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Rozanos
Caldari
dUcT TapE aERoNautiCs
Posted - 2010.01.03 16:36:00 - [241]
 

Originally by: Traderjohn
1) If a corp leaves an alliance before downtime, Then all sov at downtime will drop to neutral. So that means you cant ask for a node to be reinforced. SO this means that the attacker has the advantage. According the CCP tho: If you are going to attack a system you must request a node to be reinforced. This doesnt happen. Thus means that the defending entity is forced to act


Yea right, so you must petition nodes or you must not dare to fight there anyway, right? Where the f**k did you pull that out of, if I may know?

"Planning a large fleet fight? Please let us know" <- sure sounds like its a mandatory thing to do if you want any large-scale PVP. Also, as petitions MUST (and this is a real must) be handed in 24h before the fight occurs (so they can reinforce it during DT), I doubt IT is to blame if they don't anticipate every leave a corp from SPLOT takes.

The blame can be shared equally by the leaving corp, the alliance leadership and communication with allies, as preparations could have helped the defender to have the upper hand. We all know some of the ****tier game mechanics, but most of us learned to play around them. No point in crying now, since we're all sitting in the same boat.

Butter Dog
Gallente
The Monocled Elite
Posted - 2010.01.03 16:37:00 - [242]
 

Originally by: Traderjohn
Originally by: Great Guardian
2 key points:

1)
Decision to jump so many titans into way overcrowded system with node that was not reinforced?


2)
CCP's inability to make this game playable for big fleet battles.

/cheers
GG


1) If a corp leaves an alliance before downtime, Then all sov at downtime will drop to neutral. So that means you cant ask for a node to be reinforced. SO this means that the attacker has the advantage. According the CCP tho: If you are going to attack a system you must request a node to be reinforced. This doesnt happen. Thus means that the defending entity is forced to act

2) CCP Wanted large fleet battles because it makes more people play. However cant forget the vets who have played this game for years. At which point a large fleet battle isnt fun anymore unless it loads. Sitting for 3 hours watching a blank screen, Then you see damage messages isnt fun.


As people keep pointing you, and you keep failing to understand - everyone had equal notice of sov dropping. Anyone could have been the 'attacker' as you put it - technically there was no defender since sov was neutral.

The fact is that IT took the initiative and got in the system first, and stayed in there. You, on the other hand, waited until the last possible moment to bridge everyone in. And everyone knows how that works out, but you decided to do it anyway, and everyone could have predicted the result.

The mistake was yours, not CCP's or anyone elses. You didn't get in system earlier, you let IT take the initiative. That was your choice, not CCP's.

And anyway, you didn't have to jump in at all. Check your alliance ticker. Why should the NC care what happens in Y-2, it's precisely zero threat to you whoever owns that station. When you combine all these considerations - not getting in system earlier, bridging everyone in at once, knowing how lag favours those already in position, the system being irrelevant to the NC anyway... well, it's shockingly stupid that you decided to bridge in anyway and hope for the best.

Stop crying and learn from your mistakes Very Happy

Matata Hakuna
Amarr
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2010.01.03 16:39:00 - [243]
 

Originally by: General Windypops


Well, er no, little fella. In case you hadn't noticed you guys just broke the record for the most humiliating, gargantuan defeat in any battle in Eve's history. Surely the most ludicrous FC decision ever made?

It's hard to see how anyone can possibly lose any battle as badly as you guys did. We'll still just be laughing at your failure for years and years.




You mean the way people are laughing at the relevance of your alliance in eve? If this is the case I would be upset as it would be very humiliating to drop down to your level. Maybe I'll go to PR and not undock for 2 months.Laughing


Matata Hakuna
Amarr
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2010.01.03 16:44:00 - [244]
 

Originally by: Butter Dog

Stop crying and learn from your mistakes Very Happy



You are still posting despite your posts being one huge mistake so who are you to tell others to learn from their mistakes?Laughing

Ah butter log you are too easy to pick on. I feel like Sergei Bubka on special Olympics. Which makes you specialLaughing

Slap Chop
Minmatar
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.01.03 16:45:00 - [245]
 

Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Traderjohn
When will CCP address this issue!!!


hahaha

It doesn't take CCP to move people into the system during the day, slowly building up your forces like IT did, so you don't have to jump 700 into 650 who are already loaded and in position.

You guys chose the last, and worst, possible moment to leeroy in. And you paid the inevitable price.

Now, kindly take your e-spaceship whines and tell someone who cares, like your internal forums. You were lazy, inept, and you did something you knew would end badly.

Bravo Laughing


Don't you get a court-martial or somethin' like that for breaking character?

CAPSULEER!

Butter Dog
Gallente
The Monocled Elite
Posted - 2010.01.03 16:47:00 - [246]
 

Originally by: Matata Hakuna
Originally by: Butter Dog

Stop crying and learn from your mistakes Very Happy



You are still posting despite your posts being one huge mistake so who are you to tell others to learn from their mistakes?Laughing

Ah butter log you are too easy to pick on. I feel like Sergei Bubka on special Olympics. Which makes you specialLaughing



Your trolls are not very funny, fyi... just... odd


Nova Soldier
Caldari
ROMANIA Renegades
ROMANIAN-LEGION
Posted - 2010.01.03 16:49:00 - [247]
 

So is this the end of PL? I mean 5 titans are something.

dracice
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2010.01.03 16:52:00 - [248]
 

i was present at the fleet.

we were not ordered to release drones on any cyno. but go ahead thinking that it was a good idea to come in, bring goon titans next time when you try again, you know what they say? tri and tri again right?

we were in fact ordered to pull in drones to ease lag on the system.



Matata Hakuna
Amarr
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2010.01.03 16:54:00 - [249]
 

Originally by: Butter Dog


Your trolls are not very funny, fyi... just... odd




So your sense of humor equals your posting abilities. I'm not really surprised.Laughing


Grath Telkin
Amarr
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.01.03 16:56:00 - [250]
 

Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Grath Telkin


an inactive bitter ***got who has no real idea what went on, whats going on, or what will happen, since you pay 15 bucks a month for forum posting rights.


in other words, I'd fit right into PL Cool


We are currently accepting apps, just sayin, one afk alliance is as good as another right?

Metal Dude
Gallente
Destructive Influence
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2010.01.03 16:59:00 - [251]
 

Edited by: Metal Dude on 03/01/2010 17:01:44
Originally by: Grath Telkin

Also, stop acting like IT trickled forces in all day, they jumped in everything they had THE SECOND they discovered Sov was down. There was never a chance to move forces down slowly. The system was packed with 600 screaming ***gots all day.



That's a lie. IT had no more then 100-200 people in the system most of the day and did not jump in 600 as soon as sov dropped. Keep spinning your excuses for your failed strategy. Hell, even Panda maneged to get in to the system and get some kills. <3 u, Panda. Twisted Evil

Lasakywa
Caldari
Section XIII
Cursed Alliance
Posted - 2010.01.03 16:59:00 - [252]
 

Edited by: Lasakywa on 03/01/2010 17:00:06
Originally by: Traderjohn
When will CCP address this issue!!!


Multiple Tests on Lag, to compare Dominion and Pre-Dominion. Show up

Jarnis McPieksu
Gallente
H A V O C
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2010.01.03 16:59:00 - [253]
 

Originally by: dracice
i was present at the fleet.

we were not ordered to release drones on any cyno. but go ahead thinking that it was a good idea to come in, bring goon titans next time when you try again, you know what they say? tri and tri again right?

we were in fact ordered to pull in drones to ease lag on the system.



What you did/didn't do in other grids had little or no effect on the grid with the cynos. The only thing that matters with this bug is the number of ships on the grid where you try to enter the system at.

slip66
Caldari
Resilience.
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2010.01.03 17:01:00 - [254]
 

Originally by: Grath Telkin




Normally I ignore just about every word you say, as you are quite possibly the dumbest mother****er on these forums, with windy running a close 2nd, but i'll address you directly this once.

I put the important part in bold print.

Thats all you need to do to win a fight in Dominion.

The defender, timers and all, stands no chance, so long as the attacker is simply IN THE SYSTEM first.

Also, stop acting like IT trickled forces in all day, they jumped in everything they had THE SECOND they discovered Sov was down. There was never a chance to move forces down slowly. The system was packed with 600 screaming ***gots all day.




Is that what they are telling you?

We moved people in early yes but NOT 600. MANY came in just before we killed the goon pos. Even then we had 300... over the next hours is when we hit the high numbers. So you had time to get in forces piece meal, we did have some active gate camps but not 600 plus you are claiming.


General Windypops
Gallente
The Littlest Hobos
En Garde
Posted - 2010.01.03 17:02:00 - [255]
 

Originally by: Matata Hakuna
You mean the way people are laughing at the relevance of your alliance in eve?



No. Sometimes people poke a bit of fun at lol rp alliances, but ultimately most people just leave us to it. You guys, on the other hand, now have the record for he greatest single defeat in eve history.

Grath Telkin
Amarr
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.01.03 17:08:00 - [256]
 

Edited by: Grath Telkin on 03/01/2010 17:08:56
Originally by: Metal Dude

That's a lie. IT had no more then 100-200 people in the system most of the day and did not jump in 600 as soon as sov dropped.



Wait really?

Cause thats not what AJ Regard is saying on scrapheap:

Originally by: AJ Regard
Saturday 2nd of January:
So SOT decided to drop sov in Y-2 during the afternoon, so we ninja onlined a TCU in the system.
We proceeded to online some towers in the system, to get staging points.

We jumped everything we had into system continuously, titans/capitals/fleet.

We spend most of the afternoon/early evening reinforcing the hostiles pos's in this system, incapping the guns and taking the station.
We bubbled down the gates with large t2, and started up our camp fires.

The initial plan on our part was to try and keep the hostiles from killing our TCU for as long as possible.
We didn't need to keep it alive until 03:xx, we needed to buy enough time so we would have time AFTER dt on Sunday to kill the TCU, that way hostile numbers wouldn't be great.
The actual time we could defend the TCU for, would ofc depend on ours and hostile numbers, so we would have to see what happened


Pretty sure your either clueless, or full of ****.

Edit: If you want, i can put the rest of that post in to finish off closing down the lies, cause it lists out rough estimates of what you put in the system.



Metal Dude
Gallente
Destructive Influence
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2010.01.03 17:15:00 - [257]
 

Originally by: Grath Telkin

Originally by: AJ Regard

We jumped everything we had into system continuously, titans/capitals/fleet.



Pretty sure your either clueless, or full of ****.

Edit: If you want, i can put the rest of that post in to finish off closing down the lies, cause it lists out rough estimates of what you put in the system.



Do you know what "continuously" mean? Obviously you don't since you didn't do it yourself and that's why you got owned. Cry some more please. We love it. Very Happy

Grath Telkin
Amarr
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.01.03 17:18:00 - [258]
 

Originally by: Metal Dude
That's a lie. IT had no more then 100-200 people in the system most of the day and did not jump in 600 as soon as sov dropped.



Originally by: Metal Dude
We jumped everything we had into system continuously, titans/capitals/fleet.



Im sorry, I can't hear over the sound of how wrong you are

Dez Affinity
Caldari
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.01.03 17:19:00 - [259]
 

Originally by: CAOD Ambition
to jump in a system with 600 people with local spamming as your only tactic,..


What else can you do when your **** doesn't load for 3 hours. Shoot people? Laughing


Makkana
Minmatar
Greek Death Squad
HELL4S
Posted - 2010.01.03 17:19:00 - [260]
 

Bad call from the FC crew. Especially since one of us warned them of what will be happening.

Ofc in the past all sides benefitted from the "same" poor perfoming mechanics.
In Max campaign we obliterated BoB in M-O when the node crashed and dropped a major portion of the enemy fleet and few of us.
Severe lag saved Shrikes Titan in Delve MK1 when we were converging on it in 49-. Lag was horrific 5 jumps out of the target system.
Also in the first delve invasion we couldnt load grid in qy6 because BoB had 300 guys on grid with drones + fighters out.

Dont misuderstand me. Im not judging it as un-hounorable tactics , because i know that if a party can exploit a situation or a broken mechanic in his favor he will , blues or reds.

Broken mechanics r not fights though. Dont present them as such.

On the other hand u cant blame the enemy for your mistake.
They simply made the most out of a really, really bad call.

Having that said i seriously hope that ccp fix this mess cause its at least a fubar situation.
Eves endgame is the fleet fights on a large scale. As the system stands large fleet slugfests of epic proportions and tactical manuevering in the combat zone is just impossible.
In other words its impossible to play eves end game. Right? At least one of the 2 fleets cant play :P
I wont go as far as to whine "I am quiting eve" , but i will say that this is to say the least comical.
Advertize large scale fleet fights and a new expansion that will put pace in tha game , and deliver a broken code that forces the fight into a stand still , meaning that if the defender is on position on the gate with moderate numbers (400 pilots) the game transforms to WWI and we just look each other from our ditches. That static.

So it becomes something like alarm clock "move everything in that system before they do" ops and not that briliant dominion trailer.
I hope u dont hold it against us ccp the fact that when we see dominion trailer we laugh ironically.

Happy new year to all blues and reds.
And to our enemies : U handle yourselves well with the system as it is right now. Lets see when (if)
it is fixed how things will go Twisted Evil. Looking forward to non lag fights with you all.

elnukeo
Minmatar
Heretic Army
B A N E
Posted - 2010.01.03 17:20:00 - [261]
 

So does this mean some goons are gonna be leaving out of spite? I think this was CCP's plan all along...

eve will be a better place !Very Happy

Metal Dude
Gallente
Destructive Influence
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2010.01.03 17:24:00 - [262]
 

Originally by: Grath Telkin
Originally by: Metal Dude
That's a lie. IT had no more then 100-200 people in the system most of the day and did not jump in 600 as soon as sov dropped.



Originally by: Metal Dude
We jumped everything we had into system continuously, titans/capitals/fleet.



Im sorry, I can't hear over the sound of how wrong you are


I was there most of the day watching out numbers rise steadily. Were you? No? What a surprise. Neutral

Lensver
Caldari
FREE GATES
HUN Reloaded
Posted - 2010.01.03 17:24:00 - [263]
 

Cry more guysLaughing

dracice
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2010.01.03 17:24:00 - [264]
 

exactly, we werent even on your grid to lag you out with drones when you cynoed in.

Matata Hakuna
Amarr
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2010.01.03 17:26:00 - [265]
 

Originally by: Lensver
Cry more guysLaughing


Wohoo one more relevant fanboi makes his appearance.Laughing

I was just kidding about the relevant part, in case you have sense of humor equal to IT military skills.Laughing


Massive Dragon
Gallente
Genos Occidere
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.01.03 17:31:00 - [266]
 

Edited by: Massive Dragon on 03/01/2010 17:31:42
Originally by: Matata Hakuna
Originally by: Butter Dog


Your trolls are not very funny, fyi... just... odd




So your sense of humor equals your posting abilities. I'm not really surprised.Laughing




you are the first (and likely the only person) i will ever have been able to call an alt of with nothing but a line of posting. i litteraly thought to myself while reading it "there is no way anyone is this dumb... unless..." and then i made the connection to your main.

for all your **** talking of how irrelevant other people and alliances are, the only reason you are even remotely well known in eve anymore plague... is well... because of this thread: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1210484

and no offence... but you look like a total moron there... here... and everywhere else you post.

of course the irony here is you think you are being funny, and you actually are... but again not because you are saying anything smart or correct.

Matata Hakuna
Amarr
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2010.01.03 17:34:00 - [267]
 

Originally by: Massive Dragon


you are the first (and likely the only person) i will ever have been able to call an alt of with nothing but a line of posting. i litteraly thought to myself while reading it "there is no way anyone is this dumb... unless..." and then i made the connection to your main.

for all your **** talking of how irrelevant other people and alliances are, the only reason you are even remotely well known in eve anymore plague... is well... because of this thread: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1210484

and no offence... but you look like a total moron there... here... and everywhere else you post.

of course the irony here is you think you are being funny, and you actually are... but again not because you are saying anything smart or correct.



Posting in limegreen does not add any value to your posts. I doubt that united colors of Benetton would be able to add any value to anything you do in EVE either.Laughing

Fat Ducker
Amarr
Lucky Hydra Corp
Posted - 2010.01.03 17:35:00 - [268]
 

Originally by: Grath Telkin
Originally by: Metal Dude
That's a lie. IT had no more then 100-200 people in the system most of the day and did not jump in 600 as soon as sov dropped.



Originally by: Metal Dude
We jumped everything we had into system continuously, titans/capitals/fleet.



Im sorry, I can't hear over the sound of how wrong you are


Had these events transpired the other way round, I seriously doubt that bitter dude could come across more bitter and butt-hurt than you.


CAOD Ambition
Gallente
Trigrams Edge
Posted - 2010.01.03 17:35:00 - [269]
 

SOT hasnt foolishly lost any of their remaining 2 stations today,.. Now thats SHOCKING!!

dracice
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2010.01.03 17:37:00 - [270]
 

did sot fail cascade over IT? hurley? or both...

seems alot of people once they found out how the hurley incident went down didn't like it.



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