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Jianni Sotaku
Sotaku Estate
Posted - 2010.01.18 09:59:00 - [31]
 

Maybe this was mentioned earlier Im not sure, but I know someone said that it would be impossible to maintain a dominant religious culture from eve collapse to modern day.

Well, in a way that never happened. It was only one people on Athra, the Amarrians that had these religious beliefs... And those beliefs told them to 'reclaim' everyone that was not a believer and pretty much force them into becoming one.

So its not like it was, 'yes, we all agree on this this and this for 1000+ years'. There are references to massive social uphevals, such as those involving the Theology council and the increased role of the emperor and all that jazz.

Niayavaran
Posted - 2010.01.20 02:35:00 - [32]
 

First of all http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=201430 covers this question pretty good.
The Amarrian family "Ardishapur" is one of the strongest references to the origions, Shapur was a king in Persia(Modern day Iran), of the Sassanian dynasty whom killed three Roman Emperors.
The zone in the Amarrian space called "Zoroast" is a reference to Zarathustra's monotheistic teachings "Zoroastrianism".
There are alot of references like theese, but seeing there are many other influences, id say sure they have alot of Persian influences mixed with some other empires, but my vote goes for Iranic-Origins.

Invelious
Amarr
Adamant Edge
Posted - 2010.01.20 16:08:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Gebher'el


From the fiction we have available the lack of mention of Christ would leave one to believe that the Catholic bend would be a bit dimissed with prehaps the practice of saints being the main carry forward.






Is there any symbolic imagery of the cross used though?

Garion Avarr
Amarr
Adhocracy Incorporated
Posted - 2010.01.21 05:43:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Invelious

Is there any symbolic imagery of the cross used though?


Not sure I'd list it as symbolic, but the Celtic Christian Cross did appear on the old-model Bestower.

Deviana Sevidon
Gallente
Panta-Rhei
Butterfly Effect Alliance
Posted - 2010.01.21 14:09:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Niayavaran
First of all http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=201430 covers this question pretty good.
The Amarrian family "Ardishapur" is one of the strongest references to the origions, Shapur was a king in Persia(Modern day Iran), of the Sassanian dynasty whom killed three Roman Emperors.
The zone in the Amarrian space called "Zoroast" is a reference to Zarathustra's monotheistic teachings "Zoroastrianism".
There are alot of references like theese, but seeing there are many other influences, id say sure they have alot of Persian influences mixed with some other empires, but my vote goes for Iranic-Origins.


Iran is exactly a country known for catholicsm. Rolling Eyes
Also it has been adressed a hundred times before, it is not wise to pinpoint the EVE Races to a certain Earth Nationality, since the origins of each race were different social groups mixed together.

Might there be some persian influcene in the Amarr? Possibly there were some of persian origins among those who later became the Amarr, but there were other groups as well.

Imran
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.01.21 19:03:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Gebher'el
A lot of people point to a Cathloic form for expplination. I agree with the fictional basis behind this but find that for best play a pure Cathloic form does not work. In my opinion the Amarr faith can best be represented by three faiths.

1) Old Testiment Judism; they believed in the fact they where the sole chosen of God as a RACE, they took slaves of other races and believed while others could convert they could not truly be equal to God's chosen people. hey where also very expansionist.

2) Middle Ages Muslims; they felt they had to conquer people to put them under Allah's law and thus show them the try path. Very warlike but at the same time they had a deeper intellectual side. (Remember Amarr where the first to gain space flight back).

3) Middle Ages Catholic; see themselves as the true represenatives of God as an entity, fought to hold the holy places from those not of their faith, infidels. Very politically motivated and oriented compared to most religions.

Combining these three aspects together I feel you gain the single best representation of the Amarr culture. As for the language I would say it would likely be based on a mix of an Arabic/Hebrew hybrid and Latin. From the fiction we have available the lack of mention of Christ would leave one to believe that the Catholic bend would be a bit dimissed with prehaps the practice of saints being the main carry forward.

The single God entity would indicate a move more toward the Jewish/Muslim approach. The political structure seems to more closely follow a hybird form of old testiment Jews with the Emperor in this instance serving as an incarnation of the High Preast.

It is an interesting topic and one of the reasons I play the Amarr and enjoy them for RP. As a race they have some of deepest RP potential and well defined character.


Interesting analysis :)

Kharamete
Amarr
Posted - 2010.01.22 07:16:00 - [37]
 

Edited by: Kharamete on 22/01/2010 07:16:44
Originally by: Gebher'el

The single God entity would indicate a move more toward the Jewish/Muslim approach. The political structure seems to more closely follow a hybird form of old testiment Jews with the Emperor in this instance serving as an incarnation of the High Preast.



Actually I think the Amarrian structure more resembles the Byzantian one where the culture carried on the tradition of near divinity for the emperor. One has to remember that Byzantium was Rome until the very end - it was the continuation of the roman empire, even if Italy away to the Goths and the Langobards and isolation.

In Constantinople Rome continued, and the emperor was as "divine" as Augustus, even if he was subject to god. I think that is a more suitable way to view Amarr, and you see sort of hints and explanations of that. At least I think the CCP had that in mind.

Byzantium WAS an amalgamation of conflicting influences: greek and classical, european, judaism, and moslem. Of course, this happens a long, long time into the future, but I still think that Amarr is more a Byzantian model than anything else.

Seishi Maru
doMAL S.A.
Posted - 2010.01.23 21:00:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: Deviana Sevidon
Originally by: Niayavaran
First of all http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=201430 covers this question pretty good.
The Amarrian family "Ardishapur" is one of the strongest references to the origions, Shapur was a king in Persia(Modern day Iran), of the Sassanian dynasty whom killed three Roman Emperors.
The zone in the Amarrian space called "Zoroast" is a reference to Zarathustra's monotheistic teachings "Zoroastrianism".
There are alot of references like theese, but seeing there are many other influences, id say sure they have alot of Persian influences mixed with some other empires, but my vote goes for Iranic-Origins.


Iran is exactly a country known for catholicsm. Rolling Eyes
Also it has been adressed a hundred times before, it is not wise to pinpoint the EVE Races to a certain Earth Nationality, since the origins of each race were different social groups mixed together.

Might there be some persian influcene in the Amarr? Possibly there were some of persian origins among those who later became the Amarr, but there were other groups as well.


Islamism, Christianism and Judaism are theologicaly wise pretty much sister religions. They are all called abrhanic religions that supposedly believe in same god. When you speadk of thousands of years of evolution the changes are so big that you can pretty much consider today chirstianism and islamism as SAME religion for the purpose of this conversation.


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