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Bigchicken061
Posted - 2010.01.13 01:16:00 - [1]
 

I been talking to a few people and we have come to an agreement that if you do a criminal act which sparks concord you should not get insurance. In doing this would greatly reduce the high sec piracy which will make it safer as it should be.

Lovejoy II
Posted - 2010.01.13 02:41:00 - [2]
 

The problem is not that high sec isnt safe enough. The problem is pirating in high sec is nearly risk free because of insurance.

DuKackBoon
Posted - 2010.01.13 03:22:00 - [3]
 

sigh...EVE is supposed to be dangerous, that includes Highsec.

mchief117
Posted - 2010.01.13 03:30:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: DuKackBoon
sigh...EVE is supposed to be dangerous, that includes Highsec.


Apperantly one does not understand the aspect of the word "security" high sec is supposed to be guarded space and granted "bad guys" can get through from time ot time , litteraly whats stopping concord from telling the "cops" not to pay insurance on a ship that was owned by a pirate. i mean today they lock your accounts and freeze your assets should you get into a crime big enough . there is currently no Risk with suicide runs in high sec as the ship sis pretty much covered fully by insurace.

so in sort ya , pirate get no insurace if they die in this fashion

Mr Cleann
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2010.01.13 04:42:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Mr Cleann on 13/01/2010 04:46:23
The insurance mechanics needs to be brought up to date. at the moment it only covers the cost of the ship that was lost up to 99% of the value of the mineral content used to build the ship. It also does not care how you lost the the ship. Making it easy for insurance fraud as you can self destruct the ship and get millions back depending on the ship type.

Some changes that would be nice is something like this.

Unless you are a rookie in a rookie ship. In the event you comit a crime in empire resulting in the loss of your ship. You do not get any insurance payoffs AND you get fined out the ass based on the sec lvl of the system that the crime was commited in. Since wealthy people would not be capable of feeling the pain of a fine due to the vast amount of money they have (especially in real life) the fine should be based on a percentage of their wealth and your wealth x the sec level where the crime was commited. The money from the fine would go to the victim. Crime should not pay unless its to the victim :)

The other area is fraud. If you have an insured ship and self destruct it to get the money. your insurance becomes null and void. Unless the system showes you were shot at by a non corp / non alliance mate ship

There should be a new set of insurance categories that would let you insure the modules and drones as well as the freight / ammo / probes in the cargo hold. Or just a seperate category that balnket covers the all the above.

DrDooma
Posted - 2010.01.13 05:08:00 - [6]
 

If you wont to be safe, go to 0.0 space and kill anything that looks suspicions. You can take it a step further and kill everything but its hard to make friends that way.

High sec is not suppose to be risk free. No space is suppose to be risk free, that is the core of what makes Eve different from all other games.

Valandril
Caldari
Ex-Mortis
Posted - 2010.01.13 07:25:00 - [7]
 

I've talked to some people and we agreed that you should leave the game and leave your stuff on contract to me. Doing that will remove a bit of idiocy from eve which will make it better as it should be.

Bigchicken061
Posted - 2010.01.13 08:22:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: DrDooma

High sec is not suppose to be risk free. No space is suppose to be risk free, that is the core of what makes Eve different from all other games.



I never said high sec would be completly safe it would be safer. Nothing can stop suside ganking in high sec just it will cost the wallet alot more. Which in turn will reduce the priacy

morphsexy
Posted - 2010.01.13 08:43:00 - [9]
 

I agree

leave hi-sec as is but just make it harder for people to get the insurance back from ganking in hi-sec

Callista Sincera
Amarr
Hedion University
Posted - 2010.01.13 09:44:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: DuKackBoon
sigh...EVE is supposed to be dangerous, that includes Highsec.


The problem is, that right now, it is a 100% safe for pirates. A suicide gank costs less than the insurance payout and people get ganked for as little as 10M if the ganker gets bored and no bigger targets are around.

Warpouts and warp-to-zero on gates make it pretty safe again, but the current insurance mechanic is nontheless completely stupid. The payout is so high that even a failed gank may still return ISK (hence: 0 risk, guaranteed reward, a completely nonsensical game mechanic). A BS can be produced below insurance payout minus cost, effectively making you money just by blowing them up. For example, an Abaddon can be produced and selfdestructed for about 12-16M profit, so the loot from the target is just a bonus.

The only thing the the ganker loses is sec status, but that will be automatically fixed by running a couple of missions, which incidently, also produce tons of ISK.

Valandril
Caldari
Ex-Mortis
Posted - 2010.01.13 10:23:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Callista Sincera
Originally by: DuKackBoon
sigh...EVE is supposed to be dangerous, that includes Highsec.


The problem is, that right now, it is a 100% safe for pirates. A suicide gank costs less than the insurance payout and people get ganked for as little as 10M if the ganker gets bored and no bigger targets are around.

Warpouts and warp-to-zero on gates make it pretty safe again, but the current insurance mechanic is nontheless completely stupid. The payout is so high that even a failed gank may still return ISK (hence: 0 risk, guaranteed reward, a completely nonsensical game mechanic). A BS can be produced below insurance payout minus cost, effectively making you money just by blowing them up. For example, an Abaddon can be produced and selfdestructed for about 12-16M profit, so the loot from the target is just a bonus.

The only thing the the ganker loses is sec status, but that will be automatically fixed by running a couple of missions, which incidently, also produce tons of ISK.
Go get a clue.
If ships are sold for less than you can get for insuring and self destructing , then why people won't buyout market ?
Oh that's right, because it's not profitable.

DrDooma
Posted - 2010.01.13 10:34:00 - [12]
 

Your calculations need to consider cost of production, cost of minerals and cost of time. If you think it is profitable to loose a BS that worth 50M to 60M by insuring it for 30M, spending 15M to 20M+ on minerals and 3 to 4 hours on building, insuring and fitting I suggest you try it and post some details regarding your success to make your point.

Cain m
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2010.01.13 10:35:00 - [13]
 

CONCORD is already way OP, you used to be able to gate camp in highsec and camp concord. Now they can instapop a ehp fit piloted leviathan.

Ere Colliseru
Etoilles Mortant Ltd.
Solyaris Chtonium
Posted - 2010.01.13 11:31:00 - [14]
 

Pure logical spoken the idea should be realized. It is widely talked about that Eve is like real life and therefore not safe.

In real life if someone is caught by police he not only get a punishment (in our case its the loss of the ship), but also he is not insured anymore (would need to be introduced) AND if he has got the money he as to pay the damage he caused (i.e. not only the truck but also the freight i.e. other cars).

This would mirror life more realistic. Thats no whining, just pure facts.

Czert ElPrezidente
Caldari
Posted - 2010.01.13 11:45:00 - [15]
 

Is very easy way how to eliminate (or reduce) sucide ganging/allways profiting piracy in hing sec - at that is eliminitating paying of insurance when you ship get concorded.

And this leave to your only one question - why ccp didnt removed it - and this has ben brought many times.

Peter Powers
FinFleet
Raiden.
Posted - 2010.01.13 12:54:00 - [16]
 

i think it should be more like:
- remove insurance on concord agression
- remove insurance from lowsec/0.0 kills
- remove insurance on selfdestruct.

ty.

Callista Sincera
Amarr
Hedion University
Posted - 2010.01.13 14:12:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: Callista Sincera on 13/01/2010 14:39:24
Originally by: Valandril
Go get a clue.


Thank you, but I think I do have a clue. Because I can BUILD abaddons for 14M-8M below insurance just to blow them up. Can you? No please go back to your dark place and get a clue. Thanks.


Originally by: Valandril
If ships are sold for less than you can get for insuring and self destructing , then why people won't buyout market ?
Oh that's right, because it's not profitable.


People buy out the market, Mr. Brains. Why do you think the price is so stable at exactly insurance payout-cost? Did you actually do the math or did you just want to leave your dark little hole to spew out some insults again? If so, go back please.

Originally by: DrDooma
Your calculations need to consider cost of production, cost of minerals and cost of time. If you think it is profitable to loose a BS that worth 50M to 60M by insuring it for 30M, spending 15M to 20M+ on minerals and 3 to 4 hours on building, insuring and fitting I suggest you try it and post some details regarding your success to make your point.


Believe me I did the Math. Otherwise I wouldn't have payed 1.6B to get an Abaddon BPO. I refer you to the Market Discussion forum if you really live behind a moon and haven't read the "Exploding Spaceship Buisiness" thread.

edit: Profit obviously changing with current mineral prices. Pyerite is quite high atm, which results in about 8-10M net win atm. These are current Rens prices. As you can see production costs are at ~118M, anything below 126 (payout-cos) yields a profit: Linkage


 

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