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lech lizdian
Posted - 2009.12.20 19:48:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: lech lizdian on 20/12/2009 21:57:52
First off both these ships are the wrost recons ever!
just look at thier price in any region the are the cheepest!
With good reason too...

so here is my fix to bring these two ships inline with thier caldari and ammar counterparts...

First off get rid of the missle bonus on both ships...

on the LAchesis replace it with a %5 to cap when using MWD per lev... and change the highslot layout to 5 turrets and 2 missles with 5 high slots in total...

second is the hugnin...
remove the missle bonus and give it a second bonus to make its webbers good again...
yes that means giving it a 10% per lev to effectivness of webbers!!!!
and change the highlot layout to 4 guns and 2 missles with 6 high slots in total!!!\
If this is done then these two worthless ships might become popular again and be inline with thier counterparts!!!

Lady Spank
Amarr
In Praise Of Shadows
Posted - 2009.12.20 19:56:00 - [2]
 

1. Lol
2. Wrong forum

lech lizdian
Posted - 2009.12.20 20:32:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Lady Spank
1. Lol
2. Wrong forum



ah shoot wrong forum... which one should it have been in?

and and why lol? do you not think the ships are crapola right now? or is it my fix ideas?
I had a hard time thinking what could make the lechasis better and came with the mwd idea since the ship is kinda hurting for cap as it is running a mwd scram and sensor damps with guns...
or do you just fly a curse or rook and dont want the other two ships being as good as them?

Taedrin
Gallente
Kushan Industrial
Posted - 2009.12.20 20:55:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: lech lizdian
Originally by: Lady Spank
1. Lol
2. Wrong forum



ah shoot wrong forum... which one should it have been in?

and and why lol? do you not think the ships are crapola right now? or is it my fix ideas?
I had a hard time thinking what could make the lechasis better and came with the mwd idea since the ship is kinda hurting for cap as it is running a mwd scram and sensor damps with guns...
or do you just fly a curse or rook and dont want the other two ships being as good as them?


Correct forum would be the ships and modules topic, or perhaps the features and ideas forum.

TBH, Huginn could definitely use an extra EWAR bonus instead of a split weapon bonus. I would personally say to give it a boost to webifier velocity factor, like the daredevil. This would essentially give the Huginn pre-nerf webifiers at all level V in exchange for some DPS. IMO, this would not be too overpowered, as the Huginn is essentially a dedicated webifying ship.

Lachesis could replace it's split weapon bonus with a bonus to warp scram range - making it ideal for shutting down MWD's from a distance.

TBH, I feel that the difference between a force recon and a combat recon should be that the combat recon has stronger ewar capabilities than the force recon paired with a stronger tank.

Atreus Tac
Blood Covenant
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.12.20 21:38:00 - [5]
 

Both arazu and LACHESIS suffer due to damps being sucky.

HUGINN may suffer from being a bit slow for a matar ship but its two focuses (Webbing and painting) its good at.

While im not the greatest poster in the world, boy yours sucks.

If you want people to respond rather than troll or just taking the **** then learn to poast

lech lizdian
Posted - 2009.12.20 21:48:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Taedrin
Lachesis could replace it's split weapon bonus with a bonus to warp scram range - making it ideal for shutting down MWD's from a distance.



with heat on the scram right now goes to 21km (which is pretty good)
the disruptor goes 57km (which is also good)

i don think the ship needs more range for its ewar...
I still think the mwd bonus would be better like on the thorax...
plus by giving it 5 guns on the high slots it increases its dps but so its not overpowered the ship would only beable to fit 200's rails(250's with a rcu II)

lech lizdian
Posted - 2009.12.20 21:55:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: lech lizdian on 20/12/2009 21:56:41
Originally by: Atreus Tac
Both arazu and LACHESIS suffer due to damps being sucky.

HUGINN may suffer from being a bit slow for a matar ship but its two focuses (Webbing and painting) its good at.

While im not the greatest poster in the world, boy yours sucks.

If you want people to respond rather than troll or just taking the **** then learn to poast


thank you sir for your responce... it is truthfull and yet encouraging...
what good man would you suggest to fix these broken ships?

perhaps the arazu and LACHESISEmbarassed could get a role ability that negates the stacking penalty(on damps) and still change the split weapon(missle bonus) to something better... (if not the mwd bonus then suggest something better)

Iguanoid
Caldari
No.Mercy
Merciless.
Posted - 2009.12.20 22:02:00 - [8]
 

Lachesis needs no help to be honest, there are very nice fits for these ships without using too much of a brain. In fact i have more kills in a lachesis than any other ship currently. Worst recon ever, no. Worst pilot ever, possibly....

CCP Ildoge

Posted - 2009.12.21 09:30:00 - [9]
 

* Moved from general discussion.- CCP Ildoge

Bellum Eternus
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2009.12.21 10:19:00 - [10]
 

Only an idiot would suggest removing missiles from the Lach and Huginn. Make them missile only, not the other way around.

Orlenda
Project Adonis
Veneratio Venator Alliance
Posted - 2009.12.21 11:35:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Bellum Eternus
Only an idiot would suggest removing missiles from the Lach and Huginn. Make them missile only, not the other way around.


Um... What?! You clearly don't fly minmatar... Rolling Eyes

I agree with the OP with regards to the Huginn (I dont fly gallente recons, so don't have a valid experience with them).

The Huginn definately lacks in the role it is supposed to play as a FORCE recon. Losing the ability to effectivly cloak is supposed to be compensated by an improved DPS and tank; however this compensation seems to be very lacking in the Huginn.
If it were up to me I would;
remove the missiles bonus and launcher hardpoints
replace the missile bonus with a turret range? bonus or something more role specific
reduce the total high-slots to 4
increase turret hardpoints to 4
increase low slots to 4
possible PG tweak to support a rack arty's

Effectivly this will make the ship artillary dependent which compliments its' EWar capabilities. It will suffer a DPS loss but gain in alpha with the new projectile's. The added low slot will give the ship the option to be lightly armor tanked or increased damage.

Lubomir Penev
Dark Nexxus
S I L E N T.
Posted - 2009.12.21 17:00:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Orlenda
Originally by: Bellum Eternus
Only an idiot would suggest removing missiles from the Lach and Huginn. Make them missile only, not the other way around.


Um... What?! You clearly don't fly minmatar... Rolling Eyes



At the range you want to fly them, at the speed you want to fly them, heavy missiles are clearly the weapon of choice yes (if you use them in their "proper" tackling/ewar role, I'm aware you can do a nice shield gank blaster boat of the Lachesis).


 

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