
 

I know, I know. Has anyone seen my shovel?

So how many ours of testing did it take to see that the pop up that says you cant do PI on this planet worked correctly.Very Happy

Also the description of the shattered planets makes a specific point to say that all shattered planets in the New Eden cluster met their fate in the Seyllin incident.

And how easy would it be to make it the first planet around a blue star if it was just for testing. Maybe there are no blue stars in Jove space.

And those Sansha people hanging around in Jove space were just testing their new implants.Cool

Selvis
Caldari
Firebird Squadron
Terra-Incognita
Posted - 2010.08.08 02:18:00 - [282]
 

Originally by: Auwnie Morohe (quote edited for linebreaks)
I know, I know. Has anyone seen my shovel?
So how many ours of testing did it take to see that the pop up that says you cant do PI on this planet worked correctly.Very Happy
Also the description of the shattered planets makes a specific point to say that all shattered planets in the New Eden cluster met their fate in the Seyllin incident.
And how easy would it be to make it the first planet around a blue star if it was just for testing. Maybe there are no blue stars in Jove space.
And those Sansha people hanging around in Jove space were just testing their new implants.Cool


I think our good friend Occam may have something to say about that, honestly. Two possibilities have been proposed regarding PE1-R1:

1. It's an existent but non-relevant entity in the population of shattered worlds, put into place by CCP in a system two jumps from their main testing system, in a region that is disconnected from both Jovian-held space and the wider cluster that we the players are allowed into.

2. It's an important but impossible to reach planet in a system that has both the wrong stellar type and planetary location to conform to the pattern we've seen in every system touched by main-sequence anomalies so far. A clue that is forever out of our reach, save some sort of plot twist that completely out of left field.

Which is more likely?


Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
Posted - 2010.08.08 08:30:00 - [283]
 

Auwnie Morohe said "And those Sansha people hanging around in Jove space were just testing their new implants. "
I missed this myself till it was pointed out on the Jove channel. It wasn't any old Jove system but the Jove capital system the Sansha were hanging about. Apparently according to the map a large amount of ships have been destroyed before the screenshot was taken suggesting a large fight took place and with the Sansha being the only ships on show after the fight I assume they won.

Being the Jove capital system is confirmed. The 2nd fact is unconfirmed.

Auwnie Morohe
Posted - 2010.08.08 10:31:00 - [284]
 

Edited by: Auwnie Morohe on 08/08/2010 10:49:36
Originally by: Selvis
I think our good friend Occam may have something to say about that, honestly.


I dont know this guy. So which one does he like better?

The fact that it is out of reach is an important storyline fact.

It actually comes down to how much credit you give CCP. If you believe that for those countless ours of testing shattered planets they made sure the test planet, that is part of a historic event and is "visible" to the entire cluster, sticks out like a sore thumb. Or you think they do have half a brain and they realized this important test planet is going to be looked at a lot since it plays a part in most important event in New Eden recent history.

I give them the benefit of the doubt.Very Happy

Edit:Or do I? Seems like the planet was added with Tyrannis.

Selvis
Caldari
Firebird Squadron
Terra-Incognita
Posted - 2010.08.08 12:24:00 - [285]
 

Originally by: Auwnie Morohe
Edited by: Auwnie Morohe on 08/08/2010 10:49:36
Originally by: Selvis
I think our good friend Occam may have something to say about that, honestly.

I dont know this guy. So which one does he like better?



Occam's Razor

Brother Philbert
Posted - 2010.08.08 21:10:00 - [286]
 

can anyone give me a quick rundown of what has been discovered, or at least strongly proven as reading through this has sparked my interest and i would love to start to investigate this myself.

Wyke Mossari
Gallente
Posted - 2010.08.08 21:41:00 - [287]
 

Originally by: Pottsey

I missed this myself till it was pointed out on the Jove channel. It wasn't any old Jove system but the Jove capital system the Sansha were hanging about. Apparently according to the map a large amount of ships have been destroyed before the screenshot was taken suggesting a large fight took place and with the Sansha being the only ships on show after the fight I assume they won.

Being the Jove capital system is confirmed. The 2nd fact is unconfirmed.



I not sure I agree, I leaning more towards the ****up theory.

Jove Space is the normal space of the CCP Staffers, including the content team. Past events triggered the creation of the over sight dept and procedures that prevent staffers just spawning stuff. However the content team needs a ready supply of ships to progress the Sansha invasion storyline and they inhabit Dev Space which happens to be Jove sovereignty. However word gets out, picture of said ships is acquired, plotline & story now needs to be reworked to account for this, hence the sudden halt and slow progress recently.


Selvis
Caldari
Firebird Squadron
Terra-Incognita
Posted - 2010.08.08 23:29:00 - [288]
 

Originally by: Wyke Mossari
Originally by: Pottsey

snip


I not sure I agree, I leaning more towards the ****up theory.

Jove Space is the normal space of the CCP Staffers, including the content team. Past events triggered the creation of the over sight dept and procedures that prevent staffers just spawning stuff. However the content team needs a ready supply of ships to progress the Sansha invasion storyline and they inhabit Dev Space which happens to be Jove sovereignty. However word gets out, picture of said ships is acquired, plotline & story now needs to be reworked to account for this, hence the sudden halt and slow progress recently.



Actually, the region you're thinking of is UUA-F4, a region in the same general area, disconnected from both Jove-held space and the rest of the Cluster. CCP Engineering Alliance held some sovereignty up in the north of the region last I checked, and Polaris and another system (RU-97T) are disconnected systems belonging to the region as well. If you don't know about Polaris, that is the GM home system.

Regarding the images of the Sansha fleet in 3-C1ER, it was handed down by a Dev, CCP Actor, or GM to Mouse Nell him/herself after he/she (trying to be respectful, I'm going to talk myself off a cliff, I think Embarassed) RPed the act of magnetically attaching a sensor package to the side of one of the retreating Sansha dropships during the Huttaken Incursion. Go convo Mouse up if you don't believe me.

Hope this clears some things up.

Jacob Holland
Gallente
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
Posted - 2010.08.10 07:45:00 - [289]
 

Originally by: Auwnie Morohe
I did some digging myself too.

The Jove one is definitely the odd one out. All other shattered planets are the first except the Jove it is the seventh. Also the color of the star is off. If this was intentionally done, which I cant believe it isnt since CCP did a big overhaul of the planets with Tyrannis if Im not mistaken, it adds a lot to the Jove being responsible for wormholes theory.

Not all shattered planets were created simultaneously.

Seylin and the rest were shattered by their star, massive coronal discharge, which seems to have been triggered by the detonation of Isogen-5 stores in some form of quantum entanglement. If the Jove planet had been shattered in a similar manner then why would it be the seventh planet around the wrong kind of sun?

The explanation for the Jovian Shattered planet therefore must be something separate, something, for example, like this.

Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
Posted - 2010.08.10 08:46:00 - [290]
 

Wyke Mossari said " Jove Space is the normal space of the CCP Staffers, including the content team. Past events triggered the creation of the over sight dept and procedures that prevent staffers just spawning stuff."
Actually no. Jove space is normally left alone. The space of CCP staffer, GM's and the like is Polaris space to the right of Jove space. Polaris space also being where the PvP tournaments are hold.

3-C1ER is outside the CCP staff area and being the Jove capital system I think it was chosen for a reason.

Auwnie Morohe
Posted - 2010.08.10 10:32:00 - [291]
 

Quote:
Shattered worlds were once terrestrial planets, torn asunder by some immense cataclysm. All such worlds in the New Eden cluster are products of the disastrous stellar events that occurred during the "Seyllin Incident". However, reports continue to circulate of similar planets discovered in the unmapped systems reached exclusively through unstable wormholes. How these met their fate, if indeed they exist at all, is unknown.


It seems that I was wrong.Sad The UUA-F4 region does not seem to be Jove space at all.Embarassed

It would be nice if stuff that gets put onto TQ even if it is for testing purposes was storyline consistent. I think if it isnt it should be regarded a bug. In this case it is actually not that hard, unless there is something more to discover with regard to the shattered planets, to make it just fit in with the other planets.

Anyone else have some theories they would like to be peer reviewed?Cool

khazak mokl
Amarr
Black Viper Nomads
Posted - 2010.08.10 11:02:00 - [292]
 

I recently petitioned about the C4 site intergrated terminus which as we know doesnt spawn when u warp to them. This is the reply I got.

Greetings,

These anomalies have actually been deactivated, because there were technical problems with the Terminus Stream. Once this is fixed, they will be turned on again. For the time being those anomalies will remain empty. We apologize for any inconveniences this might have caused.

Best Regards,
GM Ochlavita
The EVE Online Customer Support Team



Whats a terminus stream Very Happy

Maybe its what were missing to pull this together into a picture we can agree on

Ivvor
Posted - 2010.08.10 12:14:00 - [293]
 

Originally by: khazak mokl

Whats a terminus stream Very Happy

Maybe its what were missing to pull this together into a picture we can agree on


Its description reads:

'The material being ejected from this wormhole consists of hydrogen, oxygen, silicon, iron, and other materials usually only found in those states and frequency on terrestrial planets.'

Maybe planets get shattered and then the useful parts sucked up through a wormhole into some kind of processing facility? It'll be interesting to visit this site when it's fixed. Note however that apparently these things have been spotted in k-space also, so it may not be important.

This does make me wonder though if perhaps our lack of real progress in unravelling the Sleeper mystery is perhaps at least in part down to other potential interactions not working as intended. I hope somebody on the content team has checked...


khazak mokl
Amarr
Black Viper Nomads
Posted - 2010.08.10 13:38:00 - [294]
 

Originally by: Ivvor
Originally by: khazak mokl

Whats a terminus stream Very Happy

Maybe its what were missing to pull this together into a picture we can agree on


Its description reads:

'The material being ejected from this wormhole consists of hydrogen, oxygen, silicon, iron, and other materials usually only found in those states and frequency on terrestrial planets.'

Maybe planets get shattered and then the useful parts sucked up through a wormhole into some kind of processing facility? It'll be interesting to visit this site when it's fixed. Note however that apparently these things have been spotted in k-space also, so it may not be important.

This does make me wonder though if perhaps our lack of real progress in unravelling the Sleeper mystery is perhaps at least in part down to other potential interactions not working as intended. I hope somebody on the content team has checked...




Where are u getting this discription from?
can u link it please?

Very Happy

Auwnie Morohe
Posted - 2010.08.10 13:51:00 - [295]
 

Originally by: Ivvor
This does make me wonder though if perhaps our lack of real progress in unravelling the Sleeper mystery is perhaps at least in part down to other potential interactions not working as intended. I hope somebody on the content team has checked...


I think I have made a lot of progress to be honest. I started at zero not a long while ago but still I feel there are a lot of things that are worth noticing that I never heard anyone talk about. Just not anything concrete or that I would like to share until I tested out some things.

Did anyone ever notice that when you look closely at the sails of the Zephyr it has what looks like a red nebula reflected in it. Significant? Yes/no? Discuss.Very Happy I think yes


Ivvor
Posted - 2010.08.10 14:13:00 - [296]
 

Originally by: khazak mokl


Where are u getting this discription from?
can u link it please?




I actually got it straight out of the latest database dump, but if you google it you'll get a link to various sites that list the items database and a few forum threads discussing the item.

Auwnie Morohe
Posted - 2010.08.12 11:02:00 - [297]
 

Seem like everybody is on vacation.Cool

Originally by: Auwnie Morohe
It seems that I was wrong.Sad The UUA-F4 region does not seem to be Jove space at all.Embarassed


It seem that I was wrong about being wrong.Very Happy

It is amazing how every day I find new little bits of information about this Sleeper mystery. Did anyone know that the Jamyl super weapon was actually caught on tape. I didnt. It looks awesome.Wink

Sibylla Aldanar
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2010.08.12 19:35:00 - [298]
 

Yes, practically everyone knows that the Battle of Mekhios is included in the Empyrean Age trailer...Wink

Tyrion Moath
Browncoat Industries
Rura-Penthe
Posted - 2010.08.13 05:56:00 - [299]
 

Many pages back somebody suggested that the locus signatures of wormholes reminded them of a 24 hour clock missing the first 10 hours. This sounds like an interesting idea, and I decided it would be interesting at least to figure out what they would look like if plotted on a circle at an integer range based on the class of wormhole it was... For example, J100001 is a class 4, so its point would be at almost exactly 10 oclock, at a distance of 4 units from the center.

I'm running into a few problems, though. Firstly, how to extract the names of all the wormhole systems easily. Second, how to convert the system names to either degrees or radians so it can be easily plotted. I think I might have to go through by hand and put in the class of all 2499 systems though...

Thoughts, suggestions, feel like pointing out how crazily ridiculous this sounds and what an utter waste of time it will be? :)

Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
Posted - 2010.08.13 08:16:00 - [300]
 

Auwnie Morohe said "Seem like everybody is on vacation. "
Well I cannot speak for the others but I for one have hit a dead end. Not found new information for a while. I have a theory that covers everything from who and why but without more information I cannot disprove or prove it (The Jove, Sleeper theory). To top it off I have not found an active wormhole corp to join during my time zone.

With the current information there is no way we are a user base are going to form consensus about one single theory. So unless there is something major we are all missing to still be found in game I personally don't believe we will make much more progress.

I am not giving up, but short of finding time to read the newest novel and hoping a clue is in there I am out of ideas for now.


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