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Kythren
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2009.12.17 21:36:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Kythren on 26/12/2009 20:58:03
You may have heard about e.g. the JC- BND- EL8- battles in the North lately.
It appears that our usual definition of "lag" has grown to something like not being able to do anything for up to 90 minutes.

Essentially what happened in the past "big" dominion fleet battles was:

Force A, was on grid of the incoming gate with roughly 300(sometimes even 100 suffice)people waiting for their enemy (Force B) to jump through.
What happens next is that Force B foolishly (pun intended) jumped into Force A.
While most of you would think that the whole system will start to lag and the grid won't load for either side, you are wrong.
What happens is that Force A is able to happily shoot and kill Force B, while the latter is rendered helpless, without a grid or the possibility to react.

While this clearly justifies calling it a bug, at least some, if not all, eve-online GMs call this a feature that results from the increased amount of players participating in large fleet battles. I, for one, have had a long but useless discussion with GM Gruber about this "issue".
While he continually repeated almost the same sentences over and over again, I was trying to explain to him why this indeed should be called a bug.
He was not cooperative. My bug report is still open, but it seems that CCP is not going to allocate more nodes/servers for 0.0 space or publicly address that they are working on a resolution for this issue.

Please CSM, address this issue in an emergency meeting, since this will affect all current 0.0 warfare and politics severely. We cannot wait 24 hours for a node to be reinforced, this is simply impossible if trying to defend your territory. This is an utmost urgent issue, we as customers are not able to address this in any matter on our own. I have tried diplomatically, but all I got in response was "there is no verifiable bug like this", while others may received slightly different answers. We were not able to proceed with our request any further and thus the assistance of the CSM is of utmost importance now.

Kind regards,
Kythren

appendix:

Today we had about 400 atlas+friends in y8r- taking down a WI station+ihub. We jumped in with 800 people(in groups of 300) on a 100AU spot. After 20 minutes SOLAR bombers found our bridge-in spot and bombed us, at that time we didn't even load grid.

Relentless Phantsm
Black Serpent Technologies
R.A.G.E
Posted - 2009.12.17 21:45:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Relentless Phantsm on 17/12/2009 21:51:00
/support

Vietac
Democracy of Klingon Brothers

Posted - 2009.12.17 21:51:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Vietac on 17/12/2009 21:51:46
/support

Colmax
Havoc Violence and Chaos
Posted - 2009.12.17 21:51:00 - [4]
 

Totally agree with the OP. Large fleet battles are impossible now.

britishfish
Minmatar
The first genesis
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2009.12.17 21:53:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: britishfish on 17/12/2009 21:56:53
/support

Kalumpa
Posted - 2009.12.17 21:53:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Kalumpa on 17/12/2009 21:55:02
/support

Wonator
2nd Blood Raven Assault Squad

Posted - 2009.12.17 21:54:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Wonator on 17/12/2009 22:03:51
/support

Braxton Mazimus
Test Friends Please Ignore
Posted - 2009.12.17 21:55:00 - [8]
 

/supported... I will stop playing the game soon if this isnt fixed... its not worth me shelling out 15 bucks a month to play like I'm in empire... I'm in 0.0 for a reason...

DocFloyd
Posted - 2009.12.17 21:56:00 - [9]
 

Huge support from me!!!

Topoih
Posted - 2009.12.17 21:57:00 - [10]
 

/support

Naomi Wildfire
Amarr
Spricer
Raiden.
Posted - 2009.12.17 21:57:00 - [11]
 

and give us cookies as trade goods!

Thunder1971
Caldari
NailorTech Industries
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2009.12.17 21:57:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Thunder1971 on 19/12/2009 17:18:39
/ Support

TBH every 0.0 player should support this as we all benefit from lagfree fleet fights.

Enough is enough

Pwnership
Caldari
Creampie Surprise
Posted - 2009.12.17 21:58:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Braxton Mazimus
/supported... I will stop playing the game soon if this isnt fixed... its not worth me shelling out 15 bucks a month to play like I'm in empire... I'm in 0.0 for a reason...


^^ This

It is getting ridiculous CCP, seriously, just becuase you guys can't "verify" something on your end doesn't mean that it isn't happening on ours. Listen to your customers please, I lost 3 BS's in these fights so I know first hand that this truly is an issue.

-Pwn

StarBurm
Posted - 2009.12.17 21:59:00 - [14]
 

Support

StarCutter One
Posted - 2009.12.17 22:01:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: StarCutter One on 06/01/2010 20:47:43
Support

switchkiller
Posted - 2009.12.17 22:01:00 - [16]
 

SUPPORT

hakkiew365
Muffin Munchers
Muffy Inc.
Posted - 2009.12.17 22:01:00 - [17]
 

/support

Mantra Achura
Majesta Empire
Posted - 2009.12.17 22:04:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: Mantra Achura on 29/12/2009 17:21:14
/Support

Aesi Namore
The Penumbra Initiative
R.A.G.E
Posted - 2009.12.17 22:04:00 - [19]
 

/support

Daedalus Imperator
Northstar Cabal
R.A.G.E
Posted - 2009.12.17 22:06:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: Daedalus Imperator on 17/12/2009 22:07:24
/Support

This is a serious issue and as a paying customer am shocked if the service provider will not regonising this as a serious problem that they will need to look at or risk lossing their customers.

If this is not addressed, 0.0 is going to become invalid and I will be taking my money else where.

Bomrek
Invictus Australis
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2009.12.17 22:13:00 - [21]
 

/support

hagg
Posted - 2009.12.17 22:18:00 - [22]
 

/support

Thundirr
Mercurialis Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2009.12.17 22:21:00 - [23]
 

/ Support

Scoutsy
Posted - 2009.12.17 22:25:00 - [24]
 

/support

Corabor
Gallente
Metalworks
Majesta Empire
Posted - 2009.12.17 22:32:00 - [25]
 

Edited by: Corabor on 17/12/2009 22:33:19
/support

Jitad
Posted - 2009.12.17 22:33:00 - [26]
 

/support

Kar Stoertebecker
Posted - 2009.12.17 22:34:00 - [27]
 

Edited by: Kar Stoertebecker on 29/12/2009 13:05:10
/ support

Drillass
Posted - 2009.12.17 22:36:00 - [28]
 

Edited by: Drillass on 29/12/2009 13:08:14
/support it needs sorting

Blanks M
Posted - 2009.12.17 22:39:00 - [29]
 

support

Yoshiitsune
Posted - 2009.12.17 22:39:00 - [30]
 

support



Im about to leave the game with 3 toons so -support x3-


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