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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
Posted - 2010.01.29 02:42:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: De'Veldrin
Edited by: De''Veldrin on 29/01/2010 02:38:27
Originally by: Updebum
the hilarious thing is ccp hinge thier whole game on advertising that they only use 1 server, and it doesnt ****ing work!

do shareded servers because the way it id now you can stick it up your arse


Since you are obviously mad and will be emorage quitting at any moment, please consider donating your stuff to me.

Thank you.

Now now, remember that the goonies retreated to syndicate to 'get back to basics' so give their troll alts some time to get back in the groove now that they don't have to do boring stuff like holding territory or contributing to the economy with moon goo and such.ugh

CCP Manifest


C C P
Posted - 2010.01.29 03:34:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Intigo
Regardless of how incredibly stupid the OP is, it did catch my eye how insanely arrogant and foolish that statement was.

A simple "hey we won, grats to us" would have sufficed - but that way of writing it was pretty bad.


My legendary (within the marketing dept at least) and unmalleable (they've tried) verbosity
+
understandable elation over laudation
=
a tone in my news post quite worthy of criticism

I take full responsibility for going a bit overboard. It's funny you should point that out since I did consider the tone for quite some time before posting, weighing levels of hubris and humility, simplicity and flourish and what sort of PR polish I felt was appropriate for an accolade of that magnitude in this particular communication channel...

Then my internal struggle came to an end as one voice deep within me bellowed quite loudly, drowning out the others:

"Aww cmon Manifest, just do it! DOIT! It is for best MMO of the year, ya big lug..."

Honestly, we're all lucky I kept it under 3500 words.

Mirsal
Amarr
Punic Corp.
Posted - 2010.01.29 03:35:00 - [33]
 

Edited by: Mirsal on 29/01/2010 03:35:56
Anyone too new, or too stupid, to remember how only 2-3 years ago we used to have these issues with just 500 something people in a system, and how 1000 people together in system was completely, 100%, impossible even in Jita, on its own node and with no combat...


...should do the charitable thing and give me all his stuff before quitting.

Peryner
University of Caille
Posted - 2010.01.29 04:04:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: CCP Manifest
Originally by: Intigo
Regardless of how incredibly stupid the OP is, it did catch my eye how insanely arrogant and foolish that statement was.

A simple "hey we won, grats to us" would have sufficed - but that way of writing it was pretty bad.


My legendary (within the marketing dept at least) and unmalleable (they've tried) verbosity
+
understandable elation over laudation
=
a tone in my news post quite worthy of criticism

I take full responsibility for going a bit overboard. It's funny you should point that out since I did consider the tone for quite some time before posting, weighing levels of hubris and humility, simplicity and flourish and what sort of PR polish I felt was appropriate for an accolade of that magnitude in this particular communication channel...

Then my internal struggle came to an end as one voice deep within me bellowed quite loudly, drowning out the others:

"Aww cmon Manifest, just do it! DOIT! It is for best MMO of the year, ya big lug..."

Honestly, we're all lucky I kept it under 3500 words.


Clearly, this psot we are reading is good. very good.

the best
Razz

oh but one question honestly?
What does this mean?
Look for it (and some interesting cover copy)

some interesting what?

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2010.01.29 04:13:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Aikar Adora
Originally by: Dirk Altman
yes that any large engagement in this game is filled with insane amounts of lag. why should huge amounts of lag be acceptable?


There is no such thing as unlimited resources. There is ALWAYS limits to what can be done.

I'm new so sorry if my #'s are off but this is more for proving a case:

Fights lag with 100vs 100 - People complain
CCP Announces they've improved the servers and now can handle up to 300vs300 before lagging.
Players bring 300vs300 wars and get lag and complain.
CCP announces they've improved servers and now can handle up to 500vs500 before lagging.
Players bring 500vs500 wars and get lag and complain.

If you keep pushing the limits of their updates, then you're going to lag.



Except that you're leaving out the tiny detail that 500v500 worked reasonably well before the latest expansion.

Not to mention the differently helpful responses from the GMs that have really stirred up the hornet's nest. When you have GMs advising people to "leave the system" in answer to Stuck petitions... Rolling Eyes

CCP Manifest


C C P
Posted - 2010.01.29 04:36:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Peryner

oh but one question honestly?
What does this mean?
Look for it (and some interesting cover copy)

some interesting what?


Copy
3. written matter intended to be reproduced in printed form: The editor sent the copy for the next issue to the printer. (IE marketingspeakversion, definition 3)

In this case, "copy" on the cover of the issue.



Kitimortoa
Posted - 2010.01.29 04:43:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Aikar Adora
Originally by: Dirk Altman
yes that any large engagement in this game is filled with insane amounts of lag. why should huge amounts of lag be acceptable?


There is no such thing as unlimited resources. There is ALWAYS limits to what can be done.

I'm new so sorry if my #'s are off but this is more for proving a case:

Fights lag with 100vs 100 - People complain
CCP Announces they've improved the servers and now can handle up to 300vs300 before lagging.
Players bring 300vs300 wars and get lag and complain.
CCP announces they've improved servers and now can handle up to 500vs500 before lagging.
Players bring 500vs500 wars and get lag and complain.

If you keep pushing the limits of their updates, then you're going to lag.



Except that you're leaving out the tiny detail that 500v500 worked reasonably well before the latest expansion.

Not to mention the differently helpful responses from the GMs that have really stirred up the hornet's nest. When you have GMs advising people to "leave the system" in answer to Stuck petitions... Rolling Eyes


If CCP truly did suck, then why would they bother doing **** like this:
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1257152

gotta give them a little bit of a break.

There's a huge difference in testing on their dev environment and production. There's a huge difference in the hardware on various clients out there, they simply can not test every possible setup that might connect to their servers. They try pretty damn hard to deliver a good game, I don't know of a single MMO capable of running 50k concurrent players off one cluster.

There are ALWAYS bugs that don't get caught in testing, that's why their developers still have jobs. Anyone who thinks they can just wave a magic wand and release comepletely bug free software is deluding themselves. Name one MMO of the same quality that is bug free, and that gives you more content on a semi consistent basis for FREE.

Perhaps if all the people *****ing and moaning all the time would get their asses to test **** on singularity and get the server load up to something close to TQ on a regular basis they might be able to push out stuff with less bugs and lag...Rolling Eyes

Seth Ruin
Minmatar
Ominous Corp
Circle-Of-Two
Posted - 2010.01.29 04:44:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: CCP Manifest
Originally by: Intigo
Regardless of how incredibly stupid the OP is, it did catch my eye how insanely arrogant and foolish that statement was.

A simple "hey we won, grats to us" would have sufficed - but that way of writing it was pretty bad.


My legendary (within the marketing dept at least) and unmalleable (they've tried) verbosity
+
understandable elation over laudation
=
a tone in my news post quite worthy of criticism

I take full responsibility for going a bit overboard. It's funny you should point that out since I did consider the tone for quite some time before posting, weighing levels of hubris and humility, simplicity and flourish and what sort of PR polish I felt was appropriate for an accolade of that magnitude in this particular communication channel...

Then my internal struggle came to an end as one voice deep within me bellowed quite loudly, drowning out the others:

"Aww cmon Manifest, just do it! DOIT! It is for best MMO of the year, ya big lug..."

Honestly, we're all lucky I kept it under 3500 words.
This reminds me of the good old days of the EVE-O forums, when the devs weren't afraid to have personalities. Wink

Honestly, I'd say CCP has the right to be ****y about this. Hell, being humble would almost be offensive; are you trying to tell the award giver that they made a mistake and are wrong? Razz

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2010.01.29 05:02:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Kitimortoa

gotta give them a little bit of a break.

There's a huge difference in testing on their dev environment and production. There's a huge difference in the hardware on various clients out there, they simply can not test every possible setup that might connect to their servers. They try pretty damn hard to deliver a good game, I don't know of a single MMO capable of running 50k concurrent players off one cluster.

There are ALWAYS bugs that don't get caught in testing, that's why their developers still have jobs. Anyone who thinks they can just wave a magic wand and release comepletely bug free software is deluding themselves. Name one MMO of the same quality that is bug free, and that gives you more content on a semi consistent basis for FREE.

Perhaps if all the people *****ing and moaning all the time would get their asses to test **** on singularity and get the server load up to something close to TQ on a regular basis they might be able to push out stuff with less bugs and lag...Rolling Eyes


Thanks for the lecture. Those are all points I was completely unaware of and had never previously considered, and setting me right in return for my temerity at making a simple factual statement was the right thing to do.

Intigo
Amarr
Genos Occidere
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.01.29 14:16:00 - [40]
 

Edited by: Intigo on 29/01/2010 14:18:14
Oh hai, Manifest!

I didn't mean to come off too harsh, honestly I love EVE so it's true in the end - was just a little arrogant at first. Wink

I wonder if PC Gamer from the UK is available in Denmark...

Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Intigo
Regardless of how incredibly stupid the OP is, it did catch my eye how insanely arrogant and foolish that statement was.

A simple "hey we won, grats to us" would have sufficed - but that way of writing it was pretty bad.
Why? Just because you personally have issues with eve atm doesn't mean the rest of us are. From my vantage point and I'm sure many others the wording was spot on. But hey I understand because you really are getting the short end of the lag stick but overall its not even a factor in the greater game so sorry if your isolated patch of eve is not up to snuff. Razz


What are you on about?

I don't have issues with EVE or getting any short end of the lag stick. I'm in GENOS, not in any of the major powerblocs.

LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
Posted - 2010.01.29 14:18:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: CCP Manifest
Originally by: Intigo
Regardless of how incredibly stupid the OP is, it did catch my eye how insanely arrogant and foolish that statement was.

A simple "hey we won, grats to us" would have sufficed - but that way of writing it was pretty bad.


My legendary (within the marketing dept at least) and unmalleable (they've tried) verbosity
+
understandable elation over laudation
=
a tone in my news post quite worthy of criticism

I take full responsibility for going a bit overboard. It's funny you should point that out since I did consider the tone for quite some time before posting, weighing levels of hubris and humility, simplicity and flourish and what sort of PR polish I felt was appropriate for an accolade of that magnitude in this particular communication channel...

Then my internal struggle came to an end as one voice deep within me bellowed quite loudly, drowning out the others:

"Aww cmon Manifest, just do it! DOIT! It is for best MMO of the year, ya big lug..."

Honestly, we're all lucky I kept it under 3500 words.

Could you not find some random person within the marketing department to read the thing before you posted? Razz

Altaree
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2010.01.29 14:26:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: CCP Manifest

Then my internal struggle came to an end as one voice deep within me bellowed quite loudly, drowning out the others:

"Aww cmon Manifest, just do it! DOIT! It is for best MMO of the year, ya big lug..."

Honestly, we're all lucky I kept it under 3500 words.


Cool! Please spend those words on a running description for the lag fix. We really what to know!

Kitimortoa
Posted - 2010.01.29 14:35:00 - [43]
 

Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Kitimortoa

gotta give them a little bit of a break.

There's a huge difference in testing on their dev environment and production. There's a huge difference in the hardware on various clients out there, they simply can not test every possible setup that might connect to their servers. They try pretty damn hard to deliver a good game, I don't know of a single MMO capable of running 50k concurrent players off one cluster.

There are ALWAYS bugs that don't get caught in testing, that's why their developers still have jobs. Anyone who thinks they can just wave a magic wand and release comepletely bug free software is deluding themselves. Name one MMO of the same quality that is bug free, and that gives you more content on a semi consistent basis for FREE.

Perhaps if all the people *****ing and moaning all the time would get their asses to test **** on singularity and get the server load up to something close to TQ on a regular basis they might be able to push out stuff with less bugs and lag...Rolling Eyes


Thanks for the lecture. Those are all points I was completely unaware of and had never previously considered, and setting me right in return for my temerity at making a simple factual statement was the right thing to do.


Actually the bit you quoted wasn't directed at you, I probably shouldn't have quoted you before ranting. My appologies.

Haraukiae Youik
Posted - 2010.01.29 14:35:00 - [44]
 

When EVE starts to return to its original story instead of being a bunch of nul sec dogs chasing their own tails, then it would be the MMO of the year. (true there are some role play corps, but CCP doesn't really push the game in that direction; if they wished to there are ways to incentivise this.)

I'm taking the advice of one of the nul sec insulters and buying plex and letting everyone else pay for the game; namely I'm going on the dole.

So at least now I can watch EVE "twist in the wind" without paying for it. Anyone who knows EVE before "map coloring by corps" will know what I mean. You used to actually be able to go into nul sec and even lo sec without an escort by the USAF.Rolling Eyes

Where is that welfare office anyway?Embarassed Arrow

Clone 1
Posted - 2010.01.29 14:43:00 - [45]
 

This MMO I am playing is good. Still good. Very good.
..
It is. Really.
..
I am sure it is.
..
Isn't it?

Confused

Cipher Jones
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.01.29 14:50:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Dirk Altman
yes that any large engagement in this game is filled with insane amounts of lag. why should huge amounts of lag be acceptable?

The question is "Why would EvE be MMO of the year with all this lag?"

The answer is simple. Any game with 1000 people cluttering up the map is going to lag, and most games don't allow 1000 people on the map. You cant DQ it from being game of the year on a criteria that applies to all MMOS.

Ranger 1
Amarr
Ranger Corp
Posted - 2010.01.29 14:56:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: Haraukiae Youik
When EVE starts to return to its original story instead of being a bunch of nul sec dogs chasing their own tails, then it would be the MMO of the year. (true there are some role play corps, but CCP doesn't really push the game in that direction; if they wished to there are ways to incentivise this.)

I'm taking the advice of one of the nul sec insulters and buying plex and letting everyone else pay for the game; namely I'm going on the dole.

So at least now I can watch EVE "twist in the wind" without paying for it. Anyone who knows EVE before "map coloring by corps" will know what I mean. You used to actually be able to go into nul sec and even lo sec without an escort by the USAF.Rolling Eyes

Where is that welfare office anyway?Embarassed Arrow


Errr, it is MMO of the year without catering to your personal taste, there is no "would be".

Buying Plex isn't "going on the dole". Rolling Eyes

I remember when you could go into low and null sec safely as well, however that time ended about 5 minutes after the game went live after beta. Revisionist history won't convince people that RP is more important than other forms of interaction in this game (mind you, I have no problem with those that role play).


Ranger 1
Amarr
Ranger Corp
Posted - 2010.01.29 15:24:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: De'Veldrin
Edited by: De''Veldrin on 29/01/2010 02:38:27
Originally by: Updebum
the hilarious thing is ccp hinge thier whole game on advertising that they only use 1 server, and it doesnt ****ing work!

do shareded servers because the way it id now you can stick it up your arse


Since you are obviously mad and will be emorage quitting at any moment, please consider donating your stuff to me.

Thank you.

Now now, remember that the goonies retreated to syndicate to 'get back to basics' so give their troll alts some time to get back in the groove now that they don't have to do boring stuff like holding territory or contributing to the economy with moon goo and such.ugh


Yes Zeba, but who knew that by "get back to basics" they meant dying repeatedly to the Syndicate locals. Smile

Alexeph Stoekai
Stoekai Corp
Posted - 2010.01.29 15:26:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: Taedrin

The easiest way to do this would be to give NPCs sleeper AI.

That's not gonna work, and they have explained this. Giving sleeper AI to all, or many more, NPCs will cause downright silly loads on the servers - add to this the fact that most of these NPCs would likely be farmed in PvE hub systems with hundreds of other players doing the same thing, you're gonna have the same performance experience as a 0.0 blob-member.

northwesten
Amarr
Trinity Corporate Services
Terran United Federation
Posted - 2010.01.29 15:48:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: Updebum
the hilarious thing is ccp hinge thier whole game on advertising that they only use 1 server, and it doesnt ****ing work!

do shareded servers because the way it id now you can stick it up your arse


are you dumb? No really that's a real Question when you come up something as dumb as that. It would kill the game and yes maybe there lag but I bet half of it someone connection than CCP server.

If you really think EVE should be like WoW then please leave and don;t return!

Lindsay Logan
Posted - 2010.01.29 15:55:00 - [51]
 

Originally by: Dirk Altman
*crying*


Get a grip.

CCPs servers and custom made net technology enables more players than ever to be in the same fight. This boundry has been pushed since EVEs inception, and is unrivaled by ny other game. And it continues to be pushed. Inventing new technology is not done right away you know, but I guess some people like you fail to realise that.

So you just go and cry you big baby. Laughing

Abrazzar
Posted - 2010.01.29 16:29:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Altaree
Originally by: CCP Manifest

Then my internal struggle came to an end as one voice deep within me bellowed quite loudly, drowning out the others:

"Aww cmon Manifest, just do it! DOIT! It is for best MMO of the year, ya big lug..."

Honestly, we're all lucky I kept it under 3500 words.


Cool! Please spend those words on a running description for the lag fix. We really what to know!

Great. Now we'll get 3500 words of the PR dude in the server code. All thanks to you!Evil or Very Mad

Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
Posted - 2010.01.29 16:35:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: Abrazzar
Originally by: Altaree
Originally by: CCP Manifest

Then my internal struggle came to an end as one voice deep within me bellowed quite loudly, drowning out the others:

"Aww cmon Manifest, just do it! DOIT! It is for best MMO of the year, ya big lug..."

Honestly, we're all lucky I kept it under 3500 words.


Cool! Please spend those words on a running description for the lag fix. We really what to know!

Great. Now we'll get 3500 words of the PR dude in the server code. All thanks to you!Evil or Very Mad
We all know that the dev's leave random comments in the code like "MANIFEST WAS HERE" and "ALL YOUR BASE BELONG TO C:\Windows\Boot.ini" and such.

Bhattran
Posted - 2010.01.29 17:19:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: Kitimortoa

If CCP truly did suck, then why would they bother doing **** like this:
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1257152

gotta give them a little bit of a break.

There's a huge difference in testing on their dev environment and production. There's a huge difference in the hardware on various clients out there, they simply can not test every possible setup that might connect to their servers. They try pretty damn hard to deliver a good game, I don't know of a single MMO capable of running 50k concurrent players off one cluster.

There are ALWAYS bugs that don't get caught in testing, that's why their developers still have jobs. Anyone who thinks they can just wave a magic wand and release comepletely bug free software is deluding themselves. Name one MMO of the same quality that is bug free, and that gives you more content on a semi consistent basis for FREE.

Perhaps if all the people *****ing and moaning all the time would get their asses to test **** on singularity and get the server load up to something close to TQ on a regular basis they might be able to push out stuff with less bugs and lag...Rolling Eyes


Except there was testing done pre dominion and lots of bugs were discovered, and reported but CCP didn't address them or chose to try fixing them after the expansion. It isn't as cut and dry as people won't help test things plenty do and plenty are willing to try but when you see people reporting in the issues threads how they found that bug yet it made it to deployment that is CCP.

You seem to not understand that it isn't our fault CCP didn't listen to the people who did test the expansion, or didn't take more time in developing it if they didn't have enough data or people testing it. I don't work for CCP I'm not to blame when they don't fix bugs, find bugs, etc I report them and do my best to let them know what is happening and all I ever get is 'we are working on it' or 'it is a known issue'.

Terianna Eri
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
Posted - 2010.01.29 17:25:00 - [55]
 

Originally by: Haraukiae Youik
When EVE starts to return to its original story instead of being a bunch of nul sec dogs chasing their own tails

That IS EVE's own, original story. That's kind of the point of sandbox gameplay, and the big dogs out in nullsec not only make some damn good stories, but also what goes on in nullsec isn't confined to nullsec - it affects the rest of the universe in some way or another.

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2010.01.29 17:45:00 - [56]
 

Originally by: Haraukiae Youik
When EVE starts to return to its original story instead of being a bunch of nul sec dogs chasing their own tails


And what's this then?

Erdiere
Minmatar
Erasers inc.
Controlled Chaos
Posted - 2010.01.29 17:59:00 - [57]
 


William Caldon
Caldari
Golden Cross Enterprises
Posted - 2010.01.29 18:06:00 - [58]
 

Good to know all the whiners are in this thread. Eve is great, if you've lost your fun in it, then please, quit, GTFO or HTFU and give me all your stuffs.

Thanks


Droog 1
Posted - 2010.01.29 18:06:00 - [59]
 

Originally by: Erdiere
http://www.eveonline.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=3679&tid=1
Laughing


The MMO you are trying to install is broken. Still broken. Very broken.

Miiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiau
Posted - 2010.01.29 19:07:00 - [60]
 

I don't know why people cry so much about this news.
It didn't say: Eve is perfect and there is nothing to improve anymore.
It said that Eve is the best MMO out there and i think that is very true.

Of course i hope that CCP will improve server performance, but that takes time.
If it was so easy to have 1500 people in one place, every MMO would do it.


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