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Scout Ops
Red Federation
Posted - 2010.01.15 19:39:00 - [61]
 

Originally by: Yesh
Why on earth would you want to get rid of high sec?

If this is a PVP thing (and I'm assuming it is as the OP gave no reason) then there are plenty of targets to be found in low sec and 0.0 if you know what you are doing. Some of them (shock horror) even WANT to PVP.

Or perhaps you just want loads of inexperienced players or 'carebears' with expensive ships in low sec and 0.0 so you can get easy kills to bolster your killboard stats.

Hi sec is fine as it is. It does not need changing just because some people don't want to play the game the same way as you do.

When you pay my subs (or if I sell you my soul) then, and only then, may you dictate how I should play this game.



because hisec is overpopulated with carebears refusing to play the actual game.

its an obsession to grind more and more ISK and to avoid losing a single ship. "must.......get.......isk!!!!!!" we are trying to get rid of this extended disease... aka, world is not ending because you lose a ship.

so highsec is the most profitable playground while its the safest. WTF? No point. There are 5 classes of missions, 4/5 are in highsec. WTF? Move lvl4 and maybe even lvl3 to lowsec. Even better, remove highsec.

now seriously, how realistic is that a team of uber-police-tanks come in grid within 2 seconds and blasts a pirate. WTF? But then if one drops a jetcan and a random dude flips it, and the first one steals back, police allows the fight. WTF? Actually this game is WEIRD.

We are supposed to live in a hostile galaxy, not Hello Kitty world. This means stay tuned for pew pew action. As I stated some things need to be changed so noobs or average players can escape from instakills, but at same time highsec needs to get removed cause its like a cheat. Yes a cheating place where grinding for zero risks. The only risk is wardecs and mechanics enable players to corpjump without a problem. LOL???

At least make it like joinin a new corporation costs 50m * X, being X the number of corporations you have been in your employment history. PWNED to corpjumpers and other cheaters and no-sense-of-faith kids. Also please nerf NPC gaming abilities or make negative bonuses so they want to join a real life player corporation.

and finally: to the dude with a Shin Chan pirate crying on the signature: you are the biggest carebear ever seen. Stop acting so ridiculously 99% of your posts are pure spam (repetitive content) against "crying pirates". Who is crying? You think that behaviour compensates your lack of gaming skills? "sux0rz as i cant kill pirates cus I sux I will smacktalks on forumzzzlol". Stop it kthx.






Slevnin
Posted - 2010.01.15 20:37:00 - [62]
 


Quote's from Scout Ops

"because hisec is overpopulated with carebears refusing to play the actual game."

because low sec gate camps erradicate 99% of bears

"its an obsession to grind more and more ISK and to avoid losing a single ship. "must.......get.......isk!!!!!!" we are trying to get rid of this extended disease... aka, world is not ending because you lose a ship."

its an obsession to grind more bears "MUST....GET....KILLMAIL!!", aka world is not ending when you have no targets.

"so highsec is the most profitable playground while its the safest. WTF? No point. There are 5 classes of missions, 4/5 are in highsec. WTF? Move lvl4 and maybe even lvl3 to lowsec. Even better, remove highsec."

WTF remove low sec cause the pirates are griefing me.....

"now seriously, how realistic is that a team of uber-police-tanks come in grid within 2 seconds and blasts a pirate. WTF? But then if one drops a jetcan and a random dude flips it, and the first one steals back, police allows the fight. WTF? Actually this game is WEIRD."

Now seriously, how realistic is that team of uber-pirate gankers come in grind that miner in seconds and pod, WTF

Sheesh...does it ever end folks, gankers this carebears that....they have it to easy...we have it to hard. If your not happy with your career path....NEWS FLASH you chose it.

sir gankalot
Posted - 2010.01.15 20:44:00 - [63]
 

Oh brother, C&P crowd discussing game mechanics LaughingLaughingLaughing

Empire Dweller
Posted - 2010.01.15 20:50:00 - [64]
 

Confirming im playing hello kitty world as im completely safe in hi sec because of my npc and/or one man corps.


completely safe in hi sec making more iskies then you cause im awesome....

or maybe because you suck...

either way- i haz more iskies then you and im completely safe in hi sec.

Yesh
Unjustified Ancients of MuMu
Posted - 2010.01.15 20:52:00 - [65]
 

Originally by: Scout Ops
Originally by: Yesh
.... stuff ...

When you pay my subs (or if I sell you my soul) then, and only then, may you dictate how I should play this game.




WTF ... stuff .... WTF .... moar stuff .... WTF ... WTF




I highlighted the bit you seemed to have missed.

And for the record I have killed many defenceless noobs in low sec and it was a blast. And I managed to do it even with the existence of high sec. You don't need to get rid of high sec to kill noobs or to have decent fights with experienced players who want to PVP. If you think you do, then you aren't doing it right.

I have suicide ganked in hi sec, I have ninja salvaged to get agro in hi sec I have war dec'd in high sec.

Now I want to carebear in high sec for a while. What's the problem?

De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Norse'Storm Battle Group
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2010.01.15 20:58:00 - [66]
 

Edited by: De''Veldrin on 16/01/2010 00:03:55
Originally by: Yesh

Now I want to carebear in high sec for a while. What's the problem?


You are
Originally by: Scout Ops

refusing to play the actual game



Which is odd, because I thought we were playing an actual game, not an actual real life.

WTF does this all this emo "I can't find anyone to gank because they're too smart to come to me" rage come from?

Edit. I'm not sure my previous quoting came out the way I intended. Read that as You are refusing to play the actual game.

I fail at forum warrioring.

MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.01.15 23:37:00 - [67]
 

Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 15/01/2010 23:40:17
Originally by: Rico Minali
Hisec is for people who dont want risk. 0.0 is for people who dont want rules. lowsec is for people who want laws, but want to break them.
Laughing You lot are funny. This thread is about nerfing hi sec. As soon as your turf and position is attacked you go on the defensive with some half-baked bull****. It's entertaining though, so keep it up.

Back on topic... Lo sec is the only sec without a purpose and needs to be either turned into hi sec or 0.0.

And by the way, there ARE rules in 0.0. It's just lo sec gankers don't like them because it gets them killed :P. But I'm glad the OP brought this to light.

CCP: PLEASE get rid of lo sec as it is space being wasted in nothing. The lo sec pirates already have options to go into other games. Off the top of my head I'm thinking Counterstrike. But there are many others.

Lo sec gankers. I'll rewrap some of the same **** you spew: This is a niche game. If you can't adapt GTFO, GB2Counterstrike, HTFU, and STFU. Or you can keep crying. Your tears are deelicious ugh.


Burnharder
Posted - 2010.01.16 01:02:00 - [68]
 

Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2

Back on topic... Lo sec is the only sec without a purpose and needs to be either turned into hi sec or 0.0.



Lack of imagination alert! Rolling Eyes

Low sec is great. Anomalies, WH and missions are all better/more profitable than high sec (with a slight risk attached) but the most important thing about it is that the great hordes from high sec don't spend much time there, but then neither do huge alliance fleets. It's got as much `purpose' as any group of star systems in an online internet spaceships game but isn't such a pita to live in as 0.0/alliance space can be.

MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.01.16 01:08:00 - [69]
 

Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 16/01/2010 01:11:49
You missed the point Razz. Remember what this thread is about? Getting rid of hi sec because some idiots don't like the idea that targets aren't rushing into their ganks and gate camps. I'm merely pointing out that if anything needs getting rid of is lo sec as it has no purpose other than to provide epeen extensions to prepubescent children. And there are already games catering to them; Counterstrike et al :).

TL;DR = 0.0 and hi sec have their niche audience. Lo sec is full of whiny pirates looking for easy kills, as evidenced from the OP and therefore they're better off just going back to Counterstrike, as this game isn't a fast-paced FPS designed for their attention spans.


L Kahn
Sancta Terra
Posted - 2010.01.16 01:12:00 - [70]
 

erode highsec, do not remove, just make less.

Ran Khanon
Amarr
Swords Horses and Heavy Metal
Posted - 2010.01.16 01:19:00 - [71]
 

Originally by: Slevnin

Quote's from Scout Ops

"because hisec is overpopulated with carebears refusing to play the actual game."

because low sec gate camps erradicate 99% of bears

"its an obsession to grind more and more ISK and to avoid losing a single ship. "must.......get.......isk!!!!!!" we are trying to get rid of this extended disease... aka, world is not ending because you lose a ship."

its an obsession to grind more bears "MUST....GET....KILLMAIL!!", aka world is not ending when you have no targets.

"so highsec is the most profitable playground while its the safest. WTF? No point. There are 5 classes of missions, 4/5 are in highsec. WTF? Move lvl4 and maybe even lvl3 to lowsec. Even better, remove highsec."

WTF remove low sec cause the pirates are griefing me.....

"now seriously, how realistic is that a team of uber-police-tanks come in grid within 2 seconds and blasts a pirate. WTF? But then if one drops a jetcan and a random dude flips it, and the first one steals back, police allows the fight. WTF? Actually this game is WEIRD."

Now seriously, how realistic is that team of uber-pirate gankers come in grind that miner in seconds and pod, WTF

Sheesh...does it ever end folks, gankers this carebears that....they have it to easy...we have it to hard. If your not happy with your career path....NEWS FLASH you chose it.



Amen to that.

This game is thriving because it caters to folks with different interests. It is a home for hardcore pvp'ers as well as hardcore pve fans, traders and manufacturers. This volatile cocktail of different characters is one of EVE's strongest points.

Being the one pirate in a hundred non-pirates should feel much better than being one in a hundred pirates, since there wouldn't be much to pirate on ... Also, without carebearing miners, an event like Hulkageddon wouldn't have been possible.

An expansion of low sec with more incentives to go there would be a nice addition, however.

FunzzeR
Legion of the Scottish Fold
Posted - 2010.01.16 04:23:00 - [72]
 

Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2


TL;DR = 0.0 and low sec have their niche audience. Hi sec is full of whiny carebears looking for no risk, as evidenced from the trolls and therefore they're better off just going back to Hello Kitty Online, as this game isn't a soft cuddly world designed for their comfort levels.




Fixed your post. Very Happy

Thandrol
Gallente
interstellar comets Inc
Posted - 2010.01.16 05:27:00 - [73]
 

"actual game".... is determined by each player in this game is it not? Shall we leave that to them and/or CCP?

On the suggestion of moving lvl 4 and/or lvl 3 missions to low sec: The problem I foresee is given the proclivity of people scanning other people down already in high sec missions, the ease of accessing the whereabouts of particular agents and the general penchant for most people to go after the easiest(and the most lucrative in this case) kill possible, no one would really be able to run missions. Given the aggro mechanics of NPCs, there is little chance for the missions runner to survive an encounter with a pirate with even half a brain in a low sec mission(feel free to correct me on this, as its been awhile). Possibly changing the aggro mechanics would help this.

I used to love low sec myself. Still do visually but, right now, it isn't really worth it. Can't mine alone without warping to a "safespot"(heh, relative term)every 10 seconds when someone enters as you really can't trust a living soul in this game, well, you can trust them to kill you when its profitable. I'm not blaming or complaining about anyone's behavior but, when you combine that with the lackluster npc rats(compared to lvl 3 and 4 or 0.0), the endlessly disrupted mining "opportunities" and the poor status of the markets out there.....yeah I might as well go back to 0.0 instead. Oh I almost forgot multi boxing.

Most corps around my area also are either "We're terrified of low-sec, there is no profit, research in high sec instead" or "Yarr! Can FLip Noobs!! Gank Nubz LOLROFL I R leet low sec gate camper" Maybe its my timezone -_-, .....

Whatever, with the above said, I cannot say turning everything or virtually everything low sec and null sec would be a particularly wise idea. Shame to, I kinda miss those fun romps through places like reblier but, that was years ago.

Don Pellegrino
Pod Liberation Authority
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2010.01.16 05:55:00 - [74]
 

Yay for 20M isk Damage Controls and 150M battlecruisers

Dushu Apara
Posted - 2010.01.16 07:38:00 - [75]
 

Make all systems as nullsec. Let the bigger alliances take care all of them.

Any more stupid ideas?

Durzel
The Xenodus Initiative.
Posted - 2010.01.16 10:40:00 - [76]
 

Edited by: Durzel on 16/01/2010 10:40:15
I too would like to have to pay 300M+ ISK for T2 cruisers because I don't like mining therefore all miners must be ostracised until they quit the game.

If you removed highsec then the people you hate because all they do is mission there would just quit, they won't suddenly have an radical attitude shift and start flying their deadspace-fit CNRs into Rancer.

That's the logical fallacy in dumb suggestions like this, it pre-supposes that nothing else would change "just by removing highsec", when in reality if CCP did this they would wipe out the majority of their subscriber base. Furthermore you can bet once that happened the very same people making these absurd suggestions would be moaning about the cost of everything on the market that was previously being manufactured by those people living in highsec.

As things stand currently there is a delicate symbiotic relationship between PvP'rs and PvE'rs that - if you're prepared to step back and accept that the way you happen to want to play the game isn't the be all and end all - works pretty well.

tl;dr: Only short-sighted morons without any understanding of symbiotic relationships propose the sort of crap that the OP has.

Furb Killer
Gallente
Posted - 2010.01.16 10:47:00 - [77]
 

Just make everything sov 0.0. The carebears move to 0.0 systems to carebear there. The high sec wardeccers ragequit because they lose concord protection. Ninja salvaging and can baiting wont exist anymore. The few npc systems remaining would only have stuff sold at ridiculous prices, since normally the alliances just sell the stuff in their own systems, why sell to the people who then probably raid in your systems with it? The message the current low sec pirates need to get used to is probably "docking request denied" since they wont have docking rights anywhere.

Eestaan
Posted - 2010.01.16 11:01:00 - [78]
 

lol it seems the game is getting to hard for all those wannabe pirates Very Happy

Lucas Lucias
Posted - 2010.01.16 11:07:00 - [79]
 

To the OP and those that agree with him/her, oh dear, don't have enough easy targets for your killboard to get all aroused over..., what a fail thread...

MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.01.16 13:53:00 - [80]
 

Originally by: FunzzeR
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2


TL;DR = 0.0 and low sec have their niche audience. Hi sec is full of whiny carebears looking for no risk, as evidenced from the trolls and therefore they're better off just going back to Hello Kitty Online, as this game isn't a soft cuddly world designed for their comfort levels.




Fixed your post. Very Happy

Laughing Seriously, did you read the OP? The whines and tears, including this OP are about GANKERS WHINING, not carebears :). But I wouldn't expect you to know this as your lack of brains blocks you from even reading the title of the topic Wink.

I'll see if I can explain it to you in a language you can understand (LEET speak perhaps?):

tHe oN3s wH1n1nG aNd CryInG aRe pAnSy p1RaTes t00 lAzY t0 wORk 4 ThE1R k1LLz.

Did it compute, cryrat? ugh


Dr Deadbolt
Gallente
Posted - 2010.01.16 15:25:00 - [81]
 

Originally by: Scout Ops


because hisec is overpopulated with carebears refusing to play the actual game.






dumbest statement ever on these forums ?

Dudley North
Posted - 2010.01.16 17:34:00 - [82]
 

Originally by: Dr Deadbolt
Originally by: Scout Ops


because hisec is overpopulated with carebears refusing to play the actual game.






dumbest statement ever on these forums ?


It's got to count as one of the dumbest although it's got to go some to be the actual dumbest.

"Forcing" people into low-sec just won't work. If the "carebears" liked full-on PvP they'd be doing it already. "Force" people into low-sec and they'll either go in fully armed with the aim of spanking p-rats(as I do already) or just leave the game.

Now if it was actually worth the risk of bringing an industrial/miner/mission ship into low sec, as in you actually could make money out of it, you might get a few more targets who won't shoot back non-intensive combat encounters.

As it stands only an idiot or someone with a real inside-track on a very limited opportunity would risk taking a non-combat ship into low-sec.


FunzzeR
Legion of the Scottish Fold
Posted - 2010.01.16 17:45:00 - [83]
 

Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Originally by: FunzzeR
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2


TL;DR = 0.0 and low sec have their niche audience. Hi sec is full of whiny carebears looking for no risk, as evidenced from the trolls and therefore they're better off just going back to Hello Kitty Online, as this game isn't a soft cuddly world designed for their comfort levels.




Fixed your post. Very Happy

Laughing Seriously, did you read the OP? The whines and tears, including this OP are about GANKERS WHINING, not carebears :). But I wouldn't expect you to know this as your lack of brains blocks you from even reading the title of the topic Wink.

I'll see if I can explain it to you in a language you can understand (LEET speak perhaps?):

tHe oN3s wH1n1nG aNd CryInG aRe pAnSy p1RaTes t00 lAzY t0 wORk 4 ThE1R k1LLz.

Did it compute, cryrat? ugh




Indeed I read and comprehended the op (obvious troll btw) and I already commented that its probably not the brightest idea to remove high sec but rather focus on the risk/reward dynamics between hisec/lowsec/0.0. So you seem to have had a reading comprehension failure as my post specifically alluded to your and the other people's whining posts.Rolling Eyes

Oh and to your idea of removing low sec and replacing it with 0.0, sounds good if all the big isk faucets (read missions) are removed or reduced so that there is more incentive to live in 0.0 with none of this high sec mission alt nonsense.

But oh wait you probably won't understand that because I am plebeian gankbear right? Laughing

Sturdy Girl
Silent Ninja's
Posted - 2010.01.16 18:24:00 - [84]
 

Edited by: Sturdy Girl on 16/01/2010 18:25:04
I'd sooner see some of hisec removed, and some of losec removed, to form a new "midsec".

Basically, I'd like to see
hisec from 1.0 to 0.7,
midsec from 0.6 to 0.4 and
losec from 0.3 to 0.1

Hisec would function exactly as it does.

Midsec would have concord at gates & stations only, and concord would be unbeatable, but potentially escapable.

Losec would remain as it is.

---

I would then suggest that all L4+ agents are moved to Midsec or lower.

---

Finally, all systems should have +/- 1.5 dynamic security status... eg, those at the edge of their group can be lowered or raised... but with the universe as a whole having an equilibrium established (eg, if a system goes down 0.1 somewhere, some other systems go up by a total of 0.1 to counterbalance).


This way you get more of a graident of danger, added risks to lvl 4s, more purpose to 0.0 and the newly created midsec, and the abilty to change the power balance in an area in favour of security / piracy.

Dracoknight
Posted - 2010.01.16 19:05:00 - [85]
 

Edited by: Dracoknight on 16/01/2010 19:06:11


yet another of this ****ty discussions with people that have no idea of either...

in my opinion, just remove systems from EVE in general and put a gigantic mega system and let the lag kill the game...


Smacktalking Alt
Posted - 2010.01.16 19:33:00 - [86]
 

Originally by: Dracoknight
Edited by: Dracoknight on 16/01/2010 19:06:11


yet another of this ****ty discussions with people that have no idea of either...

in my opinion, just remove systems from EVE in general and put a gigantic mega system and let the lag kill the game...




But the denizens of this monolithic system will still be whining and arguing over what the sec status should be. Face it: if you don't like people whining, you're in the wrong gaming community species.

MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.01.16 20:09:00 - [87]
 

Originally by: FunzzeR
Indeed I read and comprehended the op (obvious troll btw) and I already commented that its probably not the brightest idea to remove high sec but rather focus on the risk/reward dynamics between hisec/lowsec/0.0. So you seem to have had a reading comprehension failure as my post specifically alluded to your and the other people's whining posts.Rolling Eyes

Oh and to your idea of removing low sec and replacing it with 0.0, sounds good if all the big isk faucets (read missions) are removed or reduced so that there is more incentive to live in 0.0 with none of this high sec mission alt nonsense.

But oh wait you probably won't understand that because I am plebeian gankbear right? Laughing
Laughing Your tears. I wish I could lick them straight off your cheeks as they are the freshest that way.

It hurts you when someone suggests to remove your playground from you but have no hesitations in suggesting to remove carebears' playground from them. Typical hypocrite. If you don't like how others play the game then GTFO and go play Counterstrike :).


Danks
Caldari
Fat Angry Toe Tappin Inbreds
Posted - 2010.01.16 20:15:00 - [88]
 

Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Originally by: FunzzeR
Indeed I read and comprehended the op (obvious troll btw) and I already commented that its probably not the brightest idea to remove high sec but rather focus on the risk/reward dynamics between hisec/lowsec/0.0. So you seem to have had a reading comprehension failure as my post specifically alluded to your and the other people's whining posts.Rolling Eyes

Oh and to your idea of removing low sec and replacing it with 0.0, sounds good if all the big isk faucets (read missions) are removed or reduced so that there is more incentive to live in 0.0 with none of this high sec mission alt nonsense.

But oh wait you probably won't understand that because I am plebeian gankbear right? Laughing
Laughing Your tears. I wish I could lick them straight off your cheeks as they are the freshest that way.

It hurts you when someone suggests to remove your playground from you but have no hesitations in suggesting to remove carebears' playground from them. Typical hypocrite. If you don't like how others play the game then GTFO and go play Counterstrike :).




Forget High Sec, we need to get rid of faceless alts who can't be held accountable for the dribble that spews from their pie holes.


Lady Sarine
Posted - 2010.01.16 20:16:00 - [89]
 

I don't think the OP is a troll. If it IS a troll it's a pretty pointless one. Anyone can say something stupid then sit back as the flames come in and say 'ha ha I sooo trolled you morons .. brap brap pat me on the back'.

On topic my TL;DR response is keep high sec because it keeps diversity in the game.

Not everyone wants to or has to PVP. If you can't find PVP targets without resorting to killing noobs or those that aren't fitted and willing to PVP then tbh you are a carebear yourself. Selecting targets with the odds stacked in your favour (ie PVE fitted 'bears') is a form of carebearing in itself. Risk = very low, Reward = very high. Sound familiar? shabba!

And suppose there WAS no high sec? Who would supply all the minerals for building replacement PVP ships? The only miners still mining thank you very much would belong to large alliances (same for L4 mission runners) as it would be too dangerous to provide the minerals needed to build new ships without the security blanket of high sec, ok you foolish dude? And guess what ... the large alliances aren't going to let you dock in their station to replace your ship ... or mods ... or rigs ... oh no!

No, you will have fun for a while until you loose your ship, then you will have to scour many systems just to fit a reasonable cruiser and get camped in the many stations you have to dock in to fit your new ship and then you be crying in these forums that you wish Jita wasn't full of huge gate/station camps all the time and that we need to bring back hi sec.

Or maybe it would be great ugh


FunzzeR
Legion of the Scottish Fold
Posted - 2010.01.16 20:24:00 - [90]
 

Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Originally by: FunzzeR
Indeed I read and comprehended the op (obvious troll btw) and I already commented that its probably not the brightest idea to remove high sec but rather focus on the risk/reward dynamics between hisec/lowsec/0.0. So you seem to have had a reading comprehension failure as my post specifically alluded to your and the other people's whining posts.Rolling Eyes

Oh and to your idea of removing low sec and replacing it with 0.0, sounds good if all the big isk faucets (read missions) are removed or reduced so that there is more incentive to live in 0.0 with none of this high sec mission alt nonsense.

But oh wait you probably won't understand that because I am plebeian gankbear right? Laughing
Laughing Your tears. I wish I could lick them straight off your cheeks as they are the freshest that way.

It hurts you when someone suggests to remove your playground from you but have no hesitations in suggesting to remove carebears' playground from them. Typical hypocrite. If you don't like how others play the game then GTFO and go play Counterstrike :).




Your attempts to verbally char my ego are amusing at best, but alas your failure to slow down and read what is actually written is quite disturbing (read: I think you are a troll). Unlike you, I have no problems if my "playground" were removed and would adapt in ways that would enhance my enjoyment of the game. After all, if you did a little research you might find that I make my playground in hisec/lowsec/0.0.

I believe its you who is the typical hypocrite that crys when someone suggest something you don't like. If you don't like how other play and post go play Hello Kitty Online. :)

Unlike you, I advocate balance over extremism. As neither extreme, carebear or pirate would make for a good lasting gaming experience.


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