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MooKids
Caldari
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2009.12.17 18:10:00 - [1]
 

Iraq insurgents hack into US Drones

I knew it was only a matter of time before something like this happened. True that they didn't get control of the aircraft and only were able to see the drone's video feed, but it just goes to show you that it could be possible that one day they may be able to hack the drones themselves.

Lance Fighter
Amarr
Posted - 2009.12.17 18:16:00 - [2]
 

As mr univserse once said - you cant stop the signal.
The signal is broadcaasted from the drone, I can only assume omni-directionally.
Once the signal is being transmitted... its only a matter of collecting it. eventually, you can crack whatever they are using to encrypt it..

From what it sounds, they didnt even encrypt the outgoing video feed. Lol

Abrazzar
Posted - 2009.12.17 18:28:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Abrazzar on 17/12/2009 23:23:25
Proper encryption would solve this issue. Proper meaning that the decryption takes longer to crack than the interval it is changed. Hell, isn't that basic military tactic?

ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Underworld Protection Agency
South Pole Dancers
Posted - 2009.12.17 18:28:00 - [4]
 

That's very embarrassing. What moron made the decision to use an unencrypted video signal? It's military hardware, common sense says you encrypt data coming out of it.

Let's hope they learn from this.

Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
Posted - 2009.12.17 18:39:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Lance Fighter

From what it sounds, they didnt even encrypt the outgoing video feed. Lol



Aggreed. Wether or not it was encrypted, it is another shinning example of the US military underestimating their current targets.

/faceapalm


Slade

Lance Fighter
Amarr
Posted - 2009.12.17 18:59:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Slade Trillgon
Originally by: Lance Fighter

From what it sounds, they didnt even encrypt the outgoing video feed. Lol



Aggreed. Wether or not it was encrypted, it is another shinning example of the US military underestimating their current targets.

/faceapalm


Slade


An article from the associated press confirms that it is an omni-directional unencrypted signal.
I second that /facepalm.

Elukka
Posted - 2009.12.17 19:06:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Elukka on 17/12/2009 19:06:36
Originally by: Lance Fighter
Once the signal is being transmitted... its only a matter of collecting it. eventually, you can crack whatever they are using to encrypt it..

As far as I know, it's a fairly trivial matter to use encryption that is impossible to crack in any reasonable time frame. So yes, while you may brute force your way through the encryption by having computers crunch it for a century, it's not going to win you any wars.

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2009.12.17 19:11:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: ReaperOfSly
That's very embarrassing. What moron made the decision to use an unencrypted video signal? It's military hardware, common sense says you encrypt data coming out of it.

Let's hope they learn from this.


don't you get it? it's cheaper that way.

Rolling Eyes

Lance Fighter
Amarr
Posted - 2009.12.17 19:17:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Elukka
Edited by: Elukka on 17/12/2009 19:06:36
Originally by: Lance Fighter
Once the signal is being transmitted... its only a matter of collecting it. eventually, you can crack whatever they are using to encrypt it..

As far as I know, it's a fairly trivial matter to use encryption that is impossible to crack in any reasonable time frame. So yes, while you may brute force your way through the encryption by having computers crunch it for a century, it's not going to win you any wars.

Hence the facepalm in my above post :)

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2009.12.17 19:23:00 - [10]
 

Gear is made by the lowest agreeable bidder, and that guy does just the stuff you specify he should be doing (or, more likely, not even that much if he can get away with it).
I guess you get what you pay AND CHECK for - you didn't specifically ask for encryption nor check for security issues, you got no encryption and no security.
Twisted Evil

Nomakai Delateriel
Amarr
Ammatar Free Corps
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2009.12.17 19:32:00 - [11]
 

Wait? There are military applications these days that doesn't use encryption and frequency hopping?
Major failure (which I guess is a bit lower in rank than General Failure).
I know that engineers are usually more focused on "getting it to work" than to "prevent all applications than this very specific one", but this is basic.
Ok, so a frequency hopping and encrypted radio would probably add ten thousand dollars to the cost of the unit, but really.

Marko Riva
Posted - 2009.12.17 19:34:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Marko Riva on 17/12/2009 19:34:20
If the US military would be an alliance in EVE they'd probably be renters or hide in high sec it seems Laughing

genette devo
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
Posted - 2009.12.17 19:46:00 - [13]
 

one hopes it turns out to be a result of lazy people cutting corners and not an actual policy of not using encryption, not that that would surprise me, army has been going down hill for years

Asuka Smith
Gallente
Royal Black Watch Highlanders
Posted - 2009.12.17 20:09:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Lance Fighter
Originally by: Slade Trillgon
Originally by: Lance Fighter

From what it sounds, they didnt even encrypt the outgoing video feed. Lol



Aggreed. Wether or not it was encrypted, it is another shinning example of the US military underestimating their current targets.

/faceapalm


Slade


An article from the associated press confirms that it is an omni-directional unencrypted signal.
I second that /facepalm.


Stuff like this just shows you how much of this "war on terror" is fear mongering and war waging for appearances. If we were fighting China we would never take such stupid chances, but when it is a "fake" war manufactured by politicians to make us afraid of an enemy that they know/perceive is not really a threat they behave in a very sloppy manner.

I feel very badly for the civilians and soldiers who are dying to win elections.

Emma Royd
Caldari
Maddled Gommerils
Posted - 2009.12.17 21:36:00 - [15]
 

Guess I'll have to keep a closer eye on the Hammerhead II's I bring back to orbit my ship, would be mildly amusing though to see the screen flash up "Serpentis Hacker has taken control of your drones" and then you start getting shot at by them Laughing

Lt Forge
Pilots Of Honour
Aeternus.
Posted - 2009.12.17 23:02:00 - [16]
 

The Terminator series is a great (fictional) example

+.+

Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente
Sigma Special Tactics Group
Posted - 2009.12.17 23:10:00 - [17]
 

Shows you how stupid the military is.

The bands that the drones operate on is well known.

In America, we tend to use a lot of what is called "American Exceptionalism".

This used to be all about living up to standards for human rights and liberty. But now, it's all about thinking that anybody who is not American is automatically stupid.

Hence the reason why something like Drone video feeds not being encrypted. Why, those stupid backwards rag heads are too stupid to even know what a video feed is. We Americans are shmart. No need to encrypt the feed. Those people know know how to ride camels and shoot AK-47s that the Russians built.


Hubris is dangerous.

My solution: end these wars, bring all forces home.


Yeah I know. We killed the last president to try that (Kennedy).

I can dream.

Rolk Anderson
Posted - 2009.12.17 23:46:00 - [18]
 

Yet further proof that military intelligence is an oxymoron

Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
Posted - 2009.12.18 04:46:00 - [19]
 

Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 18/12/2009 04:49:37

I can not remember the position of the indivdual I will paraphrase from ABC nightly news, but I got a laugh.

[paraphrase]At the time, 10 plus years ago, we did not have a whole lot of money, so we built this system (the video transmission system) from what we had leftover on the shelves.[/paraphrase]

So you mean you have not had the funds to go back and rework it or at least change the programming so as an encryption program would work effectively?

You have to be kidding me? /redundant question


Slade

Marz Ghola
Minmatar
Royal Order of Security Specialists
Posted - 2009.12.18 07:57:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: Marz Ghola on 18/12/2009 08:00:48
Big deal, some equipment is fielded even in a prototype stage.

In 8 years active army, I have seen complete trash fielded. Then again during my deployments, I have worked with other nations armies and they complain of the same thing. Laughing

All armies of all nations have done it. History proves it.

The United States is not your punching bag on this one as much as you would like it to be. But every foot wrong we place the world knows...its fashionable like that.


Tallaran Kouros
Cryptonym Sleepers
Posted - 2009.12.18 10:05:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Marz Ghola

All armies of all nations have done it. History proves it.


Yes every country drops a clanger from time to time, but this is a whole new stage of fail.

Quote:
The United States is not your punching bag on this one as much as you would like it to be.



Oh, you are.

You knew that the drones were sending unencrypted video feeds since the NATO intervention in Bosnia.

Now I understand the Serbs were too busy engaging in acts of genocide to notice this or do anything about it, but to think that the Afghans and Iraqis would be too stupid to notice or wouldn't have the resources to exploit it?

Hello!?

They have had over 10 years to fix this!

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2009.12.18 11:03:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Marz Ghola
The United States is not your punching bag on this one as much as you would like it to be. But every foot wrong we place the world knows...its fashionable like that.



don't worry. it's not your army, but who leads it.

surely that your average army grunt might actually be a nice person to talk to, as a civilian, as it might be every american, but I can't say the same of your leadership.

Trathen
Minmatar
Posted - 2009.12.18 11:55:00 - [23]
 

Quote:
"There did appear to be a vulnerability," the defense official said. "There's been no harm done to troops or missions compromised as a result of it, but there's an issue that we can take care of and we're doing so."


Yeah, that sure is a massive, inexcusable, USA-sucks-ass-even-though-we're-helplessly-obssesed-with-it fail.

karma militia
Posted - 2009.12.19 06:17:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Emma Royd
Guess I'll have to keep a closer eye on the Hammerhead II's I bring back to orbit my ship, would be mildly amusing though to see the screen flash up "Serpentis Hacker has taken control of your drones" and then you start getting shot at by them Laughing


Am I the only person who thinks this would be a sweet addition to PVP? relatively easy to impliment and would add some much needed chaos.

Silver Tongues
Posted - 2009.12.19 08:43:00 - [25]
 

"Look ma! I'm on TV!" *BOOM*

goodby4u
Valor Inc.
Valor Empire
Posted - 2009.12.19 10:44:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: ReaperOfSly
That's very embarrassing. What moron made the decision to use an unencrypted video signal? It's military hardware, common sense says you encrypt data coming out of it.

Let's hope they learn from this.
Old men who probably don't own computers no doubt. Laughing

Thankfully the drone wasn't taken complete control of and given the order to fire upon civilians or our own servicemen, hopefully we will learn from this mistake and put some decent encryption on these things.

Irida Mershkov
Gallente
The Reformed
Chaos Theory Alliance
Posted - 2009.12.19 11:45:00 - [27]
 

Edited by: Irida Mershkov on 19/12/2009 11:47:54
Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

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Originally by: Tallaran Kouros
Originally by: Marz Ghola

All armies of all nations have done it. History proves it.


Yes every country drops a clanger from time to time, but this is a whole new stage of fail.

Quote:
The United States is not your punching bag on this one as much as you would like it to be.

Serbs were too busy engaging in acts of genocide

No they were busy shooting down F-117s to bother.

Jessica Lorelei
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2009.12.19 16:40:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: ReaperOfSly
That's very embarrassing. What moron made the decision to use an unencrypted video signal? It's military hardware, common sense says you encrypt data coming out of it.

Let's hope they learn from this.


probably the same moron that makes American targeting systems target friendlies.

nahtoh
Caldari
Brotherhood of The Saltire
EVE Animal Control
Posted - 2009.12.19 17:44:00 - [29]
 

Actually this just made me laugh think of it.

1. This is a video of you leaving a building seconds before the first hellfire misile hits and you trying to drive away.

Quickly followed by video number 2. Your vehicle discovering the drone carries more than one missile.

Its highly time senstive video, but its not the control signal.

nahtoh
Caldari
Brotherhood of The Saltire
EVE Animal Control
Posted - 2009.12.19 17:57:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Jessica Lorelei
Originally by: ReaperOfSly
That's very embarrassing. What moron made the decision to use an unencrypted video signal? It's military hardware, common sense says you encrypt data coming out of it.

Let's hope they learn from this.


probably the same moron that makes American targeting systems target friendlies.


Just about every armed force in the world has blue on blue. Its not just something that happens to the Yanks.


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