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Shigsy
NibbleTek
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.01.29 18:11:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Shigsy on 29/01/2010 18:12:23
Recently, CCP has been trying to cover up "The Larkonisgate Scandal". Ingame, his CSM 3 Medal was removed from his character, despite Larkonis's dedication to the CSM. Many of the players proprosals were voted in by larkonis, and he helped change Eve-Online for the greater good. He was voted into the CSM by the community, and therefor deserves his medal, unlike others who weren't voted in, yet were defaulted a medal because of Larkonisgate.

Not only this, but it appears CCP are trying to airbrush this whole incident from history. On their Wiki, Larkonis has been apparantly removed from the equation altogether. Personally, I think this is poor form by CCP, who gave so much to the CSM, and in return recieved so little.

The least that can be done to rectify this situation is the restore Larkonis's name to the Wiki record, and give him back his ingame Medal for his services.

Shigsy
NibbleTek
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.01.29 18:12:00 - [2]
 


Drake Draconis
Minmatar
Shadow Cadre
Shadow Confederation
Posted - 2010.01.29 18:15:00 - [3]
 

Yes... because it is perfectly acceptable for players to break Non-Disclosure Agreements/Contracts and get off scott free (as far as being perma-banned).Rolling EyesRolling Eyes

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Danny StinkyPants
Posted - 2010.01.29 18:16:00 - [4]
 

So you guys bum buddies or whut?

atrophocy
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2010.01.29 18:18:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: atrophocy on 29/01/2010 18:19:38
this all sounds most unjust, so quite probably true.

Ran Khanon
Amarr
Swords Horses and Heavy Metal

Posted - 2010.01.29 18:18:00 - [6]
 

Yes please. At least let the legacy of the great Larkonis and what he tried to achieve live on in official annals. (Which is a perfectly fine and decent English sentence).

Shigsy
NibbleTek
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.01.29 18:20:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Drake Draconis
Yes... because it is perfectly acceptable for players to break Non-Disclosure Agreements/Contracts and get off scott free (as far as being perma-banned).Rolling EyesRolling Eyes

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Non-Disclosure Agreement

He didn't disclose anything, therefor how did he break it? Rolling Eyes

Originally by: Danny StinkyPants
So you guys bum buddies or whut?


Yes

fmercury
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.01.29 18:21:00 - [8]
 

Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywher

- The Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

Supported.

Danny StinkyPants
Posted - 2010.01.29 18:23:00 - [9]
 

Oh, I see his sobbing keeps you awake at night - or he is so depressed that you aren't getting any (cookies).

El'Tar
Caldari
Genos Occidere
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.01.29 18:25:00 - [10]
 

larkonis is an independant bastion of strength, honour and justice in an otherwise dull and bleak universe

Drake Draconis
Minmatar
Shadow Cadre
Shadow Confederation
Posted - 2010.01.29 18:27:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Shigsy
Originally by: Drake Draconis
Yes... because it is perfectly acceptable for players to break Non-Disclosure Agreements/Contracts and get off scott free (as far as being perma-banned).Rolling EyesRolling Eyes

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Non-Disclosure Agreement

He didn't disclose anything, therefor how did he break it? Rolling Eyes


Re-read my post.

I said NDA/CONTRACT.

He was not supposed to act on that information therefore he broke the NDA.

I suggest you learn to read before you post... less embarrassing.

De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Norse'Storm Battle Group
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2010.01.29 18:33:00 - [12]
 

What is it with Larkonis fan club that they feel the need to whitewash what he did?

I swear it's like watching a bunch of politicians trying to define the words "sexual relations" all over again.

Ran Khanon
Amarr
Swords Horses and Heavy Metal
Posted - 2010.01.29 18:36:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Drake Draconis
Originally by: Shigsy
Originally by: Drake Draconis
Yes... because it is perfectly acceptable for players to break Non-Disclosure Agreements/Contracts and get off scott free (as far as being perma-banned).Rolling EyesRolling Eyes

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Non-Disclosure Agreement

He didn't disclose anything, therefor how did he break it? Rolling Eyes


Re-read my post.

I said NDA/CONTRACT.

He was not supposed to act on that information therefore he broke the NDA.

I suggest you learn to read before you post... less embarrassing.


Yeah well, doesn't mean he should be wiped from the official eve history books now, does it?

Shigsy
NibbleTek
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.01.29 18:36:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Drake Draconis
Originally by: Shigsy
Originally by: Drake Draconis
Yes... because it is perfectly acceptable for players to break Non-Disclosure Agreements/Contracts and get off scott free (as far as being perma-banned).Rolling EyesRolling Eyes

Emphatic Thumbs Down


Non-Disclosure Agreement

He didn't disclose anything, therefor how did he break it? Rolling Eyes


Re-read my post.

I said NDA/CONTRACT.

He was not supposed to act on that information therefore he broke the NDA.

I suggest you learn to read before you post... less embarrassing.



He signed an NDA. He didn't disclose anything.

What exactly are you trying to say?

De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Norse'Storm Battle Group
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2010.01.29 18:38:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Shigsy
Originally by: Drake Draconis
Originally by: Shigsy
Originally by: Drake Draconis
Yes... because it is perfectly acceptable for players to break Non-Disclosure Agreements/Contracts and get off scott free (as far as being perma-banned).Rolling EyesRolling Eyes

Emphatic Thumbs Down


Non-Disclosure Agreement

He didn't disclose anything, therefor how did he break it? Rolling Eyes


Re-read my post.

I said NDA/CONTRACT.

He was not supposed to act on that information therefore he broke the NDA.

I suggest you learn to read before you post... less embarrassing.



He signed an NDA. He didn't disclose anything.

What exactly are you trying to say?


A typical NDA also includes a clause stating that you will not use the information for personal gain. And to counter your next argument, since ISK can be traded for game time via PLEXes it DOES have a real world value, and thus can be included in the "for personal gain" argument.

Furb Killer
Gallente
Posted - 2010.01.29 18:43:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: Furb Killer on 29/01/2010 18:43:37
Rolling Eyes

Stick to the rules if you want a shiney medal.

LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
Posted - 2010.01.29 18:46:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Shigsy


Non-Disclosure Agreement

He didn't disclose anything, therefor how did he break it? Rolling Eyes

Have you actually read the CSM NDA?

It's quite clear that you haven't.


Shigsy
NibbleTek
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.01.29 18:49:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: Shigsy on 29/01/2010 18:49:44
Originally by: De'Veldrin
A typical NDA also includes a clause stating that you will not use the information for personal gain. And to counter your next argument, since ISK can be traded for game time via PLEXes it DOES have a real world value, and thus can be included in the "for personal gain" argument.


Oh I'm sorry I didn't realise you also read the NDA that Larkonis signed. I'll be more careful in the future to ensure I don't make that mistake.

And you can't trade ISK for $$$. How does that give it real world value? And how come Plex scamming is allowed? Because it's an INGAME item. It has nothing to do with the real world.

edit: getting slightly off topic here btw

yani dumyat
Minmatar
Pixie Cats

Posted - 2010.01.29 18:49:00 - [19]
 

Not sure about giving him his medal back but WTF removing him from the wiki.

Eve should be proud to have the odd scandal, it makes for interesting history and makes it look more like a proper democracy.

Hugo Lordmagnus
Vexillari
Posted - 2010.01.29 18:55:00 - [20]
 

What's the TL;DR on whatever he did?

darius mclever
Posted - 2010.01.29 19:01:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Hugo Lordmagnus
What's the TL;DR on whatever he did?


used his knowledge to buy out stuff that would get more valuable with the changes CCP was planning.

Larkonis TrassIer
State Breast Inspectorate
Posted - 2010.01.29 19:05:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: darius mclever
Originally by: Hugo Lordmagnus
What's the TL;DR on whatever he did?


used his knowledge to buy out stuff that would get more valuable with the changes CCP was planning.


The terrible irony is that it got less valuable.

Hugo Lordmagnus
Vexillari
Posted - 2010.01.29 19:18:00 - [23]
 

Ouch Sad

De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Norse'Storm Battle Group
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2010.01.29 19:34:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Shigsy
Edited by: Shigsy on 29/01/2010 18:49:44
Originally by: De'Veldrin
A typical NDA also includes a clause stating that you will not use the information for personal gain. And to counter your next argument, since ISK can be traded for game time via PLEXes it DOES have a real world value, and thus can be included in the "for personal gain" argument.


Oh I'm sorry I didn't realise you also read the NDA that Larkonis signed. I'll be more careful in the future to ensure I don't make that mistake.

And you can't trade ISK for $$$. How does that give it real world value? And how come Plex scamming is allowed? Because it's an INGAME item. It has nothing to do with the real world.

edit: getting slightly off topic here btw


Stop being an idiot on purpose. It's not helping your argument.

We get it that you're a Lark fanboi, and that's fine - some of us feel that our CSM members should hold themselves to a higher standard of behavior, which is why we're disagreeing with your proposal.

But don't throw attitude at us when we use examples to show why you're wrong. An NDA is a standard legal document - CCP didn't invent them, and having signed quite a few of them myself, I can tell you more or less what's included.

The clause for personal gain is included to prevent you from using any information you may encounter in your activities under the agreement in a manner that would give you a tangible benefit. Since ISK can be used to buy game time (as I pointed out), Lark's use of the information could enable him to acquire game time in a manner not available to every other player in the game, and that's the key point. Yes you can scam plex - and anyone else in the game can try the same tactic to get free game time. Lark's actions enabled him to be able to acquire that game time in a manner not available to everyone because it was based on knowledge not yet available to the wider player base (in essence, he engaged in insider trading).

darius mclever
Posted - 2010.01.29 19:35:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Larkonis TrassIer
Originally by: darius mclever
Originally by: Hugo Lordmagnus
What's the TL;DR on whatever he did?


used his knowledge to buy out stuff that would get more valuable with the changes CCP was planning.


The terrible irony is that it got less valuable.


Well you that is bad luck on top.

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2010.01.29 19:39:00 - [26]
 

obvious troll is obvious

Ran Khanon
Amarr
Swords Horses and Heavy Metal
Posted - 2010.01.29 19:41:00 - [27]
 

I guess we all know what he did wrong. Most of us do, at least. The question is whether he should be wiped from the history books for it and getting his shiny medal taken away; like a referee dropping by your house to collect your soccer trophies after you got sent off in your latest match.

De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Norse'Storm Battle Group
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2010.01.29 20:06:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Ran Khanon
I guess we all know what he did wrong. Most of us do, at least. The question is whether he should be wiped from the history books for it and getting his shiny medal taken away; like a referee dropping by your house to collect your soccer trophies after you got sent off in your latest match.


No, it's more like the Olympic Comittie revoking your medal because they found out you cheated during the Olympics and that was why you won.

Gladys Pank
Amarr
Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
Posted - 2010.01.29 20:12:00 - [29]
 

Edited by: Gladys Pank on 29/01/2010 20:12:13
Considering the charm of Eve in terms of significance is it's single shard "what happens, happens to all", the attempt to mask a part of its history like this is pretty pathetic. Lark may have been underhanded in his insider trading efforts but considering that is entirely within the spirits of the games ethics, it's a disappointment in the least to see CCP trying to rewrite the history books.

Drake Draconis
Minmatar
Shadow Cadre
Shadow Confederation
Posted - 2010.01.29 20:21:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: De'Veldrin
Originally by: Ran Khanon
I guess we all know what he did wrong. Most of us do, at least. The question is whether he should be wiped from the history books for it and getting his shiny medal taken away; like a referee dropping by your house to collect your soccer trophies after you got sent off in your latest match.


No, it's more like the Olympic Comittie revoking your medal because they found out you cheated during the Olympics and that was why you won.


THIS

Ran - What is this... be stupid day? derp derp?

If we wanted him wiped from history... we wouldn't be bringing it up now would we?


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