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Spurty
Caldari
V0LTA
VOLTA Corp
Posted - 2009.12.30 12:51:00 - [31]
 

Bad luck there mate.

You have become the sort of cretin with terrible karma that steps in doggy poo, spots the mistake, takes a step to go wipe it off and steps in horsey poo.

To the CEO that 'cared' enough to get you a plex, I doubt it's much swet off his nose the ISK but the burn will mold him into a better person.

Best part about your story is no kids were hurt during your epic battle of conscience

Ricelord
Posted - 2009.12.30 13:05:00 - [32]
 

Gimme the name of the guy, he might fall for more scams.

Alt0101
Posted - 2009.12.30 13:30:00 - [33]
 

Edited by: Alt0101 on 30/12/2009 13:30:29
I say f**k him. You know you want to.

EVE is a game, yes, but the way you play it is a close mirror of your RL personality.

Many people would like to kill, stealth, back stab, scamm and many other criminal activities to make a life or, simply, just for boost their ego, but, In RL, we have laws and you would go to Jail, and that stop them from do it.

So, there we have EVE. A game where you can give freedom to your more dark and obscene RL feelings without any consequences.

So, get as much as you can from him, try to keep lying and tell him you don't have even food or you are gonna lose your house and be on the streets. he may even give you real money to your RL bank account!
Then, once you get use to back stab your frinds, you can start with your relatives.

After that, you would have proven yourself if you really have a criminal mind.

As least, is a good self-psychoanalysis experiment.



Minchurra
Caldari
Posted - 2009.12.30 13:34:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Alt0101
I say f**k him. You know you want to.

EVE is a game, yes, but the way you play it is a close mirror of your RL personality.

Many people would lie to kill, stealth, back stab, scamm and many other criminal activities to make a life or, simply, just for boost their ego, but, In RL, we have laws and you would go to Jail, and that stop them from do it.

So, there we have EVE. A game where you can give freedom to your more dark and obscene RL feelings without any consequences.

So, get as much as you can from him, try to keep lying and tell him you don't have even food or you are gonna lose your house and be on the streets. he may even give you real money to your RL bank account!
Then, once you get use to back stab your frinds, you can start with your relatives.

After that, you would have proven yourself if you really have a criminal mind.

As least, is a good self-psychoanalysis experiment.





I like the cut of your gib sir.

In any case, just take it. Why not? Treat it like a christmas present.

000Hunter000
Gallente
Missiles 'R' Us
Posted - 2009.12.30 13:51:00 - [35]
 

Welcome to Paranoid-Online!!! Laughing

Isurus Paucus
Posted - 2009.12.30 13:57:00 - [36]
 

Edited by: Isurus Paucus on 30/12/2009 13:57:56
The problem with corp scamming (which is what this is rather than merely stealing from your corp on the way out) is that it requires you to brand a bunch of things as fake that aren't necessarily so. The items are fake, the isk is fake, but the relationships are not, nor is the time and effort put into earning that fake stuff.

In this particular case, you're not just stealing from some crappy corp that barely holds things together and is full of idiots. You're stealing from someone who has taken a real interest in YOU and has invested in that interest. It's not just corp theft, it's personal betrayal.

Hythloday
Posted - 2009.12.30 14:20:00 - [37]
 

Edited by: Hythloday on 30/12/2009 14:25:19
Its a psychological thing. In RL, people will generally take things from work, small things like office supplies. They often won't think twice about taking those things, but they would be reluctant to just take their equivalent value in cash, even if its a few pennies.

The 'its only a game' excuse which you use to silence your conscience after stealing enough ingame assets and ISK to buy many PLEXes on the ingame market, can easily be stretched to stealing an actual PLEX without any trouble whatsoever. But the fact is that a PLEX is considered to be more equatable to real money, and as a consequence you are less willing to just take it. If anything I think this might help illustrate what a flimsy excuse 'its just a game' is for lying to gain and then betray someone's trust so that you can steal everything that they (and their corpies) have put together.

Now, I'm not against PvP or conquest, I see those as the ultimate form of competition, and competition is pretty much the whole point of the game being online. Even scammers I would be more ready to respect than corp thieves, because they will often prey on and profit from the victim's own greed. But corp thieves prey on the trust and altruism of others, and I'm afraid I can't respect that.

Of course it would help if Eve's corp asset management systems didn't rely entirely on trust, with no failsafes whatsoever.

Mrs Thaiberian
Posted - 2009.12.30 14:55:00 - [38]
 

Trust and altruism are human virtues that makes us different from animals.

This statement works either in RL and in a virtual world (games)

In EVE, items and Isk are nothing but 0's and 1's in a database server, BUT the trust, camaraderie and time that the real person behind the toon has invested in you is real.

Now, if you wnat to F*** this up just to get some virtual profit, go ahead but, for me, you would have lost all your human values and become nothing more but a hyena and deserve to be treated as such.


Miiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiau
Posted - 2009.12.30 15:26:00 - [39]
 

Edited by: Miiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiau on 30/12/2009 15:26:51
If you ask your question, because you worry that it would be stealing, then i would say take it.
Eve is a game after all and stealing is fair game.
If you ask, because you actually like the guy and don't want to make him miserable, then the question is, if he is someone, who can't really tell the difference between game and real life.
In this thread for example you can find more than a few people, who obviously have some problems with that.
If you think he is that kind of persone, then you should give it back.
If you think, that he will just curse himself, because he was so stupid to fall for a scammer and move on... Well take it then.

Seriously, i dont want to play Risk or Monopoly with some people here.

Morkalum Takor
Minmatar
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.12.30 15:34:00 - [40]
 

Heh. This is where you get a chance to be what you really want to be...what you have always intended to be and now you are having second thoughts? Of the many stories of corp scamming/theft and or outright betrayals that EVE has presented to us, they too have shown this elaborate and complex in-game/RL relations with different groups/corps/alliance and then all of sudden get all discom"bob"ulated and things get quite ugly between the closest of friends.

You know what you are already going to do, so you should do it, what you've always intended to do. You do know that with sincerity, right?

My play style is much different. For instance, I just recently returned to EVE and noticed I had an old evemail where an old corp friend was asking for his Mastodon back that I had borrowed just before I had to stop playing. I could have ignored the evemail and just made the excuse that I had lost the mail if he ever popped back up and made inquiry or told him the ship blew up, or whatever excuse that sounded good at the time. The mastodon was cheaper when I was still playing, I could have made a decent profitable sale at this time.

I did not do that, though. I've been playing the way I have always intended and I did what I felt had to be done and made contact with guy and sent the ship back to him through contract.

So are you playing the way you have always intended? Is this what you want? Are you thinking too much about a person you only know through a digital game or is this technological/social environment really throwing you for a loop? You know what you want to do and intend to do. You should do whatever that is.



Khemul Zula
Amarr
Keisen Trade League
Posted - 2009.12.30 15:44:00 - [41]
 

Why does everyone keep figuring that accepting the PLEX is stealing money?

They are sold on the market. Sure a PLEX is created using money, but a good portion of those are then put up on the market for ISK. As a result there is no reason to assume that any PLEX automatically equals real-life money.


As for the OP. #1 rule of running a con on someone, do not get personal. It causes the silly voices to start complaining. Which just proves that the conscience is a lazy bastard, because if it had been paying attention it would have said something days ago.

Henry Haphorn
Gallente
Posted - 2009.12.30 15:46:00 - [42]
 

This thread is perfect for a class on psychology and ethics.Very Happy

Zervun
Amarr
hirr
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2009.12.30 15:52:00 - [43]
 

Oh, you’re a sorry excuse for a person. I love the way to try to rationalize your thievery. Yes Eve is a game and its all digital pixels but your stealing peoples time and effort. Your obviously someone who cannot be trusted both in game and out of game. Enjoy your ill gotten gains, it sounds like your Eve life and possibly your RL will be transient and full of disappointment.

Dannerkongen
Posted - 2009.12.30 16:24:00 - [44]
 

ive spend more time in jail for theft than i have playing eve still!

Skoot
Local Threat
Posted - 2009.12.30 17:01:00 - [45]
 



You were stupid for not trying to get the plex when the opportunity presented itself the night before when you were speaking.

You would be stupid for not taking the plex.

Fail thief for even asking that question.



Mrs Thaiberian
Posted - 2009.12.30 17:10:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Dannerkongen
ive spend more time in jail for theft than i have playing eve still!


would be awesome if they allow you to play EVE while in jail.

so, you would have got plenty of "free" time to improve your criminal career in a virtual way.Laughing

Jane Fatale
Posted - 2009.12.30 17:25:00 - [47]
 

You've already lost some points by asking what you should do in this situation. I'm disappointed in you. BUT, you can still walk away with a 7/10 - maybe 8/10 if we get ***** tears.

Obviously you take the plex - and of course, be sure to thank him for his kindness and generosity. Once you are out of the corp you are free to explain to him exactly what just happened, tell him you wish him the very the best in his future eve ventures, and go buy yourself some new toys.

Boink'urr
Minmatar
Wasserette De Tarthorst
Posted - 2009.12.30 17:32:00 - [48]
 

Edited by: Boink''urr on 30/12/2009 17:33:41
Posting in a roleplaying gansta rapper thread. Nerdland... that way guys Arrow

o totally forgot keepitrealyo Shocked

Akorin
Minmatar
Posted - 2009.12.30 17:38:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: Khemul Zula
Why does everyone keep figuring that accepting the PLEX is stealing money?


Because it is, and frankly so is stealing ISK. The second CCP legitimized real cash to game cash transfer, ISK officially stopped being just play money. It doesn't matter that you can't change it back. A Disney dollar is still a dollar, at least as long as people keep visiting Disney World.

Now I'm not saying corp theft isn't a legitimate way to make money in game, but don't pretend like ISK has no value.

Pesky LaRue
Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels
Etherium Cartel
Posted - 2009.12.30 18:24:00 - [50]
 

reject the plex contract and move on. as you say, ingame corp theft is a legitimate mechanic and if you want to RP it away, do it - but the CEO has been a nice guy and tried to help you, and you're being a tool.


Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari
Guiding Hand Social Club
Posted - 2009.12.30 18:46:00 - [51]
 

Whichever of the two choices you make, I can tell you this:

You will regret neither.

Isurus Paucus
Posted - 2009.12.30 18:51:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Miiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiau
Edited by: Miiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiau on 30/12/2009 15:26:51
If you ask, because you actually like the guy and don't want to make him miserable, then the question is, if he is someone, who can't really tell the difference between game and real life.
In this thread for example you can find more than a few people, who obviously have some problems with that...Seriously, i dont want to play Risk or Monopoly with some people here.
Not quite true. The 'social contract' in a game like this is quite different from something like risk or monopoly. You can't really compare them as Eve technically has no expectation that only one player will "win." The ethical expectations of a board game are completely different from something that is long-term and teamwork heavy.

I am probably one of the nastiest bastards you can play with when it comes to things like Settlers, Risk, or similar. I am, after all, out to win. I will not, however, actively scam people who have a reasonable expectation of trust in me, such as my corp mates. Such actions are not in keeping with the game's specified objectives (I can't 'win') and it requires me to break real trust that wasn't expected to be broken at some point before a certain point near the game's end.

Santiago Fahahrri
Gallente
Galactic Geographic
Posted - 2009.12.30 19:00:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: Lude Behaver
I have come to the path I am on simply because I realized early on that I was either going to complain about being the victim or become the predator.


This self-delusional justification was the first step.

You can not be a victim without being a predator. The saddest part of this is you don't seem to have seen that option.

Don't use the approval or disapproval of forum posters as your next justification. You are responsible for what you do.


Ranger 1
Amarr
Ranger Corp
Posted - 2009.12.30 19:02:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: Furb Killer
Edited by: Furb Killer on 30/12/2009 11:16:06
Quote:
Corp theft absolutely has a place in EVE, and the game would be diminished without it being a possibility.

Would be true if there would be any consequences to it, but it is just done on alts only, removing any form of consequence or risk. It is a harsh world, except for the corp thieves who just get new alt.


Quote:
You found a decent, caring person with a lot of good qualities in Eve. Do you really want to prove that you are a jerk?

This.


A point well made Furb, however I look at it from the point of view that corp theft helps to keep the game "edgy" and adds to the excitement and challenge of the game... not from the point of view as to how balanced it is with risk to the thief (you are perfectly right, there should be more risk to the thief).

Before someone jumps to the end of the thread and reads this aside out of context, my main point is that everyone has to establish their own definition of what is in game behavior and what is out of game behavior. I view this as sticking a toe over the edge into out of game behavior, which the OP makes a clear distinction as being diametrically opposed to his in game behavior.

Some people with the appropriate skills view it as perfectly acceptable to damage someone's home computer/software for the purpose of zapping them in game, with no regard for the financial difficulties that may inflict on the person and their families. They justify this behavior as a clever way to defeat their opponent, and justify it with "it doesn't matter, it's only a game". Well, that rational has limits.

Everyone (at least everyone that considers themselves a decent person in real life) has to decide where they draw the line between in game and out of game behavior. This case, while obviously not as extreme as the example above, does seem to me to be right on the edge of that line. For me it would just a hair over that line, but the OP will have to make a personal decision as to where he draws his own line.


Cosmo Kramma
Posted - 2009.12.30 19:09:00 - [55]
 

Hey, I'm new to this game, and I say if this guy couldn't see that you're taking him for a ride after those ships, go for it man, that's what Eve is all about! Don't ***** up now!Twisted Evil

Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
Posted - 2009.12.30 19:20:00 - [56]
 

You play EVE for stuff, EVEs real strength is community, you fail at EVE.

Jin Nib
Resplendent Knives
Posted - 2009.12.30 19:26:00 - [57]
 

So you basically think you're asking if you should be an ******* or not. Well guess what, you are one already, you're just not sure if you should take it to heart or live in denial.

Or you could stop being an *******, but I understand that it's pretty unlikely to change ones basic nature.

Cheers,

Lude Behaver
Posted - 2009.12.31 07:37:00 - [58]
 

Thank you all for your comments. I have decided to keep the is isk i made from the ships and reject the Plex contract. I will continue my corp thefts and will revamp stricter guidelines to personal relationships in game.
Regardless of the debate on plex being RL money or not. The fact is, this guy offered me a plex out of kindness. I wont take the plex because that, for me, does cross the line.
My mission was to steal the ships and thats what I did. I will leave his corp and send an email thanking him for his kindness and wish him the best of luck.

Surxkas
Posted - 2009.12.31 07:45:00 - [59]
 

Originally by: Lude Behaver
Thank you all for your comments. I have decided to keep the is isk i made from the ships and reject the Plex contract. I will continue my corp thefts and will revamp stricter guidelines to personal relationships in game.
Regardless of the debate on plex being RL money or not. The fact is, this guy offered me a plex out of kindness. I wont take the plex because that, for me, does cross the line.
My mission was to steal the ships and thats what I did. I will leave his corp and send an email thanking him for his kindness and wish him the best of luck.



Your not that bad after all.

Aaron
Eternal Frontier
Enemy-Fleet
Posted - 2009.12.31 08:20:00 - [60]
 

Put back the ships, Put back the Plex, you dont meet people like this very often, you'll come to see that his friendship is more valuble than the ships and the plex.


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