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Defensores Fidei
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2009.12.15 22:57:00 - [31]

Cynoslaver, I suggest you cool off somewhere. I think you are a bit too hostile and insulting for a normal debate about this subject.

*clicks report button*

Andreus LeHane
Mixed Metaphor
Posted - 2009.12.15 23:27:00 - [32]

Merdaneth saves the day! Very Happy

Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2009.12.15 23:33:00 - [33]

This thread makes me want to afk/cloak/sleepgrief the op.

AFK Cloaker
Imperial Academy
Posted - 2009.12.16 00:11:00 - [34]

Posted - 2009.12.16 00:18:00 - [35]

Edited by: Aphoticus on 16/12/2009 00:19:33
There are two perspectives here, a real-world and a role-world perspective.

The fact is, that the player of the cloaked ship, although afk, is entertaining a role in a universe where, if you really wanted to play the game for the game's sake, would not be perceived as afk, but an ongoing threat. Do pod-pilots sleep?

Your arguments are based on game mechanics and you want people to argue a point with justification that meets your approval?

Some people play this game, and perhaps a lot of them, to have an experience, a role-world perspective, immersed, and to escape that real-world concept you keep expressing.

Game mechanic wise, the arguments can go for or against it. As far as it being reasonable, from a role-world perspective, the argument is simple; technology has not advanced far enough for there to be a detection system.

In a real-world concept, humanity is often inventing things that have no means to deal with the effects until such time as it becomes a danger to humanity. Even then, depending on economics, may not see the light of day. This is no different.

If you want to change the game mechanics, I would suggest putting that anger and frustration into learning something about what it takes to code these kinds of things, and offer CCP an alternative beyond your preconceived notions of what a good argument is. Features and Ideas comes to mind.

If you are just venting, you just did the same thing everyone else did in this thread; amounting to nothing at all. The other 50k+ of us will keep on playing; perhaps never having read this.

Good luck.

Lord Xanthoh
Posted - 2009.12.16 01:26:00 - [36]

Originally by: Cynoslaver
Do you idiots even play this game?

anchor some cans so he can bump into theM?

smart bomb some planets?

what kind of morons are you? You must run into some REALLY stupid griefers for this to work. Even if you could POSSIBLY find their safe spot, which is rpobably the dumbest comment i've EVER seen posted anywhere on this form...ever...and I mean ever.

space is big idiots...that's why they call it space

Hahahahahhahaaa! You must either be a troll or the most pathetic Eve character yet.
Man/woman, stop talking, bend over to your PC case and switch the Off button. Believe me if I say that you will feel much better this way.

You are so lazy in seaking the knowledge to play this game properly that you will soon start a thread asking why the heck your ship flies through planets or why projectiles have a range limit in SPACE...

You can either continue entertaining us wirh your pityful nonsense or mute yourseld until the end of Eve times. What a sad sissi whining about harmless afk cloakers.
LOL Laughing

Posted - 2009.12.16 03:04:00 - [37]

Cynoslaver, Member of Perkone for 10 days. Former member of Nailortech Industries in RAZOR Alliance (that explains a lot.) Oh, and that corporation? Former member of Elysium and Ethereal Dawn and Ka-Tet and Veritas Immortalis.

Basically one laughable alliance after another.

Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2009.12.16 03:32:00 - [38]

FYI you can't cloak 24/7. Downtime decloaks you.

Posted - 2009.12.16 04:10:00 - [39]

The sleazebag is currently at Bairshir IV - Moon 11 - Thukker Mix Factory station in the Bairshir system, Sazdih constellation of Derelik region.

I wasnt going to do that... but well then you just had to get more and more abusive.

Al Choholic
Posted - 2009.12.16 06:10:00 - [40]

Wow OP is a lil butt hurt. Did some big bad cloaker pop ur pretty ship?

I think you can talk to Dr. Phil about it i'm sure he'd make ur butt feel better Razz

Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics
Posted - 2009.12.16 07:17:00 - [41]

I like the part where nobody has insulted the OP in the entire thread and yet he keeps spamming about how "all you AFK cloakers do is flame and insult people on the forum", meanwhile posting all manner of misspelled insults himself.

Mur Mis
Posted - 2009.12.16 10:12:00 - [42]

you forgot the rule:

Better 1 afk cloaker in the system, Then 10 bs on the station:)

Posted - 2009.12.16 11:22:00 - [43]

LOL well I for one LOVE being a cloaker from hell, lol

I love a cloaky Ishtar for ratting, plexing!

I love that fact that im in a system by myself and the system is mine..

Nasties drop into local, warp to a safe and cloak, Nasties try to find you give up move on, back to ratting.

The point of a cloak is NOT everyone wants to PvP, and if I dident have a cloak ide either have to stay in a system with friendies for safty in numbers, and IMO that doesent work and the ratting most often sucks, or if im in a system by myself ide have to start moving arround contantly to avoid probing, I like cloakes and hope they stay the way they are!!

I get the feeling most of you are ****ed at the cloaker camper that sitting in YOUR loacl looking for an easy kill, Well again they are camping you , but they arnt doing anything but sitting there and thats bound to get boaring sooner or latter, best option is to go find your own quite system.

Haramir Haleths
Nutella Bande
Posted - 2009.12.16 11:22:00 - [44]

Edited by: Haramir Haleths on 16/12/2009 11:35:50
This will be investigated


(some minutes later)
Ok investigation finished ....
This explain everything. Maybe OP is not good at this game Embarassed

Yarton Killmore
Posted - 2009.12.16 11:34:00 - [45]

Working as intended... AFK Cloaker has annoyed you so much you have run to the forums crying as you go :p


(p.s. love afk cloaking in a system with wt's)

Davina Braben
Posted - 2009.12.16 14:00:00 - [46]

I quite agree. Nerf local.

Unfamed II
NPC Corporation
Paisti Syndicate
Posted - 2009.12.16 14:07:00 - [47]

If they are AFK, how they can do anything to you?
+1 to remove local

Posted - 2009.12.16 14:38:00 - [48]

First things first. Cynoslaver, there is absolutely no need for the insults you are throwing around. You really need to calm down and take a chill pill.

As a Cov-Ops pilot I feel I am more than qualified to respond to this. I will break it down into bullet statements to make it easy to understand.

1. No one can afk cloak for 4 days. The daily downtime prevents that.
2. Cloaks are not perfect. There are times when cloaks will turn off for absolutely no reason. Does it happen often? No, but it does happen.
3. Just because someone is sitting cloaked in the system you are in does not mean he/she is an afk cloaker. I, myself have sat cloaked in a system in excess of 20 hours gathering intel, setting up safe spots and finding the safe spots of others.
4. AFK cloaking is not griefing. Griefing is a term that means action against another player that makes the target feel like being targeted on purpose or for the sake of harassment only. Afk cloaking does not meet that definition.
5. Your argument that afk cloaking is not a valid tactical or strategic tactic is invalid. The simple fact that you are so upset over it proves that it is working. The objective is to make you change and alter how you do business. If by sitting in a system cloaked all day makes fewer people go out and mine minerals, run missions, go ratting etc. then I have succeeded in my mission.

There are tactics to discover cloaked ships. What works for one person may not work for you. Experiment a bit and discover a method that works for you. Remember that there are things that are given up in order to be cloaked. For instance:

1. Cov-Ops ships have to de-cloak in order to scan, dock or jump out of system. As long as they are cloaked, they can do nothing except watch.
2. Stealth Bombers and Cov-Ops frigs are paper thin. Catch one uncloaked and it will go down quickly......very quickly. This is also the case with recon ships as well (just not to the same degree). If you tank one good then it is unable to do it's recon job.
3. Black Ops ships cannot warp while cloaked. They are unable to fit the "good" cloak.

Do some research and calm down. CCP has better things to do with their time like un-nerfing missiles.

Marko Riva
Posted - 2009.12.16 14:45:00 - [49]

OP is correct (although the name calling is unneeded), replyers are doing their utter best to shout read hard hoping the OP will go away and CCP won't awake and take a look at the problem.

There's been many threads on it and while most of my characters can fly cloakers and I've used the scouting/afk cloaking system a lot it's just too good a tool to annoy others with. We all know it, OP knows it, replyers know it it's just CCP that needs to get it's ass in gear.

Ohhh Matron
Posted - 2009.12.16 14:55:00 - [50]

I think this is a perfectly valid warfare tactic.

It causes (obvious from the posts) psychological issues for the enemy and makes them very wary. It also provides strategic and tactical info.

This is exactly the same tactic used by the German Navy in WW2. At times there were only a couple of U-boats in the whole of the Atlantic but it made the allies very nervous and act like there were maybe dozens of them.

They knew they were out there but didnt know where or how many till much later in the war.

I endorse it.

Madame Bloviator
Posted - 2009.12.16 15:17:00 - [51]

know what i love? tough guys who tell everyone carebears suck and only real men can live in 0.0, but then whine about cloaked ships. its a cloaked ship. what u are so worked up about? think about it, if pilot is afk, he cant do anything.

Fat Uncle
Posted - 2009.12.16 15:51:00 - [52]

Is this the new 'Whining and Tactics' forum?

<fire short burst of the random smiley generator>

Johnny Kettle
Posted - 2009.12.16 15:57:00 - [53]

Hmmm... this initially looked like it could be real, but your troll-fu just wasn't up to scratch and you tried too hard. Next time actually spell & punctuate properly, it's a break from obvious troll tradition and may get more people to believe you.

B- Could do better.

..or of course this could be real. In which case there is some advice:

AFK cloaking works very well, and is a wonderful SAD (Strategic Area Denial) tactic, but that doesn't mean it's a bug or a problem or whatever. Snipe HAC gangs seem to be a good tactic too, but you don't see forum threads whining about them (much...).You will only ever get killed by a cloaky-lurker if you foolishly drop the vital EVE state of mind - Rampant Paranoia.

Find out what sort of ship they're in and plan for it, watch your scanner and don't be stupid and you'll be fine.

Santiago Fahahrri
Galactic Geographic
Posted - 2009.12.16 16:41:00 - [54]

Originally by: Marko Riva
OP is correct (although the name calling is unneeded), replyers are doing their utter best to shout read hard hoping the OP will go away and CCP won't awake and take a look at the problem.

There's been many threads on it and while most of my characters can fly cloakers and I've used the scouting/afk cloaking system a lot it's just too good a tool to annoy others with. We all know it, OP knows it, replyers know it it's just CCP that needs to get it's ass in gear and fix Local so this tactic doesn't work.


Seriously Bored
Posted - 2009.12.16 17:08:00 - [55]

Originally by: AFK Cloaker

BAH! You're in this thread and I can't do anything about it! Laughing

Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2009.12.16 17:16:00 - [56]

one time, while i was sleeping, i think i griefed my pillow.. Embarassed

Defensores Fidei
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2009.12.16 17:39:00 - [57]

I've heard wormhole space is even worse.

There are just as much afk cloakers there (if not more) as in 0.0, but in wormhole space you are completely defenseless against them, since in 0.0 you can at least identify the threat (amount of afk cloakers, character ages, standings) and move to a system without an afk cloaker.

Wormhole space is horrible, AFK cloakers are completely invisible and invulnerable there! You might have twenty 60million skill points AFK cloakers only a few AU away when you are ratting in wormhole space and you can't do anything about them!

Absolom Hues
Percussive Diplomacy
Posted - 2009.12.16 18:43:00 - [58]

Originally by: AFK Cloaker

This was the funiest reply to the whole thread!!! Laughing

robert surtees
Posted - 2009.12.16 19:33:00 - [59]

And what about cloaked ships just sitting 200km away from a gate monitoring traffic (not afk)? Are these to be considered unfair/greifing/(insert emo-rage term here)? And if not, how do CCP tell the difference? Next time, before you have a tantrum about a game-mechanic that doesn't suit you, and demand it be changed, try having a think about how those changes will affect someone other than yourself, if you're old enough to have developed that ability (doubtful).

Or, on the other hand you may just be a troll, in which case this thread has gone quite well for you. 'Gratz.

Blue Dragon
Posted - 2009.12.16 19:54:00 - [60]

Anyone who says that they're 'completely defenseless' from stealth bombers need to understand a few things:

1> The meaning of 'acceptable risk'. The fact your in low sec or null-sec space already says you made the decision to risk what you have against any future gains. In layman's terms, "You get what you asked for."

2> There are tactics against a stealth bomber, for one having interceptors do high speed, long range orbits around your fleet. You can also try blocking the gates to keep them from coming in at all. Throw cans and other garbage out there to force them to decloak, espicially along the points of entry in a field, where you arrive after warping in from a planet or station. Try /something/. Nothing is perfect, as catching a stealth bomber on the approach is more luck then anything else, just like a number of other things in the game. BUT, you can do things to increase your chances.

3> Try running some actual combat drills. A friendly bomber pilot goes for your ships, you try to stop him. First one with a lock wins. If your REALLY masochistic then run it as a live fire drill. Do that a few times and maybe you'll get a clue or two.

4> But above all, Use your head, and be real about it. Those AFK bombers.. what have they actually done? What's your evidence? If all he did was scare you a little by being there, then maybe you need to double check your responses before assuming the problem is with the game. It's posible they're not even there for you at all, but are after someone/something else. Rats perhasps? And it's possible they're not even in a bomber, but a helios or other covert ship. Work off of what you DO know, not what you don't. Otherwise your jumping at shadows.

5> Keep it polite but talk to them. Maybe they'll respond with what their intentions are. Telling them to **** off is a sure fire way of drawing attention to yourself. *I* personally have no problems putting a thermal bomb up some jerk's butt, or a lock breaker if I just wanted to make a point. But if I'm treated with respect, I will almost always leave them alone.

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