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Thgil Goldcore
Amarr
Robonia
Posted - 2009.12.15 10:21:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Thgil Goldcore on 01/01/2010 06:29:59
Just to stem the peoples re-answering this question a million times since some peoples dislike reading the entire thread. I have gotten my answer, ships indeed have crew. I'm currently halfway though the book and chronicles now and feel a bit silly for asking a question answered alot in lore, but hey, like I said, I was a noob who was just getting my barrings on eve lore.

So to recap,

Ships have crew ranging from tens to thousands, pending on the size of the ship.
Very rare occasions small ships may be able to be controlled by a podder only (shuttles, and some select frigs)
A ship controlled by drones = KOS by COMCORD. AKA rogue drones.
Last but not least, Minmitar slaves are fun to subjugate and vent out airlocks.


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Im a eve noob who loves lore and can really get into that kinda stuff. I love being able to picture my ship and how it works vividly, although one thing is kinda stopping me from getting a good mental image...

Are our ships manned by anyone but us? Our ships seem to be entirely run from our brain, but it seems weird to think that our ships are completely void of life aside from our little pod. From all the lore that I have come across it would point to no, the only crew is us... but...

what about carriers which have fighters which are manned. Surely those pilots need a place to stay, eat, sleep, etc.

Anyone know whether our ships have people in them, or is it just that lonely in space?)

Ciarente
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
Posted - 2009.12.15 11:11:00 - [2]
 

Yes, see the chronicle "Hands of a Killer"

Alexeph Stoekai
Stoekai Corp
Posted - 2009.12.15 14:33:00 - [3]
 

Yes. All ships have crews.

Frigates can technically fly with only the capsuleer, but everything above that has crew. Cruisers have crews numbering in the hundreds. Battleships and above have several thousand crewmen.

CCP Ginger

Posted - 2009.12.15 16:28:00 - [4]
 

Should totally create a ships have crew sticky.

Koronakesh
Amarr
Seekers of a Silent Paradise
Posted - 2009.12.15 17:59:00 - [5]
 

Supporting that idea, Ginger.

Thgil Goldcore
Amarr
Robonia
Posted - 2009.12.15 18:01:00 - [6]
 

Good to know, thanks for the blue as well.

Although I feel dumb for not finding that chronicle earlier, but there are a lot of em and it surely takes a long long time to dig though them all!

I take it from the reaction that this is a very commonly asked question.

Elaron
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2009.12.15 19:59:00 - [7]
 

Commonly asked, and has even provoked arguments.

As for the large number of Chrons to dig through, well, I think it's far better to have lots than just a few!

Von Stickypants
Posted - 2009.12.15 21:14:00 - [8]
 

Prosopagnosia is another one

Math'ra Hiede
Amarr
Trinity's Vanguard
Posted - 2009.12.17 09:35:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: CCP Ginger
Should totally create a ships have crew sticky.


Definately Laughing

Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari
Guiding Hand Social Club
Posted - 2009.12.17 12:00:00 - [10]
 

Not just a "ships have crews" sticky.

We need a "ships have crews, thousands of them, and every time you blow up they are sent to a screaming searing hell, and can't be replaced by robots or drones" sticky. Make sure to mention that their families really really miss them.

Deviana Sevidon
Gallente
Panta-Rhei
Butterfly Effect Alliance
Posted - 2009.12.17 13:57:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Not just a "ships have crews" sticky.

We need a "ships have crews, thousands of them, and every time you blow up they are sent to a screaming searing hell, and can't be replaced by robots or drones" sticky. Make sure to mention that their families really really miss them.


*raises hand*

What about escape pods?

trenny jr
The Python Cartel.
The Defenders of Pen Island
Posted - 2009.12.17 15:45:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Deviana Sevidon
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Not just a "ships have crews" sticky.

We need a "ships have crews, thousands of them, and every time you blow up they are sent to a screaming searing hell, and can't be replaced by robots or drones" sticky. Make sure to mention that their families really really miss them.


*raises hand*

What about escape pods?


thats what smart bombs are for

Malcheus
Posted - 2009.12.18 11:26:00 - [13]
 

so why do we find frozen corpses when pods blow up, but not when ships with 1000+ crewmembers blow up? Laughing

Mithfindel
Zenko Incorporated
Posted - 2009.12.18 20:29:00 - [14]
 

Practical reason is lag. If you want to RP it, it's worth to remember that some frigate weapons are practically tactical nukes. Death by sublimation if the crewmember, by luck, didn't get inside something (a bulkhead or a module) that was left intact for the victor to salvage. Any crew escape pods hinted by one of the chronicles would be "below the radar" for the capsuleers, as there will be enough crewmembers available even if someone would start a "war of attrition" by killing any survivors left. Though it can still be assumed that the most crewmembers die in most realistic combat situations - in a slow death of a ship where it's tank holds but just by just isn't enough the crew might have time to evacuate, but when a kilometer-long ship is reduced to scrap by a few volleys, you won't find many survivors besides of the capsuleer, who is protected by magic (Jove technology).

AlleyKat
Gallente
The Unwanted.
Posted - 2009.12.20 02:54:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Malcheus
so why do we find frozen corpses when pods blow up, but not when ships with 1000+ crewmembers blow up? Laughing


...Because the destruction of a ship involves a typically intense volley of either thermal, kinetic, electro-magnetic or explosive energy, followed by the actual ship exploding/imploding with a great release of energy.

The other reason is...CCP like corpses.

Erayo
Posted - 2009.12.20 20:14:00 - [16]
 

So does this mean every time i get my ship destroyed, thousands of crew-people die? Kinda harsh when i get to escape in my pod safely and even have cloning should things go bad.

Koronakesh
Amarr
Seekers of a Silent Paradise
Posted - 2009.12.20 23:49:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Erayo
So does this mean every time i get my ship destroyed, thousands of crew-people die? Kinda harsh when i get to escape in my pod safely and even have cloning should things go bad.


Welcome to EVE™.

Davin Forsosa
Caldari
Posted - 2009.12.21 13:51:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Erayo
So does this mean every time i get my ship destroyed, thousands of crew-people die? Kinda harsh when i get to escape in my pod safely and even have cloning should things go bad.


It is very harsh. It's something that EVE touches on constantly.

Xina Tutor
Amarr
Black Arrows
Sev3rance
Posted - 2009.12.22 11:24:00 - [19]
 

Edited by: Xina Tutor on 22/12/2009 11:24:10
We replaced all our crews with droids, bots and nanites... they are more reliable anyway.

Evanda Char
Minmatar
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
Electus Matari
Posted - 2009.12.22 13:58:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Xina Tutor
Edited by: Xina Tutor on 22/12/2009 11:24:10
We replaced all our crews with droids, bots and nanites... they are more reliable anyway.



Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Not just a "ships have crews" sticky.

We need a "ships have crews, thousands of them, and every time you blow up they are sent to a screaming searing hell, and can't be replaced by robots or drones" sticky. Make sure to mention that their families really really miss them.


Bear in mind, the Code Aria PF reveals that CONCORD has a strict prohibition on the research and development of anything beyond the most rudimentary AIs. That means droids, bots and nanites make a very poor crew.

If PF says you have a human crew, and it does, then you have a human crew. Otherwise it all turns into a childhood game of fingerguns. "Shot your ship! All your crew are dead!" "No you didn't!" "Did too!"

Xina Tutor
Amarr
Black Arrows
Sev3rance
Posted - 2009.12.22 18:20:00 - [21]
 


Luckily it doesn't take great AI. And of course we already make great use of various nanite and droid technology, in armor repair, mining drones, drones in general. I fear many pilots are living in the past in this area, and in any case the ships are well built enough, and short lived enough, that a human crew has really become unnecessary. Major repairs are done is station, of course, with this system, but we can get away with some minor repairs in space... thanks to the nanites.

Faraelle Brightman
Gallente
Eleutherian Guard
Posted - 2009.12.22 19:38:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: Faraelle Brightman on 22/12/2009 19:42:52
Eva -

I've heard "Code Aria" tossed in before but I don't think I've ever actually seen anything from it. Got a linkable resource?

For what it's worth, PF also states that part of the reason the Gallente Navy was so ill prepared for war was that they had become over-reliant on drone automation standing in for being short-crewed.

Deviana Sevidon
Gallente
Panta-Rhei
Butterfly Effect Alliance
Posted - 2009.12.22 19:51:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Faraelle Brightman
Edited by: Faraelle Brightman on 22/12/2009 19:42:52
Eva -

I've heard "Code Aria" tossed in before but I don't think I've ever actually seen anything from it. Got a linkable resource?

For what it's worth, PF also states that part of the reason the Gallente Navy was so ill prepared for war was that they had become over-reliant on drone automation standing in for being short-crewed.


Right now there is only the Evelopedia Link with general info: Linkage
Unfortunaly the link inside the article is not working anymore.

Faraelle Brightman
Gallente
Eleutherian Guard
Posted - 2009.12.22 19:59:00 - [24]
 

Edited by: Faraelle Brightman on 22/12/2009 20:04:41
Ah, drone regions. Now I remember.

Still, it's true you don't even need strong AI for automation. Even RL computers today can calculate a firing solution (or anything that can be boiled down to lots of math in a very short time) better than a human can. In 50 years we'll easily have the bugs worked out of visual and audio input. All that matters is you keep the AI down below the level where you have true intelligence.

Deviana Sevidon
Gallente
Panta-Rhei
Butterfly Effect Alliance
Posted - 2009.12.22 23:16:00 - [25]
 

Edited by: Deviana Sevidon on 22/12/2009 23:17:21
Originally by: Faraelle Brightman
Edited by: Faraelle Brightman on 22/12/2009 20:04:41
Ah, drone regions. Now I remember.

Still, it's true you don't even need strong AI for automation. Even RL computers today can calculate a firing solution (or anything that can be boiled down to lots of math in a very short time) better than a human can. In 50 years we'll easily have the bugs worked out of visual and audio input. All that matters is you keep the AI down below the level where you have true intelligence.


But then we get to the problem of rogue drones. In EVE there does not seem to be something like a true AI. The AIs mentioned in the short stories are closer to what virtual intelligences in mass effect ,specialised systems connected with a huge database but not capable of independant decisions. The experimentation with true AI accidentially created the rogue drones. The only exception are maybe the Sleeper Drones.

Also in a ship as large and complex as a Ship a million things might break and that is the moment where a crew is needed, to make all the small fixes. Not even a capsuleer can permanently oversee all systems of a ship.

Xina Tutor
Amarr
Black Arrows
Sev3rance
Posted - 2009.12.23 05:13:00 - [26]
 


heh.. you think the rogue drone ships have crews? nope.. nanites.

Anyway... these are well made ships and they only have to hold togehter a few weeks.. or days if i fly them. the nanites fix the little things.. and I have a nice put crew back at the station....

The crews are a holdover myth from millenia ago... seriously.. have any of you ever seen your crew.. hmmm.

Deviana Sevidon
Gallente
Panta-Rhei
Butterfly Effect Alliance
Posted - 2009.12.23 08:57:00 - [27]
 

Obviously Rogue Drones have no human crews, but they have indeed smaller drones aboard. What happens when scientists capture and experiment with such a drone was mentioned in the chronicle postnatal.

I just wanted to say that the drones aboard of capsuleer ships are not advanced enough to work without human input and even a capsuleer cannot control every detail. More advanced drones and AI are not build out of fear to create a new rogue drone problem.

Thgil Goldcore
Amarr
Robonia
Posted - 2009.12.23 09:06:00 - [28]
 

This naturally leads me to more questions. Such as, are actions (like turning, activating modules, etc) done directly from the brain of the cap pilot, or rather are they orders to be followed by the crew... questions questions.

Interestingly enough this leads me to wonder if its possible for the crew to mutiny and gain control over the ship. Would it even be possible? Could make for some really good fiction for sure... For some reason I keep getting images of system shock in my head whereas the evil AI is the pod pilot trying to kill the disobedient crew.

Deviana Sevidon
Gallente
Panta-Rhei
Butterfly Effect Alliance
Posted - 2009.12.23 09:14:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Thgil Goldcore
This naturally leads me to more questions. Such as, are actions (like turning, activating modules, etc) done directly from the brain of the cap pilot, or rather are they orders to be followed by the crew... questions questions.

Interestingly enough this leads me to wonder if its possible for the crew to mutiny and gain control over the ship. Would it even be possible? Could make for some really good fiction for sure... For some reason I keep getting images of system shock in my head whereas the evil AI is the pod pilot trying to kill the disobedient crew.


Awesome idea, please start immediatly on the story. Oh and evil should win of course. Twisted Evil

Xina Tutor
Amarr
Black Arrows
Sev3rance
Posted - 2009.12.23 09:33:00 - [30]
 


Well.. you may have a human crew if you wish, haowever i am yet to see such a ship and certainly never see such crew floating in sapce.

My activities in system defence are far to risky, and I have no wish to endanger any but myself in such an ordeal. And so I fly without human crew. It the ship should fail because of this, then I can also live, or rather die, with that as well.


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