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Larkonis TrassIer
State Breast Inspectorate
Posted - 2010.01.02 02:51:00 - [61]
 

Originally by: Nooma K'Larr
Low sec gate camps is the main reason I dont bother with low-sec.

They are virtually impossible to escape. Not to mention warp bubbles planted right at the gate itself.

If CCP wants people to move into low-sec, they will have to address these two issues.

I like a fight as long as it's fair, but there is nothing fair about low-sec gate camps.


You is trolling.

Reem Fairchild
Minmatar
Punic Corp.
Posted - 2010.01.02 02:53:00 - [62]
 

Originally by: Nooma K'Larr
warp bubbles planted right at the gate itself.


No such thing in low sec. Only in 0.0.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2010.01.02 02:54:00 - [63]
 

Originally by: Nooma K'Larr
Low sec gate camps is the main reason I dont bother with low-sec.

They are virtually impossible to escape. Not to mention warp bubbles planted right at the gate itself.

If CCP wants people to move into low-sec, they will have to address these two issues.

I like a fight as long as it's fair, but there is nothing fair about low-sec gate camps.
ShockedughLaughing

Would you like a second try or should I just agree with Larkonis on this one?

Trader20
Posted - 2010.01.02 02:55:00 - [64]
 

lol, u got owned Laughing

Burnharder
Posted - 2010.01.02 03:03:00 - [65]
 

imho the best way to escape any gate camp is not to get into one in the first place (scout with an alt). I've had some funny escapes, including slow-boating to align in an Iteron V with prototype cloak while a crow zig-zagged to try find me ;).

If you're a slow ship you may be chased even if you do escape, which means you've got to go through the whole process again at the next gate. So if it's a regular route, make 1/2 way bookmarks and warp to those instead of the gate, then cloak and/or log ;).

vr0p
Gallente
Ivory Research LLC
Galactic Acqisition Specialists
Posted - 2010.01.02 03:08:00 - [66]
 

Originally by: "Milana Arkani"
Wait out the session change timer and MWD back to gate??? Sorry, that is a guaranteed fail. Try again, fool.


This is actually often the best option if you are in non-covert ship. The other day we had something like 5 webs on a Deimos as he uncloaked, but with his initial momentum from MWD he made it back to gate just in time.

I was able to do it in a Tempest with a 15ish member gatecamp a few weeks back also, with the heavier mass, the momentum is greater so you don't slow down as quickly from the webs. So MWD back to gate is an option for anybody with a MWD really.

Milana Arkani
Caldari
Strategic Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2010.01.02 03:20:00 - [67]
 

Originally by: vr0p


This is actually often the best option if you are in non-covert ship. The other day we had something like 5 webs on a Deimos as he uncloaked, but with his initial momentum from MWD he made it back to gate just in time.

I was able to do it in a Tempest with a 15ish member gatecamp a few weeks back also, with the heavier mass, the momentum is greater so you don't slow down as quickly from the webs. So MWD back to gate is an option for anybody with a MWD really.


Ha ha... Nice idea, but...

As soon as they (insta-)locked me, they used (one or more) 500W Infectious Power System Malfunction. So I literally went from full cap to *zero cap* within seconds. Smile

So, you can probably forget about "MWD back to gate", unless you are dealing with relatively weak gate campers. It certainly wouldn't work with these guys (Le Skunk, et al.). Wink

Reem Fairchild
Minmatar
Punic Corp.
Posted - 2010.01.02 03:26:00 - [68]
 

Originally by: Milana Arkani
Originally by: vr0p


This is actually often the best option if you are in non-covert ship. The other day we had something like 5 webs on a Deimos as he uncloaked, but with his initial momentum from MWD he made it back to gate just in time.

I was able to do it in a Tempest with a 15ish member gatecamp a few weeks back also, with the heavier mass, the momentum is greater so you don't slow down as quickly from the webs. So MWD back to gate is an option for anybody with a MWD really.


Ha ha... Nice idea, but...

As soon as they (insta-)locked me, they used (one or more) 500W Infectious Power System Malfunction. So I literally went from full cap to *zero cap* within seconds. Smile

So, you can probably forget about "MWD back to gate", unless you are dealing with relatively weak gate campers. It certainly wouldn't work with these guys (Le Skunk, et al.). Wink



Doesn't matter. By the time you get to a second cycle of the mwd you'd be webbed anyway. It's the momemtum from that first pulse of the mwd that will get you there (on many ships, but not all), and there's no way they can prevent you from that.

Lady Spank
Amarr
In Praise Of Shadows
Posted - 2010.01.02 03:28:00 - [69]
 

Your interpretation of 'insta' is inconsistent, you forgot to include your lag theories in calling their actions.

Also, you would only ever expect to get 1 cycle of the mwd off in this case and you can get that off, even setting the mwd to overheat, before they even lock you.

But then no one here knows what they are doing while you obviously do, and i'm just trolling Confused

Ezekiel Sulastin
Gallente
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2010.01.02 03:31:00 - [70]
 

Edited by: Ezekiel Sulastin on 02/01/2010 03:32:06
Originally by: Milana Arkani
Fail



It all boils down to you not practicing the skills at hand. Cloak + MWD works extremely well if you do it right - which you sure as crap have not, given that it took 3 seconds for a cloak attempt to begin - and MWDing back works as well.

You HAVE to be instant with the cloak. We know you're just whining because of that delay. Even if you're trying to run a camp with a covops or blockade runner (well, a 0.0 bubblecamp anyways), you need to MWD+cloak properly to ensure you aren't decloaked before you get out of the bubble. You put your cloak in F1 and your MWD in F2 - not hard. Heck, you can even assign an overload shortcut to get an even better speed boost.

Take your ship, go somewhere safe, and practice doing this. Don't whine for CCP to fix your own failures - learn and overcome.

Method of MWDing to gate:
1) Don't Panic! You have 60 seconds to work with!
2) Set your autopilot destination to the system you just came from
3) Wait for your session change to expire (you can toggle a little indicator in the upper-left corner in Esc > General Settings)
4) Hit approach, overload and activate your MWD, and turn on the autopilot - use keyboard shortcuts liberally, as your MWD needs to go on as soon as your gatecloak expires.
5) If it worked, you'll jump through as soon as you hit 2500 m (hence the autopilot). If not, c'est la vie. It works more often than not, though.

Troll Bridgington
Incompertus INC
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2010.01.02 03:32:00 - [71]
 

Best thread ever

Clair Bear
Ursine Research and Production
Posted - 2010.01.02 03:33:00 - [72]
 

Originally by: Milana Arkani

So, you can probably forget about "MWD back to gate", unless you are dealing with relatively weak gate campers. It certainly wouldn't work with these guys (Le Skunk, et al.). Wink



How about looking at the map, specifically number of pilots in space in the last 30 minutes if you refuse to use a scout alt? A gatecamp big enough to sensor boost a BS into insta-locking (assuming that's even practical [and a BS is what fits large neuts]) is going to register on the map. Jumping into lowsec with a known large population nearby is asking for a trip back in your pod.

Seriously, eve is first and foremost a blobbing game. A blob is, and should be >>>>>>>>>> single pilot. Learn Blob Detection I (initially I typed that as Bob Detection), and it will serve you well. The first rule of winning at P&P&P&P&P&P&P&P&P&P&P&P ... &P&P&P&PvP is not doing any in the first place.

Milana Arkani
Caldari
Strategic Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2010.01.02 03:33:00 - [73]
 

Originally by: Lady Spank
and i'm just trolling Confused


Yes, you are. I highly doubt that anybody could mwd out of their gate camp.

But nice try.

Erichk Knaar
Caldari
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2010.01.02 03:42:00 - [74]
 

Originally by: Larkonis TrassIer
I miss warp to 15 and the old sniper gatecamps myself


qft.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2010.01.02 03:42:00 - [75]
 

Originally by: Milana Arkani
Originally by: Lady Spank
and i'm just trolling Confused
Yes, you are. I highly doubt that anybody could mwd out of their gate camp.
Funny that. That's how it's most often done in non-cloaky ships. Rolling Eyes

Larkonis TrassIer
State Breast Inspectorate
Posted - 2010.01.02 03:45:00 - [76]
 

Excellent troll all in all.
7.5/10

Well done Milana.

Nooma K'Larr
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.01.02 03:45:00 - [77]
 

Originally by: Trader20
lol, u got owned Laughing


...not as bad as your momma the day she squatted you out.

Stay on topic dumbass.

Milana Arkani
Caldari
Strategic Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2010.01.02 04:19:00 - [78]
 

Originally by: Larkonis TrassIer
Excellent troll all in all.
7.5/10

Well done Milana.


I love the trolls calling me a troll. Too funny. Smile

Btw: Many of these comments/assumptions about perfectly elite clicking totally crack me up. I really wonder whether many of you understand the basic concepts/variability of Internet latency. Smile

e.g., Mouse clicks/button presses here on the west coast of the U.S. need to travel all the way across the continent and then across the Atlantic ocean before they register at the server, afaik. And of course not all data packets can be expected to travel perfectly/synchronously.

e.g., Even if one performs two button presses rapidly in succession, there is no guarantee how fast/in-sync those will be received at the server, afaik.

So, much of this talk of elite clicking is quite silly/irrelevant/funny to me in the context of a global Internet-based game.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2010.01.02 04:26:00 - [79]
 

Originally by: Milana Arkani
Btw: Many of these comments/assumptions about perfectly elite clicking totally crack me up.
What assumptions? This is what people do every day. It's empirically proven to work, over and over and over again.
Quote:
I really wonder whether many of you understand the basic concepts/variability of Internet latency.
Unlike you, yes. If you did understand it, you'd understand by know what people have repeatedly tried to tell you: latency works in your favour in this situation. You have the initiative; they have to wait for you to give the signal, burdened by latency and all.

Do you understand why people are calling you a troll? Because you're arguing against known facts based on your own unproven, untested perception.

Lady Spank
Amarr
In Praise Of Shadows
Posted - 2010.01.02 04:28:00 - [80]
 

Originally by: Milana Arkani
Originally by: Larkonis TrassIer
Excellent troll all in all.
7.5/10

Well done Milana.


I love the trolls calling me a troll. Too funny. Smile


Except Lark was the first to give you a thoroughly helpful post (apart from me).

Too bad you are an arrogant jerkoff and chose to ignore everyone.

The only person going on about 'elite clicking' is you. I don't see anyone particularly flexing their awesomeness in their replies, just giving advice. Advice based on experience I might add.

The fact that you have a predetermined belief that it is futile is blinding you to the help people are offering you. That or you are trolling, hence people saying so. They have far greater reason to call you a troll than you do of me for berating your whiny attitude.

So seeing as im still replying here, I have to conclude you are indeed a successful troll.

Ava Starfire
Minmatar
Teraa Matar
Posted - 2010.01.02 04:35:00 - [81]
 

OP is a moron.

I run gatecamps on a daily basis. In ships from shuttles up to and including hurricanes.

Learn to use a MWD. Burn back to the gate or out of range of the point. Most frigs and intys that can get in close *ie, the sort of ships that carry MWD-disabling scrams* last about 2/10 of a second under gateguns. Or, better yet, kill whats attacking you. Youll have gateguns on your side, who are no small ally.

You have received some excellent advice. I suggest you use it.


Milana Arkani
Caldari
Strategic Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2010.01.02 04:37:00 - [82]
 

Edited by: Milana Arkani on 02/01/2010 04:37:31
Originally by: Tippia



On the contrary, nobody has proven anything here about latency one way or the other.

Have you ever played a FPS when the server is based on a different continent? Generally, that is a distinct disadvantage, rather than an advantage.

Note: I'm not saying my ship got blown up due to latency. I'm just finding it very amusing how many of you swear by elite clicking and insist that latency is a complete non-issue. (I think that point of view is quite ignorant.) Smile


Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2010.01.02 04:42:00 - [83]
 

Originally by: Milana Arkani
[On the contrary, nobody has proven anything here about latency one way or the other.
Incorrect. You just choose to ignore it. Look again.
Quote:
Have you ever played a FPS when the server is based on a different continent?
Irrelevant. FPS servers don't have the same tick.
Quote:
I'm just finding it very amusing how many of you swear by elite clicking and insist that latency is a complete non-issue. (I think that point of view is quite ignorant.)
Indeed, you are quite ignorant. You fail to understand that latency makes your so-called elite clicking irrelevant, which is why no-one but you is mentioning it.

Baitin
Posted - 2010.01.02 04:47:00 - [84]
 

Originally by: Milana Arkani
Edited by: Milana Arkani on 02/01/2010 04:37:31
Originally by: Tippia



On the contrary, nobody has proven anything here about latency one way or the other.

Have you ever played a FPS when the server is based on a different continent? Generally, that is a distinct disadvantage, rather than an advantage.

Note: I'm not saying my ship got blown up due to latency. I'm just finding it very amusing how many of you swear by elite clicking and insist that latency is a complete non-issue. (I think that point of view is quite ignorant.) Smile




Yeah, if you refuse to learn GL surviving long in EVE. It's been explained several times in this thread how eve actually works, so either you're trolling or don't have the smarts to understand it.

Reem Fairchild
Minmatar
Punic Corp.
Posted - 2010.01.02 04:48:00 - [85]
 

Originally by: Milana Arkani
Edited by: Milana Arkani on 02/01/2010 04:37:31
Originally by: Tippia



On the contrary, nobody has proven anything here about latency one way or the other.

Have you ever played a FPS when the server is based on a different continent? Generally, that is a distinct disadvantage, rather than an advantage.

Note: I'm not saying my ship got blown up due to latency. I'm just finding it very amusing how many of you swear by elite clicking and insist that latency is a complete non-issue. (I think that point of view is quite ignorant.) Smile




We swear by it, because we've done it successfully many, many, many times. And under much worse conditions, at that.

Assuming you're not a troll, I'm absolutely convinced the delay was because you waited for your ship to visually decloak on your screen before hitting cloak (a common beginner's mistake).

ratamnimb
Posted - 2010.01.02 04:50:00 - [86]
 

Originally by: Milana Arkani
Edited by: Milana Arkani on 02/01/2010 04:37:31
Originally by: Tippia



On the contrary, nobody has proven anything here about latency one way or the other.

Have you ever played a FPS when the server is based on a different continent? Generally, that is a distinct disadvantage, rather than an advantage.

Note: I'm not saying my ship got blown up due to latency. I'm just finding it very amusing how many of you swear by elite clicking and insist that latency is a complete non-issue. (I think that point of view is quite ignorant.) Smile




Hehe. And after all the advice given on this thread you choose to ignore, the "ignorant elite clickers" still have their ships, and you got sent home in a pod... Hmm...

Milana Arkani
Caldari
Strategic Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2010.01.02 04:51:00 - [87]
 

Originally by: Tippia



Anybody who insists that latency is not in any way an issue for a real-time Internet-based combat game is simply an idiot.

Good night, troll. Smile


ratamnimb
Posted - 2010.01.02 05:01:00 - [88]
 

Originally by: Milana Arkani
Originally by: Tippia



Anybody who insists that latency is not in any way an issue for a real-time Internet-based combat game is simply an idiot.

Good night, troll. Smile




If you understand latency so well, if you're so on top of it and know it through and through, then why didn't you compensate for it? Why'd you lose your ship to it?

You made a mistake. You waited too long to recloak, giving the enemy 3 seconds (plenty of time for a boosted ship to lock+scram you) and lost your ship.

You got sent home in a pod.

And now you come on here complaining asking questions about it, and then ignore everyones advice on what has been working for us for years.

You tried. You messed up. You died. You came on here to vent. You ignored advice. We still have all our ships from the methods we use, and you don't.

And you persist to say we are all wrong... when your the one without a ship for tonight...

You pretty much lose at EVE.

WoW maybe? I heard the cows can be paladins now!!

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2010.01.02 05:05:00 - [89]
 

Originally by: Milana Arkani
Anybody who insists that latency is not in any way an issue for a real-time Internet-based combat game is simply an idiot.
Ok, if you say so. Hey, idiot: listen very carefully because I'm going to say this once more and see if you get it this time.

LATENCY
WORKS
IN
YOUR
FAVOUR
IN
THIS
SITUATION


Got that? Or do you need a diagram?

You are the one claiming it's not an issue. You are the one claiming that you need elite clicking skills. You are the one who doesn't understand how cloaking works, or how the MWD works, or how targeting works, or how basic situational awareness works. You are the one who failed in this instance, and who refuses to listen to the empirically proven advice of people who have been in the same situation and gotten out of it. You are therefore the one who is in no position to explain anything, and who should rather STFU and listen to those who actually can explain it to you. You don't know how it works – the proof is in the pudding: you got nailed and didn't understand how or why.

Khemul Zula
Amarr
Keisen Trade League
Posted - 2010.01.02 05:05:00 - [90]
 

Originally by: Milana Arkani

Anybody who insists that latency is not in any way an issue for a real-time Internet-based combat game is simply an idiot.

Good night, troll. Smile


Latency effects both sides. Basically cancels out.

Find another way to troll.
And you are obviously trolling.
I mean obviously trolling.
Seriously, why are people still responding seriously? Either the OP refuses to accept advice and just wants to whine about non-existent problems (basically trolling) or the OP is a rather lazy [but successfull] troll (basically trolling, in much the same way that a duck is basically a swimming bird).


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