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Greygal
Gallente
Sephray Industries
Serenitas Solutus
Posted - 2009.12.31 11:54:00 - [1]
 

I've only been playing Eve for about 7 months, and sure, I've made a lot of newbie mistakes... a lot! - but I never thought paying ransom was a mistake before. I've been caught by pirates six times and every time I've been offered a ransom to pay in order to release my ship (or in one case, not destroy my pod). Each time I paid, and each time, the ransom was honored, I went on my tail-tucked, sheepish way, limping to safety.

Until today. Make a really stupid and silly long story short: I was web scrammed by Lord Carvin of [ID10T], he got into my hull, and then he offered me a $25 million isk ransom.

I withdrew my drones, I shut down my turrets, and I paid the $25 million isk ransom.

He stopped firing for a bit, but he didn't release the warp scram. I could not get away. He started firing on me again, and destroyed my Myrm. Spamming the warp-to-zero button, I did get my pod to safety.

Look, I know Lord Carvin is a pirate, and a very experienced player. I know pirating is part of Eve, and despite the annoyance of it all, I don't really mind it that much - it does add a bit of flair and excitement to the game! I expect pirates to gank, can flip, and generally wreak havoc on the universe. That's expected.

What's not expected is a pirate, especially one of several years experience like Lord Carvin, to have no honor. From everything I've read and heard and learned in my short time in Eve, destroying a player's ship after they've paid the ransom is not honorable pirate behavior. Yes, I know it sounds crazy, but I do expect pirates to have a certain amount of honor, even though they are pirates! Even in the crazy sandbox of Eve, there are some few givens, some few unwritten "rules" ... ya, I'm probably insane...

Anyway, I guess paying 7 ransoms and having 6 of them honored is really not bad, statistically, but I will very much hesitate to pay a ransom to any pirate again in the future.

Okay, I'm done whining/venting :)

Greygal

Malephar
Posted - 2009.12.31 11:59:00 - [2]
 

Some will tell you there is no honour in Eve.
Some will tell you to stop crying.
All will laugh.




Many will honour ransoms... if you're seeing a 6:1 ratio of ransom honouring then thats not too bad.

Don't knock the pirate that dishonours the ransom any more than one who honours it, however. Sure, you might be left feeling like you got lucky if you pay a ransom and are released, and think better of the pirate who honoured it, but remember that both are in business to make profit, and both are essentially being bastards to you.

Grunanca
Final Agony
B A N E
Posted - 2009.12.31 12:02:00 - [3]
 

Its bad apples like him that makes other pirates have to find alternative ways of getting isk. I hope he will get his ass handed to him and im sure he will.

I hope you will continue paying in the future, its not many that dont honor ransoms.

Greygal
Gallente
Sephray Industries
Serenitas Solutus
Posted - 2009.12.31 12:19:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Malephar

Don't knock the pirate that dishonours the ransom any more than one who honours it, however. Sure, you might be left feeling like you got lucky if you pay a ransom and are released, and think better of the pirate who honoured it, but remember that both are in business to make profit, and both are essentially being bastards to you.


So very very true :) They are both being bastards :) Good point, well taken, thank you, I will remember that!!


Originally by: Grunanca
Its bad apples like him that makes other pirates have to find alternative ways of getting isk. I hope he will get his ass handed to him and im sure he will.

I hope you will continue paying in the future, its not many that dont honor ransoms.


Hopefully, I'll continue to mostly manage to avoid pirates :) I'd rather not add to the profit margin of a pirate in general, of course, but hey, I know, pirating is a business just like mining or missioning. :)

It's been about four months since I got snared by a pirate... overall compared to some people I know, I've actually been pretty lucky. :)

Greygal

Serlunt
Posted - 2009.12.31 12:30:00 - [5]
 

I go about 70/30 on ransoms being honored.

In General
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2009.12.31 12:56:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Greygal
I'd rather not add to the profit margin of a pirate in general,

Greygal



Why, what did I ever do to you? I need iskies too...... Crying or Very sad

Greygal
Gallente
Sephray Industries
Serenitas Solutus
Posted - 2009.12.31 13:00:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Greygal on 31/12/2009 13:00:01
Originally by: In General
Originally by: Greygal
I'd rather not add to the profit margin of a pirate in general,

Greygal



Why, what did I ever do to you? I need iskies too...... Crying or Very sad


LaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughing
Somehow I bet you have a lot more iskies than me :)
LaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughing



Selina Starfire
Dark Shadow Industries
Sev3rance
Posted - 2009.12.31 13:07:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Malephar
Don't knock the pirate that dishonours the ransom any more than one who honours it, however. Sure, you might be left feeling like you got lucky if you pay a ransom and are released, and think better of the pirate who honoured it, but remember that both are in business to make profit, and both are essentially being bastards to you.


I have to say I disagree with this. Granted, this is Eve, and scams, liars and griefers run aplenty but there ARE two types of pirates, those who maintain their honor and respect and have fun and those who are just out to ruin someone elses day. Although I am not a pirate, I do know a number of them and most will tell you that a large part of their income comes from ransoms. You get too many people not honoring those ransoms and eventually you'll get this:

Originally by: Greygal
I will very much hesitate to pay a ransom to any pirate again in the future.


A pirate like Carvin just makes every pirate look bad and should be hunted to hell and back by every other pirate. But than that's just my personal thoughts.

Frankly, for future reference Greygal, as they say, birds of a feather flock together, which I find to be very true in Eve. So best to not bother paying an offered ransom if ever caught by anyone from [ID10T] again.

Malephar
Posted - 2009.12.31 13:32:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Selina Starfire
Originally by: Malephar
Don't knock the pirate that dishonours the ransom any more than one who honours it, however. Sure, you might be left feeling like you got lucky if you pay a ransom and are released, and think better of the pirate who honoured it, but remember that both are in business to make profit, and both are essentially being bastards to you.


I have to say I disagree with this. Granted, this is Eve, and scams, liars and griefers run aplenty but there ARE two types of pirates, those who maintain their honor and respect and have fun and those who are just out to ruin someone elses day. Although I am not a pirate, I do know a number of them and most will tell you that a large part of their income comes from ransoms. You get too many people not honoring those ransoms and eventually you'll get this:

Originally by: Greygal
I will very much hesitate to pay a ransom to any pirate again in the future.


A pirate like Carvin just makes every pirate look bad and should be hunted to hell and back by every other pirate. But than that's just my personal thoughts.

Frankly, for future reference Greygal, as they say, birds of a feather flock together, which I find to be very true in Eve. So best to not bother paying an offered ransom if ever caught by anyone from [ID10T] again.


I see what you're saying, but I don't think that dishonouring a ransom is greifing specifically - sure, sometimes it is just to annoy someone else, because you can, but sometimes it is simply to slice off a little bit of extra profit.

That having been said, it is pretty low to offer someone a way out, and not actually give it to them... on rare occasions when I've offered a ransom, I've honoured it, simply because it is good business sense; eg. take a tiny hit in profit now, to foster goodwill in the future (I find it amusing that ransoming can generate goodwill).

I don't really see it as an issue of honour exactly, simply a method of keeping your "customer base" as fat and docile as possible!

So I don't see Carvin as more of a scumbag than anyone else, but more as someone who consumes exhaustively without taking care to plant seeds for future growth... so he's a fool who's ruining it for all the other pirates, but surely bastard on an equal footing.

jimmyjam
Gallente
Sinner Among Saints
Exquisite Malevolence
Posted - 2009.12.31 13:33:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Greygal
I've only been playing Eve for about 7 months, and sure, I've made a lot of newbie mistakes... a lot! - but I never thought paying ransom was a mistake before. I've been caught by pirates six times and every time I've been offered a ransom to pay in order to release my ship (or in one case, not destroy my pod). Each time I paid, and each time, the ransom was honored, I went on my tail-tucked, sheepish way, limping to safety.

Until today. Make a really stupid and silly long story short: I was web scrammed by Lord Carvin of [ID10T], he got into my hull, and then he offered me a $25 million isk ransom.

I withdrew my drones, I shut down my turrets, and I paid the $25 million isk ransom.

He stopped firing for a bit, but he didn't release the warp scram. I could not get away. He started firing on me again, and destroyed my Myrm. Spamming the warp-to-zero button, I did get my pod to safety.

Look, I know Lord Carvin is a pirate, and a very experienced player. I know pirating is part of Eve, and despite the annoyance of it all, I don't really mind it that much - it does add a bit of flair and excitement to the game! I expect pirates to gank, can flip, and generally wreak havoc on the universe. That's expected.

What's not expected is a pirate, especially one of several years experience like Lord Carvin, to have no honor. From everything I've read and heard and learned in my short time in Eve, destroying a player's ship after they've paid the ransom is not honorable pirate behavior. Yes, I know it sounds crazy, but I do expect pirates to have a certain amount of honor, even though they are pirates! Even in the crazy sandbox of Eve, there are some few givens, some few unwritten "rules" ... ya, I'm probably insane...

Anyway, I guess paying 7 ransoms and having 6 of them honored is really not bad, statistically, but I will very much hesitate to pay a ransom to any pirate again in the future.

Okay, I'm done whining/venting :)

Greygal


The guys corp ticker says it all dont it.A lot of the new school pies dishonor ransoms.The pies that are worth a sh it honor them.

Skoot
Local Threat
Posted - 2009.12.31 17:19:00 - [11]
 

LOL @ Anyone in eve that says Hono(u)r



Dire Radiant
Posted - 2009.12.31 17:31:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Skoot
LOL @ Anyone in eve that says Hono(u)r





Toon is worse.

Ekon Bor
Amarr
Van Diemen's Demise
Merciless.
Posted - 2009.12.31 17:35:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Malephar
Some will tell you there is no honour in Eve.
Some will tell you to stop crying.
All will laugh.




Many will honour ransoms... if you're seeing a 6:1 ratio of ransom honouring then thats not too bad.

Don't knock the pirate that dishonours the ransom any more than one who honours it, however. Sure, you might be left feeling like you got lucky if you pay a ransom and are released, and think better of the pirate who honoured it, but remember that both are in business to make profit, and both are essentially being bastards to you.


What an utter pile of *******s.

Both those that honour ransoms and those that don't are in business to make a profit, agreed. But one did what he said he'd do, and one did not. Both might essentially be being bastards, but one is a reasonable, moderate bastard and one isn't. Pirates who dishonour ransoms, are also in it for the killmails. Which means that they aren't just running a business anymore, they're running an ego. Which is cool, but it ain't the same. I'm not arguing that the OP deserves a lot of sympathy - when it comes to ransoms, you pays your money, you takes your chances - but this idea that pirates who deliver on the deal = same as people who don't, is as dumb as a bag of hammers.

Ravenclaw2kk
Minmatar
Blue Republic
Posted - 2009.12.31 17:42:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Greygal
I've only been playing Eve for about 7 months, and sure, I've made a lot of newbie mistakes... a lot! - but I never thought paying ransom was a mistake before. I've been caught by pirates six times and every time I've been offered a ransom to pay in order to release my ship (or in one case, not destroy my pod). Each time I paid, and each time, the ransom was honored, I went on my tail-tucked, sheepish way, limping to safety.

Until today. Make a really stupid and silly long story short: I was web scrammed by Lord Carvin of [ID10T], he got into my hull, and then he offered me a $25 million isk ransom.

I withdrew my drones, I shut down my turrets, and I paid the $25 million isk ransom.

He stopped firing for a bit, but he didn't release the warp scram. I could not get away. He started firing on me again, and destroyed my Myrm. Spamming the warp-to-zero button, I did get my pod to safety.

Look, I know Lord Carvin is a pirate, and a very experienced player. I know pirating is part of Eve, and despite the annoyance of it all, I don't really mind it that much - it does add a bit of flair and excitement to the game! I expect pirates to gank, can flip, and generally wreak havoc on the universe. That's expected.

What's not expected is a pirate, especially one of several years experience like Lord Carvin, to have no honor. From everything I've read and heard and learned in my short time in Eve, destroying a player's ship after they've paid the ransom is not honorable pirate behavior. Yes, I know it sounds crazy, but I do expect pirates to have a certain amount of honor, even though they are pirates! Even in the crazy sandbox of Eve, there are some few givens, some few unwritten "rules" ... ya, I'm probably insane...

Anyway, I guess paying 7 ransoms and having 6 of them honored is really not bad, statistically, but I will very much hesitate to pay a ransom to any pirate again in the future.

Okay, I'm done whining/venting :)

Greygal



Bit of advice - you need to post some proof with accusations. A wallet screenshot along with the KM would do nicely. yo haven;t been trolled yet but it's bound to happen

nautix
Posted - 2009.12.31 17:45:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Skoot
LOL @ Anyone in eve that says Hono(u)r





and that is incorrect how exactly? :)

If someone does not speak american english it does not make it wrong ;)

Sorry for stumbling aside from the topic, but back on topic!
There is no honour amongst pirates, they can ransom but don't have to, they can ransom but not keep it.
Certain pirates live off the ransoms and they will honour them, however most don't care and are out for the killmails, the ransom for them is a juicy bonus that precedes the killmail

ANGRY23
the united
Negative Ten.
Posted - 2009.12.31 18:03:00 - [16]
 

The United (BL3H) honor 100% ransoms so come to rancer next time kthxbyeYARRRR!!

willdieinabout24hrs
Posted - 2009.12.31 18:05:00 - [17]
 

Sorry to hear it. Lord Carvin and his friends are all jerks. Most of them are also too stupid and cowardly to go out to 0.0. Here's a partial list of his alts and friends for your future revenge:

Corps------
Black Marsh X (anyone with this corp in their history is a RL friend or alt of Lord Carvin)
Modro
Modro Roughnecks
Pursuit of Power
Nova Republic
Nova Shipyards
characters----
The Fraek
GeorgeCY
Drunkenirony
Jebediah Beane
eldiablo blanco
the intrepid
luav
Yussef
Jenny Twotone
Commander Criton
ImAMog
Astrial Stargazer
Fatal Solititude
OrionsBelt
Doug White
jamessearle0
tiptip
zippyant
nova fox
atwa awta
ember fox

uncertain----
slon02-got this one second hand, not sure
zo5o-got this one second hand, not sure
Spectre Wraith (popped up on a search; not familiar with this one)

don't forget battleclinic lists known associates

lil j0n
Posted - 2009.12.31 18:37:00 - [18]
 

I'm going to reply the same way I replied to the outraged honorable pirates in Vasili VonHolst's thread of epicness: Rules for ransoms don't apply in highsec, because there's little to no return business.

My only criticism is that he should not be teaching people this fact of life when they are so young and not so profitable.

Sir Carnage
Posted - 2009.12.31 18:51:00 - [19]
 

My corp mates and I have run into Lord Carvin more than a couple times . We've found that the best way to deal with him is to do something he won't expect. Shoot back and then click in space. It'll throw him off and he won't know what to do. With any luck, he'll stop moving, try to figure out what to do, and give you enough time to blow him up.

slon02
Posted - 2009.12.31 19:15:00 - [20]
 

Just so you know, I'm not an alt or a friend of Lord Carvin- I can't say that I remember meeting him.

Arox Dax
Gallente
Volition Cult
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2009.12.31 20:11:00 - [21]
 

as you can see. there's a lot of people vouching for the corp Laughing

ID 10 T Recruitment

Maybe you can confuse them/him and join the corp, blow them up from the inside, as someone has already said, the corp name is apt for this crowd,

Lyris Nairn
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.12.31 21:56:00 - [22]
 

If the worst thing you have to complain about in your life at the moment is something negative that happened in a video game, then you have a pretty nice life. :)

mandaro
Posted - 2009.12.31 23:05:00 - [23]
 

Dishonouring ransoms and agreed 1 v 1s are two things that I rank amongst the lowest forms of scummery in eve.

I wish him many blobs upon his head.

Andrea Skye
Caldari
Heavy Risk...
Posted - 2010.01.01 00:02:00 - [24]
 

Some people are just turds.

But its eve, always a chance your about to get screwed over. Its what makes the game intresting.

Jesslyn Daggererux
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
The 0rphanage
Posted - 2010.01.01 00:42:00 - [25]
 

i feel relevant to this conversation. i always show up in the honor threads it feels. i do highsec wars and mission invasion and never honor a ransom. i always throw that out there because eve has too many players for them to remember one little name in one miniscule chance i ever run into them. for what i do, its bad to honor ransoms.

if you dont get why, i guess you can just search my post history and find out. i explained it in detail many times now. and for lowsec? it can quite easily be worth it to dishonor still using a little thing called math. oh, and no need discussing what if in 0.0 since its safer than lowsec anyway. big bears out there.

CATfromCheshire
Rave Technologies Inc.
C0VEN
Posted - 2010.01.01 01:04:00 - [26]
 

Some ppl just try to make money this way, so bastards who dishonours ransoms are killmail *****s, bad for business. There is similar situation with players, who disrespect duels - most of them do respect 1vs1, coz it is most amusing in eve. And some of them dont't, coz they are killmail *****s with no skill, and they do not care.Thats the difference between greenhorn, and more advanced player - casuals (and WoW players, occasionaly playing EVE)usually simple do not understand how amusing is to ransom a pod (I do it for fun, not for money), or kill a well skilled pilot in nice duel.

Sir Carnage
Posted - 2010.01.01 01:25:00 - [27]
 

I know I don't care to ransom ships, but I will ransom a pod. Sometimes it pays, sometimes they're in a jump clone. I do honor ransoms because chances are that if you hunt in certain areas most of the time you will run across them again eventually. And yes, they will remember the guy that blew up their ship and then honored the ransom of their pod. Not honoring ransoms only makes sense if you don't have a typical time and day(s) of the week you play and you don't hunt in the same areas. If you do any of those and don't honor ransoms you're likely just shooting yourself in the foot. You may not remember them, but they'll remember you.

IvyRose
Deadline.
Posted - 2010.01.01 01:27:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: willdieinabout24hrs
Sorry to hear it. Lord Carvin and his friends are all jerks. Most of them are also too stupid and cowardly to go out to 0.0. Here's a partial list of his alts and friends for your future revenge:

Corps------
Black Marsh X (anyone with this corp in their history is a RL friend or alt of Lord Carvin)
Modro
Modro Roughnecks
Pursuit of Power
Nova Republic
Nova Shipyards
characters----
The Fraek
GeorgeCY
Drunkenirony
Jebediah Beane
eldiablo blanco
the intrepid
luav
Yussef
Jenny Twotone
Commander Criton
ImAMog
Astrial Stargazer
Fatal Solititude
OrionsBelt
Doug White
jamessearle0
tiptip
zippyant
nova fox
atwa awta
ember fox

uncertain----
slon02-got this one second hand, not sure
zo5o-got this one second hand, not sure
Spectre Wraith (popped up on a search; not familiar with this one)

don't forget battleclinic lists known associates



Im the current CEO of Black Marsh and id like to correct your post we are not all RL friends or alts of Carvin so get your facts straight. Second of all if you kept up on anything youd see that alot of those names are now in 0.0 corporations. Thank you and for future reference if you have an issue get your facts straight. Have a wonderful day.Razz

Big Gym2
Posted - 2010.01.01 01:41:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: IvyRose
Originally by: willdieinabout24hrs
Sorry to hear it. Lord Carvin and his friends are all jerks. Most of them are also too stupid and cowardly to go out to 0.0. Here's a partial list of his alts and friends for your future revenge:

Corps------
Black Marsh X (anyone with this corp in their history is a RL friend or alt of Lord Carvin)
Modro
Modro Roughnecks
Pursuit of Power
Nova Republic
Nova Shipyards
characters----
The Fraek
GeorgeCY
Drunkenirony
Jebediah Beane
eldiablo blanco
the intrepid
luav
Yussef
Jenny Twotone
Commander Criton
ImAMog
Astrial Stargazer
Fatal Solititude
OrionsBelt
Doug White
jamessearle0
tiptip
zippyant
nova fox
atwa awta
ember fox

uncertain----
slon02-got this one second hand, not sure
zo5o-got this one second hand, not sure
Spectre Wraith (popped up on a search; not familiar with this one)

don't forget battleclinic lists known associates



Im the current CEO of Black Marsh and id like to correct your post we are not all RL friends or alts of Carvin so get your facts straight. Second of all if you kept up on anything youd see that alot of those names are now in 0.0 corporations. Thank you and for future reference if you have an issue get your facts straight. Have a wonderful day.Razz



OMG WTF is this? Fatal and Astrial make the list but I dont? I am way more scary then those two! BTW who is this Lord Carvin guy we are all talking about?

Jenny Twotone
The Reformed
Posted - 2010.01.01 01:41:00 - [30]
 

Confirming that this topic is now all about me. Thank you.

You may proceed to regale the public with tales of my adventures in zpacezhip gamez!1!`

Seriously though, feel free to talk more about me.


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