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Lord Zap
Caldari
Fairlight Corp
Rooks and Kings
Posted - 2009.12.30 22:23:00 - [1]
 

Dear CCP,

Please find it in your hearts to boost the woeful Commodore C64-esque CPU output of the Chimera. Conservative estimates suggest it needs atleast another 10% for fitting purposes.

Much love,

Zap

Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
Posted - 2009.12.30 22:34:00 - [2]
 

Conservative estimates suggest your skills and setup are the problem, not the Chimera.

James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2009.12.30 22:52:00 - [3]
 

My money would be on the CPU cost of capital shield reppers. Boosters you only ever need one of, so whatever.
175CPU though, means you run out in a hurry if you try a dual capital RR fit.
Y'know, of the kind you can do pretty easily in an armour carrier, because they have tonnes of spare powergrid?

I mean, you can fit a triage module, and 4 CRARs and have fitting space to spare.

Cambarus
Malicious Destruction
War Against the Manifest
Posted - 2009.12.30 22:57:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Merin Ryskin
Conservative estimates suggest your skills and setup are the problem, not the Chimera.
I'm gonna have to side with the guy in the alliance that's very well known for being absolute pwnage with carriers *hint*it's not yours :P

But yeh, as with sub-cap ships, the problem lies less with the cpu of the ship itself and more with the ridiculous requirements for the RR mods, while a boost to the cpu of the chimera would be nice, IMO it'd be better if they just lowered the cpu needs of cap remote shield reps.

Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
Posted - 2009.12.30 23:01:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 30/12/2009 23:01:06
Originally by: Cambarus
Originally by: Merin Ryskin
Conservative estimates suggest your skills and setup are the problem, not the Chimera.
I'm gonna have to side with the guy in the alliance that's very well known for being absolute pwnage with carriers *hint*it's not yours :P

But yeh, as with sub-cap ships, the problem lies less with the cpu of the ship itself and more with the ridiculous requirements for the RR mods, while a boost to the cpu of the chimera would be nice, IMO it'd be better if they just lowered the cpu needs of cap remote shield reps.



Hint: you can fit 4x capital shield reps + triage on a Chimera without CPU mods. In fact, you will run out of cap to run it all long before you run out of CPU.

Cheesestick Charlie
Posted - 2009.12.30 23:08:00 - [6]
 

Ishtar please Sad

L'Artest
Posted - 2009.12.30 23:22:00 - [7]
 

have you considered that the cpu cost is there to prohibit certain fittings?

Lacolo Basema
Kotar Engineering
Posted - 2009.12.30 23:23:00 - [8]
 

As stated above, problem is with shield RR, not the Chimera. Make a petition for that.

Ardetia
Caldari
Killer Koalas
Posted - 2009.12.31 03:31:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Merin Ryskin
Conservative estimates suggest your skills and setup are the problem, not the Chimera.


i have to chip in here, as ive crunched numbers for hundreds of fittings
the best fitting leaves 2 shield transfer and 2 smartbombs in highs
no room for triage or a capxfer in the last slot unless you have 5% cpu implant

and i surely hope its not another target painter on dread thing, that chimera pilots need 5% cpu to use best fit
btw. your fit, or your alliances fit, probably sucks.. and im not trying to troll
if you change your fit out some, maybe youll see the magical fit too :)
its very cpu intensive, but its the capital shield transporters that are the nail in the coffin for the last slot
50 cpu less, and voila you have 100 cpu, which could be used to get another capxfer on

i have to amend though, that in doing this theres also a possibility of a 2x capital shield booster fit that could let you have 2 shield xfers in highs..
which is very, very OP with carrier 5
that should probably be avoided

Qui Shon
Posted - 2009.12.31 07:42:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Merin Ryskin
Conservative estimates suggest your skills and setup are the problem, not the Chimera.


Troll. Rolling Eyes

Yeah, you can fit 4 cap ST... if you don't fit a tank, so ****ing what? Chimera is the ONLY carrier, that cannot fit a decent tank + triage + 4 of it's bonused Capital Remote support mods in it's higs, without fitting mods. Regardless of which combination of bonused support mods you choose, or how much isk you're ready to spend.

It is at a clear disadvantage when it comes to fitting in relation to the other carriers, that much is obvious.

Furb Killer
Gallente
Posted - 2009.12.31 08:37:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Qui Shon
Originally by: Merin Ryskin
Conservative estimates suggest your skills and setup are the problem, not the Chimera.


Troll. Rolling Eyes

Yeah, you can fit 4 cap ST... if you don't fit a tank, so ****ing what? Chimera is the ONLY carrier, that cannot fit a decent tank + triage + 4 of it's bonused Capital Remote support mods in it's higs, without fitting mods. Regardless of which combination of bonused support mods you choose, or how much isk you're ready to spend.

It is at a clear disadvantage when it comes to fitting in relation to the other carriers, that much is obvious.

I agree it can use a bit more CPU, however why would you want to fit a tank on a ship with 4 capital RR + triage? Or in other words, why would you want to fit 4 capital RR + triage on a ship with a tank. It is going to cap out immediatly.

Qui Shon
Posted - 2009.12.31 10:42:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Qui Shon on 31/12/2009 10:50:50
Originally by: Furb Killer
I agree it can use a bit more CPU, however why would you want to fit a tank on a ship with 4 capital RR + triage? Or in other words, why would you want to fit 4 capital RR + triage on a ship with a tank. It is going to cap out immediatly.


Uhh, that's like asking why you would bring light drones and/or a neut on your Mega, when your weapons are designed for BS size targets. Are you going to use your light drones and your neut non-stop when shooting another battleship?

Just because you have triage, doesn't mean you're going to use it constantly. It's an option you can use when you need it, to greatly increase tank, remote stuff (1 triage rr = 4 non triage ones), and also locktime / targets locked, meaning you can better keep up with changing targets.
There's more to capitals then huge blobfests where they can get vaporized in seconds.

Lord Zap
Caldari
Fairlight Corp
Rooks and Kings
Posted - 2009.12.31 17:54:00 - [13]
 

Yes I intentionally ignored the troll since she is relatively new to the game and spends 99% of her time here on the forums.

Issue remains Chimera is total pain to fit compared to the other Carriers. Either drop the cpu reqs. on shield transporters in general or boost the Chimera CPU. Both will have the desired effect not taking into account how those changes will affect other ships and setups. Shield RR is pretty much the b.astard cousin of armour RR and needs to be looked at; fitting requirements are horrible and on paper it is inferior to armor based RR (although the fact it boosts at the beginning of the cycle lends itself nicely to small gang stuff).

Carniflex
StarHunt
Fallout Project
Posted - 2009.12.31 18:01:00 - [14]
 

It's tight but I do not see a problem. Can do 5x Shield RR, 2x Invul II and rest of the slots with cap recharge and can even run all those shield transfers with few 3% hardwires mixsed in. It's even better if you mix shield and cap transfers.

fuxinos
Caldari
Guys 0f Sarcasm
Posted - 2009.12.31 18:02:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: fuxinos on 31/12/2009 18:03:19
It wouldnt make the Chimera unbalanced to boost its CPU, everyone who is against it is a poser.

There just no point being against it.

All other Carriers all have 200-300 CPU left in standart fits, Chimera occasionaly runs into CPU probs, thats not realy fair.

lil j0n
Posted - 2009.12.31 18:21:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Lacolo Basema
As stated above, problem is with shield RR, not the Chimera. Make a petition for that.


This. Shield RR needs some serious tweaking across the board.

To make good use of a triage Chimera in the way that Rooks and Kings do with triage Archons, your BSes also need to be able to fit shield RR without completely gimping themselves.

Rastigan
Caldari
Ars ex Discordia
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2009.12.31 18:26:00 - [17]
 

When you are at it CCP fix the fact that the Chimera can eject Battleships that LOOK bigger than it.

Qui Shon
Posted - 2010.01.03 19:54:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Carniflex
It's tight but I do not see a problem. Can do 5x Shield RR, 2x Invul II and rest of the slots with cap recharge and can even run all those shield transfers with few 3% hardwires mixsed in. It's even better if you mix shield and cap transfers.


What kind of asinine post is this? I expected more from you, I really did.

...Don't see a problem...ever heard of fitting a shield booster on a carrier? Or triage? Or shield booster AND triage?

While all other carriers can fit both tank, rr and Triage utilizing all highslots, Chimera can not. That's the problem.

Kendon Riddick
Posted - 2010.01.03 20:43:00 - [19]
 

its more to do with the savage CPU shield RR takes, of all sizes.

a large shield RR takes averagly way more cpu fitting than a large armor RR does in grid.

the chimeras cpu and grid seems perfectly fine inline with the other carriers, the same way other ships (like BS) are well ballenced for the most part and since shield RR gangs are practicly non existant its pretty fair to say that the fitting reqs are too high.


Blood Ghost
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2010.01.03 21:03:00 - [20]
 

Iím somewhat confused about the couple of people stating not to fit a local booster on a chimera if itís RR... This is NOT like typical RR fits; carriers should always have a local tank.

Agree completely with most of whatís been said before though, the actually fitting requirements for the shield transporters should be tweaked Ė Iím thinking less CPU and maybe more powergrid? Or would more powergrid screw up other carriers besides the Chimera?

Lubomir Penev
Dark Nexxus
S I L E N T.
Posted - 2010.01.04 02:36:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Blood Ghost
Iím somewhat confused about the couple of people stating not to fit a local booster on a chimera if itís RR... This is NOT like typical RR fits; carriers should always have a local tank.



The OP is in R&K, who understood a few things you didn't and fit neither CAR nor CSB on their fleet carriers, but fit lots of cap recharge and lots of remote rep instead.

As an exercise, find how many CAR make it worth to drop the CAR of your typical armor tanked carrier to an EANM. Hint: not a lot, and becomes better the more RR you get.

Aphex188
Minmatar
No Trademark
Posted - 2010.01.04 03:40:00 - [22]
 

Reducing the CPU on CST seems the best solution as it also helps Thanatos/Nidhoggur pilots

Qui Shon
Posted - 2010.01.04 08:47:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Aphex188
Reducing the CPU on CST seems the best solution as it also helps Thanatos/Nidhoggur pilots


That would work, or reducing vpu need on the CSB, 300 tf is a bit much for that one. Or giving Chimera more fitting. But something should be done, to bring the chimera closer to the other carriers. Even when that is done it still won't equal an Archon by any means, but at least it won't be quite as inferior anymore.


Some people in this thread seem to think carriers are only used in huge fleet fights in great numbers (a la the "don't need CSB" rubbish). They should remember carriers are used in smaller gangs as well.

Shock Blade
Corporation546846101
Posted - 2010.01.04 10:39:00 - [24]
 

Edited by: Shock Blade on 04/01/2010 10:38:55
Originally by: Lubomir Penev

The OP is in R&K, who understood a few things you didn't and fit neither CAR nor CSB on their fleet carriers, but fit lots of cap recharge and lots of remote rep instead.


What? R&K always fit at least 1 local rep to their carriers

This is going slightly off topic though, boost the sheild transporters!

Edit: wrong charachter Sad

Lubomir Penev
Dark Nexxus
S I L E N T.
Posted - 2010.01.04 11:14:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Shock Blade

Originally by: Lubomir Penev

The OP is in R&K, who understood a few things you didn't and fit neither CAR nor CSB on their fleet carriers, but fit lots of cap recharge and lots of remote rep instead.


What? R&K always fit at least 1 local rep to their carriers

This is going slightly off topic though, boost the sheild transporters!

Edit: wrong charachter Sad


It looks like you haven't seen the best EVE movie of 2009 Very Happy

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1203630

Lord Zap
Caldari
Fairlight Corp
Rooks and Kings
Posted - 2010.01.04 14:36:00 - [26]
 

Edited by: Lord Zap on 04/01/2010 14:38:28
Originally by: Lubomir Penev
Originally by: Shock Blade

Originally by: Lubomir Penev

The OP is in R&K, who understood a few things you didn't and fit neither CAR nor CSB on their fleet carriers, but fit lots of cap recharge and lots of remote rep instead.


What? R&K always fit at least 1 local rep to their carriers

This is going slightly off topic though, boost the sheild transporters!

Edit: wrong charachter Sad


It looks like you haven't seen the best EVE movie of 2009 Very Happy

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1203630



You are both right and both wrong. RnK use triage carriers which always carry local rep but also make use of 'Pantheon' (which is basically RR battleship principles applied to carriers). This is besides the point though :)

I will just reiterate the foolishness of people who have suggested to fit triage carriers without local rep in this thread. A properly fit triage Chimera (which is a rare thing to behold) will always run into CPU (and cap) issues.

Aurora Serenity
Posted - 2010.01.04 14:39:00 - [27]
 

Really??
Why do people keep eating chipotle when you know you will crap blood...???


 

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