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Juwi Kotch
KOTCH Construction and Anchoring
Posted - 2010.01.24 18:59:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Juwi Kotch on 25/01/2010 20:50:30

This thread pointed out one title which is yet to be given:

The first pilot to be awarded all certificates in game.

It looks like that this title will not be given away anytime soon, and there is much opportunity to join the race.

To win this race, there are 111 Elite Certificates to train for, plus 3 lower certificates, a total of 352 Certificates to be awarded.

The present Champions according to eveboard.com are Sable Moran with a total of 275 Certificates, but "only" 40 Elite ones, and polvo zangado with 49 Elite Certificates out of a total of 267 Certificates already collected.

I myself? Well, nothing to speak of ... Embarassed.

So, who is joining this race?

Alice Silversong
Posted - 2010.01.24 21:17:00 - [2]
 

You cant really call it a race as you can't really "pass" anyone up. Not to mention the adding of skills. Worthless thread/topic.

Sumelar
Posted - 2010.01.24 22:19:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Sumelar on 24/01/2010 22:19:18
Getting *all* of them is probably impossible, even if they didn't add anymore it would take too long to get the required stuff to 5.

I've been thinking about getting all the basic ones though, just for kicks. Then work on the next levels up, and so on.

And Alice, if it's so worthless how about just hitting the back button next time so the rest of us don't have to read your worthless comments?

Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Veto Corp
Posted - 2010.01.24 22:55:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Sumelar
Edited by: Sumelar on 24/01/2010 22:19:18
Getting *all* of them is probably impossible, even if they didn't add anymore it would take too long to get the required stuff to 5.

Not impossible but will take another 3-4 years until it can happen granted no new certificates are introduced.

Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
Posted - 2010.01.25 08:35:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Alice Silversong
You cant really call it a race as you can't really "pass" anyone up. Not to mention the adding of skills. Worthless thread/topic.


that is assuming everyone with a lot of certs is currently only training for more certs. and/or has optimal attributes.

RaTTuS
BIG
Gentlemen's Agreement
Posted - 2010.01.25 11:28:00 - [6]
 

Prrft
next race, as you call it, is all Standard Certs

Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
Posted - 2010.01.25 13:03:00 - [7]
 

Alice Silversong said “You cant really call it a race as you can't really "pass" anyone up.”
Sure you can I am soon going to jump from 16th place to around about 5th place. I can see a lot of movement in the ranking of who has the most certs over the next 4 years. I look to be far behind polvo zangado but once I finish Fleet command I get 6 Elite certs then I only need to train the easy T2 small weapons and I am right behind polvo zangado if not ahead.

I am sort of in the race but I am not remapping to train as fast as possible and I sometimes take a little time out doing none cert skills. My aim is to get all Elite certs not to be the first person to do it.

As for whos is truely in the lead it is hard to tell and we won’t really know for a few years yet. For example polvo zangado who is in the lead has a lot of the easy to get certs. He has all the low rank skills which give certs like all the T2 small weapons. While others like me started with the harder certs like fleet command and still have all the easy certs to do.

What I am interested in, is how many people in the top 20 are in the race and how many just happen to be in the top 20 due to high SP’s.

Juwi Kotch
KOTCH Construction and Anchoring
Posted - 2010.01.25 20:59:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: RaTTuS
Prrft
next race, as you call it, is all Standard Certs

That is already nearly done.

If my list is correct, and with reference to eveboard, the races for the non-elite certificates are already or nearly finished:

Basic Certificates - total 78 -> already completed by 9 pilots
Standard Certificates - total 110 -> race is led by Sable Moran with 108, followed by Robocopter with 101
Improved Certificates - total 55 -> race is led by Sable Moran wih 49, followed by Robocopter with 46

Avacado Surprise
Posted - 2010.01.25 21:34:00 - [9]
 

Haha, sounds like a fun race =). has anyone worked out how long it would take to get all the possible certificates to elite, starting from 0? Is it a completely ridiculous figure (ie 20plus years) or is it a reasonably achievable figure?

Amateratsu
Caldari
The Pegasus Project
Posted - 2010.01.25 21:58:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Avacado Surprise
Haha, sounds like a fun race =). has anyone worked out how long it would take to get all the possible certificates to elite, starting from 0? Is it a completely ridiculous figure (ie 20plus years) or is it a reasonably achievable figure?


For me personally, i'm looking at approx 5 years of optimal training to get all certs.
So its certainly an achievable goal, but not for the faint heartedVery Happy

Tho my primary goals are all skills and then all skills to lvl 4 or above.

Patrice Macmahon
The Lost Minmatar Legion
Posted - 2010.01.26 02:29:00 - [11]
 

Jeeze, I should have never opened my big fat mouth...

Im 32 days away from core competency elite... and then some 7.1 years out from getting em all.....

Im in!

Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
Posted - 2010.01.26 07:30:00 - [12]
 

Avacado Surprise said "Haha, sounds like a fun race =). has anyone worked out how long it would take to get all the possible certificates to elite, starting from 0? Is it a completely ridiculous figure (ie 20plus years) or is it a reasonably achievable figure?"
Well I have been playing about 6 years and I should have all Elite certs in another 4 years so 10years max. But a large amount of my SP are not cert skills and new players have double training, better implants and remapping. So less than 10 years, I would guess 7 or 8 years?

If you load up Eve mon and add all the Elite certs you should get a more accurate answer.

Arrowyx
Posted - 2010.01.26 12:03:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Arrowyx on 26/01/2010 12:05:25
Roughly 8 years 220 days assuming you trained Cybernetics V first and stuck in a set of +5 implants. Skillbooks would cost you 650,004,500 isk to purchase. You'd finish with 167,412,465 skillpoints.

Ravenal
The Fated
E.Y
Posted - 2010.01.26 17:46:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Juwi Kotch

So, who is joining this race?

This race is kinda pointless I think... myself, having not so few certificates... 4th for all certs and close to getting quite a few more, it'll take me iirc 5 years to get all certificates from now.

Juwi Kotch
KOTCH Construction and Anchoring
Posted - 2010.01.26 21:40:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Ravenal
This race is kinda pointless I think... myself, having not so few certificates... 4th for all certs and close to getting quite a few more, it'll take me iirc 5 years to get all certificates from now.

Well, obviously its a looooong race. Granted, such is not every bodies taste. But eventually, there will be a first pilot to get all certificates, either coincidentally or deliberately.

Ravenal
The Fated
E.Y
Posted - 2010.01.26 23:01:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Juwi Kotch
Well, obviously its a looooong race. Granted, such is not every bodies taste. But eventually, there will be a first pilot to get all certificates, either coincidentally or deliberately.

Unless lots of new skills/certificates for previously uncertifiable skills are released... like all capital stuff lvl5 for some capital elite certificate... good luck with that :)

Juwi Kotch
KOTCH Construction and Anchoring
Posted - 2010.01.27 11:03:00 - [17]
 

I've made up something to create a ranking across all certificates.

Arrow 1 Point for each Basic Certificate
Arrow 2 Points for each Standard Certificate
Arrow 4 Points for each Improved Certificate
Arrow 8 Points for each Elite Certificate

where only the highest level certificate counts.

With that, the ranking across the first four of eveboards overall certificate ranking list would be:

1. polvo zangado with 522 points
2. Sable Moran with 504 points
3. Ravenal with 476 points
4. Robocopter with 473 points

Maybe Chribba could add that kind of ranking to his page ...

Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
Posted - 2010.01.27 12:51:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: Pottsey on 27/01/2010 12:52:12
Juwi Kotch the problem with that system is you have a 7day Elite certificate giving the same points as a 45+day Elite certificate. To me it looks like polvo zangado is not going to win the race as he has the easy certs while others have the hard certs.

Should getting a small T2 cert give the same points as the cert that needs fleet command V?

Iluminat
Minmatar
Sharp Dressed Man
Posted - 2010.01.27 14:30:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Juwi Kotch
I've made up something to create a ranking across all certificates.

Arrow 1 Point for each Basic Certificate
Arrow 2 Points for each Standard Certificate
Arrow 4 Points for each Improved Certificate
Arrow 8 Points for each Elite Certificate

where only the highest level certificate counts.

With that, the ranking across the first four of eveboards overall certificate ranking list would be:

1. polvo zangado with 522 points
2. Sable Moran with 504 points
3. Ravenal with 476 points
4. Robocopter with 473 points

Maybe Chribba could add that kind of ranking to his page ...

545 points for me

Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Veto Corp
Posted - 2010.01.27 14:42:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: Mashie Saldana on 27/01/2010 14:42:40
Originally by: Iluminat
Originally by: Juwi Kotch
where only the highest level certificate counts.


545 points for me

You have 354 actually.

1 x 16 = 16
2 x 19 = 38
4 x 5 = 20
8 x 35 = 280

Juwi Kotch
KOTCH Construction and Anchoring
Posted - 2010.01.27 16:27:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Pottsey
Edited by: Pottsey on 27/01/2010 12:52:12
Juwi Kotch the problem with that system is you have a 7day Elite certificate giving the same points as a 45+day Elite certificate. To me it looks like polvo zangado is not going to win the race as he has the easy certs while others have the hard certs.

Should getting a small T2 cert give the same points as the cert that needs fleet command V?

You're correct, Pottsey. The Elite Fleet-Coordinator certificate (which I would need more then a year to train for) would grant exactly the same 8 points as the Elite Amarr Industry Engineer certificate, which I did from scratch (I had no Amarr skills whatsoever) in I believe 2 or 3 days.

But, in the end, it will even out. The more the race progresses, the more the effect of easy versus difficult certificates will vanish. It's like a runners race, where a sprinter can head the race for a few hundred meters, only to be caught by everyone else before the end of the race, and finish it last.

So, just to make this ranking not to difficult (for Chribba to include in his website *hint, hint*), I would live with this.

Ravenal
The Fated
E.Y
Posted - 2010.01.28 13:38:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Juwi Kotch

But, in the end, it will even out.

Why not just count the ranks*levels behind each certificate? That gives you an accurate representation of how much time its taken to get it.

Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Veto Corp
Posted - 2010.01.28 14:59:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Ravenal
Why not just count the ranks*levels behind each certificate? That gives you an accurate representation of how much time its taken to get it.

That would be nice if someone could pull the data.

Also I wouldn't mind seeing two races, one for PVP related certs and one for all certs as I think there are a fair few people like me with 0 interest in industry/market certs.

Juwi Kotch
KOTCH Construction and Anchoring
Posted - 2010.01.31 11:07:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Mashie Saldana
That would be nice if someone could pull the data.

There are over 350 certificates in game right now. I don't know if the skill requirements are available via some database, data dump or API information. If yes, such a table could be easily created by someone who has the knowledge how to work such data (I don't), if not, someone would need to list all this data manually (I don't have the time). But if this information would be available, it wouldn't be a problem to give individual values to each certificate based on its skill requirements.

Originally by: Mashie Saldana
Also I wouldn't mind seeing two races, one for PVP related certs and one for all certs as I think there are a fair few people like me with 0 interest in industry/market certs.

That could be a problem in that regard, that quite many certificates could/would be counted for both, industry and PvP, and it needs to be decided which certificates would be assigned to just industry or just PvP, or for both groups. I tried this once, and if I remember it correctly, by far the most certificates are needed for both, industry and PvP, and to distinguish it would not make that much difference or sense, at least not in the meaning of two completely different races.

Ravenal
The Fated
E.Y
Posted - 2010.01.31 23:28:00 - [25]
 

the data dump includes information on prereq skills and their ranks of course. After that it's a matter of collecting all your certificates and pulling their prereqs into a set paired with their level requirements ... after that its just a small matter of doing the math :)

Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Veto Corp
Posted - 2010.02.01 02:22:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Ravenal
the data dump includes information on prereq skills and their ranks of course. After that it's a matter of collecting all your certificates and pulling their prereqs into a set paired with their level requirements ... after that its just a small matter of doing the math :)

It's probably easier to just have a list of SP in cert affecting skills Shocked

Zenst
Hall Of Flame
Chain of Chaos
Posted - 2010.02.02 20:59:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Juwi Kotch
I've made up something to create a ranking across all certificates.

Arrow 1 Point for each Basic Certificate
Arrow 2 Points for each Standard Certificate
Arrow 4 Points for each Improved Certificate
Arrow 8 Points for each Elite Certificate

where only the highest level certificate counts.

With that, the ranking across the first four of eveboards overall certificate ranking list would be:

1. polvo zangado with 522 points
2. Sable Moran with 504 points
3. Ravenal with 476 points
4. Robocopter with 473 points

Maybe Chribba could add that kind of ranking to his page ...

Rolling Eyes

41x8= 328
30x4= 120
78x2= 156
65x1= 65

Total 669
Laughing

Juwi Kotch
KOTCH Construction and Anchoring
Posted - 2010.02.02 23:46:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Zenst
Originally by: Juwi Kotch
I've made up something to create a ranking across all certificates.

Arrow 1 Point for each Basic Certificate
Arrow 2 Points for each Standard Certificate
Arrow 4 Points for each Improved Certificate
Arrow 8 Points for each Elite Certificate

where only the highest level certificate counts.

With that, the ranking across the first four of eveboards overall certificate ranking list would be:

1. polvo zangado with 522 points
2. Sable Moran with 504 points
3. Ravenal with 476 points
4. Robocopter with 473 points

Maybe Chribba could add that kind of ranking to his page ...

Rolling Eyes

41x8= 328
30x4= 120
78x2= 156
65x1= 65

Total 669
Laughing


41x8= 328
7x4= 28
32x2= 64
8x1= 8

Total 428

You missed that part where it is stated, that only the highest certificate counts. So when you've got the Elite one, the basic, standard and improved version are not calculated. You can find out what to calculate when you look at your certificate page at eveboard.com, where the number of certificates per rank is shown on the bottom of each certificate rank selection page.

Iluminat
Minmatar
Sharp Dressed Man
Posted - 2010.02.03 10:33:00 - [29]
 

Yeh i did the same wrong calculation myself Laughing
Anyway i dont give much for this certificate race.
My only challenge is a great character.


 

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