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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente
Sigma Special Tactics Group
Posted - 2010.01.02 05:15:00 - [91]
 

Edited by: Herzog Wolfhammer on 02/01/2010 05:15:38
Screw gates. They are there for gankers and pirates.

Use Wormholes.


And uh.... snipe PG4 Cool



Ranger 1
Amarr
Ranger Corp
Posted - 2010.01.02 06:11:00 - [92]
 

While it is true that the techniques given to you do work, and I have used them many times myself, I guess I'm too old to take the challenging route as often anymore.
I simply get one of my youthfully aggressive corp mates in a covert or an interceptor to scout the gate first when I need to move a largish ship through low sec.
Thats kinda what we keep em around for. Wink

Seismos
Posted - 2010.01.02 07:33:00 - [93]
 

Edited by: Seismos on 02/01/2010 07:35:03
There really isn't anything not mentioned already.

But I'd like to add that lowsec gate camps are far from being impossible to survive.
With a little bit of practice you will have an excellent chance of surviving.
In fact I used to run cargo worth hundreds of millions of ISK to and through lowsec (feel free to check my contract history) and I hit more than one cate camp doing that.

Specialized equipment (blockade runner + covert ops cloak) is a huge help but a "normal" ship with MWD + cloak will work too.


Nonetheless you lost your ship; but you should not start to think that this the usual outcome.
Feel free to contact me in-game if you have questions...

EDIT: well questions about this. I am not the Oracle... Rolling Eyes

Barton Foley
Posted - 2010.01.02 07:35:00 - [94]
 

Holy crap STOP RESPONDING TO THE OP.

To invoke a meme, obvious troll is obvious. He/she/it has received all the relevant possible information, there is nothing left to do but troll.

Elena Laskova
Posted - 2010.01.02 10:52:00 - [95]
 

Bizarre thread.

An honest question.

Stupid game mechanics, contradictory "advice", rudeness, "you need two accounts", ....

This is the kind of thing that keeps highSec full and lowSec empty.


Hamano Walker
Posted - 2010.01.02 11:16:00 - [96]
 

Edited by: Hamano Walker on 02/01/2010 11:18:26
OK, I'm not that much of an old hand, but here's some tips and tricks I use for running through low/nullsec.

Part 1: Look for camps. You have a map, use it. Start with "pod kills in the last hour". Do not enter these systems. Look for systems with a high "pod kills in 24 hours" and a large number of currently active pilots. Avoid these.

Part 2: If you MUST go through these systems, make an alt on the same account. No need to train anything. Use a newb ship or shuttle to go have a look around. Shuttles align fast enough that they can run gate camps with slower players manning them. I can generally route non-camped runs from Jita to deep 0.0 with this method. Obviously, if you have a friend with spare time you don't need to do this yourself.

(Notice that anyone can get to lowsec solo using these options alone)

Part 3: Get a covops cloak. Hit the warp button and cloak immediately. I have yet to have problems with this method. I suppose you could also fire your MWD. Never ever get overconfident about your cloak. Watch local. Stay cloaked when you have no reason to be cloaked. Don't come out of it unless you're using your directional scanner to watch for probes closing in on you. If you gte jumped, you are deceased. On the other hand, if you find an un-camped 0.0 with a lot of names in local, find a hiding spot and stay cloaked. The fear of cloaked ships opening covert cynos and bringing in a fleet of stealth bomber and/or magic capsuleer eating dragons runs rampant in some circles. Your mere presence may cause a mining operation to scatter.

Part 4: If you do run a camp and stay in the system for any reason (interdictor bubble, probing for explortaion etc) go ahead and start chatting in local. Tell them they have a good setup, they almost got you. Ask how many kills they have so far. You know they're going to shoot you if they can. Its not personal. No reason you can't discuss it. Every second they're typing is a second you're not getting shot and you might learn something in the process.

Kiri Serrensun
Posted - 2010.01.02 11:29:00 - [97]
 

Edited by: Kiri Serrensun on 02/01/2010 11:30:41
The "kills in last hour" is excellent advice, but check for "ship kills in last hour" rather than "pod kills"--pods are a lot easier to save in lowsec if the pilot knows what they're doing. Seriously, just using the map will tell you about 90% of gatecamps before you even enter the system.

Also, think like a pirate--figure out where the obvious camp point is (lowsec entrance and / or two-way pipe) and try to avoid those. Sometimes it can be worth going through more lowsec systems to avoid a chokepoint.

If you do get trapped too far from the gate, and you're dying, pick something in system and machine-gun the warp-to button until you see your pod in flight. It's a fairly reliable way of saving the pod.

Originally by: Hamano Walker
Stay cloaked when you have no reason to be cloaked. Don't come out of it unless you're using your directional scanner to watch for probes closing in on you.


You can't be probed when cloaked, and you can use probes or the d-scanner when cloaked.

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2010.01.02 12:09:00 - [98]
 

Originally by: Milana Arkani
Originally by: Taedrin

Uhhhhh... escaping a gate camp is easy. First of all, I am almost positive that you can still cloak if someone is in the process of targeting you. I've gotten through lots of gate camps before, and never had trouble engaging my cloak. Cov ops cloaks make things incredibly easy, even, as you don't need to drop cloak to enter warp.


The excerpt from my log (original post above) demonstrates why that is not true.

Btw: I think the people who say that one has about a second (if that) to escape are correct. Add in the latency factor, and I think one has virtually zero chance to escape under those circumstances.


Um, latency works for you escaping, not against. The MWD-cloak trick is ridiculously effective, but that's not to say it doesn't take a little practice. Larkonis gave you complete instructions. Try them out in hi-sec with a friend.

PS A good travel fit for that Ferox would be something like 3x Nanofibres and 1x WCS in the lows. Take off the large shield extenders as well; they add a lot to your sig radius and make you easier to lock. I only mention the WCS because you wont get much benefit from a 4th nano and you seem to like them. The nanos will help you to accelerate to warp speed more quickly, which is important. The only counter to the MWD-Cloak trick is to decloak the victim before he can reach the required speed.

lollerwaffle
Sileo In Pacis
THE SPACE P0LICE
Posted - 2010.01.02 12:17:00 - [99]
 

Originally by: Elena Laskova
Bizarre thread.

An honest question.

Stupid game mechanics, contradictory "advice", rudeness, "you need two accounts", ....

This is the kind of thing that keeps highSec full and lowSec empty.




Bizarre post.

An honest (but whiny) question, BASED ON PLAYER MISTAKE

Game mechanics are 'stupid' only when you don't understand them. Most if not all advice in this thread has been consistent. Proof or STFU.

Guess who's been rude (and whiny) after good advice has been given to him? (It's the OP, since from all your previous posts, you seem to display a lack of intelligence) I'll make it easier for you, to summarize:
OP asked for advice/whined about gatecamps.
Upon getting advice on how to avoid them, and people pointing out where he made a mistake, OP gets into a hissy fit and starts taking everything personally. Oh and he/she goes on about some elite clicking thing Rolling Eyes
You come in and shows us what an idiot you are (again) as usual

Point to the bit where 'you NEED 2 accounts' is said. No?

The thing that keeps highsec full and lowsec empty is idiots like you.

Elena Laskova
Posted - 2010.01.02 12:34:00 - [100]
 

What keeps the majority of players out of lowSec and noSec is that it's a major PITA to get there, and there's no obvious fun to be had from doing so.

What will you do when you get there in your covert-ops ship? Chat with strangers in local? Run missions? Mine? Keep moving so you don't attract gankers?

If you pretend-PvPers had a shred of self-respect you'd be watching for gate camps so you could smash the campers.


Bagrista
Posted - 2010.01.02 12:48:00 - [101]
 

Originally by: Elena Laskova

If you pretend-PvPers had a shred of self-respect you'd be watching for gate camps so you could smash the campers.



Your tears sustain me.

Also, posting in an epic troll thread!

Zeredek
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2010.01.02 13:13:00 - [102]
 

Originally by: Milana Arkani
[ 2010.01.01 22:34:44 ] (notify) Speed changed to 168 m/s
[ 2010.01.01 22:34:47 ] (notify) You cannot cloak your ship as you are being targeted by someone.


FAIL


[ 2010.01.01 22:34:44 ] (notify) Aligning to X
[ 2010.01.01 22:34:44 ] Cloakage

WIN

Zeredek
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2010.01.02 13:16:00 - [103]
 


Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari
Sane Industries Inc.
Posted - 2010.01.02 13:28:00 - [104]
 

Edited by: Rakshasa Taisab on 02/01/2010 13:29:33
Originally by: Milana Arkani
Anybody who insists that latency is not in any way an issue for a real-time Internet-based combat game is simply an idiot.

Cloaking and MWD activation does not depend on the client-side state, but rather the server-side state. If you had a comp.sci education you'd realize why it makes the MWD+cloak trick work.

You don't.

Now stop being an idiot and go try it out yourself. Most n00bs fail the first few times until they get the hang of the timing. You're a n00b, so you obviously didn't get the timing right if you even bothered trying.

Elena Laskova
Posted - 2010.01.02 13:40:00 - [105]
 

There is no way for a rookie, regardless of their IT knowledge, being able to just "figure out" how the EvE server synchronizes with and between the two or more clients involved in this situation.

Unless of course rookies are expected to reverse-engineer the protocol used between the server and client?

EvE exhibits both client-to-server latency issues and client-side latency issues. This is normal for an MMO, and nothing to criticize as such.
But you can't predict the specifics "up front", nor predict their consequences.

McFly
Peanut Factory
Posted - 2010.01.02 13:54:00 - [106]
 

Edited by: McFly on 02/01/2010 13:55:32
I love these threads.... 90% of the posters agree on not only the issue but also the solution and the OP is still positively sure that we're wrong....

Always nice to wake up have a cup of coffee and want to gouge my eyes out this early in the morning.

vr0p
Gallente
Ivory Research LLC
Galactic Acqisition Specialists
Posted - 2010.01.02 14:14:00 - [107]
 

Well if it makes anyone feel better, we got her pod too ;-D

Cognito Ergosum
Amarr
Vulkan Schiffbau und Maschinenfabrik AG
Posted - 2010.01.02 14:16:00 - [108]
 

Fark the OP, thanks Larkonis, Lady Spank, and Tippia; I learned something that I didn't know from this thread and am appreciative of that. Only way to get better is to try the new tools in the toolbox. . .now here did I put that jump clone. . .


Novemb3r
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.01.02 14:48:00 - [109]
 

the best way to avoid gate camps is to be in an eleet pvp corp. That way the pirate scouts can see you coming from 3 systems away so they have time to run to a station and hide in case you hotdrop a bunch of faction battleships on top of them.

Starchy Jeanus
Posted - 2010.01.02 14:54:00 - [110]
 

Some good tips in here, and a reminder for me to stop being lazy with the mouse and get used to hotkeys like any other MMO I would play!

Grarr Wrexx
Posted - 2010.01.02 15:11:00 - [111]
 

Originally by: Novemb3r
the best way to avoid gate camps is to be in an eleet pvp corp. That way the pirate scouts can see you coming from 3 systems away so they have time to run to a station and hide in case you hotdrop a bunch of faction battleships on top of them.


Cause going around in highsec and lowsec in a bunch of 1337 faction BS is more important than defending your own space Cool

Capitalist Swineherder
Posted - 2010.01.02 15:50:00 - [112]
 

You're all trying to hard. If a mouse click then pressing two buttons in rapid succession qualifies as an elite skill, you need to go back to casual games. Solitare has no gate camps.

Hera Ominae
Posted - 2010.01.02 16:34:00 - [113]
 

Originally by: Milana Arkani
Originally by: Larkonis TrassIer
Excellent troll all in all.
7.5/10

Well done Milana.


I love the trolls calling me a troll. Too funny. Smile

Btw: Many of these comments/assumptions about perfectly elite clicking totally crack me up. I really wonder whether many of you understand the basic concepts/variability of Internet latency. Smile

e.g., Mouse clicks/button presses here on the west coast of the U.S. need to travel all the way across the continent and then across the Atlantic ocean before they register at the server, afaik. And of course not all data packets can be expected to travel perfectly/synchronously.

e.g., Even if one performs two button presses rapidly in succession, there is no guarantee how fast/in-sync those will be received at the server, afaik.

So, much of this talk of elite clicking is quite silly/irrelevant/funny to me in the context of a global Internet-based game.

That works both ways you fool...

Learn to use the OVERVIEW... This thread is good troll, or classic example of pilot who doesn't know what to do with the weird overview thingy on right side of the screen...

Align gate, MWD ON and there you go if they dont have webs... That's because even one cycle is enough, and cruiser/BC class ship is very hard to stop when it gains speed. Vagas etc break gate camps easily if they don't have webs.

Lubomir Penev
Dark Nexxus
S I L E N T.
Posted - 2010.01.03 00:27:00 - [114]
 

Originally by: Elena Laskova

If you pretend-PvPers had a shred of self-respect you'd be watching for gate camps so you could smash the campers.



Actually any gatecamp that loiter too long at the same place is guaranteed to be busted with extreme prejudice.

Same as too predictible mission runner gankers, eventually they'll bite a bait.

Novemb3r
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.01.03 07:09:00 - [115]
 

Originally by: Grarr Wrexx
Cause going around in highsec and lowsec in a bunch of 1337 faction BS is more important than defending your own space Cool


Could't defend it even if we wanted to. Can do much when you can't load grid ;)

Typhado3
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.01.03 08:59:00 - [116]
 

A bc flying by a inexperienced person gets caught by 10 lets repeat that TEN ppl set up specifically to catch ppl like you.

You should not have escaped in fact if you escaped without some freakish miracle of nature causing it then this game would be beyond broken. Coming onto the forums and complaining the game is broken because of this clearly shows you don't have the right attitude for pvp in eve, I'd either recommend you stay in empire or leave eve.

Milana Arkani
Caldari
Strategic Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2010.01.03 09:47:00 - [117]
 

Edited by: Milana Arkani on 03/01/2010 09:53:01
Originally by: Typhado3
You should not have escaped in fact if you escaped without some freakish miracle of nature causing it then this game would be beyond broken. Coming onto the forums and complaining the game is broken because of this clearly shows you don't have the right attitude for pvp in eve, I'd either recommend you stay in empire or leave eve.


Too funny!!! Laughing

First, every troll on board flames me for being so "incompetent"/"slow" as not to escape a gate camp. (OK, fine, whatever.)

Now, this guy flames me because, according to him, there is no way I should have expected to survive to begin with! Smile

Come on, folks, get your story straight. Which is it? Smile

But most importantly:

Originally by: Typhado3
"this clearly shows you don't have the right attitude for pvp in eve"


So funny how you think you are entitled to decide who "has the right attitude for pvp" and who is well suited to play EVE. Laughing

Originally by: Typhado3
"I'd either recommend you stay in empire or leave eve."


Who cares what you recommend??? I recommend that you STFU, troll. Idea Laughing


Bagrista
Posted - 2010.01.03 10:06:00 - [118]
 

Why do you keep going on about some "elite clicking"? Pressing two keys in a quick sucession (faster than 3s... thats not even quick, i could probably do that with my wang) is "elite" to you? I think you should consider some other pastime, because you obviously weren't made for computer gaming.

Can I have your stuff now?

Jin Nib
Resplendent Knives
Posted - 2010.01.03 10:17:00 - [119]
 

Milana please keep up with your closed minded attempts to PvP, easy killmails are always useful for padding.

Bagrista, lol you win the thread.Smile

Siigari Kitawa
Gallente
Perditus Peregrinus
Posted - 2010.01.03 10:25:00 - [120]
 

Alright, I'll bite.


1) Examine gatecamp.
2) See if targets are clustered on the gate or very close to you.
3) Check interceptors. Are they moving or sitting still?
4) If the gate you just jumped through is highsec, consider that.


Covert Cloak:

Okay. If...

i) targets are clustered on the gate, you have a good chance to warp.

ii) targets are near you or within decloaking range, your best bet is to mwd back to the gate and spam jump.

iii) you are on a highsec gate and are afraid of losing your valuable gear, consider cloaking and burning back to the gate.


Normal Cloak/MWD/Align/Warp

Okay. If...

i) Interceptors are moving, you have a fairly good chance to get aligned before they can bump you.

ii) there is a heavy interdictor be aware you WILL NOT BE ABLE TO WARP if you get decloaked somehow.

iii) people are near you then your best bet is to run back to the gate with cloak/mwd and spam jump.


How to align/cloak/warp

If you are satisfied as good to warp, click "warp" to your destination, wait a very slight moment, then hit your cloak button. The delay should be appropriate enough to cloak immediately. This is something you have to feel out.

If you have a microwarpdrive fitted, as soon as you press the cloak button click the MWD button AFTER you hit the cloak button. This is important because once you start cloaking you break locks and your sig will go up and you will be uncloakable.


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