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Raimo
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2009.12.25 18:12:00 - [31]
 

Edited by: Raimo on 25/12/2009 18:13:57

Originally by: Inertial

3. You basically have 3 kinds of PVP careers.

A: Low-sec piracy, you become a outlaw, can't enter high-sec without getting shot if they catch you.
You can regain your security status, but its boring as hell (took me around 20 days, because I wasn't motivated).

B: High-sec "griefer", you can flip, war dec and other try to bait people into fighting you. In wardecs most of the fighting is at station, and you won't get as many kills as a pirate (since not everything in your system is a target), but you can still do decent.

C: 0.0 PVP, Fleet fights, roams, camps and also wormholes. I would actually recommend this, because this is how I learned to play. Its more dangerous than both of the above because of the chance to loose implants, but I liked 0.0. It can also be horrible if you are in the wrong alliance/corp.




Split 0.0 PVP in to at least 2 parts, part of a larger alliance and not a part of such alliance. I loathe the large alliance/ large gang style that is "0.0" to many but I love the solo/ small gang action. Also you can do the latter (0.0 raiding/ guerilla PVP, usually based out of empire or NPC 0.0) in addition to any other pvp you do...

Also, add FW PVP, it *is* a career (at least these days), you get a mixture of sentryless lowsec action and interesting NPC gimped hisec raiding, it can be good fun though the "FW cycle" means that at times it can be dead or one-sided and the "politics" and smack involved are some of the stupidest in game...

ROXGenghis
Perkone
Posted - 2009.12.28 16:42:00 - [32]
 

Another vote for RvB here. Reason being you can get more fights more quickly than in any other form of PvP, and it's very inexpensive. Practice makes perfect.

I'd also recommend taking Agony's PVP courses. They will teach you all the basics and take you on 0.0 roams. After you've taken a class with them, you can tag along as an alumnus on any future roams.

After you've done these things for a month or more and feel ready to move on, you'll be a worthwhile commodity to any lowsec or 0.0 PvP corp. They will look very good on your resume.

TL; DR: Do a combination of Agony for the teaching part and RvB for the practice part.

Agony PVP signups

RvB info and links

Bfoster
Appetite 4 Destruction
Posted - 2009.12.28 22:35:00 - [33]
 

There is some good advice here. Starting with Jolo's advice about the frigs. I would defiantly start with a cheap frig and work my way up, when you loose a cheap ship, it doesn't hurt morale as bad as loosing a expensive ship. And good fights can be had in both high and low sec with a t1 frig.

I have been a pirate most of my eve life and I have done high sec wars. Before you go into low sec you need to be 100% sure you want that life, it is tough. You need some type of logistics alt or a corp that has that, because you will soon not be able to enter high sec space. So getting new ships and supplies will be tough.

Personally I would not even consider 0.0 until you get some experience under your belt!

I would throw out some 1v1 frig cans in dodixie or some other market hub at first, that way you will be able to pick your fights. If a comparable ship takes your can, its a better chance for a good fight.
Good Luck and have fun!Smile

V0latar
Posted - 2009.12.29 04:14:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Bfoster
There is some good advice here. Starting with Jolo's advice about the frigs. I would defiantly start with a cheap frig and work my way up, when you loose a cheap ship, it doesn't hurt morale as bad as loosing a expensive ship. And good fights can be had in both high and low sec with a t1 frig.

I have been a pirate most of my eve life and I have done high sec wars. Before you go into low sec you need to be 100% sure you want that life, it is tough. You need some type of logistics alt or a corp that has that, because you will soon not be able to enter high sec space. So getting new ships and supplies will be tough.

Personally I would not even consider 0.0 until you get some experience under your belt!

I would throw out some 1v1 frig cans in dodixie or some other market hub at first, that way you will be able to pick your fights. If a comparable ship takes your can, its a better chance for a good fight.
Good Luck and have fun!Smile



Thanks for the input. I was thinking i should do that. I am hesitant of joining red versus blue, as i will not be able to fly missions when i want to, in high sec. and i think they will be flying in gangs also, and i want to practice mostly solo pvp first. Making having a jump clone in null and high sec, a good option. The hard road is often the best learning experience..... or doing the high sec piracy you described. However, will that result in standing loss if they stole from my can and i kill them? Also, i would be killing noobs, this doesnt sound that challenging really. I think it is better to loose ships in pvp to pro's in null sec learning a great deal, than killing some noobs in high sec space.

Also i was thinking i can use frigates, but i saw that most good pvp'ers have around a 55/45 win/loss ration with frigs while this ratio seems more favourable in cruisers, making it possibly more expensive to do my first pvp in frigs as the modules i use will be worth almost the same on a frig or a cruiser. So i was wondering if it is not more profitable to attempt solo cruiser pvp first with an ANTI-FRIG set ups, choosing targets carefully and overpowering them. Seems that solo frig pvp 1vs1 is actually much more difficult? Correct me if i am wrong!

Sillas Cov
Red Federation
Posted - 2009.12.29 04:14:00 - [35]
 

Edited by: Sillas Cov on 29/12/2009 04:15:04
If you Want to ease into pvp then The Red Vs Blue corp is the place for you. I had 5 fights today in T1 smaller ships....

Very fun and very accessible.

Find the channel: R-V-B for info

or search on message board

We have lots of fun pvp via perma dec between corps...

Marz Ghola
Minmatar
Royal Order of Security Specialists
Posted - 2009.12.29 12:22:00 - [36]
 

To add to what LP mentioned a bit earlier:

Regardless of which path you take, I learned very quickly that I had to run my money makers completely seperate from my pvp toons as a viable logistical pipeline to keep my pvp program fed. It is a simple (sometimes trivial) matter to deduce a targets logistics program and then plan to disrupt it.

In prolonged, nasty conflicts of attrition you have to support your corpies. If you get sidelined because "i ran out of isk", then you are no help to your corp. and the enemy has a defacto win against you.

I don't even have trade/transaction/contract ties between any of my toons. I run my chars like independent terrorist cells. I use trash alts for transactions between toons.

In eve you just have no clue what kind of people you might run into. Read some of the stories around here of how a good corp. experience goes bad and how you can get robbed blind and shafted by people you e-trusted. This includes comedy corp. theft spais and other loafers who simply don't have anything better to do.

Best advice I got from a good pvp guy at a former corp. is to trust people in eve as far as you can throw them.Laughing

Most corps these days want to see your api and that is another reason to keep yourself as self-sufficient as possible.

You have to have options in this game to allow nobody to dictate your style of play.

Find a good place (corp), give them loyalty and what other help you are able. Take nothing in return (if possible) other than strong comrades in a fight. Anything you give, write it off.

In faction wars, I don't ask for loot in fights and I don't ever take any in a gang. Faction wars is full of gypsies who scramble to take anything they can. I simply write-off every loss I have. After a while I even stopped asking for my loot back as it did not seem to helpLaughing

Avoid drama garbage, but some banter in local is sometimes fun though.

Man I sound paranoid, its this game I tell you!





Kiri Serrensun
Posted - 2009.12.30 00:36:00 - [37]
 

Edited by: Kiri Serrensun on 30/12/2009 00:37:28
Originally by: Wacktopia
You should perhaps take a look at Red vs Blue to train yourself up. Having a bag of ISK + no experience = an empty bag of ISK + emoragequit.


So seconding this. I spent several months in a 0.0 alliance with one character, and I had more actual PVP (as opposed to skill-free blobs and getting ganked) in the first week of RVB than in all that time. Maybe not the best choice if you want to master all aspects of PVP (they discourage stuff such as podding and ECM), but everything they do is towards the end of having fun.

Strongbow Snow
Posted - 2009.12.30 11:16:00 - [38]
 

Edited by: Strongbow Snow on 30/12/2009 11:24:00

Read what LP McDuffs posted and adhere to it.

A high-sec war-deccing corp is more personable and, by flying with the same guys and listening to them, will bring you along a little faster, but the amounts of immediate targets in factional warfare is a good thing, too, for training purposes.

Blue vs. Red is always an option, too.

With Factional and BvR warfare you can easily hone your skills in a T1 frigate, then a T1 cruiser, without worrying about losing expensive fits.

I've been in the game since 2004, and I just returned to 0.0 with a toon, and I've got to tell ya - stay the hell away from it for learning pvp. It will bore the hell out of you in numerous ways, and the cost of the ships that you need to be effective is not worth the ISK cost you will incur as you get to learn pvp.

I have met a number of 0.0 guys who thought they were "effective pvp'ers" fail, and leave, high-sec warring (in a really good war deccing corp). But I have never met a guy who thought he was an effective high-sec pvp'er who failed at 0.0 pvp and gave up on it due to losing ships.


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