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Camroc V
Posted - 2010.01.28 13:15:00 - [91]
 

What if the RLM seller is 100% legit?

Letís say a person is playing internet spaceships for 3+ years and then decides to quit the game. So he sells his character(s) on the forum for say 10 billion ISK, transfers this to a new character on his account and then proceeds to sell off all his ships/items/loot and everything else he has stocked since day1, this then totals another 10 billion. So he now has 20 billion and wonít ever play again.

What can he do with it? Is he allowed to sell on eBay for RLM or is he just stuck with it. All his ISK was generated by proper means; He spent RLM to subscribe to his account, should he not be able to receive some RLM back into his personal pocket.

Abrazzar
Posted - 2010.01.28 13:18:00 - [92]
 

Originally by: Camroc V
What if the RLM seller is 100% legit?

RLM trading is never legit. Your scenario fails at the very first step.

Garia666
Amarr
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E
Xenon-Empire
Posted - 2010.01.28 13:19:00 - [93]
 

If you want to buy isk.. just sell some gtc on the forum..

MeSo ANGRY
Posted - 2010.01.28 13:29:00 - [94]
 

Edited by: MeSo ANGRY on 28/01/2010 13:32:34
Originally by: L'Arbitrageur
Originally by: MeSo ANGRY

moran alert


your ad hominem attack aside. Using Plexes does not encourage macro-botting. You need to go find a dictionary and find out what 'encourage' actually means. Plexes are neutral in encouraging or discouraging the use of macros. If a person so desired, they could go outside, punch someone in the face and steal their wallet. They could then use that money to purchase eve game time. That does not mean to say that CCP selling game time cards facilitates theft.
But yes, logic is lost on some people. go spin your ship some more.


Inappropriate comment removed StevieSG

allow me to make it really simple

1. there exists a subset of player to whom not having to pay $15 a month to play eve matters greatly
2. if there were no plex, this group of player would have no choice but to pay to play
3. since there is plex, his group of player can trade isk for game time
4. a subset of this subset would choose to get isk by macro-botting

also

If a person so desired, they could go outside, punch someone in the face and steal their wallet. They could then use that money to purchase DIACETYLMORPHINE. That does not mean to say that MIGUEL FROM COLUMBIA selling DIACETYLMORPHINE facilitates theft.

im sure the juxtaposition would allow you to clearly see how you are wrong.


Swiftgaze
Elysium Trading Company
Posted - 2010.01.28 14:15:00 - [95]
 

Edited by: Swiftgaze on 28/01/2010 14:15:54
Originally by: L'Arbitrageur
Originally by: MeSo ANGRY

moran alert


your ad hominem attack aside. Using Plexes does not encourage macro-botting. You need to go find a dictionary and find out what 'encourage' actually means. Plexes are neutral in encouraging or discouraging the use of macros. If a person so desired, they could go outside, punch someone in the face and steal their wallet. They could then use that money to purchase eve game time. That does not mean to say that CCP selling game time cards facilitates theft.
But yes, logic is lost on some people. go spin your ship some more.


Uhhh, "find a dictionary" is really going to prove him wrong. Being able to buy gametime with ISK encourages ISK creation and thus macroing. End of story. Whether you wanna be a shiny forum knight or not.

Reem Fairchild
Minmatar
Punic Corp.
Posted - 2010.01.28 14:44:00 - [96]
 

Originally by: MeSo ANGRY


Inappropriate comment removed StevieSG
allow me to make it really simple

1. there exists a subset of player to whom not having to pay $15 a month to play eve matters greatly
2. if there were no plex, this group of player would have no choice but to pay to play
3. since there is plex, his group of player can trade isk for game time
4. a subset of this subset would choose to get isk by macro-botting


By that logic most types of activities in Eve encourage macros and the like because most require ISK and some people will choose to make that ISK using macros. A person wanting a carrier may well make the money for it macro-mining. But it would be absurd to say that. Most players do not use macros to make their ISK.

On the other hand, it's not at all absurd to say that about people who sell ISK for real money, because it is how many of them make their ISK in game. And if they don't make it that way, they use even shadier methods, like hacking players' accounts.

Reem Fairchild
Minmatar
Punic Corp.
Posted - 2010.01.28 14:50:00 - [97]
 

Originally by: Swiftgaze

Uhhh, "find a dictionary" is really going to prove him wrong. Being able to buy gametime with ISK encourages ISK creation and thus macroing. End of story. Whether you wanna be a shiny forum knight or not.


Playing Eve encourages ISK creation.


I have yet to see an even halfway intelligent post by you on this forum. It's remarkable.

MeSo ANGRY
Posted - 2010.01.28 15:32:00 - [98]
 

Originally by: Reem Fairchild
Originally by: MeSo ANGRY


Inappropriate comment removed StevieSG
allow me to make it really simple

1. there exists a subset of player to whom not having to pay $15 a month to play eve matters greatly
2. if there were no plex, this group of player would have no choice but to pay to play
3. since there is plex, his group of player can trade isk for game time
4. a subset of this subset would choose to get isk by macro-botting


By that logic most types of activities in Eve encourage macros and the like because most require ISK and some people will choose to make that ISK using macros. A person wanting a carrier may well make the money for it macro-mining. But it would be absurd to say that. Most players do not use macros to make their ISK.

On the other hand, it's not at all absurd to say that about people who sell ISK for real money, because it is how many of them make their ISK in game. And if they don't make it that way, they use even shadier methods, like hacking players' accounts.


whether or not xxxx encourage macro-botting or not is not relevant to the discussion "does plex encourage macro-botting".

Lo3d3R
Mos Eisley Social Club
Posted - 2010.01.28 15:49:00 - [99]
 

Edited by: Lo3d3R on 28/01/2010 15:50:14
Originally by: MeSo ANGRY

moran



Moran, the preferred method of spelling "moron" by morons.



Originally by: Golden Admiral
Originally by: Lo3d3R

text...


more text...



I stated later that it is a "small matter of principal" in relation to some offcial statements.

Reem Fairchild
Minmatar
Punic Corp.
Posted - 2010.01.28 15:57:00 - [100]
 

Originally by: MeSo ANGRY

whether or not xxxx encourage macro-botting or not is not relevant to the discussion "does plex encourage macro-botting".


It's relevant, because unless you're saying that PLEXs encourage use of macros and such to a greater degree than all those other things in Eve that need lots of ISK, then saying "PLEXs encourage macros and bots" is a completely useless statement.

A subset of Eve players will always use methods like that for making ISK, regardless of what they are making the ISK for. It doesn't make it the same as the people who make ISK to sell for real money. It's just not profitable for those people to make ISK in the ways that we normal players do.

MeSo ANGRY
Posted - 2010.01.28 16:15:00 - [101]
 

Originally by: Reem Fairchild

unless you're saying that PLEXs encourage use of macros and such to a greater degree


no.

i have never said that plex's encourage to a degree exceeding other activities yadda yadda...

all i have said is that plex's encourage macro-botting.

so dont add to what i said, learn comprehension and stop being a moran.

Swiftgaze
Elysium Trading Company
Posted - 2010.01.28 16:17:00 - [102]
 

Edited by: Swiftgaze on 28/01/2010 16:19:08
Originally by: Reem Fairchild
Originally by: Swiftgaze

Uhhh, "find a dictionary" is really going to prove him wrong. Being able to buy gametime with ISK encourages ISK creation and thus macroing. End of story. Whether you wanna be a shiny forum knight or not.


Playing Eve encourages ISK creation.


I have yet to see an even halfway intelligent post by you on this forum. It's remarkable.


You are only supporting what I said.

Playing Eve DOES encourage macroing.

So why don't you just bite me?

Sojuro Ryosaki
Gallente
Applied Tactical Division
SRS.
Posted - 2010.01.28 16:53:00 - [103]
 

Edited by: Sojuro Ryosaki on 28/01/2010 16:54:11
I'll put this simple so some of you with low intellect can understand. A player buys plex and puts it on market and I come along and buy it. What just took place is very simple, I gave isk to a player as a gratitude for paying my subscription to which I am very thankful. Now it only took me a few hrs to make that much in a WH and I have the rest of the 30 days to do what I want. I could even go play something else or chill and watch tv.

The reason I buy plex? On Oct 8th I found out both my kidneys shut down and will be on dialysis permanently or till I get a transplant. Now I can't work due to the nature of dialysis so no income. Today I lose my employment status at my job as all my personal time and medical leave as been used. I also have another 2 or 3 months till Social Security decides whether or not they're going to put me on disability. Now without plexs available I wouldn't be able to play Eve and hang with my friends.

I can probably guess that there are quite a few ppl like this and need plexes to play. I'm also pretty positive that there are ppl that have no clue how plexs work. If after reading the first paragraph and still not sure reread it and it'll come to you but may take a few reads.

CCP StevieSG

Posted - 2010.01.28 18:27:00 - [104]
 

Thread has been cleaned up. Please post constructively.

Reem Fairchild
Minmatar
Punic Corp.
Posted - 2010.01.28 18:44:00 - [105]
 

Edited by: Reem Fairchild on 28/01/2010 18:50:32
Originally by: MeSo ANGRY

no.

i have never said that plex's encourage to a degree exceeding other activities yadda yadda...


Great. Never said you did say that. I assumed you weren't saying it. But what that means then, is that the following...

Quote:
all i have said is that plex's encourage macro-botting.


...is a completely useless statement that doesn't add anything to the debate on the subject at hand in this thread. It's just not comparable to the people making ISK to sell it for real money.


That was the point of my last post. So, if you had followed your own advice...

Quote:
learn comprehension and stop being a moran.



...you could have saved yourself a post there.

MeSo ANGRY
Posted - 2010.01.28 19:04:00 - [106]
 

Originally by: Reem Fairchild
Edited by: Reem Fairchild on 28/01/2010 18:50:32
Originally by: MeSo ANGRY

no.

i have never said that plex's encourage to a degree exceeding other activities yadda yadda...


Great. Never said you did say that. I assumed you weren't saying it. But what that means then, is that the following...

Quote:
all i have said is that plex's encourage macro-botting.


...is a completely useless statement that doesn't add anything to the debate on the subject at hand in this thread. It's just not comparable to the people making ISK to sell it for real money.


That was the point of my last post. So, if you had followed your own advice...

Quote:
learn comprehension and stop being a moran.



...you could have saved yourself a post there.


sigh

we are not talking about the usefulness of statement.
we are talking about whether or not plex's encourage macrobotting.

stop extrapolating and sidestepping the issue plz. thats a moronic tactics employed by failed logic ******.

Taedrin
Gallente
Kushan Industrial
Posted - 2010.01.28 19:09:00 - [107]
 

Originally by: Swiftgaze


You are only supporting what I said.

Playing Eve DOES encourage macroing.

So why don't you just bite me?


More specifically, any activity which requires ISK encourages macroing.

However, RMT is a violation of the EULA, and I would SUSPECT that RMTer's would be more likely to use macros since they are already violating the EULA anyways. Someone who does NOT violate the EULA would be less likely to use macros, as using a macro would constitute a risk of getting banned, whereas if they don't use macros (and don't decide to violate the EULA elsewhere either) they theoretically have zero risk of getting banned.

Same reason why level 4 mission runners don't go to low-sec - high sec appears to have 0% risk, and this "guaranteed" safety is so appealing to them that they dare not risk themselves in low sec, 0.0 or w-space.

Reem Fairchild
Minmatar
Punic Corp.
Posted - 2010.01.28 20:26:00 - [108]
 

Originally by: MeSo ANGRY

sigh

we are not talking about the usefulness of statement.
we are talking about whether or not plex's encourage macrobotting.

stop extrapolating and sidestepping the issue plz. thats a moronic tactics employed by failed logic ******.


Ok, PLEXs, like anything else in Eve that requires ISK, encourages macros and bots to some degree or other.

But who cares, and what does it have to do with the subject of this thread?

Jered Transer
Posted - 2010.01.28 20:33:00 - [109]
 

Originally by: Captain Thunk
Originally by: GM Nova

Buying ISK is the worst thing you can do in this game. It ruins your game experience, it ruins other people's game experience and deteriorates and corrupts our gameworld.


I dunno, it's pretty hard to top Dominion


I lol'd LaughingLaughing

Qwert0
Posted - 2010.01.28 20:36:00 - [110]
 

Something else to note: $15 a month is less motivation to macro than hundreds. By its very nature, PLEXes are locked in at "earning" roughly $15 a month per account ("selling" only ~300M isk in the process). RMT is simply limited by how much isk they can earn in the 360 hours per month that they can play, encouraging macros/bots/etc. Do some people macro or bot for their game time? I'm sure they do, though I think they probably macro for their isk as well, they are already breaking the rules after all.


Ryhss
Caldari
The Excecutorans
Posted - 2010.01.28 20:40:00 - [111]
 

Originally by: Jackie Fisher
Edited by: Jackie Fisher on 27/01/2010 11:06:54
Originally by: GM Nova

Buying ISK is the worst thing you can do in this game. It ruins your game experience, it ruins other people's game experience and deteriorates and corrupts our gameworld.

Unless you do it via GTC sales in which case none of the above applies. Wink
QFT!

Lord Amaris
Posted - 2010.01.30 13:30:00 - [112]
 

When you say, buying ISK with RTM is equivalent to buying ISK through PLEX/ETC, you are wrong. When you exchange ISK against ETC, you are paying to extend this player play time against some ISK. There is no way this player can later exchange this to get real money and therefor can't make a business from it.

Abrazzar
Posted - 2010.01.30 13:42:00 - [113]
 

RMT = A Job
GTC = A hobby

Cameltoeminer
Posted - 2010.02.05 21:06:00 - [114]
 

Let's not forget, CCP is in this to make money. They are a private enterprise...

After all, why should they let others profit when CCP could?

Joe Astor
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
Posted - 2010.02.05 21:54:00 - [115]
 

Just going on my observations here...

I get that selling ISK is illegal, that's a no brainer.

But from what I seem to notice on all the other RMTer related posts is they ask for/need your login and password for some reason.
Shouldn't that be enough of a sign that it's a bad thing? You've never needed someone's l/p to give them ISK.

I get that if someone is silly enough to give their l/p out they risk losing their assets, and that's one way these RMT smegheads get the ISK that they get.
IMO if someone is silly enough to give out their l/p, they deserve to be pwned by ISK sellers, then by CCP in the aftermath.

Gordo Moto
Posted - 2010.02.17 01:11:00 - [116]
 

Also... If you have a real life friend who decides to quit for good, don't let him give you his stuff, because according to the GM it is 'buying isk'.

Sir Isacnor
Posted - 2010.02.17 02:54:00 - [117]
 

Edited by: Sir Isacnor on 17/02/2010 02:53:52
Firstly can I say that the level of spelling in this topic is dreadful, and points which i'd normally agree with make me question purely because of the disregard of the English language.

Now, onto the main point. The reason why they sell ISK in the first place is because theres a demand for it, or else there would be no point in offering to sell such a thing to people, which means that there are people out there who want to buy ISK for money.

I've just had a look at one of these eve buying sites and it apparently costs £14.32 for 500m ISK, so you need to compare the time to get enough ISK for Plex to actually pay for it to that, and then if the methods of earning money ingame are enjoyable enough to warrent wanting to actually buy it from the RLM instead.

I personally believe that some of the ways to earn money could be a bit more fun, which would encourage people to actually want to do them more. Time and time again I hear people say "Oh minings boring, Oh missionings boring" and yet they are the two most focal ways ingame of actually earning a decent amount of money.

Nicolo da'Vicenza
Amarr
Divine Power.
Atlas.
Posted - 2010.02.17 03:01:00 - [118]
 

i see thru ur lies ccp
this is just like when my teacher tried 2 tell me smoking was bad
i saw thru his deceits too
u cant fool me

Hardiel Da'le'mei
Posted - 2010.02.17 04:53:00 - [119]
 

Originally by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
i see thru ur lies ccp
this is just like when my teacher tried 2 tell me smoking was bad
i saw thru his deceits too
u cant fool me


Obviously you don't listen to teachers either, as no capitals at the start of sentences, no full stops at the end, and worst of all using 2 for to.

I'll give you 2/10 for actrually using words and not slamming your head into the keyboard.

Other than that, the puchase of any in game money, when not sanctioned and worked into the economy of any game, has a negative effect on other players and the company that produces the game. This is dispite all the self serving propaganda on the various promotional websites of these companies.

syphurous
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
Posted - 2010.02.17 06:06:00 - [120]
 

Originally by: GM Horse
There are quite a lot of legitimate Chinese players playing on TQ, so that is sadly not possible. In addition, as you said, that would be very quickly circumvented via proxies.


Here I was thinking the Chinese server was so players didn't have to break Chinese law and could play on their own server. How is breaking the local law Legitimate ?


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