open All Channels
seplocked EVE Fiction
blankseplocked Armour Repairers.
 
This thread is older than 90 days and has been locked due to inactivity.


 
Author Topic

Gzalzi Tralan
Gallente
Tralan Industries
Posted - 2010.01.04 08:08:00 - [1]
 

I understand how they are supposed to work in game, but is there any feasible lore-friendly way that "Armour Tanking" could actually work?

Those Nano-assemblers wouldn't have an unlimited supply of materials to repair with, now would they?

Lord Arshavir
Amarr
Posted - 2010.01.04 08:52:00 - [2]
 

Originally by: Gzalzi Tralan
I understand how they are supposed to work in game, but is there any feasible lore-friendly way that "Armour Tanking" could actually work?

Those Nano-assemblers wouldn't have an unlimited supply of materials to repair with, now would they?


I would assume one of the consumable items which you load your ship with like crew, food etc would be some kind of "molecular slurry" which the nanomachines can utilise as raw material for both self-replication and armour repair.

Alternatively, some kind of Bussard scoop could be in action as you fly, collecting useful particles from the Interstellar Medium and storing them for use by onboard drones and nanomachines.

Magnus Nordir
Caldari
Nordir Industries
Posted - 2010.01.04 12:59:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Lord Arshavir
Originally by: Gzalzi Tralan
I understand how they are supposed to work in game, but is there any feasible lore-friendly way that "Armour Tanking" could actually work?

Those Nano-assemblers wouldn't have an unlimited supply of materials to repair with, now would they?


I would assume one of the consumable items which you load your ship with like crew, food etc would be some kind of "molecular slurry" which the nanomachines can utilise as raw material for both self-replication and armour repair.

Alternatively, some kind of Bussard scoop could be in action as you fly, collecting useful particles from the Interstellar Medium and storing them for use by onboard drones and nanomachines.


Also, seeing as how molecular reconfiguration apparently exists in eve, they could use:

-Engine reactant
-Capacitor waste
-Bits of less important stuff from inside the ship (This is your captain speaking! Take off your clothes and deposit them at the nearest repair nanoprobe bay! Laughing)
-Bits of chipped-off armor still floating around the ship - this is space, stuff doesn't automatically fall away from you as long as you don't rapidly change your velocity vector

Zeredek
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2010.01.04 14:33:00 - [4]
 

*Activates Armor Repairer*
*Green hue on ship*
*Armor repaired*

Smile

Esna Pitoojee
Amarr
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
Posted - 2010.01.04 19:59:00 - [5]
 

I've always assumed that Armor repairers worked by a combination of on-board storage to start and a magnetic/gravitic "scoop" that would replenish supplies between uses.

Thgil Goldcore
Amarr
Robonia
Posted - 2010.01.05 00:41:00 - [6]
 

Also the damaged armor itself is still their, perhaps minus small chunks that where blown off. Although the type of metal used in eve may have properties outside modern knowledge, such as being able to take large slugs of nuclear weapons being pelted against the side and keeping the inner systems of the ship utterly undammaged, or perhaps having such strength that when hit the metal doesnt shatter into pieces and fly into space as much as it just deforms and melts. So the nanites which repair the ship could simply reform the armor that is damaged.

thats how I figure it.

JordanParey
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
Posted - 2010.01.05 12:54:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: JordanParey on 05/01/2010 12:56:44
Originally by: Thgil Goldcore
Also the damaged armor itself is still their, perhaps minus small chunks that where blown off. Although the type of metal used in eve may have properties outside modern knowledge, such as being able to take large slugs of nuclear weapons being pelted against the side and keeping the inner systems of the ship utterly undammaged, or perhaps having such strength that when hit the metal doesnt shatter into pieces and fly into space as much as it just deforms and melts. So the nanites which repair the ship could simply reform the armor that is damaged.

thats how I figure it.


Even in modern times, a lot of armor is is made up of layers. Most tanks have steel and composite armor reinforced by sheets of Kevlar in between, in addition to fracture- and fragmentation-resistant material closest to the crew's compartment, called a spall shield. This is meant to protect the crew from being turned into hamburger by pieces of the metal armor flying inwards.

I imagine that a lot of the armor *doesn't* actually get blasted off because it would most likely be covered by some sort of membrane. It probably gets nice and pitted though, with large bulges and cracks appearing on the inside of the hull.

Armor repairers probably use molecular whatever to reconfigure the armor back to its usual shape by heating it and/or filling it in.

Also, some metals and composite plastics known to man at this time, titanium for example, are extremely light and strong. They can also be reformed back to their original shape by applying heat.
If you take a sheet of titanium and beat it with a hammer till there's a dent in the middle, you can heat it up and then rapidly cooling it.. It will reform and harden back into its original undented form.

(My dad showed it to me once with a tweeter from a stereo system. The thing that vibrated and made noise was a thin sheet of titanium. This is also done with glasses frames and can be done with a lighter and a glass of water if you have a pair of bent wire-frame glasses made of titanium.)

Stitcher
Caldari
Posted - 2010.01.06 03:21:00 - [8]
 

Clarke's law: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic".

In this case, the armour and repair technology of EVE is so far beyond our own understanding of science that trying to explain it in a realistic way just isn't possible. It's so advanced that it's indistinguishable from magic. Just suspend your disbelief and go with it.

Deviana Sevidon
Gallente
Panta-Rhei
Butterfly Effect Alliance
Posted - 2010.01.12 12:22:00 - [9]
 

Broken and melted Armour Plates are likely also being reassembled by the Nanites, minus the Material that flew off into space. But each ship would have enough supply of replacement material in reserve and the ship might also be able to replenish their mass-tanks by scooping material during flight. This might also being the explanation why no dead crew is found after a ship is destroyed, those who were not lucky enough to get away with an escape pod, have their mass absorbed by the attacker when their ship dies.

Attention:
This is the Captain speaking, the mass tanks are on a critical level and everybody has to help replenishing it. Visit the next toilet and take a dump. Purgatives are handed out at on request.

Zandmannetje
Posted - 2010.01.13 20:01:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Zandmannetje on 13/01/2010 20:03:00
Edited by: Zandmannetje on 13/01/2010 20:02:19
Why would u need mass to have them work ?

the Armor just gets deformed and weakened by incoming hits ( micro fractures, moleculair or even atomic disformations, ... ) The nano-assemblers use energy to put everything back into it's original strongest form.

and If you really can't live with the idea that nothing 'falls off', the armor is built up with a magnetic field that automaticly attracts any pieces that have come loose, untill the nano-assemblers get around melting it down back to it's original state.

Marcus Gord
Caldari
Preta Light Industries
Naraka.
Posted - 2010.01.14 21:23:00 - [11]
 

I've always thought of armour in eve as being an ablative layer that boils away from incoming fire, with the nano assemblers in armour repairers replenishing that layer.

I shield tank most of the time though, so it's not really something I've thought about....

Rainus Max
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2010.01.20 12:58:00 - [12]
 

Given that armour (and hull) reps use cap I would say they use some form of energy-matter conversion to create base elements which the nanites then use to repair the damage.

Its an idea....

Banana Torres
The Green Banana Corporation
Posted - 2010.01.20 16:37:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Rainus Max
Given that armour (and hull) reps use cap I would say they use some form of energy-matter conversion to create base elements which the nanites then use to repair the damage.

A large armour repairer uses 400GJ per cycle. This would convert to a few micro grams of matter.

Rainus Max
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2010.01.20 17:13:00 - [14]
 

Thats assuming GJ is a GigaJoule.

Banana Torres
The Green Banana Corporation
Posted - 2010.01.21 02:20:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Rainus Max
Thats assuming GJ is a GigaJoule.

I believe that this table was generated from the database dump:

http://lisa.thedoh.com/projects/EO/Apocrypha%201.5/eveunits

Kyra Felann
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2010.01.22 09:23:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Magnus Nordir
Capacitor waste


Huh? How do metal plates that store an electrical charge produce waste?

A capacitor does not generate energy--it stores it.

Malcheus
Posted - 2010.01.28 21:11:00 - [17]
 

also "armor dmmg" doesn't neccesarily have to mean "amount of armor plates shot off the ship", it could also mean the inegrity left, due to miniscule cracks arising (as stated before). If you consider how big ships are, and how big their guns are, once a small armor plate is shot off, a single hit on that spot would probably rip a ship in half.
So in my oppinion one should consider the plates part of the hull, and the integrity of those plates armor. Once your armor is down, the plates will get shot off and so long as you're in armor, they're holding, but suffering from minuscule damages.

Also, there's the physical law of equality of mass; no mass is lost if anything gets shot off your ship, it just gets dispersed. Since there's things like tractor beams and magnetic plating and the like, I can imagine ship engineers have thought of ways to keep debris from floating away, and keeping it available to the nanobots.


 

This thread is older than 90 days and has been locked due to inactivity.


 


The new forums are live

Please adjust your bookmarks to https://forums.eveonline.com

These forums are archived and read-only