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Big Badaboom
C3 Tech
Rally Against Evil
Posted - 2010.01.15 01:01:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Big Badaboom on 15/01/2010 01:01:38
Please allowme me first to congratulate the

1220 Exhumer Pilots
332 Mining Barge Pilots
12 Orca Pilots

For being publicly listed and registered ***MORONS***

We all knew about Hulkageddon weeks in advance, we all knew what was gonna happen, and still some people (mostly friggin MACRO MINERS) decided to challenge their faith and go mining.

IF you all had just DROPPED the mining for a day or two or three, those sorry lamers would have been bored, and gone back to their noob can baiting, their Jita Scamming, and whatever you could imagine "that kind" of people do for entertainment.

But no... With every moron that undocked in a barge, they got another kill, another erection, another blood rush, and another reason to keep going.

I am not whining about the event, I honestly think it was impressive to actually pull this one off, they got way further than I would ever have thought, and I admire their persistance, once they tasted blood, they wanted more. 1600+ Miners (read : IDIOTS), well done.

Thanks for listening :)

vr0p
Gallente
Ivory Research LLC
Galactic Acqisition Specialists
Posted - 2010.01.15 01:04:00 - [2]
 

Because everyone reads the forums and news items, right?

By the way, honestly curious about the news items, are they all translated to all the localized versions of Eve? Or does everyone just get English news posts?

Big Badaboom
C3 Tech
Rally Against Evil
Posted - 2010.01.15 01:08:00 - [3]
 

I do seriously hope that everybody reads the news, and checks on the forums, at least once a month, or week!

I actually don't know about the news... Whether they are translated, or localized. I run English clients.

Merouk Baas
Gallente
Posted - 2010.01.15 01:19:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Merouk Baas on 15/01/2010 01:19:30


Actually, the majority of the player base probably doesn't read the forums and didn't know about the Hulkageddon. I.E. it's not as big as you'd like.

Anyway, you could peruse through past Economic Newsletters to find out the total number of Hulk/Barge/Orca pilots, and compare that to the 1564 that were killed. You could also look at the market history data for these ships to see if sales jumped up in any noticable way due to all these pilots having to replace their ships.

Probably not.

Big Badaboom
C3 Tech
Rally Against Evil
Posted - 2010.01.15 01:47:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Merouk Baas
Edited by: Merouk Baas on 15/01/2010 01:19:30


Actually, the majority of the player base probably doesn't read the forums and didn't know about the Hulkageddon. I.E. it's not as big as you'd like.

Anyway, you could peruse through past Economic Newsletters to find out the total number of Hulk/Barge/Orca pilots, and compare that to the 1564 that were killed. You could also look at the market history data for these ships to see if sales jumped up in any noticable way due to all these pilots having to replace their ships.

Probably not.


Considering they only targeted Empire Systems, it's pretty big.

Remember, most mining happens in 0.0, where miners already take precautions in order to mine, in the first place.
And yes, Hulk Prices Spiked in Jita for the last 5 (of the 7) days, that's even very obvious on the charts.

Queen Athena
Posted - 2010.01.15 02:10:00 - [6]
 

Here is the problem with your line of thinking. So, 1500 ships were killed... there are an estimated 10k exhumers on a day (source, guesstimate). So for the whole week, one had a fraction of a percent chance of dying in this event.

Now look at 1 days worth of Mackinaw Ice mining at the conservative 400isk per isotope:

Assuming Exhumer IV and Ice Harvesting V and 21hours macro mining:
Mackinaw (375 cycle, 3 cycles per cargohold, 3minutes between cycles) ~58 trips @ 12 ice each = 696 ice or 87mil isk
Mackinaw W/AFK Orca [email protected]% (280.5 cycle, 3cycles per cargohold, 3 minutes between cycle) ~74 trips @ 12 ice = 888 ice or 111mil isk

Now, a lightly fitted mackinaw, with cargo rigs and T2 Ice Harvesters is less than 150mil isk even with the new prices... You would have to of lost 3 mackinaws in example A, and 5 mackinaws in example B to have lost isk this week if you are Macro Suck-Ball scum.

Just saying

Big Badaboom
C3 Tech
Rally Against Evil
Posted - 2010.01.15 02:36:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Queen Athena
Here is the problem with your line of thinking. So, 1500 ships were killed... there are an estimated 10k exhumers on a day (source, guesstimate). So for the whole week, one had a fraction of a percent chance of dying in this event.

Now look at 1 days worth of Mackinaw Ice mining at the conservative 400isk per isotope:

Assuming Exhumer IV and Ice Harvesting V and 21hours macro mining:
Mackinaw (375 cycle, 3 cycles per cargohold, 3minutes between cycles) ~58 trips @ 12 ice each = 696 ice or 87mil isk
Mackinaw W/AFK Orca [email protected]% (280.5 cycle, 3cycles per cargohold, 3 minutes between cycle) ~74 trips @ 12 ice = 888 ice or 111mil isk

Now, a lightly fitted mackinaw, with cargo rigs and T2 Ice Harvesters is less than 150mil isk even with the new prices... You would have to of lost 3 mackinaws in example A, and 5 mackinaws in example B to have lost isk this week if you are Macro Suck-Ball scum.

Just saying


You are right, it is hard to reason with "Macro Suck-Ball scum".
They are in it for the RL cash, and it sux, we can't do anything about them, other than encourage more Hulkageddons, and staying out of the line of fire.

But it doesn't change the fact that I hate them for it, and I still think that each and every miner that died this week is a MORON.

Serge Bastana
Gallente
GWA Corp
Posted - 2010.01.15 03:59:00 - [8]
 

I think the reason so many players didn't have a clue about the event is lack of communication, in that they tend not to communicate with others a great deal in the game. I know of several chat channels where Hulkageddon was discussed leading up to the event. Perhaps if some of the players who lost ships had been more communicative with those in their corps they may have heard talk about it and not been so oblivious to such a well publicized happening.


Cyprus Black
Caldari
Perkone
Posted - 2010.01.15 04:40:00 - [9]
 

Something tells me Hulkaggeden will continue on a few days after the contest officially ends.

Aya
Posted - 2010.01.15 06:17:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Aya on 15/01/2010 06:21:06
100 mil to whoever takes care of this FIRST.... proof is required

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/8983/exhumers.jpg

Carniflex
StarHunt
Fallout Project
Posted - 2010.01.15 09:37:00 - [11]
 

1220 exhumers are just a drop in the sea. Stuff happens this is eve. So take your medicine and move on m8. Ofc it sucks to be blown up in your exhumer, but with current insurance even mining in Osprey would not make you utterly unprofitable to gank. It's not like as a miner in the belt you can do alot about it. Even if you are all altertness and stressed all it takes is one frigate bumping you until gank arrives and kills you.

Serpents smile
Posted - 2010.01.15 09:46:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Serge Bastana
I think the reason so many players didn't have a clue about the event is lack of communication, in that they tend not to communicate with others a great deal in the game. I know of several chat channels where Hulkageddon was discussed leading up to the event. Perhaps if some of the players who lost ships had been more communicative with those in their corps they may have heard talk about it and not been so oblivious to such a well publicized happening.




I think its more a stick head in sand attitude, -> it won't happen to me. They may gank others but not me. Laughingugh

Tom Sasaki
Posted - 2010.01.15 10:38:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Serpents smile

I think its more a stick head in sand attitude, -> it won't happen to me. They may gank others but not me. Laughingugh
That was my attitude and I was correct.

Some Advisor
Posted - 2010.01.15 11:19:00 - [14]
 

odd. i didnt lost my hulks, neither did my full mining OP that we do on a daily basis (including Orca AND Rorqual).

try harder plz

Mistress Servelan
Amarr
Imperial Academy
Posted - 2010.01.15 11:26:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Big Badaboom
I do seriously hope that everybody reads the news, and checks on the forums, at least once a month, or week!


.............why? The "news" is a joke. And the forums are a joke.

Seems like a waste of time. Unless you're bored at work, why ****ing bother.

Some Advisor
Posted - 2010.01.15 11:40:00 - [16]
 

because you can find interesting bits of information sometimes :)

gobbybobby
Gallente
Solisk Executive Wing
Test Friends Please Ignore
Posted - 2010.01.15 11:46:00 - [17]
 

I only knew of one person who lost a ship to this event. I saw nothing, and was mining in my hulk all through the event, On the note of insurence, I should take some out :P

000Hunter000
Gallente
Missiles 'R' Us
Posted - 2010.01.15 12:11:00 - [18]
 

Hulkageddon? Whats that?

Nobody bothered to pop my hulk, and certainly nobody even bothered to target my Orca the last couple a days... It was like it never excisted in the first place... go figure... Rolling Eyes

Why not next time goto 0.0 and try it there instead?

Monty D
Posted - 2010.01.15 12:52:00 - [19]
 

Must be missing something, where do you get the figures from?

Winterjack
Posted - 2010.01.15 13:48:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Merouk Baas
Actually, the majority of the player base probably doesn't read the forums and didn't know about the Hulkageddon. I.E. it's not as big as you'd like.


It was advertised by spamming the trade hub local channels. Incidentally, that's how I got to know of it.
Also, the population in the belts I was mining suddenly dropped very close to zero. None of the regulars (you tend to see the same names around the belts if you mine in the same place ;)) was there. Doesn't that make you wonder?

If you don't read news, you don't read forums, you don't watch locals, and you fail to wonder why people are not mining anymore... well. Whose fault is that?

Quote:
Anyway, you could peruse through past Economic Newsletters to find out the total number of Hulk/Barge/Orca pilots, and compare that to the 1564 that were killed.


According to some figures I've seen on the forums, there's about 16k hulk pilots. 7-10% is not that small of a number :)

Fergus McRae
Gallente
New Eden Regimental Navy
Rebel Alliance of New Eden
Posted - 2010.01.15 13:56:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Winterjack


If you don't read news, you don't read forums, you don't watch locals, and you fail to wonder why people are not mining anymore... well. Whose fault is that?



Y'know, in other games, not visiting the forums or reading any of the news updates really isn't a big deal. You don't find WoW players checking anything other than thotbot or other in-game resource pages. EVE, however, has dozens of secondary resource pages that specifically monitor in-game activity.

Ultimately, it's because of the nature of those two beasts, I guess. WoW, CoH and other "Theme-Park" games just don't require checking up on by the individual player. They know that no matter when they log in, the game will be, essentially, the same as it was when they last logged out. In a game like EVE, however, you can't do that. You HAVE to keep up with what's going on because the only things that "go on" are things done by players.

In a "theme-park" game, you can totally get away with not visiting the forums, it's ultimately very understandable, and almost nothing you miss on the forums will be anythign severe. In fact, most theme-park games send an email to the playerbase when there's a major change, and any and all major changes are a result of the developers.

In EVE, not doing your homework is an unforgiveable offense. If you're going to do well, you need to know the landscape, and anyone who's played the game longer than about a week should know this. If an event is announced and you're not aware of it because you didn't do your homework, then any negative consequences you suffer are your own fault. Don't like it? Then maybe EVE isn't the game for you... In fact, maybe sandbox games in general aren't for you.

Germaldi's sister
Amarr
Posted - 2010.01.15 23:10:00 - [22]
 

hulkageddon is indeed still going on even after the contest has finished

i lost a retriever and a hauler today :( still at least my orca and 5 maks survived

BUT i will be allowing my industrial accounts to expire at the end of the month as i see no point in continuing to pay for accounts that i cant use anymore cos the belts are constantly being hit by suicide gankers.

i will reactivate them if ccp finally addresses the problem and removes the insurence payout if concord kills u and fixes the mining career as a whole. ie: 1 remove t1 loot drops from missions 2. reduce drone alloy drop rate and 3. give ALL t1 barges the ability to fit some sort of tank.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2010.01.15 23:18:00 - [23]
 

And a salute for the 700k-800k or so units of Technetium that bravely gave their life for t3h lulz Twisted Evil

Xtreem
Gallente
The Collective
White Noise.
Posted - 2010.01.15 23:18:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Some Advisor
odd. i didnt lost my hulks, neither did my full mining OP that we do on a daily basis (including Orca AND Rorqual).

try harder plz


this was about ganking hi sec miners mainly if you were using a Rorqual then you must have been in low sec or below as they cant be used in hi-sec

Merouk Baas
Gallente
Posted - 2010.01.15 23:22:00 - [25]
 

Actually if you want CCP to fix the mining career, you should ask for mining improvements. Anything to get rid of the boredom of it and improve the yield would be nice.

I'd have no problem with huge cargoholds on the mining ships, and some sort of metagame to keep you there; heck, tetris, the better you are the more ore your lasers pull in.

Germaldi's sister
Amarr
Posted - 2010.01.15 23:29:00 - [26]
 

Edited by: Germaldi''s sister on 15/01/2010 23:30:59
suicide ganking attempts wouldnt bother me except for the fact t1 mining barges have no way to defend themselves against a smartbombing bs.

lets up the anti and have concord POD KILL suicide gankers

add some risk to gankers.

t1 barges should be able to tank as good as a t1 cruiser

t2 barges should be able to tank as good as a t1 bc

Abrazzar
Posted - 2010.01.15 23:37:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Germaldi's sister
Edited by: Germaldi''s sister on 15/01/2010 23:30:59
suicide ganking attempts wouldnt bother me except for the fact t1 mining barges have no way to defend themselves against a smartbombing bs.

lets up the anti and have concord POD KILL suicide gankers

add some risk to gankers.

t1 barges should be able to tank as good as a t1 cruiser

t2 barges should be able to tank as good as a t1 bc

Retriever: 6k EHPs against EM, Covetor 13k EHPs against EM. A volley of smartbombs does 2400 damage. Granted, it'll cost you the mining upgrades and needs some rigs, but they are far from defenseless.

Big Badaboom
C3 Tech
Rally Against Evil
Posted - 2010.01.15 23:55:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Monty D
Must be missing something, where do you get the figures from?


Here : http://hulkageddon.wordpress.com/
and
Here : http://hulkageddon2.griefwatch.net/

*baffled at the ignorance about this across the board* Shocked

Big Badaboom
C3 Tech
Rally Against Evil
Posted - 2010.01.16 00:00:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Mistress Servelan
Originally by: Big Badaboom
I do seriously hope that everybody reads the news, and checks on the forums, at least once a month, or week!


.............why? The "news" is a joke. And the forums are a joke.

Seems like a waste of time. Unless you're bored at work, why ****ing bother.


Because, if you don't, you sound dumb when people ask you about major events that you had no clue about Very Happy
Because, if you don't, you undock and THEN realize that SOV changed, the outpost was taken, and you can't dock again Twisted Evil
Because, if you don't, you download and run a patch, reboot "just to make sure", and your computer won't boot again Embarassed
Because, if you don't, you start whining and cry "cheaters" in local, about something that was a legitimate change/fix Laughing
Because, if you don't, you waste weeks on training useless skills to level V, even after the prereqs for the skill you wanted, was reduced to IV Shocked

My suggestion, be smart, and check the news and forums ;)Cool



Armoured C
Gallente
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2010.01.16 00:23:00 - [30]
 

if you think
that majority is not even like a % of the actualy amount of pilot that fly them ,

and well if you tally up the % that actually read the forums i bet you it actually more that the amount of barge pilots out there



op fail just on principle TBH






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