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vanich
Caldari
Eye of God
Deadly Insidious Experts
Posted - 2010.01.04 10:13:00 - [91]
 

God knows i have lost my share of ships in eve, but WTF? u guys r whining over a ship that hasnt been destroyed YET*Shocked
I am a miner and already Loling at the whines, i can just imagine howmuch fun the pirates r having.

I think i should change professions, seems to be alot of fun being a YARRRR!!

lols, have fun and pls lose some ships Laughing

Boink'urr
Minmatar
Wasserette De Tarthorst
Posted - 2010.01.04 15:33:00 - [92]
 

Originally by: Helicity Boson
Originally by: Gordo Fartis
Originally by: Helicity Boson
Originally by: Lara Angel
well, the gankers had it comming, sure you can kill our ships, but the prices will just rise on your own ships.

and you will weep.


except that your mining is meaningless since most of the minerals comes from refined mission loot anyways. oh sh- now what miner?


This is funny... to think that trillion units of trit used monthly on average come from recyclin loots Rolling Eyes trully spoken by a non industrialist..


Don't eyeroll at me bub, we KNOW the majority of minerals comes from recycled loots because CCP has repeatedly told us this is the case.

Now personally, I think that's very very wrong, but hey. :/


Rolling Eyes







Rolling Eyes










Rolling Eyes

Honor Wardog
Posted - 2010.01.04 16:48:00 - [93]
 

Helicity et al, I want to thank you for HAG. I'm a miner and normally something of a carebear, and I think you're doing a great thing by organizing HAG. I'm totally serious. Eve just got a lot more interesting, and mineral prices have been awful lately. I bought an extra hulk, and yes, you bet I'm hoping the price goes up!

I don't like pirates, but this is Eve. Whiners, get a grip! Rise to the challenge! If you want to fight back, fit repper ships to fleet with your Hulks. You just need the Hulk to last long enough for Concord to do all the heavy lifting. (Don't worry about podding gankers. Only really stupid pirates fly with implants, and neither should you at times like this.)

Remember: Combat is merely doing business by other means.

davet517
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.01.04 19:44:00 - [94]
 

Edited by: davet517 on 04/01/2010 19:45:19

1. Put Warp Stabs on Your Hulk

2. Fit a sensor booster(not much need for a tank in high-sec anyway)

3. Medium ECM Drones set to agressive.

4. Watch Wannabees get Concordokken after trying to scram your stabbed hulk

5. Scoop Loot

6. Profit

Heshvette
Posted - 2010.01.04 20:11:00 - [95]
 

Edited by: Heshvette on 04/01/2010 20:12:04
Edited by: Heshvette on 04/01/2010 20:11:28
The real tragedy of it all is that I may be alt+tabbed reading all the happy trolling and tears on the forums while my fancy hulk gets blown up. What shall i do?!



Added "on the forums" for those who may be worried I read other things. Also edited to add this edit...for those who fear I'm dishonest.

Spectre3353
Gallente
Heavy Risk...
Posted - 2010.01.04 21:43:00 - [96]
 

The most truly disturbing part of all this is that the organizers of this event and those participating really don't feel that what they're doing is wrong. Somehow the act of griefing, trolling and molesting a group of players who offer absolutely no threat and actually make your gameplay possible by providing materials for YOUR SHIPS is something to be proud of? All you are doing is ruining the gaming experience for a group of players simply for the fun of it. Not only that but you are proudly advertising and REWARDING pilots for griefing to maximum effectiveness.

I honestly think that there is no place in Eve, other MMO's or even society for groups or individuals of this mindset. If you want to ruin someone else's fun, do it to yourself or go torture squirrels. The people of the world are already bad enough off without your hate-mongering.

Jath Tola
Posted - 2010.01.04 21:48:00 - [97]
 

Originally by: Spectre3353
I honestly think that there is no place in Eve, other MMO's or even society for groups or individuals of this mindset. If you want to ruin someone else's fun, do it to yourself or go torture squirrels. The people of the world are already bad enough off without your hate-mongering.

I hate to be disrespectful, but...

BAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA *gasp* AHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHA Razz

You are quite clearly playing the wrong game. I won't comment on the "actually make your gameplay possible by providing materials for YOUR SHIPS" fallacy, it's been done to death.

And am I the first person to point out that among the list of horrible dictators was "Kim Jong II", as in Kim Jong 2? The second? Is he related to Kim Jong Il? Wink

Winterjack
Posted - 2010.01.04 22:50:00 - [98]
 

An attack on RL?
A service to EVE?

Come on. This is an event. Plain and simple. The miners will lose some stuff, the pirates will get concordokken. Big deal.
As much as I don't much like non-consensual PVP I realize there's a category of PVPers that do. They like the easy gank. Fine.
Miners have the choice to park your hulk. One week without mining will increase the prices of minerals. Get over yourselves.

Culling the stupid? Don't overestimate yourselves. A service to eve? You really believe that stuff? You're gonna have fun and gank some unprotected ships. Big deal.

A tiger does not attack the elephant - it attacks the gazelle. Why? because it's easier.
The tiger has no big badass pirate delusions.

Fly safe, miners, and have fun pirates. At end of hulkageddon, I'm sure my profits will be higher.

Stu Pendisdick
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
Posted - 2010.01.04 23:06:00 - [99]
 

Originally by: Spectre3353
The most truly disturbing part of all this is that the organizers of this event and those participating really don't feel that what they're doing is wrong. Somehow the act of griefing, trolling and molesting a group of players who offer [b]absolutely no threat..............


Not so at all. You are a HUGE threat. You are mining MY asteroids and killing MY belt rats, interfering with MY income, and as such YOU MUST DIE.

No threat my fanny.

Twisted EvilYARRRR!!Twisted Evil

Yargok
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Posted - 2010.01.05 00:01:00 - [100]
 

Originally by: Jath Tola
Originally by: Spectre3353
I honestly think that there is no place in Eve, other MMO's or even society for groups or individuals of this mindset. If you want to ruin someone else's fun, do it to yourself or go torture squirrels. The people of the world are already bad enough off without your hate-mongering.

I hate to be disrespectful, but...

BAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA *gasp* AHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHA Razz

You are quite clearly playing the wrong game. I won't comment on the "actually make your gameplay possible by providing materials for YOUR SHIPS" fallacy, it's been done to death.

And am I the first person to point out that among the list of horrible dictators was "Kim Jong II", as in Kim Jong 2? The second? Is he related to Kim Jong Il? Wink


Silly boy, you were just trolled.
-That is Spectre, the CEO of the same corp as Helicity, the founder of HAG :)
Did not think someone would fall for it Rolling Eyes

Skrull Kinta
Posted - 2010.01.05 02:57:00 - [101]
 

Im a miner and at first I didnt like this but after reading the masive threads ive changed my mind.

My hats off to the ones that are seting it up.
If you pull this off which looks like you will. Good luck and have fun. Ive been gakked before when ive lost my con. It happens I also have gotten gakked gating.

Life in eve I can make up the losses easy enough. Sure ****es you off at first but thats life in a pvp game.

So good luck to miners and pirates most of all have fun guys remember its just a GAME.Laughing

Bilboz
Posted - 2010.01.05 05:07:00 - [102]
 

Awesome you want to play..lets play on the 7th im raising minneral prices 100% and everyone to do the same.Time to give the pvp corps a lesson in soddomy of the wallet.Twisted Evil

Future Mutant
Republic Military School
Posted - 2010.01.05 10:26:00 - [103]
 

Originally by: Bilboz
Awesome you want to play..lets play on the 7th im raising minneral prices 100% and everyone to do the same.Time to give the pvp corps a lesson in soddomy of the wallet.Twisted Evil


I too dont understand basic market concepts in eve..

Miners couldnt change the mineral prices in eve even if they wanted to. Why? cause anyone and their mom can mine. Combine that with most minerals do not come from roids and you get the gist.

Lutz Major
Posted - 2010.01.05 10:53:00 - [104]
 

Originally by: Future Mutant

I too dont understand basic market concepts in eve..

Miners couldnt change the mineral prices in eve even if they wanted to. Why? cause anyone and their mom can mine. Combine that with most minerals do not come from roids and you get the gist.


Yes ... you really know Jack!

Lets think about this: a decent Hulk pilot and a good mission runner will 'earn' the same amount per hour. The difference is, that the runner will not melt everything because he will loose too much ISK. He is going to sell his stuff.

And by the way: I can maybe fly an BC with Miner IIs but I need 50 more days for a Hulk. A mission runner can fly a battleship within a week or so. So who can do what more easily?

Rannarl
Posted - 2010.01.05 12:07:00 - [105]
 

Originally by: Future Mutant
Originally by: Bilboz
Awesome you want to play..lets play on the 7th im raising minneral prices 100% and everyone to do the same.Time to give the pvp corps a lesson in soddomy of the wallet.Twisted Evil


I too dont understand basic market concepts in eve..

Miners couldnt change the mineral prices in eve even if they wanted to. Why? cause anyone and their mom can mine. Combine that with most minerals do not come from roids and you get the gist.



if they're as unimportant and irrelevant as you make them sound then why all the effort of suicide ganking them. People moan about macro miners but at the same time you're saying miners have no impact on the price of minerals, make sense much? lol

Zanaraxtarus
Posted - 2010.01.05 12:50:00 - [106]
 

Originally by: Velocity Prime
Edited by: Velocity Prime on 02/01/2010 14:38:38
Originally by: Alt0101

So, first you claim your apology of terrorism and then when someone point this out you quickly come to retract you.. hmm to late, you have a big mouth.

I know who you are, you are the kind of person who take his joy by the others suffer.

That doesn't makes you special, despite your insane narcissism wished to be. unfortunately, the history has brought us other specimens with your similar way of thinkig.
i.e. Hi*ler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Kim Jong II... among others, sure you see them as "idols".
I wouldn't even be surprised if like a little Josef Fritzl (sure you envy him) you have your own daughter locked up in your basement and you "have fun with your friends" by sexual abuse of her while watching movies like Saw which sure makes you get hard.

You are a mother nature aberration/outrage and you should has born dead.

I hope nature fix its error soon by giving you a colon cancer.



ShockedLaughing

Bravo! Wishes of real life illnesses over some internet spaceships, well done!





And not even done in a message which makes sence (either grammatically, or ideologically)

Zanaraxtarus
Posted - 2010.01.05 12:57:00 - [107]
 

Originally by: davet517
Edited by: davet517 on 04/01/2010 19:45:19

1. Put Warp Stabs on Your Hulk

2. Fit a sensor booster(not much need for a tank in high-sec anyway)

3. Medium ECM Drones set to agressive.

4. Watch Wannabees get Concordokken after trying to scram your stabbed hulk

5. Scoop Loot

6. Profit



Won't work... The majority of our targets are either too worried about maxing out thier profitability to give up slots for defence (perish the thought!) or are the kind of geniouses (genium?? Question) who can't remember to do things like 'set drones to aggressive' (providing they even know what ECM drones are) ugh

Jurinak
Posted - 2010.01.05 14:04:00 - [108]
 

this event doesnt change anythink, nearly noeone who dont read the forum will even notice.

Only one think happens and this is a little bit funny, a few miners get a warm wet feeling in there shorts but thats all.

B0FROST
Posted - 2010.01.05 14:18:00 - [109]
 

Originally by: Jurinak
this event doesnt change anythink, nearly noeone who dont read the forum will even notice.

Only one think happens and this is a little bit funny, a few miners get a warm wet feeling in there shorts but thats all.


Another one, who does not understand the impact of a hundred lost Hulks.

When it is so funny to gank defenseless ships, why don't we all come to your place and kick your grandma down the stairs? Shocked

Go and bash CONCORD. THAT would be fun!

Winterjack
Posted - 2010.01.05 15:08:00 - [110]
 

Originally by: Future Mutant
Miners couldnt change the mineral prices in eve even if they wanted to. Why? cause anyone and their mom can mine.


Can you mine 5 million tritanium a day? I doubt it. Check the amount of mineral orders fulfilled: it's 3 billions of tritanium only on any given day.

You can mine with miners 1 and an osprey but you'll never be nearly as effective as a hulk miner. Only from skills I get 30% bonus on yield, then you get miner 2s and MLUs, you get refinement wastage, and you get standings with the refining corps.

Prices would rise.


Quote:
Combine that with most minerals do not come from roids and you get the gist.


Now, this is a good objection.
IF as someone said CCP reported, this is the truth.

Nian Banks
Minmatar
Berserkers of Aesir
Posted - 2010.01.05 15:32:00 - [111]
 

Edited by: Nian Banks on 05/01/2010 15:33:15
Originally by: Winterjack
Quote:
Combine that with most minerals do not come from roids and you get the gist.


Now, this is a good objection.
IF as someone said CCP reported, this is the truth.


Yeah, sadly it's the truth, CCP did state that the majority of the minerals in game came from mission loot and drone alloys.

Hence why I keep asking for meta0 tech1 modules to be removed from npc loot tables.
Mining should be by right the main way to get minerals.

Tzarus
Posted - 2010.01.05 16:31:00 - [112]
 

Edited by: Tzarus on 05/01/2010 16:32:20
Originally by: Nian Banks
Edited by: Nian Banks on 05/01/2010 15:33:15
Originally by: Winterjack
Quote:
Combine that with most minerals do not come from roids and you get the gist.


Now, this is a good objection.
IF as someone said CCP reported, this is the truth.


Yeah, sadly it's the truth, CCP did state that the majority of the minerals in game came from mission loot and drone alloys.

Hence why I keep asking for meta0 tech1 modules to be removed from npc loot tables.
Mining should be by right the main way to get minerals.


This, indeed, makes a lot of sense and I think everybody in EVE should agree.

What's the point to have the mining role play when the majority of its product actually came from a totally different source?

Better remove mining from game, or what Nian said.


EnilToor
Posted - 2010.01.05 19:09:00 - [113]
 

Originally by: Zanaraxtarus
Originally by: davet517
Edited by: davet517 on 04/01/2010 19:45:19

1. Put Warp Stabs on Your Hulk

2. Fit a sensor booster(not much need for a tank in high-sec anyway)

3. Medium ECM Drones set to agressive.

4. Watch Wannabees get Concordokken after trying to scram your stabbed hulk

5. Scoop Loot

6. Profit



Won't work... The majority of our targets are either too worried about maxing out thier profitability to give up slots for defence (perish the thought!) or are the kind of geniouses (genium?? Question) who can't remember to do things like 'set drones to aggressive' (providing they even know what ECM drones are) ugh


Exactly! i was looking at the last killboard from HAG 1 and laughing, there were hulks with the craziest stuff in the mids and lows. if they had a clue they could outfit a hulk that it would take a bit of fire power to take it down, im sure they still think a hornet EC is a type of bee that wishes to sting.

Exstasia
XIII Interstellar Legion
Posted - 2010.01.05 19:25:00 - [114]
 

Looks like I'll be docked up for a bit! Let me know how this all pans out, i'm curious to know how many ships are gonna get blown up!

(seeing i'm relatively new and have 4 accounts, 1 orca, 2 hulks and 1 security, I wont be taking the risk in the belts that week. I'll focus on training something thats 7 days long :P)

Steve Thomas
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2010.01.05 20:00:00 - [115]
 

1) run missions untill you get one with decent roids behind a jump gate or away from the warp in point (or scan down Grav sights)

2) park mining op pre alined to station and fitted with half way decent tanks and warp stablisers

3) optional park alt at the warp in point (on the first gate) so that anyone who flys in is spotted. a suprising number of missions the drop in point is a bit away from the first gate

4) turn in mission once all minable roids are gone

the odds are good that anyone who actualy scans down your location and shows up will be expecting to loot wrecks not shoot at a mining op

from what I have seen most simply fly out to whatever roid belts are out there.

Barakkus
Posted - 2010.01.05 21:32:00 - [116]
 

Edited by: Barakkus on 05/01/2010 21:33:39
Originally by: davet517
Edited by: davet517 on 04/01/2010 19:45:19

1. Put Warp Stabs on Your Hulk

2. Fit a sensor booster(not much need for a tank in high-sec anyway)

3. Medium ECM Drones set to agressive.

4. Watch Wannabees get Concordokken after trying to scram your stabbed hulk

5. Scoop Loot

6. Profit



You're not very bright are you? This will just get you dead. The goal is to survive the suicide gank long enough for concord to do their job. You will not survive a suicide gank with no tank, you'll get popped in 2 volleys (or less), which, if they overload their guns might even get off a third if the first 2 don't kill you.

Tank your hulk and stay aligned. Most of the time when you're suicided the attackers fit for max dps, not scramming etc, they don't care, they're going to try and kill you before concord responds. Rolling Eyes

sir gankalot
Posted - 2010.01.05 23:08:00 - [117]
 

Originally by: Borun Tal
Edited by: Borun Tal on 03/01/2010 20:07:40
Originally by: sir gankalot
Exactly, the recycling of alts is considered an exploit but even then it's almost impossible to prove.


Little thing called a MAC address. If CCP wanted to do something about it they just embed any MAC addresses used at login into every account; if a preloader at one MAC addy is the same as another account, both get banned. But that won't happen, so the preloading with trials is perfectly valid.

Edited for grammar...
Dude, it's not about MAC, IP or whatever means of account identification. It's about the fact that you cant prove ppl's intent.

Why did you shoot at that can in the belt? "Cuz I felt like it."

Why did you delete that alt when it hit -3 sec status? "Didn't like him, want a minnie alt now and he had little SP anyway.".

See what I'm getting at?

Look, if you delete 5 alts in one week or something then you might have a case. Other than that, it's incredibly simple to continue using ur -10 char to preload belts with concord too. Just abuse the same mechanics suicide gankers have done for ages. Laughing


Btw, apparently the concord trick doesn't work, according to the suicide gankers, so they can all stop *****ing about it. Rolling Eyes

Even if it did work, they will just alpha every Hulk, so no need for anyone to whine about this. The gankers themselves said it will not affect them Very Happy

Ana'Lingus
Posted - 2010.01.06 02:14:00 - [118]
 

Originally by: sir gankalot
Spread the word brothers and sisters \o/
I might even actively go scouting for hulks during the event and warn them and pre-load belts with concord just for lulz.


for one, I don't think this works, and for two, I'm pretty sure this is an exploit..

davet517
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.01.06 05:04:00 - [119]
 

Originally by: Barakkus
Edited by: Barakkus on 05/01/2010 21:33:39


You're not very bright are you? This will just get you dead. The goal is to survive the suicide gank long enough for concord to do their job. You will not survive a suicide gank with no tank, you'll get popped in 2 volleys (or less), which, if they overload their guns might even get off a third if the first 2 don't kill you.




Considerably brighter than you are, I guess. You aren't going to tank a suicide ganker in your hulk, skippy. You can, however, be aligned and stabbed, and warp out as soon as he tries to point you. The ECM drones are there to jam him up if he's smart enough to have someone get him a warp-in so he can try to bump you, but if he were that smart he'd most likely be in 0.0 with the real PvPers.

If you fit a sensor boost to offset the effect of the stabs, you can still mine reasonably well and fit enough buffer to survive the one volley that he MIGHT get off before you're gone or he's jammed.

You should probably just stay docked. It's your best bet.


Grim Bo
Posted - 2010.01.06 06:18:00 - [120]
 

I for one will be mining Balls to the Walls in that awesome fail fit hulk. ill be in Kamio come and get me Razz


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