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Tredis Var
Posted - 2009.12.28 13:51:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Tredis Var on 28/12/2009 14:10:45
Slavery is part of the fiction, but no player accounts are forced into slavery. I would consider working without pay to be a form of slavery. So the only slavery I have experienced is when my items are stolen by pirates. The only real slavery in EVE is that committed by players. The fiction is irrelevant. The way players interact with each other is what is real. Players of all races commit acts of piracy so pretending to hold the moral high ground by denouncing slavery to justify piracy against Amarrians is an invalid arguement.

Davin Forsosa
Caldari
Posted - 2009.12.28 14:12:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Davin Forsosa on 28/12/2009 14:12:50
Disregard, posted before I saw your edit.

Halunoto Vankaalen
Caldari
State Protectorate
Posted - 2009.12.28 16:39:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Tredis Var
The fiction is irrelevant.


That depends entirely on the game you play. The players who denounce the Amarr Empire on the basis of its societal endorsed slavery buy the fiction, as do the Amarrians who seek to enslave the Minmatar to continue the reclaiming. The pirates who steal your items do so either because internet piracy is fun, or because their characters are crooked hedonists who derive pleasure out of taking whatever they want by force.

It comes down to playing internet spaceships, or guiding your toon through a dynamic universe that supposedly exists 20,000 years in the future amongst all the culture that exists within it, and the flaws and opportunities that such a universe offers.

This is game, as others might like to put it and your fellow players will justify their actions with little regard to what you consider valid or invalid.


Aloriana Jacques
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
Posted - 2009.12.28 20:22:00 - [4]
 

Fiction is relevant because that's what dictates what is actually in the story of the game you play. It shapes things in ways players can't.

Also;
Elite Slaves
Slavers
Freedom Fighters
These things exist in game. They're there as an extension of the fiction.

Whether you choose to actually do anything with the fiction and lore is up to you. But you cannot deny it's existence and impact upon the game.

Rex Luciferi
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2009.12.29 22:42:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Tredis Var

the only slavery I have experienced is when my items are stolen by pirates. The only real slavery in EVE is that committed by players. The fiction is irrelevant. The way players interact with each other is what is real. Players of all races commit acts of piracy so pretending to hold the moral high ground by denouncing slavery to justify piracy against Amarrians is an invalid arguement.


Losing your **** to pirates isn't slavery, its piracy. And yes, commiting slevery is arguably much worse than commiting piracy, IE, you're only stealing their material goods, not their freedom.

Or, to echo certain strains of Anarchist thought, property IS slavery, thus, pirates are freeing you from the chains of your material goods Wink

Kyra Felann
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2009.12.30 00:10:00 - [6]
 

Wha?

Players aren't enslaved because they're capsuleers, the elite of humankind. However, we're a tiny, tiny minority compared to the rest of humanity.

Do you really think the entire EVE galaxy only contains a few hundred thousand people (ie: just the players), or what?

Your post boggles my mind. If you don't care about fiction, surely you wouldn't mind if the ships were just different colors of geometric shapes? After all, pretending to fly a spaceship in an virtual world is for sissy role-players, amirite?Rolling Eyes

Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari
Guiding Hand Social Club
Posted - 2009.12.30 19:11:00 - [7]
 

By convincing a slave that he is a master, it is quite possible to enslave others in Eve.

Anmaris Voeld
Posted - 2010.01.02 00:20:00 - [8]
 

The fiction and pseudo-historical context is a key aspect of gameplay. I know players who've taken on the persona of loyal fighting Matari slaves of Amarrian masters, of escaped slaves taking revenge on their former masters, and of Amarrian heirs who seek, through roleplay, to enslave other players. All are acceptable permutations.

Moreover, piracy itself is an acceptable RP persona.. whatever the motives of the pirates.

EVE's attractive not just because its an interactive and multi-player version of Doom or Quake - where you have nice toys with which to blow each other way, but because its a persistent, fictional universe.. one that's a lot darker than the one most of us live in RL. Part of that are the islands of civilization (if those can be called civilized at all) surrounded by much vaster territories of chaos or, at best, transient order. Slaves and pirates are very much part of this universe.

Scout Ops
Red Federation
Posted - 2010.01.12 23:55:00 - [9]
 

but now seriously... only about 1% of players do roleplay

and im being generous.

would be nice there were more roleplayers but things won't change.

Deviana Sevidon
Gallente
Panta-Rhei
Butterfly Effect Alliance
Posted - 2010.01.13 00:22:00 - [10]
 

The Beauty of EVE is, that all are Roleplayers.Razz

Some of the Players/Pilots are bit more into the Games lore then others. Even your worst kind of Corporation/Alliance full of chest beating kiddies are playing the role of a deranged capsuleer that fits right into the EVE background.

Izanami Rei
Caldari
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
Posted - 2010.01.14 21:59:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Deviana Sevidon
The Beauty of EVE is, that all are Roleplayers.Razz

Some of the Players/Pilots are bit more into the Games lore then others. Even your worst kind of Corporation/Alliance full of chest beating kiddies are playing the role of a deranged capsuleer that fits right into the EVE background.


I like you ^.^


 

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